GameZone's Matt Liebl: "I’ve been writing about video games for over three years. I’ve been playing them for way longer. And never have I seen so many people wishing for a game to fail as I’ve seen with Destiny."
Not really a new thing. Call of Duty has been getting hate for like 5 years now.
Yes but i don't think destiny is as deserving as it that cod. Cod releases the same game each year because it won't make a difference to the public as it will still make a lot of money. Destiny is genuinely ambitious and took a lot of risks. We should be encouraging games like this as they won't come along often and even less so if this is the response they get. They could of played it safe and stuck with halo but they were wanting to reach higher. The game industry is getting very self destructive and id thought n4g users would support it as they feel passionate about games like me.
nobody is rooting for Destiny to fail. We just want reviewers and review sites to be accountable for their RIDICULOUS amount of overhype they gave this only so-so, mediocre game. Mainly IGN (Activision's main PR/Marketing hype, fanboy site for their FPS) was the main culprit in this. And us as gamers are left holding the over hype bag, asking what the heck happened.
^This person (Meatyboy) has a brain. Right there with ya.
@4logpc and for very good reasons. Hate is not bad, its why you hate something. for instance I hate crime....lol see doesn't make me a bad person. Theres good logical reasons to hate something.
What the hell are you even saying. That made zero sense.
lol what? you hate crime because it's bad for society, Destiny is a game meant to be of pleasure to society...
Who says people want it to fail? The game simply under-delivered. We can't speak about the flaws of a game so the developers can improve upon them?
Exactly. The game obviously has a lot of shortcomings, some glaring ones for a title as hyped as it has been. The criticism doesn't mean we're wanting it to fail. Its just that it failed on its own in many areas. Come on. Enough of this now.
expect that the people actually giving reasoned criticism are few, drown out buy the drive by "lolz fail" comments.
Hey NewMonday, where was this reasoning and defensive stance during your one man crusade against Titanfall? Don't even pretend these aren't different situations. If you had these criticisms for Titanfall, you damn well better have them here. And if you don't well I guess that speaks volumes about your mindset.
@LightofDarkness I did actually, repeatedly.
It really is sad someone criticizes others while having a history of those same crticisims. Many people seem to be calling him out for his Titanfall episodes and it looks to me it's more to do with Titanfall being related to Micrsooft and Destiny being linked to Sony. Does that sound correct? If so that's really really odd behaviour. These are just games and known review sites have indeed given Destiny average scores. Mainly for repetivive gameplay, grinding, poor social communcation for a MMO, small battles, lack of content and a very bad story. I don;t think this means they and others want it to fail. It just hasn't met the huge hype and it's a game that will likely get better over time.
The problem is, the most vocal detractors are not highlighting the issues, they are condemning the game entirely. So, basically the people with zero (or little) time playing the game are the ones who are making the most noise, and are the least qualified to discuss the flaws. I'm 20+ hours in, and I'll happily discuss the poor storytelling, the repetitive missions, the tweaks needed to the HUD, and other things I'd like to see improved. And equally I'll discuss the great controls, amazing graphics, potential for the future, how awesome playing Co-Op is and why, and so on. But every discussion ends up falling in to one of two camps - the defenders and the detractors... So the net result is no discussion, just noise.
So you dumped 20+ hours into a game with poor storytelling, repetitive missions, and a crappy HUD? I see the merits you listed as well, but I don't have that kind of time for a sub par experience, no matter how pretty.
