Demon's Souls doesn't just hold up, it feels fresher and more innovative today than either of its "Dark" brethren.
Couldn't agree more with this article. (that's why I had to post it :D)
I think Dark Souls was a really good game, but Dark Souls 2 is just wholly unremarkable in every regard. It seems glaringly obvious now that Namco relegated development of that game to some b-team while they shifted the talented folk over to Bloodborne. I just hope that they don't leave the Dark Souls franchise to be run into the ground by the idiots that made the second game.
Well said bubs. It was a good game, but compared to demons and DS1, lacking. My biggest complaint was the level design after the first few areas. So lazy and unimaginative. Disappointing.
Namco has nothing to do with Bloodborne, Bloodborne is being published under Sony.
@Mega24 I know damn well you knew he meant From Software and not Namco. Honest mistake.
I agree as well, but haven't been able to play since I get invaded all the time. I wonder if there will be a patch when they take down the servers that allows us to continue to play without being connected.
You have always been able to play the Souls series without being on-line. The on-line component of the Souls series mainly allows you to get help or be invaded although in the case of Demon Souls the "tendencies" to work properly. When on-line in Dark Souls one way to stop or reduce getting invaded while still being able to get help is to try and keep your level below 15. Pyromancy is really useful as is weapon and armour upgrading. One or two hits with a level 15 hand flame spell usually will kill off a level 100 player fairly quickly, although a fight between a level 15 player and level 100 player should not happen. It is annoying when you can see that some players are cheats such as those who set themselves up as level 0 (minimum level is 1) and ridicules or infinite life (max life is less then 3,000). It must be noted that some players are really good and have been able to complete the game at level one without cheating. Upgrading and enhancement of weapons and armour is not cheating. Increasing your life while maintaining the same level is.
Great Post, buddy. Demon's Souls is the ray of hope for Japanese RPG developers and gamers.
True, Demon's Souls is special, i hope we get a sequel for the game. Even better that Bloodborne and Demon's Souls 2 will be exclusive for PS4.
demon souls 2 - it takes my breath away just thinking about it
With all due respect, sequel are overrated - I'd much rather have more of those "successors" instead. Bloodborne is kind of a successor.
Just because it's exclusive... Honestly, Dark Souls is the best of the Souls series. Awesome world, lore, content, flexibility, no grass hoarding, no world tendency, etc... I like Demons Souls, but I didn't go back after the Dark Souls series.
whichever one you played first will be the best one, that's generally how i've seen discussions play out on the internet. I agree with you on Dark Souls I being the best of the three. the fact that Demon's Souls is exclusive also wins it brownie points amongst fans.
@torchic Demons Souls was my first. Bought it, when it first came out.
Give us that 6th archstone!
I love the hell out of Dark Souls and have tried to get into Demons Souls several times. I just can't. Maybe it's the claustrophobic level design, maybe it's the Mario 64 level hub (something I've never liked). Last time I tried to get into it, after DS2, the thing that immediately threw me off was the godawful draw distance. Most of the difficulty seemed to come from the fact that the game wouldn't render anything further than a few meters from my character. So, yeah: I respectfully disagree with the assertion that Demon's Souls offers anything to top its successor.
"Maybe it's the claustrophobic level design, maybe it's the Mario 64 level hub (something I've never liked). " That description alone suggests you've never played through Demon's Souls. "godawful draw distance". Then this comment flat out confirmed it. I smell PC troll...
I don't mind if you disagree with me, but at least behave with a modicum of courtesy. Only one of us is trolling here, and it sure as hell isn't me.
...That you think Demons Souls doesn't have a level hub indicates that YOU have never played Demons Souls. Because it does. Very obviously. Maybe you're confusing it with Dark Souls? And the draw-distance in Demons Souls isn't uniform. Some levels have really decent draw distances, some have really crappy draw distances. It depends more on the lighting of the level and the amount of clutter. That one bit in one of the early levels where you're "inside" a bridge is really, really bad for example.
@Sly-Lupin I'm referring to his comment on claustrophobic level design, hence why I said it suggests he hasn't played THROUGH Demon's Souls. The nexus is a matter of opinion and was just a part of the sentence I copied. To clarify I should have omitted that part. Further more, I cannot recall a single draw distance issue I ever had, not even at the bridge in the beginning when looking from the hanging posts. Especially, despite the night/fog in terms of atmosphere, the entire level of the Fool's Idol Archstone you can see any of the interconnecting bridges and towers (assuming that there is lighting at the areas).
You have not played Demon's Soul's. I own both Demon's Souls and Dark Souls. First if you played Dark Souls and Demon's Soul's. You would know that Demon's Soul's preformance was superior quality vs Dark Souls. Dark Souls had horrible frame rates drops and back stabbing was over powerful. Demon's Soul's had better frames rates and back stabbing was better balanced than Dark Souls 1 .
