Several prominent gaming journalists across America are part of a secret mailing list on which they discuss what to cover, what to ignore, and what approach their coverage should take to breaking news, Breitbart can reveal.
This is from an actual news site... I'm sure N4G is on this list, so this will be interesting...
Well I don't want to point fingers but considering the fact we get told constantly that we are a community and because of that we get to have a say in what gets approved on here and what fails...why is it Kotaku who users on here have been down voting for years haven't been banned yet I mean surely with the amount of times users have hit that Story quality/Like this website tab to down vote them they should of been gone ages ago. I'm sorry but it's not crazy to thing they have something going on with Kotaku. Especially with all these shady going ons with other sites latley Now again people might say "Well why add their stories if you are against them", something I've done myself I'll admit...the easiest answer is that people do it because it's there...if you don't add them for points towards your rank then someone else is going to do it because Kotaku is allowed. If you see a bit of news then despite where it's come from you'll add it. Certain users on here seem to always have the big news covered and big news so obviously people are going to add small time stuff from whatever website it's from. I hope this gets max coverage on here, and becomes a hot topic..not because I added the story but to show as many people as possible what's gone on.
@dcbronco wth are you talking about? Your comment has nothing to do with the subject.
I agree, only the one above knows how many times I have down voted Kotaku and yet I still see articles from them on N4G. Been wanting this for awhile and I don't know if you agree on this point or not, but with the recent Destiny low reviews from most major gaming media sites (for the same reasons other games lack or lacking even more, yet those games gets a free pass) I want the whole games media to be exposed and put on blast.
And this ladies and gentleman, is why the gaming media has come down hard on Destiny. Bitter journalists frustrated that they don't get to play the game before the general public does, and as such we suddenly start seeing very low scores from most major sites, obviously from mutual agreement amongst members of the press to punish Bungie/Activision.
@ dcbronco Wow. It seems some people can't talk about any subject without turning it into some fanboy crap.
@ dcbronco bro you went way out of context, I should vote you down for off topic. where is the proof that all sites are pro Sony? Anyway this is about shoddy dirty journalism where they no longer report news as they are, rather they get filtered first by a selected few who think they know best. Its like they are dictating what we gamers should know and what we shouldnt WTF?!? who gave these scum that kind of authority? I love it when corruption gets exposed
I'm not turning anything into fanboy crap. This site is basically run by uninformed children. This whole story is a nonissue. Read something other than gaming sites for a change. This site is built on bias. Take that away and the site will disappear. Don't whine because the subject bias goes against your interest. If you don't like bias, speak out about it all of the time. If the truth is really important to you, read articles and comments and judge them fairly. If the writers and editors are mostly biased so what. Eighty percent of the comments are too.
Well lets be honest, the reason why so many want Kotaku or Polygon banned is because of this notion that those sites are pro Xbox and paid by MS. I have never read any of that anywhere else until I got to this site. If we just start banning sites just because they don't favor your console of choice half the time then what's the use of hearing the other voice? The one that has a second not so fluffy opinion of the majority's favorite. It's a slippery slope when the community starts banning sites because they don't like the way they reviewed a game or gave another a higher score, has a less than popular opinion, gives praises to a console not well liked by the majority.
@shin To be fair, this entire site is little more than fanboy crap.
Congrats on getting this back up! I'm disgusted it was taken down in the first place, but not quite as disgusted as I am with those journos in the mailing list...
"Maybe we should get a public letter of support going around decrying these kinds of personal attacks, signed by as many sympathetic journalists/developers as we can," he wrote. "Maybe we should just use this as an excuse to give more attention to her work... I know I've been meaning to review Depression Quest since its Steam release."" Wow. Just goddamn wow. They ironically shit on everyone who supports GamerGate hashtag for being tinfoil hat wearing morons who are being controlled by 5-6 guys on a random 4chan IRC channel, yet they themselves indulge in conspiracy theory level shit like this to divert attention from corruption issue? So much for the goddamn journalistic integrity... Edit: From author's Twitter; "Milo Yiannopoulos @Nero · 5m A word of caution to list members: I've seen a lot more than we've published so far. So be careful with those denials. #GamerGate" https://twitter.com/Nero/st... IT'S HAPPENING!