But it's not a sub-par experience, and nowhere did I imply that. And your response is exactly the problem. People are taking discussion of flaws (some minor) and making out they are game breaking. You immediately call the game sub-par, but don't actually engage in the reason people have higher than average expectations for Destiny. The story behind Destiny is compelling and I like what I saw, but the way it was told (ham fisted cut scenes and Grimoire cards only accessible outside of the game) needs improving. The story isn't the problem, the delivery is. And that can be fixed - but I still enjoyed the single player experience. The Patrol missions are repetitive. But those missions make up a small (or large if you want) proportion of the game. I sometimes do Patrol Missions to get resources or tackle Bounties - but I have the option of doing Strikes, Daily Heroics / Stories, PvP, Levelling up - the options for what you can do in Destiny are huge. Sometimes I log in for a more casual experience - so will do Patrols - some variety would be welcome, but the lack of it right now does not make Destiny a bad game. Other times I want intense fire fights, so can do Strikes. And in each case I have the option of grouping with friends or not. Few other games offer even close to the variety of things to do. And the HUD is not crappy - it just needs a tweak to show Consumable cool downs, and allow mapping of using certain Consumables to one of the digital buttons - such as Ammo Packs. Hardly your assumption that the UI is 'crappy'. So maybe engage in discussion about it rather than jumping to conclusions. I can name just as many, if not more, more faults in CoD, Killzone, Halo or other FPS titles.
Reviewers are idiots in my opinion. For instance, check out these 2 reviews from a single site GameCritics.com Titanfall - scored 85 on Metacritic by these guys http://www.gamecritics.com/... Destiny - scored 45 on metacritic by these guys http://www.gamecritics.com/... Now, what I want you to look at the complaints about Destiny by these guys: - They call it unfinished. - Complain about lack of campaign - Complain about lack of story - Lack of character customization There is no argument that Titanfall is worse than Destiny in each of those areas. So, how the fuck are the scores so dramatically different?
It's a stupid system, if destiny was a straight forward shooting game it would receive much better reviews. But because it tried to do something different it got punished. I think people are forgetting its a regular $60 game, most games with the same price have like 40% of the content and no innovation whatsoever, they aim low and get good scores for meeting their low targets.
It's got more to do with the fact that you can't really compare them. They both do their own thing, despite both being in the first person perspective. Titanfall did what it wanted to do correctly, and really well, Destiny fell short. That's literally the only thing I can tell you.
@Schnooze Who gets to decide "what it wanted to do"? Even with that said, I still don't agree with you. Titanfall set to be an extremely limited PVP game. Yes, it accomplished that. So, it deserves a good score? If that game cost $20, then I could see your point.
@Kurruptor Well, the game Dev gets to decide what it wants to do. Titanfall set out to be a first person shooter, with some things added to spice it up and make it fun, and it sure as shit did that. That's why I'd rate it high, because for itself it delivered what was promised and did it well. Destiny isn't something you can compare by score to another game. Think of it this way, you can't go around comparing games' review scores because it is subjective to what each game wanted to accomplish and deliver. Destiny didn't deliver, sadly, and was a fairly significant disappointment for me and many others due to what Bungie had promised and hoped to deliver, which I believe justifies it's score. The gameplay was solid, there wasn't anything wrong with it, but it didn't do what it wanted to do, it wasn't something that I could get invested in emotionally with it's non-existent, or rather, non-ingame story. The art style was gorgeous, and I could've stared at it all day, but I didn't because I need more motivation to play a game than fancy scenery, lol. I'd be willing to continue discussing over PM, due to N4G's silly bubble system limiting responses.
No need to continue discussing, we just have different viewpoints. I could careless what anyone thought the game was supposed to be. I can only judge it for what we were given and in my opinion it far surpasses any other game released on the PS4 except for maybe the Last of Us. It has more content and a variety of things that most games. I haven't played a game this much before in the first two weeks. I work from home and I've been playing it on my lunch break, I've never done that before with another game.
I certainly did not till article 5,000 showed up .
It's already sold a bazillion copies, it hasn't failed, get over it.
You sound proud of the fact that millions of people have rewarded Activision for getting Bungie to strip the game as bare as possible to sell the rest of it as DLC. You are proud of the precedent this is setting? Some people though ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Not proud of anything just merely stating a fact. I'm a gamer too, you think I'm happy about getting half a game and paying for DLC to get the rest?
this "striped"game is one of the most content heavy FPS games ever, sorry
*"stripped" That content certainly didn't go into making a cohesive story or varied mission types. It just feels like one big horde/firefight mode.
