PES European Brand Manager has issued an interesting update in PES 2015 resolution-gate controversy between PS4 vs Xbox One.
PES2015 not running 1080p on X1 is 100% lazy dev in this instance given we see their competitor in FIFA running at 1080p on the same machine and doing as much or more in game.
Oh you know it could be something else... Such as the way the engine is setup resulting in bottleneck because of XB1's architecture. Which based on evidence is the likely reason because of Esram size. http://www.neogaf.com/forum...
Very true, but it's extremely difficult not to think that when you see their main rival coming out with a game that manages to pull off 1080p
In fairness to Konami, PES 2015 looks a lot more detailed than Fifa. Someone put up some really good comparison pics that hammer the difference home.
PES is more detailed zoomed in. I like many play with the camera zoomed way out and at that distance FIFA looks much better. The pitch alone in FIFA is dynamic, where it is not in PES. There have been several gameplay comparo videos done on YouTube (all of which were based on the demo version of each game) and the visuals of FIFA 15, win out. My point, I'm sure you're wondering is I think perhaps the new FOX engine is struggling with the X1 especially when you consider not one other sports game is sub 1080 on the console. I won't call people lazy as we live in a world of finite resources but I think the engine may be struggling with the hardware.
Could you show the details that make 720p unachievable? Both have their pros, for example the grass is much better in Fifa, it even wears out and "bends" when players step/slide on it.
I meant 1080p in my first comment of course..
Look Ryse is an example of what can be achieved on the xb1. Ryse was 900p and is still considered by the critics to be one of best looking games on console ever. Crytek were using a SDK that was difficult to work with. So are you telling me a soccer game can't go above 720p, on x box 1.
Ryse was 30fps........... sometimes.
Don't think Ryse is a good comparison as its not multiplatform. Fifa managed parity but to be honest I think this is an issue with the Fox engine working on X1.
Yeah, you are right Ryse is a good looking game, but it struggled big style framerate wise, dropping below 20fps quite often, i remember playing it at my mates house, annoyed the hell out us.
You also have to remember that only main characters in RYSE were highly detailed, which ended up being maybe 8- 10 people total. Enemies are not a main attraction however and they all were clones and looked like shit. You would literally fight the same 7 enemy types for the duration of the game. On top of that, 3 would look the EXACT SAME while you were fighting them. This isn't Final Fight or Streets of Rage. In a soccer game EVERY character is the main attraction so they all have to be high res, smoothly animated, and at the same time. That's whats confusing some of you. Ryses trade was everything but the Hero looks mediocre. Can't afford that in any sports game. Can't wait to see a fully next gen boxing game though. With just 3 people to go all out on it should be phenominal.
Yeah… and Ryse made some absolutely horrible compromises to reach a level of fidelity on the main character models. Keep pretending the resolution is the only factor into Ryse's mediocrity. The performance was godawful. The environments were corridor and not hugely impressive compared to the main character models. The enemies you fight were simply clones of the same classes and not that detailed. Crytek is what Crytek does.
they are different engines so cant really compare. also ea is massive compared to konami, they have more resources. anyway. read on gaf(i know they are not experts) and they mentioned it was due to the esram and the low bandwith it has. fox engine apparently uses deferred rendering instead of forward rendering which needs a high bandwidth. http://gamedevelopment.tuts... heres a good read, its simple enough for me to understand.
Different Engines & Different Developers. The PS4 also has 2x the ROPs and almost 2x the GigaPixel/s output as the XBO, which simply makes 1080p a much easier target. Most developers said Sony has been a great help and had solid tools day 1, I can't find anything on developers commenting on the XBO tools. It also boils down to sales. PES sold best on PS3 by a good margin all last gen, the PS4 has dominated EU, and compared to the XBO it's dominating JP. Those are the regions where PES sells best, so if it came down to which a time crunch and version should get the most support. MS is going to have to step in more and prevent issues like this from happening on a wide scale. The PS4 simply has the better GPU, and the GPU the XBO uses is recommended for 900p gaming (R7 260), and when they downclocked it to reduce heat and TDP it also weakened it to the HD 7770 levels. The GPU in the PS4 is recommended for 1080p gaming even with it's downclock (R7 265+). So it's going to happen a lot more often than not.
