The "Hatred" trailer is the subject of double-standard views that are bringing down an otherwise good-looking game.
No, it doesn't look good and it isn't the target of double standards. There is a massive difference between killing bad guys or other players in games, and massacring innocent civilians in games. Story quality? - WTF? Like this website? - No
Maybe you should read the article first.
I did read it. It just wasn't very good.
I read your article too and it didn't provide a convincing argument at all. The premise is rather simple. This game is glorifying and promoting the killing of innocent people. That's it. That's what this game is about. Slaughtering innocents. The art style, the narrative, the way your 'protagonist' looks, the way he kills civilians; its not clever game design nor should the game be praised as anything more than just a mindless game desperate for attention. And for you to somehow draw parallels with GTA, Gears of War and even Shadow of Mordor means that you're completely missing the point. Your paragraph on 'morality' was also incredibly weak. Drawing parallels to those imposing the death penalty? Attributing 'value to life'? What are you on about mate? What about the value of the scores of innocents you murder in a glorified way in Hatred versus the killer you control? The premise is rather simple. You kill innocents. You want us to relate to the backstory of a broken psychopath who just hates the world and always wanted to die violently? Right. There are no double standards here. Its just that people recognise the importance of context, whether you like it or not. You seem to have only now stumbled across the nature of the world and how we attribute value to life so as you struggle to reconcile these concepts, others will call out the game for what it really is. Unnecessary, pointless and just wrong.
Totally agree with Septic, there's a fine line between contextualized killing of your "enemies" because of an ideological conflict that gives you no other option other than pulling the trigger, or legitimate killing in order to survive in a totally hostile environment, or justifiable display of violence in a video game where the rules of a civilized society no longer apply (just like The Last of Us) and killing people who have absolutely nothing against you. You could argue that you can kill innocent bystanders in open-world video games like GTA. However, that's NEVER your main objective nor it is encouraged in any way. Just because the game gives you total freedom doesn't mean that you are originally targeted by developers to do so, unlike this game. The display of violence here does not set a new standart when compared to the games like Manhunt or TLOU, but its premise does. That's the reason trailer caused some eyebrows to raise, and I would totally agree. The game serves no purpose whatsoever other than creating an unwanted media buzz, and making gamers look like desperate outcasts who play video games in their evil fantasy worlds to satisfy their most primitive urges. I wouldn't want to be categorized like that, and I surely wouldn't support any game that people could use as a leverage to do so.
Guys, how about this: This game isnt something for you! Maybe its not your cup of tea. Maybe its a story you cant relate in anyway. Will the game be fun? I actually like these types of games. Im not the character I play, Im just the one controlling the shooting. The story unfolds whether or not I take part in it. Ive saved the universe countless of times, Im a good guy, right? Well, I never even walked an old lady cross the street. Game actions dont define my behaviour. This game is a form of expression from its team. Wether I like it or not, its not my right to judge the people who like it. In games, we often "kill innocents" NPC (key word here NPC), its just pixels. I love a good story in videogames. Im kinda wondering whats the story of this character. What if there is a twist in all this? Sure, he wants to just kill and die in a glorified twisted sick way, but what if this as some kind of plot twist during the campaing? What if the towns folks are some kind of twisted people that sacríficed this guys wife and daughter for a greater purpose. I dont know... Just guessing. Im more concerned about the fact that this games as no objective than to kill people. Whats the player motivation to progress through the story?
There is no such thing as innocent civilians in games, no code or AI is innocent. AI' are heresy, and heresy must be purged. Emperor protects.
i can see you are being a hypocrite. i can no longer see the difference between the feminazi who complain about female discimination in games. in the end its an game where you kill bunch of polygons. just change the models and you are killing the police. change it more and you are killing nazi and bad guys
So your poibt is context means nothing because it's all imaginary? So there's no difference between actions and characters in any work of fiction? Or just games? Makes no sense.
So your point is that instead of permitting all art you get to take a moral stance based on personal beliefs and that determines permissible art? Where I have I seen that disasterous idea in history???
