Driveclub looks nice and has a couple of good ideas about handling leaderboard challenges, but the core of it--actually driving a car--drags the entire thing down.
i guess GT will always be the ultimate driving game for the playstation.
Not even the die hard Driveclub fans would argue with that :) But still I think that it does sound, AI and (soon) weather better than Gran Turismo so it's not like Drivcelub has to hide from GT.
Sound and weather yes but AI I'd say its very much the same. With that said both are in dire need for better AI that doesn't stick to the racing line for dear life and rears you with no reason as DC's AI does causing you to lose control or get slow down by the game's engine. Of course we should wait for GT7 to make final judgments since they could improve on these aspects due to the increased resources the ps4 can provide them.
^Of course I meant in comparison to GT6, not GT7. Also I don't understand what everybody has against the AI in Driveclub, it's agressive, yes, but it's not as agressive as people are online. Which racing game has a better AI then?
Yes its aggressive but not smart aggressive its basically cheating. To answer your question an a smarter AI in a next gen racing game I would say FH2 has smarter AI but not at the level I would expect from a next gen title(I've played it for quite some time on a friends xb1).
This generation is really not so hot as it would seem. At least not yet...
Actually X1 & Wii U do a great job.
not one X1 exclusive rated above 8 , FH2 is multi-platform and PS4 has a higher attache rate selling more games per-console than X1, so gamers voted PS4
Actually PS4 and Wii U have exclusive games rated above 9 on meta... X1 not so much. Good for you that DC turned out like you were hoping though, I am sure that makes you very happy.
@NewMonday: The Xbox has a higher attach-rate.
@DanzoSAMA Maybe in your fantasy world (but you're right about the WiiU).
I up'd ya for the Wii U mention. But it did take the Wii U a few years to really start hitting its stride.
@poppinslops Hahahah Good joke.
@NewMonday We need to stop with this "console exclusive" crap. You know what console exclusive means? It means the vast majority of console gamers aren't going to get to play if that don't own that console. Let's stop with this fanboy fighting, looking for any excuse to downplay whatever the other person is doing. If you honestly want to downplay the fact that Xbox One has great games, simply because MS sometimes plays nice with PC, bringing a title to it maybe a year later, then go ahead. It still leaves the Xbox One (and Wii U) in a great spot as a gaming machine at the moment.
@Jesus, but Console Exclusives are one of the prime reasons, to have a Console...
I see you're still trolling, Danzo. smh @TruthHurz(lol) "On the flip side sony has not delivered on the promise of games. " First, you just created that account. Second, there has been games. It may not be to your liking, but there are plenty of games. Despite what you or Giant Bomb think, there are plenty of sites that actually think DriveClub is pretty good. "own forza 5,Horizon 2,Ryse,Dead Rising 3,Titanfall,Killer Instinct season 1" Good for you. On the flip side, i'm sure there are plenty of gamers who bought plenty of games for the PS4. Also, you cited Ryse. Well, that really didn't set the world on fire, did it?
You're a comedian. You should choose that as your career path. Jokes aside, Xbox One is terrible in terms of video games.
The start of any generation is always like this. Happened with the Super Nintendo, N64, PS1, PS2, etc. Things really start heating up in year two and on.
Dead rising 3, ryse, forza 5, forza horizon 2, max curse of brotherhood, Titanfall, killer instinct, zoo tycoon, project spark, and plenty more coming. It doesn't matter if YOU for god knows what possible reason don't like these games. Plenty of people do because they are great fun. That's all that matters.
I play more older games these days than I do of the newer ones. The problem is that everything that you've listed, with the exception of Project Spark, we've seen it all before, there's nothing really all that new here. Not to mention that most games released in the last few years are seriously DLC heavy, and so what you get are games that are light on content up front compared to what they used to be, and you need to buy the DLC to get the full experience. Don't criticize me for giving an opinion, because after all, that's what forums like these are all about.
this is just being hated on, a 4?
