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HBM 3D Stacked Memory is up to 9X Faster Than GDDR5 – Coming With AMD R9 390X and R9 380X 20nm

A recent presentation of the AMD and SK Hynix co-developed 3D stacked High Bandwidth Memory standard HBM has made its way to the web. This new leak gives us a very good idea of what to expect from the new technology in terms of performance and market availability.

HBM Memory :

HBM was originally developed in tandem by both SK Hynix and AMD to replace GDDR5 as the new standard for bandwidth hungry processors such as GPUs. GDDR5 performance scaling has slowed down dramatically and grown exponentially more expensive in the last few years. Faster GDDR5 modules and wider memory interfaces were only going to take us so far, a new standard had to replace the aging technology.

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Ghost_of_Tsushima1209d ago

Possibly off topic a bit but I hope Sony uses this for PS5. Sounds amazing.

Ripsta7th1208d ago

Im pretty sure Sony will use whatever is most recent at the time of the ps5 release which will likely be somthing newer than this

Volkama1208d ago

Which could potentially still be this

"AMD and SK Hynix will continue to scale this technology well into the mid 2020s."

madjedi1207d ago

Not sure why so many people are giving infected disagrees, when this new memory becomes the new standard for amd and nvidia, the current gddr5 based cards will be phased out.

Absolutely nothing he stated sounded wrong to me, unless people are foolish enough to think he meant using one of these first cards that introduces the technology and not a newer generation chip.

Bodge1208d ago

Good joke. Top quality humor from N4G.

Vegamyster1208d ago

This is completely different hardware, they cannot change what the PS4 currently has.

Vegamyster1208d ago (Edited 1208d ago )

@fr0sty

My bad lol, eyes are getting tired but still by the time the PS5 comes out this will be old tech and something better will be out.

ABizzel11208d ago (Edited 1208d ago )

@Vegamyster

Completely wrong. This is the new memory format for GPUs, and this is what NVIDIA GPUs were planning on adopting with their Pascal cards (2016), but it looks like AMD beat them to the punch.

This memory format is going to stay in GPUs are many years, until some better and viably price comes along, which is most likely stacked eSRAM, which won't be common place for another 10+ years due to pricing.

This is exactly what's going to be in next-gen consoles and gaming PCs for years to come.

http://www.anandtech.com/sh...

Vegamyster1208d ago

@ABizzel1

We don't know how long it will take for the next consoles to come or how much money Sony/MS/Sony will invest in the hardware, both Sony/MS went with cheaper hardware this gen compared to the 360/PS3. Technology has been moving at a brisk pace, 4K was way too expensive a few years ago but now you can get them for less than a $1000. Whether or not this HBM 3D Stacked Memory will be continue to be used in 6-10 years on GPU's is yet to be seen.

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hot4play1208d ago

More than that, I think the PS5 should be backwards-compatible with PS4 games and improve their graphics. Provided the PS5 uses a souped-up version of the PS4's architecture.

mkis0071208d ago

should be with the new architecture...unless it is artificially limited, but gamers will know that right off the bat.

Magicite1208d ago

Can AMD dethrone Nvidia with this?

AndrewLB1208d ago

If they do it will only be for a very short period of time. nVidia has twice the discrete graphics card market share as AMD and is in excellent financial shape right now. AMD on the other hand has made significant layoffs in the last year just to stay afloat because their CPU division is non-existent, their fastest chip only hanging with an i5 right now with nothing new on the horizon. Check out their stock price too... $3.39 right now. Many believe this is at least partially because they have been using up all their silicon capacity from TSMC making PS4 and Xbone chips, which don't make them hardly any money. nVidia was smart to pass on that deal.

mark3214uk1208d ago

they still havnt taken advantage of gd5 yet have they?

ABizzel11208d ago

GDDR5 has been in PCs for a while, this is better in nearly every way.

It offers bandwidths of up to 750GB/s - 1.5 TB/s, whereas most high-end GDDR5 is sitting in the 300GB/s - 400GB/s range.

The problem isn't really the RAM though, it's the bus for the RAM which is what NVIDIA is trying to fix (no plans from AMD yet), and it's also why I think if MS goes with a PConsole (like they seem to be headed with this heavy Windows integration) then they're most likely going with Intel and NVIDIA which means the next Xbox might be weaker than the PS5 at gaming, but the console will literally be an Xbox that can boot into a full computer if you want giving it the ultimate multitasking and multipurpose uses (thus a reason to own both).

ABizzel11208d ago (Edited 1208d ago )

@The_Infected

This is what all 3 should be using. I don't expect new consoles until 2018 at the earliest, and more than likely 2020, and this technology is being adopted by both AMD and NVIDIA, so there's no question about it.

http://www.anandtech.com/sh...