Dark Souls had framerate problems in ONE area (that you could skip) otherwise the game was freaking solid everywhere else.
If you don't like a hub and you don't like the level design I can respect that if not agree with it. The level design was that way on purpose. The game was supposed to make players uncomfortable and it did. Your complaint about draw distance… I have no idea what you're talking about. Loved Dark Souls, never played DS2, but Demon's Souls was the best of the three imo.
[email protected] As in xbonefanboys you are a trolling. Alot of xbonefanboy want to down play Demon's Soul's and Bloodborne because they are both Playstation exclusives. [email protected] Dark Souls had framerate problems in ONE area (that you could skip) otherwise the game was freaking solid everywhere else. Really? Well that's not what Hidetaka Miyazaki said. Dark Souls dev sorry for frame-rate issues, uncertain on sequel "We don't know if the users will forgive Dark Souls developer From Software has admitted to "technical difficulties" which cause troubling frame-rate issues in its hard-as-nails role-player. From Software felt out of its depth with the game's huge scope, Dark Souls' creative director Hidetaka Miyazaki revealed to Edge. "Yes, there were technical difficulties," Miyazaki said. "I don't believe that it's okay to have them, but realistically speaking, it was quite a large-scale game - even in terms of budget and expectations. "So we're very sorry for the trouble we've caused by our processing errors and bugs from Japan. It was a title that we haven't really experienced in all aspects, so there were areas where we felt our technical side couldn't keep up with the game's scope, like an increasingly growing ache." Miyazaki considered working on the game "a learning curve", but is unsure whether From Software will ever revisit the Dark Souls universe. "We don't even know if we'll have another chance. We have the confidence that we can improve from our mistakes this time and create an even better Dark world, but we don't know if the users will forgive us for the mistakes."
Demon's Souls is a masterpiece, I finally beat it about 2 months ago. I would love a remaster of that game for PS4 using BloodBorne's engine.
demon souls remaster?!....hells, yea!
Mate, that's awesome and you should ask the idea to Shuhei Yoshida. Maybe he will talk to From Soft / Jpn Studio about that possibility!
Yes and possibly with some more content. Release it a few months before DS2.
It's a shame I don't have a PS3. Would really like to try this game.
Too bad mate. A couple months ago sony made it free for PS+ users. But the game itself already cheap (it's $20 on PSN). If you really want to try it, maybe you should buy a second-hand PS3 (it's cheap) or...waiting if sony / From Soft will remaster the game for PS4.
Wait until you can find a great deal on a PS3 and pick up the Bluray for around $10 US. (I would buy it new if it's still available to support the devs and Atlus)
Wait for the Black Friday sales, PS3 despite its horrible beginnings is now definitely well worth it. Also Demon's Souls goes cheap on Amazon last I checked.
I fully agree. At least Dark Souls 2 brought a lot of the punishment back which made it a nice balance between the 3 games. Demon's Souls will always be the best and Bloodborne looks like its going to capture that magic again.
Have you played the alpha? Its gonna be a 10/10 game. The only flaw is the framerate drops
Well hopefully they'll work out those frame rate issues before launch. I will buy a PS4 for this game.
great game that was treated like crap because ps3 wasn't liked from most gaming media back then :(
Are you nuts? The reception to Demons Souls was overwhelmingly positive. FROM expected it to be a failure, and it didn't sell very well in Japan. The only reason Dark Souls and Dark Souls 2 exist is because Demons Souls was a sleeper hit overseas.
ps4lifesucka great game that was treated like crap because ps3 wasn't liked from most gaming media back then :( What are you talking about? Demon's Souls was gamespot game of the year. Also In their 2009 Best and Worst Awards, GameSpot awarded Demon's Souls with Overall Game of the Year, Best PS3 game, Best Role-Playing game and Best Original Game Mechanic for the online integration. Game Trailers awarded it Best RPG and Best New intellectual property.IGN also awarded the game Best RPG for the PS3. X-Play awar ded the multiplayer Best Gameplay Innovation. PC World awarded it Game of the Year. RPGamer aw ardedDemon's Souls RPG of the Year 2009, including Best Graphics and Best PS3 RPG. In 2011 IGN ranked Demon's Souls 100th in their "top 100 modern games" saying that only real players need apply.[8
In my opinion Demons Souls was equally great as Dark Souls I. And while I found Dark Souls II pretty great as well, I didn't spend nearly as much time as I did with the previous two games.
all are a better rpg then destiny.
Bloodborne is basically demons souls 2. The game is atrociously hard and requires the highest of skill to beat the boss on the solo mode. Took me 2.5 hours!