"But says "720p Still Very High"" Lmfao. Still "very high" compared to what, 480p? "why would sales be poor because of resolution? i'd buy a 480p football game if it was amazing! **1080p does not mean quality**" Sure it does - image quality. Pathetic damage controlling from that dev. Almost as pathetic as their job with this game on the X1.
Their loss. If they ever want to even begin to try get the football crown back, they had better come out with something more than that. From what I've played of the demo, PS4 demo, it's not going to take many Fifa fans away, especially Xbox ones who will just not buy a substandard version when they could have the main competitor in 1080p.
So the main competitor is 1080p, but that does not mean that it needs to be a better game, although in this case it looks like it is. But really, resolution is not a big deal, i've been playing in 640p for the last 10 years and i've enjoyed these games as much as everybody else. Also, i've had more fun in FIFA World Cup 98 than in any other fifa game that followed after 2003. I just wish Destiny was in 480p and had a fucking story and less grind, but hey, a 1080p piece of crap is great.
It'd certainly be interesting if microsoft's resources and aid can help get the game to 1080p. It's worked with other games, so I wouldn't rule out the same thing happening here as well.
I am confused does that mean the 360 and PS3 version of PES will be lower then 720p
Ps3 version was confirmed 720p as well, not sure about the 360 version
So Ps3 is the same as the XBO at 720p, cant believe there are people on this thread defending this dev, there is not excuse for this game been the same on PS3 and XBO when clearly the XBO is much more powerful, whoever think otherwise is just blind.
Yep it is the same resolution and FPS. I think it has to more with fidelity and textures as they will stronger on the xbox one but I do agree that there is no excuse for the developers
I'll say this much.. if Konami and MS manage to get this game to a higher resolution, alot of people will be eating their words again (just like the China Xbox One release news). I'll still say it though, the past 4 or 5 Pro Evos have been broken messes anyway.
They might get it to 1080p at cost of going 30fps, would you be happy with that? Sometimes you have to give to get.
they'll probably get it to 900p at 60fps, I would say 1080p is out of the question since as of right now the resolutions is 720p
Totally developers fault. No reason they shouldn't be 900-1080p for a sports game. Cmon. Anyone thinking otherwise is a troll really. Look at the current list of 1080p sports titles on the One. They pretty much all are.
Maybe Konami thought they would release this 720p info and create such at crap storm so that it would force Microsoft to spend their own money on actually optimising the game and engine for them for free.
Conspiracy theory however I too think Konami has something against MS lately.
Starting to think Konami have beef with MS. Curious to see how Metal Gear Shapes up now. Hoping 900p 60fps.
720 very high. That's interesting.
Hahaha, 720 is very high? Well something is high, but its seems to me its because that statement was made while smoking something.
Even 2k Sports, who were able to get their game running at 1080p on the X1, commented on how much more they enjoyed working with the PS4. The issue isn't isolated to only certain devs. This is from the guy who admitted that they didn't like the PS3 last gen due to the controller...so they're not exactly playing favorites for no reason.