Father__Merrin + 31d ago wehay... Pgr comes to PlayStation with the best graphics ever for a racing game. and the best thing is...there's nothing you can do about. to all the trolls who are hating it I have a simple message, You literally have no power to change the fact that such great looking games will come to ps4, there's nothing you can do! so plz stop :-)" You were saying...
Better off buying some blu ray films, look lovely but unplayable.
What is it that is unplayable? Driveclub? That os just flat out trolling!
@Dothraki so this bad and unplayable? https://www.youtube.com/wat... This video alone shows how great looking and fun DriveClub is. And you trolls need learn what 4/10 means. This generation sucks. Full of halfwits who buy what reviews scores tells them to buy.
"You were saying..." Well, he was right. He claimed that there was nothing you could do to prevent the game coming to PS4 and it came to PS4 so I don't see what your point is.
Wow..this review came from Jeff Gerstmann, who is one of the better and most respected reviewers in the industry. That score drives the overall metacritics score down to a 72 now. Really unexpected..I thought at least a high 70s to low 80s.
Quote : Speaking with a couple of the devs last night, they fully expect to not review well... but... turns out they don't really care. They're looking at the bigger picture, the long game (so to speak). Driveclub after a few months will be a different beast. They're focusing on constant support and development post-release. Some GAF member talked with devs! http://www.neogaf.com/forum...
Oh like Destiny then? Buy our crappy game now - and maybe ina few months it will be better? No thanks.
Give me a break..they had almost an entire extra year to finish the game and the result is they still released a 1/2 finished game at full retail price and expect gamers to wait longer to get a better product while the competitions released similar products that are complete in less time frame?
For me DC has the same issue GT5 had. It was hyped to be the best racing game ever but then the product was released and not finished. GT5 was a mess when it came out and I was one of the millions who got the game on day one and wish I has waited and it got better esp when 2.0 released but it could of been a lot better than it was. DC is a new IP and like any new IP it is a gamble especially in the racing gore as game like Blur and Split/Second found out last gen. DC is at this moment in time looking to offer the lest out of the driving games that are out over the next few weeks as Horizon 2, Project Cars and The Crew all offer more cars, Tracks and game modes and more. Yes DC looks very good but looks are not what makes a game esp a racing one. For me I do also think Sony have pushed it down the wrong path in terms of what they have marketed it as. To say its is a Forza killer was the wrong move. To me this looks like it is the next gen ridge racer. If they went down this rout then I think the game would score and fair better with everyone but trying to compare it with Horizon 2 or Forza MS 5 is the wrong way to market this game and its the marking that could hurt the game more then the games content its self.
S_D_F_Repellent You have no idea what you're talking about, how is Driveclub a 1/2 product? Have you played the full game? No, because you're lacking the hardware to do so, now stop trolling.
if they couldn't churn out weather, photo mode, and whatever other missing features there are after a year delay, i don't see them turning this game around and making it a "different beast" in the coming months.
they said the same thing about destiny but truth is in months no one will give a shiit
Gertsmann has always been a mediocre everything throughout his whole career, no one gave a shit about him and everyone who was with him in the past moved on to bigger and better things, he couldn't. The best thing that ever happened to him was the whole getting fired fiasco which suddenly got the attention of people who've been saying the same thing for ages, all these sites are crooked. Jeff's always been a fanboy of the other system as implied by himself even, he doesn't like ANY PlayStation exclusive, what does that say?
I like Gerstmann as much as the next guy who knows who he is, but 2/5? that's absurdly low. All the bad reviews of this game seem to hinge on the fact that the cars don't perform like cars...."too grippy" in this case, and in some cases the rather rigid AI of opponents. However, all the good reviews say that the cars handle great...so which is it? Is it possible that the low reviews, and the high reviews are both just a matter of opinion based on if people feel the cars handle well, and that one or a minority of reviews don't actually give an accurate representation of if the game is good or not? I just scrolled through all the metacritic reviews. Seems that the vast majority of them are over 80, with a few extremely low scores bringing down the overall score, so a high 70's to low 80's is probably more accurate.