It's not all the same. Maybe in another decade this could have been "ok", but in a society where mass murderss of civilians and children are borderline epidemic, this game should not exist. They've taken a concept that is very real and disgusting to society, and exploiting it for profit. There's nothing funny about school or mall shootings. Everyone agreeing with this game, have you forgotten about the slayings of innocent kindergarters? because that's who this protagonist is, and that is the character these monsters are glorifying. This world is sick enough, let's not give more ideas and encouragement to people who might be "on the edge" of doing something like this in person. I don't expect to change any minds, but I hope to keep people opposing this game encouraged to stand against it. I don't expect selfish teenagers to grasp how disgusting this game is, or expect them to sympathize with the parents of children who have been murdered by the very concept of this game.
What is wrong with people these days!? Why does every single thing we do have to be emotionally significant. Why does it have to glorify or promote anything! It's a game. I don't understand where this stupidity has come from that for some reason you have to treat this specific media as real life but only in certain circumstances. It's as if we don't educate people to understand the difference between what's real or imaginary yet no one seems to bat an eye if it's in a book & if its in a film it's questioned but allowed without too much fuss. People for god-sakes, it's a GAME, it's exactly just that, A GAME!! It's not secretly asking you to do anything. You're like the people from the 60/70's who tried to tell people if you played rock music backwards the devil would instruct you to kill people. That's exactly how stupid you sound!
Your argument that people have no emotional investment in games is a bad one. Moral decisions, character customization, dialogue responses? From Mass Effect to Madden, people are emotionally invested in the characters that they create or play as.... In my humble opinion.
Yep! Oh, and Septic? THANK YOU. You saved me quite a bit of typing. That was beyond well said.
Best Indie game ever, if it is a indie
This game does indeed look very good. UE4 being put to good use. The lighting and animations are really great. The hate this game is receiving is unnecessary and only serving to boost its visibility. Let's remember that we're talking about entertainment. What about snuff films like saw passing as horror? How about killing innocents in infamous to get evil points. That's giving incentive to kill civilians. We all need to recognize this studio's right to release their art, even if it is based on hate ans murder. And really. Since when are gamers in favor of censorship?
My memory is a little hazy..can't you shoot up innocent bystanders on the streets in GTA?
But GTA's main goal isn't only about shooting people who can't shoot back.
You can still play for several hours just mindlessly killing people; you can even kill the cops. It’s the same principle. These people arguing against the game are hypocrites.
It's not the same principle GTA allows player choice. You can go through the games only harming whatever enemy gangs or shooters are thrown at you. Spending hours mindlessly killing civilians for pleasure speaks to more about yourself than the game. Hatred is about explicitly killing random non threatening AI made to look like scared innocent people. That's the goal of the game. Please explain how both are the same in principle Nike
@HeavenlySnipes Yes, in GTA it is a choice to kill innocents or not, it is also a choice to buy the game or not. Same with Hatred, this is obviously an Adult game and so is created to appease some sort of violent tendency we all have but usually get rid of in games like BF4 or COD. If you think about it, people have been killing innocent gamers across the internet for decades and nobodies really cared. Why when it involves some made up characters in an ultra violent adult game does it all of a sudden become an issue?
you also get penalize in gta by cops chasing you for your (crime) and its not the main plot to kill innocent either and gta isn't based on recent events of suicidal mass murder. i bet you would also be ok with a game about crashing a plane into a building coming up with the same weak excuses to back it up.
Thats not punishment; its the goal. I want the cops to come, they're always the real target. Kill the frat brothers.
Even if true, does that make it right?
I don't get it. Why is this game having so much attention? The more I think about it the less I understand. For god's sake it's just a stupid video game. Mindless killing in a video game it's nothing new. If this game is just mindless, killing, then I wont buy it, it's not for me. But if it actually has a deep story that might deal with themes such as depression or an undertone of how our society can lead a person to go on a murderous rampage, then I think I might give this game a chance. So much debate and argument over a game that 99% of the people here won't even buy and will forget as soon as someone writes a article saying that their.console of choice is the best one.
Because weal minded individuals have trouble killing virtual NPCs in a videogame without an excuse.