The mach specs I have for the PS5 / XB4 / Nintendo? are:

PS5: 2020
CPU: FX 8370+ (12 core version)
GPU: 10 - 12 TFLOPS AMD GPU (closer to 12 IMO, due to AMD savings)
RAM: 8GB DDR4 (system RAM) + 16GB stacked eDRAM (game RAM)
HDD: 250GB SSD + 2TB 2.5" HDD
Price: $499

XB4 Version 1 aka PConsole: 2020 (real console)
CPU: Intel i7 4790k+
GPU: 9 - 10 TFLOPS NVIDIA GPU (closer to 9 IMO, due to pricing)
RAM: 16GB DDR4 (system RAM) + 8GB stacked eDRAM (game RAM)
HDD: 250GB SSD + 4TB 3.5" HDD
Price: $499

XB4 Version 2 aka Blue Ocean Console: 2018 (temporary console)
CPU: Dual AMD A10-7850k (APU)
GPU: 4 TFLOP AMD GPU
RAM: 8GB DDR4 (system RAM) + 4GB stacked eDRAM (game RAM)
HDD: 1TB 2.5" HDD
Price: $349

Nintendo?
CPU: Dual AMD A8-6600k (APU)
GPU: 3 TFLOP AMD GPU
RAM: 8GB DDR4 (system RAM) + 4GB stacked eDRAM (game RAM)
HDD: 1TB 2.5" HDD
Price: $299

N-Fusion (Handheld / Hybrid console, aka 4DS that can connect to HDTVs)
CPU: Quad Core Mobile CPU
GPU: 600 GFLOP AMD GPU
RAM: 3GB DDR4 (system RAM) + 1GB VRAM
HDD: 64GB SD card
Price: $199

That being said I hope MS goes with the first option, and I hope Nintendo goes with the N-Fusion option.

user56695101208d ago

wait i thought new technology only comes out when next gen consoles consoles are announced? thats what i constantly hear on this site.

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imt5581208d ago

Xbone's secret sauce???

ninjahunter1208d ago

Oooh, could this be the creation of good AA that doesnt murder framerate?

Dasteru1208d ago (Edited 1208d ago )

AA hasn't been murdering framerates for quite a while now. Mid-high end PC GPUs have been providing near free AA since around 2008.

Volkama1208d ago

Nah, good AA is still taxing. Post processing AA is cheap, but also compromises the image quality.

Dasteru1208d ago (Edited 1208d ago )

I wasn't talking about post processing (FXAA). I was talking about standard MSAA/CSAA. I can run 8x MSAA on any game that i normally get a steady 60fps on, and it only drops about 5fps.

Modern GPUs, atleast from Nvidia, are designed to provide nearly free AA.

AndrewLB1208d ago

Dasteru- Try enabling 8xMSAA while playing Project Cars, heavily modded Skyrim, Crysis 3, or even an older game like The Witcher 2: Enhanced Edition. I guarantee you'll see more than 5fps drop. I do and i'm running a GTX 780 ti.

Dasteru1207d ago (Edited 1207d ago )

It is actually a heavily modded Skyrim that i tested it on before replying back with the amount of frames lost. I am using SMC with all 4k options. That is over 250 texture mods, almost all 4k, full paralax mapping, new meshes, Project ENB, grass fields, a couple dozen ini tweaks including a ugrids of 13. 8x MSAA, 16x AF, etc. I get 60fps with no AA and 54 average with 8x.

I have also tested it on Crysis 2 and 3 and Farcry 3 which also loose between 5-7fps average.

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PCBOX1208d ago

Those GPUs have simliarities with XO's architecture. I always knew that MS did something very good. Now and and see

Volkama1208d ago

Normally when I see people type "smh" I vomit in my mouth a bit, but this comment?

smh....

madjedi1207d ago (Edited 1207d ago )

The similarities are they both have transistors and are both made from silicon, beyond that pretty much nothing.

Genova841208d ago

Still getting GTX 970. If these are released early next year and are as good as they claim, I may pick one up with a UHD TV. No need for this much power for 1080p.

Volkama1208d ago

2. Pick up 2 if you want 4k at a good frame rate on modern games. And do your research on the TV, as it seems there are some HDMI 2.0 teething problems being exposed by these cards.

Genova841208d ago

It's crazy how many UHD TVs are locked at 24hz at 2160p. I look every 3 months or so. The prices for the ones I want are still a bit too steep though.

Volkama1208d ago

Usually 30hz, but a lot of the 60hz ones are having trouble with 4:4:4 chroma at that refresh. Even the ones that can do it according to spec are a bit hit and miss.

Personally I have a 2013 Samsung f9000 with the 2014 sek-2500 breakout box, so hdmi 2.0 capable. I would sidegrade my way to 2 new cards if I knew I'd get 4k60 full chroma, but it is not conclusive.

4k30 l/r 3D is phenomenal though ;-)