I agree with some of your sentiment, looking at Metacritic I see 4 scores below 60 which are probably harsh but I also see 4 scores above 85 which are probably optimistic. Where I disagree with you is in your assessment of the overall score. When I scroll through metacritic, I only see 7 reviews out of 46 that are above 80 and only 4 of those are above 85. I also see 26 reviews out of 46 that are below 80, 16 of those are 70 or lower, 8 of those are 60 or lower and 4 are 50 or lower. Overall, 72 seems accurate to me.
Fair enough, when I looked I don't recall seeing that many reviews on there. There were only 2 reviews that were below 60, most were in the mid 70's to 80's, and about 3-4 that were above 90. My problem with metacritic is it puts too much weight on the individual scores, and uses a mean average instead of a more statistically accurate medium average, which tends to be better for something rating opinion based scores. Basically a medium average drops the lowest and highest scores to derive a more accurate result. Anyhow, I'm not really dismissing the average that Metacritic put out, just that the lower scores are having more of an impact on the average score than they really should. Quite likely due to the fact that Metacritic weights the websites scores based on their "influence". I can see why some people may score the game at 60 due to preferences or whatever comparisons they may be using, but overall, the game seems to do what it was meant to do OK, so if the game is taken on those merits, then a mid 70's to 80's seems appropriate.
it's fun as hell. play it.
Didn't know hell was fun?
it is. it's a blast.
No wonder there was so many graphic articles. I knew something was up. If theirs one site i trust its Giantbomb.
Coming from someone who trolls Drive Club on a regular basis...
This game is NOT a 4 out of 10. Just because they just finished playing Forza and they found Drive Club handle differently does not mean DC handled worse, perhaps just not to their liking. Different game different feel. It's just their opinion and I do feel they are being unreasonably harsh with the review. My opinion.
You say that,yet I disagree with them. 4/10 is an unplayable buggy mess and I'm sure when people play the PS+ edition they will see the game is not like that. I also think there will be many who will love it because it's quite competitive and will be surprised. There are others though, who want to wonder through the countryside who will find it's not for them. I know you say you trust Giantbomb, but aren't some of them from the 'controversial' Gamespot years?
'controversial' because they scored a game on its merits and not by how much money the publishers had in ads on gamespot . i will say 2 of the lower score 5.0 from kevin vanord at gamespot and 4.0 from jeff gerstmann from giantbomb might be effected by genre fatigue both had just finished playing Forza Horizon 2 (both giving it an 8) its a big game with allot of races or maybe they just had so much more fun that driveclub seemed boring in its wake .
"4/10 is an unplayable buggy mess" Ok then so what's 3/10, 2/10, 1/10? How can you get worse than an unplayable buggy mess as you put it? My take on the whole review scores thing is many writers use a different scale of 1-10 for each game. One moment being over generous, and the next overly harsh.
In regards to Giant Bomb. They all left within a two year period because they didn't like what was going on at Gamespot.
I used to trust giant bomb when they were independent. Unfortunately Jeff sold out to his old game spot overlords (the ones that sacked him for giving Kane and lynch an unreasonable score). Now gamespot own giant bomb I lost all respect.
Tin foil hats! Come get your tin foil hats!
Tin foil hat? Gamespot bought giant bomb, it is fact not conspiracy.
Omg FriedGoat... Yes that's totally it, the guys who fired Jeff for being too honest and giving a hyped Sony game a low score then turned around rehired him and forced him to give another hyped Sony game a low score because fuck all forms of logic and reasoning... Good one.
Lol you guys never cease to amaze me...
First off im getting the Ps+ edition whenever games that interest me comes out on the ps4 or h hour comes out whichever happens first. I tell you people I own a ps3 and have so since kz2 came out (fragking28). The problem is you guys cant stand someone who isnt bias about sony the way you guys are. My problem with Driveclub is that they changed the vision its not the same game they announced (yoshidas words). If this was motorstorm this would be a whole different topic. Why dont you guys check my psn stats to see if a troll for Ms can play the ps3 the way i did. (Just remembered i didnt sync in a while but my stats should still shut you guys up).