Milo Yiannopoulos is fantastic with this work Not surprising though with his reasons on doing all this for gaming. Apparently he finds it ridiculous that games journalism is in this state despite how easy it is, you know for someone like him who's done actual journalism and hard work on more serious topics. It's like someone who has run their own business for years with all the stress and late nights only to go back to an average, standard job in retail part time where you see lazy people moaning about the smallest things.
Well this pretty much explains the whole "gamers are dead" articles all popping up at the same time. This shits got to go, I'm sick and tired of these "journalist" who think they are on the high moral ground.
an actual journalist in the gaming industry ? unseen/heard before ! must be a witch ! BURN THE WITCH ALL THE WITCHES !! !
N4G doesn't do journalism, we don't make news, so that would be impossible. N4G is just an aggregation site, we don't even have domain emails (ie: [email protected] doens't exist) @Fox - sites don't get banned b/c people don't like them. Plagiarism is basically the only reason. edit: you guys are free to believe what you want, but facts are facts.
LOL...you think it's just because people don't like them willy nilly. People over the years have said why they don't like sites like Kotaku They've been exposed a load of times at making stuff up, exaggerate topics, create useless flamebait articles. I mean I don't know what else counts But no...keep telling yourself we want them gone because "we don't like them".
N4G Mods can still fail articles it doesn't agree with. Not like there is a reason put next to the mods name when they fail an article. Than whats the point of voting on a site rating or story quality? How does this at all impact anything?
"N4G is just an aggregation site..." Not true. The day #GamerGate took place, story approved and online, that story was unapproved and censored by a moderator. Subsequent #GamerGate stories were killed immediately with no reason on that day.
@Fox - the reasons for your proposed banning don't matter unless they involve plagiarism/theft. @ghost - uh...no. Cat would de-mod someone so fast if that actually happened. And I'm not sure exactly what you're saying, but there is always a reason for a story failing. Voting affects the site rating, which can in turn hide opinion pieces and rumors under the content filter (the little drop down above the story type in the front page news feed). Next Q is why isn't X site under the filter: b/c people don't vote like you think they do I guess. @mak - N4G still didn't make the news. N4G is just an aggregation site, so it's still true. I didn't see it and I don't really care about #gamergate as I don't even know what it is. I just play games and I don't really care about stuff like that. I'm sure there was some reason, but I wasn't involved so I couldn't really say.
Fair enough, it might be "just an aggregation site..." but that assumes there isn't a moderator who can censor stories. The point I'm making is, on that day all #GamerGate stories on N4G were censored by a moderator. They were censored here, on NeoGaf and every other large gaming site. EDIT: I'm sure they're on this list as well as they got the memo to censor everything related to #GamerGate on that day. EDITV2: Story gone with a 404 error... Completely killed/Wiped/Deleted. So I shouldn't have said "Unapproved" I should have said the story was flat out deleted by N4G. So when someone flat out deletes a story then yes, there is "more happening" behind the scenes.
idk what to tell you other than that I wasn't involved with it so I don't really know. Also, damn you for making me google gamergate, I'd really rather have not. All I could really say is I'm sure there was a noted reason and said mod thought they were doing the right thing per N4G's rules. We don't get emails from anyone saying do this or don't do that. People seem to think there is a lot more behind the scenes here than there really is. We're literally just users with more site privileges. Edit: @edit, lol, really? Whom did this memo come from and what email did they send it to, because we don't have official emails. I have 2 email addy's, work and personal, neither get anything N4G related sent to them. If you choose to just strait disbelieve me then that's you're choice, but that doesn't make it correct. Feel free to PM me if you'd like more Q's answered as you're out of bubs.
Emilio if that is true then what the hell is the story quality tab for I've heard by other mods that it's for removing sites which we as a community find to be bad quality. Now your saying it sites only get banned if they do one of TWO things. I'm sorry but I really think you guys don't seem to know yourself how this site works. One mod says this, the other says that. So basically in a way that story quality tab is to just give us the illusion that we have a say on this site.