Like NewMonday said, Destiny has more content than any other FPS ever. Plus, it is still releasing content every week FOR FREE.
Because it sets the stage for greedy companies to release unfinished games so that they can then nickel and dime consumers. This is Activisions doing.
Rubbish. There's more game in Destiny than many titles. I've put in over 20 hours and still have more to do. I've barely touched PvP at all. That's great value for money even if I never buy another expansion (but I will, and have already paid for the first 2). We always knew Bungie was going to release a LOT of extra content, but what we have is solid and complete right now.
if it was at least fun i wouldn't have a problem.
2problems with title. People aren't rooting for it to fail And it didn't fail, it just didn't reach expectations
Rooting certainly means a different thing in Australia lol. Why are we having sex? to help Destiny fail LETS ROOT..
its not just destiny, we are living in a world where we want everything that we dont like to fail. person A doesnt like cod, he wants that game to end by failing. person B is a console Z fanboy, he wants consoleY to fail. etc... its mainly the internet which is causing all these negativity. sadly we like to complain about things more then we like to compliment things and people read these comments and think its what everyone thinks.
A good portion of gamer's are some of the bitchiest people on earth. Negative, Cinical, Hateful. Makes you wonder if they enjoy anything or that the only thing they enjoy is bitching.
a lot pf that, plus the internet likes to moan/criticise about things. think about the youtube game critics, they like to post more bad games then actual good ones. criticise and nitpick on the smallest details for entertainment purposes. not saying thay are not fun to watch though. i was a big fan of avgn, angry joe, yahtzee, marcus beer.
Those people are often wrong as much as they are right,but I've enjoyed them some of the time, only thing, being the kind of critics they are (overly critical sometimes), they get real whiny when they get criticized.
Can we stop with the Destiny articles...... If you enjoy it be comfortable with that, I would rather see some actual gaming news as opposed to opinion pieces based on personal preference and taste.
So, outside of Gamergate (a manufactured ploy to distract people from Zoe Quinn's infidelity to get ahead on her game) and Destiny launching, do you see any other big headlines happening in the gaming world right now?
The problem is "compromisers", people who have agendas and wont just let the Truth be what it is....There was a review embargo..why? because the Interactive Entertainment Industry had an agenda to keep consumers from sharing their honest opinions about Destiny thereby affecting potential sales. The very title to this article is and titles like it are what create outrage, its like some mind trick trying to convince everyone that there rooting against something unfairly and not for good reasons. Everything in the media is about trying to manipulate and break people down psychologically to think the way the media would like you too. Destiny deserves to be criticized, it didn't even come close to the hype that the Industry meaning so called journalist, and people inside the Industry in general heaped upon it. Critical thinking is under attack and being replaced with this Hive Mind BS, people are too sensitive & can't handle differences of opinion, gamers defend there choice to purchase Destiny cause it got average scores and people are criticizing the final product....??? really why cant you just enjoy the game WHILE ACCEPTING THE FACT THAT DESTINY IS JUST AVERAGE. Why is Destiny just average? that's a question only Activision and Bungie can answer, but to attempt to BRAINWASH someone into seeing something other than the TRUTH, this is what creates "The rooting against" Destiny. AND!!! guess who fault that is.....so called journalist who are neck deep in compromise, saying and doing whatever the corrupt Interactive Entertainment Industry tells them to say. You guys meaning those who work inside the Industry have ALWAYS BEEN THE PROBLEM, not the consumers, make a great gaming experience, deliver on your boasting, and you'll be praised for it, ie: TLOU etc. Deliver an average game while hyping it like its the 2nd Coming of Jesus and you'll be scorned mocked and create hate, and vile cause people don't like being lied to, purposefully misled, disappointed or let down. Its simple, but the Industry has an agenda, and then having the audacity to attempt to make everything seem like its our fault, the consumers. just makes me sick, you people in the Industry have no shame and no honor. and your wicked on top of it.
the biggest problem for reviewing games like destiny is that it is heavily focused on multiplayer experiences. what i gathered from the destiny alpha was that it was a decent platform for shooting mechanics, free roaming was fun. now its upto the players to experience this world with friends and see if they enjoy it. i can understand why some people would love this, place to hang around with friends and shoot things whilst exploring, but what i hear, this game does not have enough content to stand on its own yet.
