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Promises, Promises: Sony PlayStation 3

Gamecyte writes: "Today, Sony revealed that they will finally provide the in-game XrossMediaBar functionality that was first demonstrated back in 2006, as well as the "trophy" achievement system promised in early 2007, as a part of their v2.4 software update for the PlayStation 3. They're not saying when it will arrive, but perhaps that's a wise choice; Sony doesn't exactly have a solid track record when it comes to keeping promises.

To be sure, we don't care if the PS3 can display at 120 frames-per-second or not. We'll forgive the lack of a second HDMI port and the built-in ethernet router, even though you snatched them right out from under our noses. But after factoring in the constant delays of Home and the faked Killzone 2 assets, we begin to wonder where else Sony might have pulled the wool over our eyes."

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Shadow Flare3652d ago (Edited 3652d ago )

These articles are so annoying

"PlayStation 3 is the only format that has 1080-progressive, which is the true definition of HD, so it’s really premature to be talking about the HD era. The HD era really only starts when we are on the market.” (Phil Harrison, President, Sony Computer Entertainment Worldwide Studios, 12/14/2005)"

-At the time it was certainly true and to some extent is still true since ps3 already has a few titles which are *native 1080p whereas most if not all xbox 360 "1080p" titles are *upscaled. PS3 is more capable of producing native titles because it doesn't have to upscale due to the amount of data bluray can hold. Gran Turismo 5 is already a great example of just how good 1080p native can look.

"“We prioritize a nice smooth framerate over a different res. Personally, I don’t really buy the whole thing. People did the same with Call of Duty, they did the same with Halo, and they say with those games ‘It’s not running at true HD!’ And it’s like, I don’t care. If the game looks good and it runs smoothly, those are the important things to me.” (Derek Littlewood, Creative Lead, Free Radical, confirming that Haze actually runs at 576p, 5/18/08)"

They also used examples like COD4, MGO and GTA4. Here's a secret. None of them are from first party developers, and second/third party developers don't usually produce games to the quality of first party developers. But the general lining is, most games on ps3 actually are 720p or better, but theres an awful lot more on 360 which are sub-720p and are upscaled. And that's 360's FIRST party titles for crying out loud

"“PlayStation 3, I think, is going to be cheaper to develop for than the corresponding period of PS2 development.” (Phil Harrison, Executive Vice President of Development, Sony Computer Entertainment Europe, 5/19/05)"

Don't know myself tbh, and that statement sounds a bit weird. But we're only around a year and a half into the ps3's life so don't judge now

....I just realised there are tons of those quotes in the article; i don't have time to run through them all. I'll end by stating, some of the things sony took out at the start of ps3's life was done for cost-reducing reasons so as not to make the ps3 anymore expensive. And there's an awful lot of things that when consumers complain, Sony has gone out there way to fix: Rumble, price cut, boomerang controller, in-game xmb, trophies, a good and functional online service (which is FREE). Sony do alot more important rights then have done major wrongs in my opinion. And at the end of the day, ps3 is a beast of a machine, and we're getting beasts of games right now. Im really happy with my ps3

Mc Fadge3652d ago

Very good comment <3

I didn't mind the boomerang controller, it may have been more comfy I think, just looked ugly :P

juuken3652d ago

They ARE annoying.

This is just like Home.

'Oh, where's Home? Sony promised Home and it's not here! Where is it! Oh my, where is it?!'

Do these people have lives outside of taking a dump on Sony?

marinelife93652d ago

I'm content with what my PS3 can do right now. The games I can play and the huge amount of features I have at my disposal. All the new stuff coming down the pipeline is just gravy.

Isn't it funny you don't find most PS3 owners concerned about broken promises? Then where could all this negativity be coming from?? hmmmm

Gam713652d ago (Edited 3652d ago )

"At the time it was certainly true and to some extent is still true since ps3 already has a few titles which are *native 1080p whereas most if not all xbox 360 "1080p" titles are *upscaled."

Thats not entirely true as every 360 game can be upscaled whereas thats not true for ps3. Yes the ps3 has more 1080p native but the 360 has that as well. Also a there are ps3 games than aren't or weren't 1080i or could be displayed on 720p tv's
http://www.engadget.com/200...
http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News...
so if the hd era only started when they arrived why can't their games be used on ALL hd tv's like with a 360?

PS3 is more capable of producing native titles because it doesn't have to upscale due to the amount of data bluray can hold. Gran Turismo 5 is already a great example of just how good 1080p native can look.

I heard gt5p isn't native (but is 1080p)
http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News...
Just one of many sites showing it.

They also used examples like COD4, MGO and GTA4. Here's a secret. None of them are from first party developers, and second/third party developers don't usually produce games to the quality of first party developers. But the general lining is, most games on ps3 actually are 720p or better, but theres an awful lot more on 360 which are sub-720p and are upscaled. And that's 360's FIRST party titles for crying out loud

Thats changed now though and third party games are a good indicator as those are on both consoles and given what people were promised about the ps3 it would blow the 360 away, so those games should have a higher res and frame rate than the 360 counterpart but the reverse is true and sonys comments on res (hd era) etc were a dig at the 360 in the first place.