@foxy: You've incorrectly determined what 'removed' means, that's not a mods fault. It would remove it from the front page header and hide the story unless you have the filter turned off. No one told you the site would be banned, you assumed that incorrectly. We all know how it works, it appears you're the one who doesn't. Sites only get banned for plagiarism, we're not going to just ban sites all willy nilly, that would be completely unfair and against N4G's all inclusive ideas. We've all seen how bubbles work and how heat works with the user base. The last thing we need is to let the community decide who to ban. Edit: preaching to the choir, everyone knows the shortcomings and hopefully the next version of N4G addresses them all. I can see the light at the end of the tunnel, even if it's dim.
"We've all seen how bubbles work and how heat works with the user base. The last thing we need is to let the community decide who to ban." AMEN! We already have the community marking people as trolls for stating an opinion that goes against the popular majority. I can only imagine the horror if this same community was able to truly control which stories or websites were allowed on here too.
@Emilio Scroll down to where it talks about N4G, or just ctrl+f N4G. http://knowyourmeme.com/mem... I've noticed a lot of news around gamergate rarely getting through on this site. I'm not saying you are the one behind it, but I just find it weird that something this important is kept in the dark.
So...there's a few angles here as is the case with most 'controversial' stories here on N4G. Nothing is ever black and white. 1 - the link was broken at the time, that gets other stories failed so why not this one? (rhetorical) 2 - a report on the story: 'Making web traffic out of somebody's depression-fuelled break-up on the basis of one-sided allegations' - I feel this is very true. Grounds for failing? Probably not, but I think you walk a very fine line when you're talking about real people and allegations of this nature, especially from an ex. Would you want everyone to just believe and accept as fact everything your ex said about you on the internet after a breakup? (rhetorical) 3 - Generally we don't allow stories about gaming sites, this isn't news for gaming site enthusiasts. It's grey, but I've seen multiple articles about X site changing policies which were rightly failed as it doesn't matter to anyone but frequenters to said site. 4 - I think generally that article was failed on 2 basis' - The broken link and the fact this info was all based off a jilt-ed ex lovers internet posts. It's hardly a reliable source imo. Thank you for taking the time to find that viper. I like how that site said 'N4G has not made a public statement on why the article was removed.' - We don't have a PR person/company, if they wanted to see why all they'd have to do is be a contributor and look at the story. I didn't know we needed to do that -_O_- I would also like to note that I don't think what happened with this story was 'right' or 'wrong'. Like I said above, we're just normal users with extra privileges. Everyone thinks it's so easy to make these calls when they happen. Every new mod thinks they can change the world with a few clicks and decisions. The truth is that being the one that has to make the call is really tough sometimes and we all just try do what N4G's rules dictate to the best of our abilities. No one says a word if we get it right. Maybe this was handled wrong, maybe it wasn't. I honestly couldn't say and I'm glad I didn't have to make that call. If people would just look at things in a realistic manner things around here, things would make a lot more sense. Also: sorry for the novel, it wasn't even simple to explain *facepalm*
@Emilio No problem, I found it funny how the site says N4G is a rumor site. On your 2nd point I do agree that its not right to talk about someones private sex life and make it public. But there is a reason why this deserves to be talked about, the people who she had sexual relations with is a direct conflict of interest as they are part of the game industry. Also it's not an alleged affair as one of the accused admitted to do the act and this was all screen capped on a FB conversation, her confessing to her ex in guilt. Another point I'd like to bring up is that many people including yourself do not like the fact that her sex life became public. Even Kotaku themselves have said anyone talking about this is not welcomed to the site and will be banned. I find that very hypocritical of them to make such a statement, seeing as they ran articles of rape allegations on Max Tremkin (creator of Cards Against Humanity) even though the allegation was false. They still spun the story as him being a rapist. That story was also published on N4G and wasn't taken down. I can't find the original submitted article but here's a similar one talking about it that got through the submission process. http://n4g.com/news/1550210...
***N4G Mods can still fail articles it doesn't agree with.*** Nah, we fail posts that we feel do not abide by our rules. If I was to fail articles I don't agree with, you'd never see a Kinect/Move/similar gimmick story on N4G ever. ***Not true. The day #GamerGate took place, story approved and online, that story was unapproved and censored by a moderator. *** Emilio wasn't involved in that but I did review and approve of the action. The reason it was removed was because, at the time, it was all accusations and hearsay on a topic of one's choice in sleeping partner. That had nothing to do with gaming and just dragging a person through the mud. So, in the interest in not becoming a site that promotes rumor mongering about someone's personal life, it was removed. What is funny is that only one such article was removed and yet hundreds of opinion pieces and follow-up submissions related to the topic were allowed solely because they were A) about gaming and B) did not solely just drag a person's personal life through the mud. Yet, we only get complained to for a single submission, not recognized that stories to this date are still being posted about the topic.