There's something more memorable and challenging in Demon's Souls. Maybe...because i love hearing Maiden in Black voices and exploring (and dying) in Tower of Latria, which two things that i miss in Dark Souls 1 / 2. In technical point of view, Demon's Souls also had better frame rate compare to Dark Souls 1 / 2. But watching Bloodborne bring me back that Tower of Latria atmosphere again. Plus, From/Sony already confirmed they bring back the VA of Maiden in Black. So i'm really really looking forward to play Bloodborne ^^
The frame rate of DS is fine on pc ... if you crack it ... DS2 inately runs at 60 FPS. Was it lower on PS3 and 360? I do love the tone of Demon's Souls though. Dark Souls 2 might have been uninspired but I had a lot of fun playing it anyway. As far as off tones go though, Diablo 3 was way more off than Dark Souls or Dark Souls 2.
I had to CRAWL through all of the Tower of Latria. THE HEIGHTS!!!
Lol yeah me too. Every step i always said "please don't fall! please don't fall!". I hope they can recreate that experience again in Bloodborne.
Demon's Souls was my favorite game when it finally came to the states. It even beat out Uncharted 2 for me that year and I loved U2. I'm hoping Bloodborne catches that same feeling for me. Despite all of the negativity I see from gamers now in days, I actually do still enjoy playing games and looking I'm forward to playing many more that catch my eye.
Completely agree with the article.
Dark Souls > Demon’s Souls > Dark Souls 2. Only thing I found to be better in Demon Souls were the NPC characters.. Dark Souls had better environments, bosses, weapon selection and memorable moments.
Agree on the memorable moments. Sif boss battle and the cutscene when the Gaping Dragon appears are some of the most memorable and coolest moments I've experienced in my 20+ plus gaming "career".
I do agree the "Gaping Dragon" was an OMG situation. The same can be said for the Witch of Izalith fan service and IMO the "Oh Sh*t" feeling when you kill Ornstein or Smough. I do think the first meeting with the Drake and Blacksmith Vamos were a "what the!" feeling. In many respects I think these Dark Souls moments are actually built on similar but different situations that happened in Demon Souls. I won't take sides here each game stands on it's own merits.
Demon's Souls>Dark souls The boss battles are some of the most memorable bosses of last generation the atmosphere the lore,characters,music everything was better imo I still like Dark souls but felt like it could used more development time still a great game in its own right.
wait until you guys play Bloodborne it freaking great.The feel and mood of the game is awesome. I don't know how i feel about shooting the gun, I'm not that into it, i prefer dual welding blades.
Dark Souls boss battles > Demon's souls boss battles. What Demon's souls has that Dark Souls doesn't have, is that intense and opressing atmosphere that reminded me of a good survival horror. If Bloodborne has Demon's Souls atmosphere and boss battles as cool and memorable as the ones in Dark Souls I'll be a very happy gamer.
Have you fought against the player-boss? I did, and it blew my fricken mind when I found out about it.
I prefer Demon's for the music and atmosphere but Dark Souls wins in almost every other aspect.
I started off with Dark Souls because by the time i discovered demons souls DS1 already existed and was coming out but after the masterpiece that was Dark Souls i was just not feeling demons souls much so i quit early and didnt finish it how ever after playing dark souls 2 i was like "wow demon souls was way better than this crap" and now im in the process of going back to finish demon souls but i doubt ill like it more than DS1 simple cuz that was my first game in the serries. DS1 is my favorite game of all times its so good it makes me very sad that i cant relive those glorious moments again. :') bloodborne will be awsome but the lack of competitive multiplayer makes me sad, it was both the multiplayer and main game that made me love DS1 so much. I remember slaying gankers,i had orgasms everytime i killed gankers that were intentionally ganking and having epic online battles that were just very satisfying. I love this game so much i hold it very dear to me i will never forget the epic expeeiences i had with dark souls.
I loved demon souls. However i tried going back but i just couldnt play with barely any players around. Nothing beats the launch date when there was 30 summons sings in a single room. Aagghhhh the good ole days
I'm about 30h and lvl 98 into dark souls 2, but tbh I've not got the will to complete it. the game is different as it's not like DS1 in open design mabey it's because I've a ps4 now therefore not as excited about it! but imo both demon souls and dark souls was better. little things like bonfire leveling or that snake thing to sell weps to etc, ds2 this all seems tedious, I think Il trade today to get ps4 minecraft
Demon Souls made me believe again, nuff said! Great game!!!! Thank you Sony for Blood Bourne!!!!
I have gone back and forth for years about which game I thought was "better" Demon's or Dark. Dark's level design and melancholy world are certainly amazing. Enough for it to be number 2 game of last generation. Ultimately, I have to give it to Demon's....I haven't felt that way playing a game in 20 years...maybe ever. It was strange...weird....hard....So focused in vision....There was a mystery there that Dark didn't have.
Demon's Souls > All
IMO DeS > DaS2 > DaS hopefully it'll be Bloodborne > DeS and even further into the future DeS2 > Bloodborne but we all know BB is essentially DeS2. a rose by a different name.
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