Another developer not having the proper time to implement the update from the updated dev kits. Nothing to see here folks.. But of course being N4G,its a huge deal..Meanwhile nobody here is reporting how blurry FIFA15 look on PS4 compared to the X1 version
"Another developer not having the proper time to implement the update from the updated dev kits." The update came out a long time ago. Every developer had more than enough time to incorporate it into their code. So we know it isn't the update which means that the problem lies somewhere else. Didnt you notice that the game uses the Fox engine? Which is also the same engine that powers Ground Zeroes which ran in 720P. This means that the problem is due to some comparability issue between the engine and the systems hardware. I believe Konami has to tweak the engine a bit to work better on the XB1.
bro,the update just came out maybe 2-3 months ago.. you do know it takes more thn that to develop a game right? sometimes developers cant go back and fix or update stuff to the game due to financial or deadlines..Reason why MS is sending their dev guys to help them reach the goal.. Tired of coming to this site and seeing negative news on the X1 when its a perfectly great console with some amazing games.. Its a shame you see more coverage of resolution problems on the system thn the amazing games like Forza and Sunset Overdrive.
So did Microsoft tell them that it was unnaceptable? Reminds me of what happened with Diablo 3 and in the end the Xbox One version turned out well.
So can we stop about Microsoft holding back games now?
Obviously not. Is this some indicator to you that parity no longer exists?
thats not looking good for MS
They cant bump the resoution let me tell you why? Fox Engine has inappropriate tools and rendering technics on XO's hardware.MGSGZ on a very tiny tiny map was 720p this is the definitive proof of what I said.Even they can solve the problem the time is very short change some codes.May be with patch but dont think will happen. P.S:Konami suddenly started to work together with MS because if you check devs twitter page most of the XO gamers mentioning "so be it then no more support from us" go check it.Honestly now they do afraid of low software sales.
If all XB1 gamers stop buying the games, then not only will you not get them in 1080, you won't get them at all. Genius plan /s
I have a PC who cares LOL
No one on reddit understood the reason. Folks thought it was either lazy or Sony's doing. Focus on PS4 optimization seems to be more than PS4 sales and supposed hardware advantages. To be honest, with XB1 having so many games, multi plats performing the same and DX12 etc coming, I would not trust any news about XB1 that is negative. No one finds it odd that Destiny comparisons are almost non existent? If the XB1 version of Destiny was worse or even the same folks would write a million articles *or* hide the topic if otherwise. Same with Madden 2015, Comparison hidden/silent. If XB1 wins, resolutiongate goes away? Anyways Konami was going to slap together the XB1 version of PES 2015 because they thought it was not going to sell? I have not read the original reports and tracked sources so I don't know if the issue was a S.D.F. plot, I first assumed this issues was a PS4 fanboy scheme. They will mislead on all AAA before release for now on. Lots a PS4 faboys doing saving face damage control in here, they must of been trolling hard.
I'm confused, are you suggesting that Sony is paying devs to make XB1 games inferior? If that IS what you're suggesting, then lmao
Well that goes to show you how the media would hide the problem of your beloved system. Look at watch happened last gen when Sony system was hard to develop for. The media went crazy.
Wait what??? Conspiracy against Microsoft. PS4 fanboys damage controlling O.o I love that it is just a conspiracy now that Sony has the advantage, you are acting very mature. This is too much.
You really do have a troubled mind, if you have to dig this deep. -------- "with XB1 having so many games, multi plats performing the same" Most XB1 games, just like most PS4 games are either cross-gen, indie or simply not pushing the hardware in any significant way we can call "next-gen" just yet. And even then, there are plenty of multiplats that are continuing to exacerbate the #resolutiongate. -------- "and DX12 etc coming, I would not trust any news about XB1 that is negative." LITERAL damage control going on here people. DX12 has already made its cut on Xbone and even the top tier devs like CD Projekt Red haven't seen enough of an improvement to end what is and will continue to be an issue for Xbone and 1080p vs what PS4 can handle by simply having stronger hardware, and a rock-solid low-level developer API. http://www.gamespot.com/art... And dude… The Witcher 3 is already a ridiculously ambitious open-world game made to next-gen/PC specifications, not held back by older consoles. What.. do you think Sony needs to "pay off people" when the resolution issue continues naturally as next-gen games become more and more complex and demanding on the hardware? Instead of damage controlling what was ALWAYS going to pan out this way anyway due to the decisions MS made for their hardware, how about you just accept the reality that most other sane individuals have come to accept: http://www.computerandvideo... -------- "Lots a PS4 faboys doing saving face damage control in here, they must of been trolling hard." I'm FLABBERGASTED that someone can be this openly and blatantly hypocritical.