Hey if this types of games, where the objective is just shoot some NPC and then you die, then shoot some more then you die shoot some more then die, it's your thing, then by all means buy it and enjoy it. I personally find it boring. And I already played Postal couple years ago. But different strokes for different folks I guess.
Spot on lad. Can you imagine these people playing space invaders in today's society, OMG, your killing innocent aliens, oh why! This is a video game, to be played by adults, just as a mass killing horror movie is for adults. People will either buy it not. Let the customers decide.
Grand Theft Auto has the SAME principle.......
but u can play tennis in GTA and the person who u play as has a funner personality so its TOTALLY not the same thing /s anywho I can't wait to kill innocent PIXELS that resemble people in this game just like I have been doing for over 15 years.
I'd buy/play it, it's only a game, I like these types of games anyway, I don't care if i'm shooting zombies, plants, asteroids or in this case people, I just enjoy these types of games I understand the controversy, I just think people should stop acting like pussies and get on with it, your shooting pixels not people, I KNOW the difference
"your shooting pixels not people, I KNOW the difference" Tell me something. If they are only pixels, would it be okay if those pixels were kids? They are just pixels right? So would it be okay for us to be able to shoot a pregnant mum in the stomach or go to a cradle, put a gun in a vitual baby's mouth and pull the trigger? It's only pixels right? What about a game where you rape little kids violently? Its only pixels? "people should stop acting like pussies" Yeah because killing virtual makes you well hard lmao.
I completely agree with you man, but youre not gonna get them to.change their minds. If this is what they consider "entertainment", then that says enough about them already
Rape is an entirely different issue. But killing helpless NPCs shouldn't be an issue. Regardless of age. If you want an excuse pretend everyone is related to Osama bin laden or something.
@ Kenshin "Rape is an entirely different issue." So killing innocent NPCs is perfectly fine but RAPING them is bad? That makes absolutely no sense. They're both crimes and morally wrong. There's no differentiating them. I swear people get butthurt about a game getting attacked and come up with the stupidest reasons to defend it. The game is wrong...PERIOD. Quit trying to act like you're above this and trying to defend this senseless game.
I agree. I mean zombies are innocent. They're just hungry. No need to kill them.
I get what the author is trying to say. Hatred is not the kind of video game I like to play but at least I can differentiate between a video game and real life. Hatred should be released just the way it is. It's a GAME. Nothing more. It has no special value or meaning and it is definitely for adults.
To us maybe it's only a game! To some psycho's it is a murdering simulator. And for the media (cough 'Fox News), It's the honey that will fuel some stupid debates. At least we can wish this game pushes the gta series in a better light.
Yeah, and which country allows civies gun access to any over 18 year old? Phycho's will find some inspiration somehow, whether it be books, movies, music or games.
Damn, spot on!! Take away guns, knifes, stones, bows etc, people will still find a way to kill each other.
It's been proven time and time again taking away guns doesn't solve the problem. Criminals will always find a way to get them regardless. Look at Sweden. Every home has a military rifle. Now look at their crime rate.
@Antifan, big different between something throwing a stone at you and someone taking you down with a 50 caliber from three miles away. Yes people will find a way to kill each other, all the government can do is make it harder to achieve. @Allsystemgamer Strange, last I checked Guns aren't legal in the UK and we rarely have a gun crime. I don't think taking them away may be the correct idea in the US, but regulating them might help. At the moment any 18 year old can walk into a shop and buy a 50 caliber sniper rifle or an m60 machine gun. How is that not the most ridiculous idea ever, kids with guns.
Funny, Australia banned civilian gun ownership in the 90s following one massacre too many. Guess how many there have been since? 0.
Seems like the developer accomplished what it wanted. If this game sells because of controversy, then it's interesting.
Yea this what the devs wanted in the first place. Free marketing. Most people will buy it out of curiosity. Im not saying its a bad game. maybe it plays well.
All the controversy is just giving the game free press, ironically all those condemning it are actually promoting the game to a wider audience. I'll probably play it, I enjoy arcade style dual stick shooters. If I go postal, at least the news will have an excuse.