These guys had an extra year and they used it to make a million trees instead of offering more than one manufacturer color per car? It is all very good and well to have sprinkler systems and animals frolicking about in the day time and the night but a driving game whose driving gameplay and options are overshadowed by graphics and novelty is not going to win you much praise. Pretty but dumb seems to be this gen's theme.
I agree, gameplay > graphics Now if only everyone on N4G could agree to that, we wouldn't have such mindless debates where everyone thinks they are experts at making games lol I miss my SNES
If everyone agreed to that WiiU would be selling like hotcakes.
You can change the your car pain to any shade with either matte matalic gloss so before you start slagging the game I suggest you play it.
Sorry but I disagree. I don't give a crap what color my car is. Give me good handling, good track and great scenery to drive to. Just me.
Not a fan of the direction these first party Sony devs have been taking their games in so far this gen, basically spectacle>substance. What makes it infinitely worse is the rabid fanbase that will eat it up regardless.
It's a racing game, while I won't knock the people who do like it, unless it is a game like BurnOut, I find them boring as all hell. If I want to play racing sim, I'll just drive my car lol. Are we really that surprised this is happening to Driveclub? Wasn't the sheer lack of preview content and tight lipped secrecy kind of a tell? Just not for everyone I guess...
Tight lipped secrecy? The devs were very open about the development and they've shown the improvements to the game and engine starting from last year. The game's also been playable at various trade shows and the devs were constantly answering questions on Twitter. I guess you're talking about the review embargo, but everything else has been out there and known way before people played the game. I also don't trust most of the reviews since most of them don't even know what's in the game and what's not. Plenty of the reviews have them talking about features that are in the game that they're claiming aren't or features that aren't in the game that they are claiming are in it. You'd expect having the game embargoed would allow people to spend more time with it so they can write a more comprehensive review, but nope. People just pushed them out like the Destiny reviews from people at level 4 who gave up on the game.
I really want this game compared with other games this clickbait website gave a 2/5.
This and alien Isolation, and even Destiny have been really good for illustrating how reviews are, and never were supposed to be objective. It's refreshing TBH even if I disagree about some issues. I expect I'll really enjoy DC, and Alien Isolation is absolutely great for what it is. I can see why either/both wouldn't appeal to some people though.
Driveclub, Destiny and Alien: Isolation all average at above 70, so they're supposed to be pretty good according to reviewers.
Agreed, but averaging them like that does a disservice to individual reviews. Some of these games are divisive by design. There's no way a game that's as tough and old-school as A:I could be enjoyable for everyone. If everyone scored it highly it could imply it's actually a *worse* game for a big part of its target audience, who want a difficult, frustrating experience... Strange, and a bit of a flaw in using things like metacritic.
@mixelon Agree with that. Games like Super Mario Galaxy for example will never be controversial and are almost always universally appealing. I think Destiny and Driveclub lost a lot of points because they rely heavily on multiplayer. Very few reviewers criticise the core mechanics in those games.
Really wish that the PS+ edition would go live already. I want to form my own opinion. Anyhow, it seems that some people want to take the extremely underrated reviews(and I think most reasonable people know this game is worth more than 2/5...or 50..or whatever) and use them as the basis for their finger pointing and "i told you so" critiques. In the meantime they ignore that a majority of the reviews have this game in the 8's or 9's, and that a lot of people that have actually played it say it's a lot of fun. To be fair, this phenomenon isn't exclusive to DriveClub, and seems to be the norm for any exclusive that happens to come along. I'm sure the next X1 exclusive will have the same thing happen to it as well. Otherwise, i agree with you. Games should be rated for what they are, and not what they aren't. If something was promised and not delivered that's one thing, but I've seen too much downrating because this game just isn't FH2, which it isn't meant to be.
Except, once upon a time, reviews WERE objective. Or, at the least, they