Developing for the XBox One is like bothering to create viruses for linux or mac honestly. Why do it when people don't have it ?
I think this is a Konami problem not a Xbox One problem
By your logic then is a third party logic because many others are having the same problem with the X1, PES is not the first one remember? Most recent Shadow of Mordor Lord of the Fallens Call of Duty Advance Warefare So this is a konami problem? Interesting spin
This is a sports game. It is not as demanding as the games that you mentioned
It is embarrassing to see the X1 and Ps3 running the same. And they said they are working closely with Sony so who knows. If X1 for them is a cash grab then gamers should not care for Konami Games. I enjoy the Demo and i will buy the full game but that seems like making a game look worse because they don't care. Konami fails a lot lately, demo didn't show up on time even tho it was announced a month prior. Now this.
Same resolution doesn't mean same graphical assets. There is more to graphics than just resolution. I'm sure the picture as a whole looks way better on x1 than ps3. Textures, lighting etc... Seems like nobody on this site gets that lol smh
Come on Guys is it really that important to have a game output resolution at 1080p? Man, most of you are expecting too much power from the x1 hardware. Truth is, the 32MB eSRAM isn't enough to output games at 1080p with out making some trade off/down grade. Many of you brought a system knowing what specification it has under the hood, so deal with it. Kind of like if you buy a volk wagon you shouldn't expect that car to perform like a ferrari. Besides, like Reggie once said," it's all about the games"
What trade offs were made for NBA 2k14 which ran at 1080 60fps? I think madden 15 does as well.
Because both gaming consoles output NBA 2k14 at 1080 res/60fps doesn't means x1 version of the game wasn't down-graded. Besides, we don't know the optimizing process for either system. optimizing always means something was down-graded even though we don't see the difference in the down-grade. I believe the dev has to go to greater length to optimize the x1 version lot more than the PS4 version of the same game to make it run on the weaker hardware.
This is for the comment you made in reply to CJDUNCAN. What you said isn't completely right , optimization could come at downgrading file sizes meaning finding or creating a smaller file size (that could take time to be done). Or you can find a new solution through coding that could help you through minimizing those files size , and basically help you optimize it for the console. The FOX engine needs to find new solutions just like what have been done with the RAGE engine to make Max Payne 3 and GTAV run amazingly on the PS3 , just give it time and you'll find the FOX engine running well on Xbox One.
I totally agree. I didn't explain myself well regrading optimization. See,thing is, I try to keep my commits as short as possible. My bad. I agree devs can find a new solution through coding to optimize a game.
With all this shit about rez lately all I can say is the new sdks coming out in November for the Bone better have fairy dust in them cuz this is getting ridiculous already. PS4 is making it look like shit more and more every day and thats not fair to MS and its fans for supporting them. They deserve better.
Maybe they should've worked with MS I don't know..during development?
Welp, turns out resolution is important to Microsoft this week.
I don't think is important to MS per se, but when a whole generation turns into a Resolution Peeing Contest then there is no other option.
I'll give you that.
Only 720p for a soccer game on a next generation console? Seriously? A soccer game? You have got to be kidding.
GamePur has quickly become the new dualshockers.
Funny how most of the people defending this are the ones with the least bubbles
I personally think that this now is a simple fact that developers are struggling with getting to grips with Xbox one architecture. If it can be achieved with Microsoft's assistance why can't these developers achieve it? It's not a case of the Xbox one can't do 1080p games it's a simple case of developers can't get their game running at 1080p without issues.
i disagree. how come fifa can achieve 1080p 60fps then? madden? nba2k? konami is just being lazy and biased towards sony