I see no problem here, it is no different to killing innocent soldiers in Call of Duty or any other game. Murder is murder no matter how you want justify it.
How is killing an enemy soldier whos trying to kill you the same as brutally murdering an innocent civilian? This is a video game so its different, but my question is a general one
I know what your trying to say but the answer is the same, killing somebody, armed or not is murder. Which justify it in war to supposedly make peace but its still killing someone. The fact that people are riled up because a game has come along and shown some footage of you killing random civies, is lunacy. In GTA you can do all of what this game does out of choice, why because a game chooses to make those choices part of the game, does it all of a sudden become wrong. If you can happily play GTA or COD and kill somebody, innocent or not, you can't then say this is wrong. You've already committed the crime in a video game and enjoyed it, get over it and move on.
They aren't trying to kill you, soldiers are given orders and they follow through. Just because they are on the opposing side doesn't mean they are bad, that is just how you justify it.
@Abradley: You shouldn't lump GTA in the same boat as COD. Killing someone who is trained to kill who is trying to kill you should NOT be compared to killing a mother who just dropped her kids off at school and is on her way to work.
Its a video game.
Seriously, would anyone be complaining if this was a movie instead? Would you complain as much if it was TV show? This game is a form of entertainment just like movies and TV shows. Games have a rating system just like movies to stop younger audiences from experiencing. Just like how a parent/guardian has to be present for a person under 18 to watch a mature-rated movie, a parent also has to be present when buying a mature-rated video game. If its too violent for you, then don't buy it. But don't try to punish others for wanting to buy it.
Yes, most people would complain if a tv show or movies main purpose was to kill innocent civilians. I remember when Natural Born Killers came out and there were a lot of complaints..
I remember the public outcry every time a slasher movie came out like Friday the 13th or Halloween. Oh wait, I don't remember that because it never happened.
@Scatpants: Name one slasher movie that is cast in such a way to make the viewer want to see as many innocent people die in horrible ways that has never received a single complaint.
Does it bother anyone else how many of our fellow gamers are oblivious, unrepentant sociopaths?
People can make games about what ever they want I really don't care just like mw2 though this game is doing it for attention people wonder why that was shown of during mw2 marketing it was for shock value and guess what even my mum knew about call of duty that year if we don't want games like this being made then the media shouldn't slap them on the front page but then how else would they get clicks?
The game is fine
Make no mistake. The game does look absolutely awful, from a game play perspective. However, the subject matter is the debate. I really couldn't care less what video games people make or play. It's up to the individual. This game is getting attention based solely on its premise.
If this was the case why has absolutely no one ever tried to kill a street performer after playing Infamous SS. It's just stupidity, stirred up by stupid people.
I was thinking the same thing. When you play the evil side on Infamous you're basically going around killing innocent people.
Wow....this game looks like bait for politicians hating on games.
I believe in freedom of speech, same deal when it comes for developers to have the freedom to create any game they want. Do I agree with the premise of this game? I do not, for what it seems there is no back story other than killing innocent people. It is too soon to tell. I do believe that these guys have the right to put the game out if they want. It is somewhat frightening for me that people might enjoy this game. Why? Well it scares me that someone might relate to a psychopath and enjoy or could care less if he/she hears the agonizing screams of a dying man who was shot in the face and brutally stabbed to death for no reason other than existing. For those who argue that it is just a game or shooting pixels, that makes no sense. Most of us gamers play in order to be able to relate to a story and/or be entertained. Please do not diminish the years of work a group of people put into creating a game. This game walks a very thin line, there are plenty of valid arguments against the game and there is a double standard being applied by a lot of people here when trying to bash it. What is almost certain is that it does strike a nerve, it shows us a side of humanity that most of us would rather lock away and pretend it never happens or never existed.
When you see the majority of the world how stupid it is sometime you understand the meaning of a game like this. Hatred is the right title for this game and you shouldn't take this as a serious thing.
This game looks fun to me and I will be playing it when it comes out. You guys do realize you are only "killing" little cartoon people and not actual tiny people that live inside your TV, right?
i would buy this game in a heart beat, if it were on ps4