And, I'm sorry to say, your comment is part of the problem. You're making an opinion out to be absolute fact, and slamming anyone who doesn't share your opinion AS fact. Just because you didn't like something doesn't necessarily mean someone else will see it the same way. You're treating anyone who likes it as having been "brainwashed" by the people making it. How have they been brainwashed? They just liked a game you didn't. No one is saying the game is perfect, and neither is this article if you chose to actually read it instead of knee jerking. MMO's are NEVER going to get it perfect the day they come out (did we forget that this is a game that is meant to be one and meant to be expanded upon on a regular basis?). It's as if we completely relinquished the fact that the genre is out there, people play them, and invest several months into them. MMOs are an entirely different animal from any other genre because it depends on social aspects and keeping up with endgame activities to keep people invested in the game. You CANNOT treat it like a single player game, and so far, people have been. There's no way you can do it because that's not what the game IS at its core. If they did that with games like WoW, FF11, hell, even Everquest, the MMO genre would be dead, and we would've never have gotten Destiny. MMO's can grow, develop, be changed over time by those that are willing to support the game post-launch, which this game clearly is. It's okay that you don't like it. But stop complaining that there are people that are willing to give it a chance, and stop trying to tell people that they are horrible human beings for liking it (seriously, what's the point and gain from doing something like that). The amount of disagrees that people are throwing around to comments on this very article just shows that the person who wrote this article is onto something about how polarized and throat cutting the gaming community has become.
How can anyone root for something that has already failed to deliver? That's like rooting for a football team to lose when it lost the game.
If losing the game wins you $325 million dollars in sales in the first week, what the hell does winning look like?
I feel a lot of the hate of Destiny comes from people that really like Halo. Or people who are PC and don't like consoles (I'm a PC gamer and PS4 gamer).
Any high profile videogame that receives more attention than it should, is going to attract a bunch of trolls who want the game to fail. This isn't anything new. These people are in the minority, and should be ignored. The majority of criticisms for this game are from people who expected it to be good. Seems like this author can't accept the fact that many people are dissapointed with a game that he likes, so he tries to lump them in with a bunch of trolls.
am l the only one who hated their crappy character creator menu to hell? you couldn't rotate your camera so you can't see how bad of a hairstyle you really have until you're in game... also the skin tones on the humans is so astonishingly small. Try to make a female not look like a man in a wig and a swelled up lower lip, lol the main reason l'm annoyed at this game is that it cost so much yet l can't see where the money went to.
The Beta sucked, and I am not going to spend 40+ hours of my life playing and waiting for this game to not suck. If you enjoy this game, congrats! The majority of people defending this expensive turd are PS4 owners because they see it as an exclusive.
some people seriously get pissed if you say you enjoy Destiny. I don't understand the hate it's getting. Edit. Wow, I just read strangeaeon's comment on the matter. I guess only PS4 owners are defending it because they see it as an exclusive. So do X1 fans crap on it because they are mad that the X1 didn't get exclusive marketing? pttf.
Read my post, I said "majority" not "only", which makes sense being that Destiny is selling more to PS4 owners due to 2x the installed base. And no, I am not mad at all, hell let it go full exclusive for all care.
The game just sucks. END
Only a fool would want Destiny to fail.Everyone loves a new IP.But when it's limited it pisses people off.I love and despise Destiny.It really is a shame there wasn't enough variety to keep things fresh.
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