It would be. But it would be interesting to know how many commenters actually read the comment before posting... There's nothing on those messages different than what we do here in the comments, just people talking about the s*** that hit the fan. There's no scheming, no agenda, NOTHING related to what the author made up! This article is such a scandal made of nothing... Please, before replying to this comment, take the time to read the prints filled with the same casual talk about the same stuff we talk here.
What you're missing in all this is why do these sites need to organize stories when they ate all COMPETING against one another It's like two rival football teams chatting online about their game plan....you just wouldn't unless there's something going on
@Foxtrot if you believe the conspiracy theory its more like a wrestler whispering his next move into his opponents ear
Did people actually think these journalists all live in a vacuum and don't talk to one another on this kind of level? It's not a hive mind mentality (although breitbart would have us believe that) but pretty clear gaming journalism circles are very connected and that at times has certainly flavored more than a few reviews in one direction or another as they discuss things. But you can say with a degree of certainty that same kind of conversation takes place internally at the game sites since often people in the work place will discuss their thoughts on a project with a fellow co-worker and that feedback could change a viewpoint. edit: and I know my attitude towards this isn't going to be the popular view but honestly i am tired of it. I am tired of reading about fanboys, gamergate, personal attacks, and lack of review integrity... I just really want to read and watch coverage of games.
The problem isn't so much "The List" IMO, it is the use of the list. They're using it to push agendas, in this case, not covering/censoring a story. Using a list to communicate to every major gaming site and tell these sites not to cover a story is wrong.
Actually the problem is that gaming journalism isn't journalism. Its an industry that effectively is made up of enthusiasts with no actual journalism background. I have no doubt that 99% of all the gaming journalists in the major sites would be laughed out of the offices of an actual News organization if they applied. Somehow we came to view these people as "trained reporters of the gaming news" when in reality the majority are just trained to repeat what they see and hear. There is no actual reporting, no verifying sources and no actual code of ethics. They have agendas just like those commenting in threads often do ( I will even include myself as I am not perfect). But they have access to coverage and because of that we listen more than we probably should.
I didn't use the word journalist, you did. I instead indicated the wrong doing of these individuals/gaming sites.
Agreed, lets put away the tinfoil hats people. The gaming community is too incendiary as it is, clickbait and blatant flaming is getting ridiculous. Lets just stick to the games
Yeah, let's just stick to the games they choose to let us know about right.
@killacal13 You think "they" are hiding games from us?
yeah let them decide for us what news we should know about right ?
They outright say that they're going to decide what we need to know. This is neither a conspiracy nor flamebait. This is documented proof. No tinfoil hat necessary.
D-did you even read the emails that got exposed? They literally admit to manipulating the gaming media.
And who is forcing you to read this or stopping you from "...read and watch coverage of games."
Nobody is and its a fair comment from you. I saw the article, and I chose to read it and came away disappointed by what I read on a few levels. Most notably that these stories dominate our headlines these days vs things like videos of game play on upcoming games.
Yeah I totally agree. I just want game press and game discussion not trolling fanboyism down votes, biased article voting, and all this other nonsense.
You don't seem to understand what's at stake here. There is a political minded group of individuals trying to hijack gaming for their own ends by pushing a sociopolitical agenda. They want gaming to turn into some sort of "academia" for intellectuals (whatever the heck that means). THEY HAVE colluded to push games like Gone Home and Depression Quest (and for the longest I didn't even know what DQ was until recently and it turns out it's not even a game... like WTF?) You can say you don't care and you're tired, but what happens when they come for the games you like? What happens when #GG subsides and you're left with media heavily pushing games that fit their agenda? What happens when games get censored or altered to fit in line with what they want? THAT is what they're doing. The e-mails only scratch the surface, I should know because I'm also on that list (I got in when they went over my head to try to get certain articles on Gaming Blend altered... I still don't know who the beta-male douche was who went and complained to the managers). These people are NOT your friends, they don't have your interest in gaming in mind, and for more than a year (just Google up DiGRA and Silverstring Media) they've been planning to "kill the gamer" identity. You not caring today will affect the games you play for tomorrow's future. Choose to ignore it at your discretion. Peace.