""“PlayStation 3, I think, is going to be cheaper to develop for than the corresponding period of PS2 development.” (Phil Harrison, Executive Vice President of Development, Sony Computer Entertainment Europe, 5/19/05)"

Don't know myself tbh, and that statement sounds a bit weird. But we're only around a year and a half into the ps3's life so don't judge now"

I agree. If it's not cheaper than the ps2 I would put that down to the fact it cost more to develop this gen than the last. Same with xbox.

"Sony do alot more important rights then have done major wrongs in my opinion"
It hasn't been updated in a while
http://uk.gamespot.com/page...

I decided to respond to you as you seem capable or responding like an adult instead of lots of name calling, lies, mIxEd capS And LolOlOlOLZ That other ps3 fans give in their responses.

Lifendz3652d ago

I'm happy and I'm sure every PS3 owner is. My system's online is free, MGS4 is done in the system's second year (imagine what games will be a year from now), and PSN is free and getting better all the time. I'm happy. If you feel Sony didn't deliver then sell your PS3 and get a 360. I guarantee you that you'll come crawling back.

littletad3652d ago (Edited 3652d ago )

And thank god someone has the balls to say so. If that is what Sony loyalty is based on then I feel sorry for you sir.

@below

No it wasn't.

Lifendz3652d ago

if that comment was for me then allow me to say that I didn't say it was annoying, I said they're lame. I disregard half of the "news" on here but give me a break with all the tech articles about the PS3. I have eyes and my eyes have seen MGS4 and others. Seeing is believing. You can write about how the system is this and that but so long as Sony delivers the goods what is written means very little. Now pardon me as I go back to playing the most beautiful console game to date-MGS4.

PSN: Lifendz

vagina3652d ago (Edited 3652d ago )

"At the time it was certainly true and to some extent is still true since ps3 already has a few titles which are *native 1080p whereas most if not all xbox 360 "1080p" titles are *upscaled. PS3 is more capable of producing native titles because it doesn't have to upscale due to the amount of data bluray can hold. Gran Turismo 5 is already a great example of just how good 1080p native can look"

this just proves how much of a mindless tool you are... Storage has very little to do with graphic resolution. If someone wanted to they could store a game on an old floppy disk that renders at 1080p. Blu-ray DOES NOTHING other than hold the data. What you said is a dumb as saying my laptop with an inegrated gpu and a 320gb HDD has better graphics than my desktop with dual videocards and a 160gb HDD.

Also, anyone that agreed with that tool above me also shows they have no idea what on earth they are talking about they will just agree with anything pro-sony sounding. but i guess that is the nature of n4g, when you have "game" systems you are bound to have lots of dumb 13-17 year olds that don't know anything but think they know everything. twats.

Shadow Flare3652d ago (Edited 3652d ago )

toxic diarrhea, don't piss your long johns old man. I am aware that even a CD could hold like 10 minutes worth of 1080p footage. But a bluray disk can hold even more information.

So consider, 1080p takes up more data then 720p, yes? You following so far you retard? If a game like, say...whats one of the xbox 360's totally awesome Killer Apps coming on the 360 lately...oh yeah, Banjo 3. If Banjo 3 took up an entire dvd's worth of space purely with it's crap gameplay, then they won't be able to make it natively 1080p because there is no more room on that dvd for the extra data. Stick the same game on bluray, and you DO have more space to make it natively 1080p.

Its the exact same reason High-def movies aren't on DVD's but are on Bluray. So don't call me a tool just for sharing what i think is a valid opinion, and don't diss those that agreed with me you inbred babboon.

Prove me wrong, i beg you.

thesummerofgeorge3652d ago

These articles are lame. They speak as if they're speaking for all of us, as if ps3 owners got screwed... Not the case, regardless of the nasty sh!t he can think of to say about the company (yes sony and msoft have both made mistakes) I've never met a ps3 owner who is unhappy with their situation. In my opinion it's the best option there is out there for a console right now. I have no respect for unbalanced articles that trash any system, say both sides of the story, the good with the bad...

ravenguard883652d ago

I believe consumers have a right to expect honesty from the companies they shell their money out to. Unfortunately, most corporations don't play that game.

Honestly, I can't believe people are complaining that someone is standing up and pointing out dishonesty in a corporation.

"Well, they made us believe one thing, we gave them the money and now we're nothing we were promised has arrived.... Guess we should just blindly follow their lead instead of standing up for ourselves."

At least people aren't so idle about the Xbox 360 failures. Anything anywhere near this sort of event deserves the same harsh attitude, because our money isn't easily earned.