Lol. Am I surprised? No. Conspiracies are all around us, people. A conspiracy is simply a concerted plan. This is a conspiracy if I've ever seen one. Above all, I hope that this makes the 'gaming community' realize that we aren't a community at all. 'Community' in this context is just a word thrown around to grant certain individuals, such as gaming journalists, a sense of power and authority. They're all playing on your desire to belong and to be just, people.
Sir, I hadn't seen your comment as I wrote mine, please check mine out, I think we can assume that somethings just get downplayed or the opposite for bigger reasons than the obvious.
I was just saying how there could be agendas for destiny getting such low scores all around. I don't think the game is a masterpiece, but a [email protected] 6/10, you gotta be joking, I think if it was on a particular green logoed platform exclusively, it would've got better scores, because a certain company doesn't want destiny to step on another franchise's toes. Just saying, just because people ridicule you for seeing something doesn't mean it's not real.
It's certainly possible in light of this revelation. I haven't played Destiny but I'm not impressed with it from what I've seen. A 6/10 is an abysmally low score nowadays, and from what I've seen/heard it isn't THAT bad. No personal experience though. But this news basically invalidates all implicating gaming 'journalists' and sites. Reviews, opinions, professed values, social crusades - all of it.
That's what I'm saying, we should judge things by ourselves, maybe reading user reviews and stuff but always having our own criteria for judging things like the individuals I hope we are. We are not sheep.
That's only kind of messed up but not wholly unexpected, of course these guys talk to each other. The worst part is them plotting with each other to control the narrative of games media, is it really to much to ask that a reporter rely on his own writing to convey his opinion or news without getting every one else in on it too? Is this just how game news operates now, decide what you want the truth to be and make sure everyone else that will push it does so? Whatever, I don't read these sites anyway and the last month has just given me more reasons to continue staying away.
wait....a super secret mailing list that shows that other gaming journalists *DEEP BREATH* TALK TO EACH OTHER!!!!HOLY S#&*# i cant believe it!!! I mean whats next Nintendo Employees playing PS4 or Xbone?!?!?!?OR EVEN WORSE.....PC GAMES!!! AHHHHHH RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!!!!!
It seems , that most people go to YOUTUBE for gaming info .
People piling up on the list should have their posting capabilities taken away. They're clearly not in it for the good of gaming, and reporting what's necessary to expose this kind of thing.
Another "smoking gun" for GamerGate. I'm surprised your not all dead of smoke inhalation yet.
Disgusting in so many ways, i'm still boycotting these pricks.
i thought jeff gerstmann just looks into the mirror in the morning then he and dr tracksuit decide that weeks news
This is just the tip of the iceberg. A lot more to come. Watch out for the connection between all of those corrupt glorified bloggers and Silverstring Media. Maya Kramer was the contact point responsible for spreading the fud and propaganda to all of the sites.
This confirms a lot, seems like the only way this will be finished is with a lot of layoffs. It's funny, it all started with a blog post detailing a scandal. Now it's borderline conspiracy, how deep will the rabbit hole go?
From what I've seen so far, a lot deeper than most people expect. There's way more involved than it seemed at first. There's a whole subculture of radical SJW's that attempt to influence a wide range of media and entertainment to spread their crap.At this point it depends on how far #gamergate goes, but right now it's causing backlash from radical feminists that are involved and are journalists for fashion magazines, PR people, etc. Someone posted a video on youtube of a SJW meeting that detailed a plan to influence several industries with their agenda. In any case, its all downhill from here. Stuff will hit the fan.
Reeks of Atheism+ and Freethoughtblogs.
Sickening if true.
I guess it's only a matter time, I hope these people lose everything.
This is like the Illuminati of gaming "journalism" These self proclaimed professionals should be sanctioned
People who do this are complete frauds and deserve to spend time in prison. We need more honest journalism in this industry.