ThanatosDMC3652d ago

I totally agree with you. No one with a PS3 has complained about Sony's service or promises. I guess, it's just the ignorant and the envious that try to find faults.

vagina3652d ago

"So consider, 1080p takes up more data then 720p, yes? You following so far you retard? If a game like, say...whats one of the xbox 360's totally awesome Killer Apps coming on the 360 lately...oh yeah, Banjo 3. If Banjo 3 took up an entire dvd's worth of space purely with it's crap gameplay, then they won't be able to make it natively 1080p because there is no more room on that dvd for the extra data. Stick the same game on bluray, and you DO have more space to make it natively 1080p"

Well it seems every time you open your mouth you prove how dumb you are. Why don't you go look up the difference between Pre-rendered FMV and acctual in-game "native" resolutions and the amount of "diskspace" it takes to render an image in-engine in 1080p vs 720p. Then when you realize how far up your arse you head is come back and comment.

Like I said before, you are just a dumb 13-17 yr old that doesn't know anything, and untill you acctually know something you should keep your mouth shut.

Bob Dole3652d ago

You're an r-tard. Do you really have nothing better to do?

Not the Face3652d ago

do you have a life outside of defending ps3 everyday? nope.
your too young to be throwing your life away...read a book!

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MUNKYPOO3652d ago

someone obviously doesnt like the ps3

Mikelarry3652d ago (Edited 3652d ago )

that we dont like to know thier plans but tell us plans that you plan to fufil in 6 months a year maybe. not two years in advance.

Edit: comment was meant for 3.1

ravenguard883652d ago (Edited 3652d ago )

"Somebody obviously doesn't like the PS3"

They like their PS3 just fine, being screwed is what they don't like.

You know what happens to a company that doesn't follow through with a promise to it's stock-holders? The stock holders will drop support. Why? People are not trustworthy, ESPECIALLY not with money. What you do is who you are. Why should it be any different? Purchasing a product is much like investing in a company. Of course you won't throw it out the window and switch to a competitor, but why would you ever stand up for the stupid actions of the corporation?

I just don't get it. I guess people are sheep.

Edit: For those who ask "what do you get out of discussing something like this?" I answer: if you sit there and pat Sony on the back, they will simply make the same mistakes over and over. If it is known that this kind of crap will not be tolerated, they will have to change their ways or fail.

People aren't supposed to respect and fear the government or corporations, they government and corporations are supposed to respect and fear the people.

ThanatosDMC3652d ago

So you patted Microsoft on the back and became an oblivious hypocrite with your statement? M$ has a long list of broken promises, and do you like bending over for Steve Ballmer?

You trash talk the competition but never looked at the one you're supporting... sad... very sad.

Armyless3652d ago

Reading through some of your comments, it does appear that you think criticisms levelled at Sony are fair, and spend a great deal of time "defending" (maturely, I did note) Microsoft.

ravenguard883652d ago (Edited 3652d ago )

I may be able to forgive, but I do not forget. Though I have not personally had problems with my 360, I will be very cautious if I decide to purchase their next console due to manufacturing flaws.

I am sorry, but I don't think there was a single bit of defense for Microsoft in my statements, I even pointed out the flak they rightfully received for their faulty hardware.

This is a discussion about Sony. I would like you to honestly tell me that you personally believe that corporations should be forgiven for feeding us this crap, and that not only do you think it's right to sit on our hands, but it is right to stand up for these corporations as if they are naive children who didn't mean to tell a lie.

This is simply disgusting.

Edit: Please, clarify for me these statements I made defending Microsoft, I believe the only statement I made regarding Microsoft is to say that they received, and are still receiving what they deserve, that being a constant reminder of their faulty hardware.

Sony deserves no less of a harsh treatment.

THANATOS DMC: Forgive me for not discussing how I am absolutely FURIOUS that voice chat was not included in the compatibility update for Ghost Recon and Island Thunder. Forgive me for not directly relating everything I say about Sony to the equivilant Microsoft screw-up considering, of course, that this article is about Sony, and I did more than I would expect from others by even negatively bringing Microsoft into the discussion.

Most of all, thank you for the incredibly immature comment. Next time, why don't you try attacking somebody's position, rather than their character? Perhaps having a proper understanding of such a position could be useful in your writings as well.

Armyless3652d ago

I don't condone Thanatos' tone, this is usually the fallout. I glanced through your comment history and you do favor the 360, not that you shouldn't, but sensitivity is high on a "Sony = faulty" thread when the article is decidedly one-sided. Having read through more of the other responses on this thread, however, I discovered that there was a similar article about the 360 published 5 days ago. I didn't visit that article, my opinions about Microsoft products won't likely be swayed by a negative 360 hit piece.

ravenguard883652d ago

Then, we can agree :P

I tend to "favor" the 360 because in all honesty, all of the games I am interested in are on the platform with next to no exceptions, and I do believe Microsoft is doing a great job this generation with support for the system. But, that is no excuse for their pitfalls, in my books the biggest still being the hardware failures.

From a technical standpoint, the PS3 and 360 are clearly neck-in-neck, and I have no problem with the PS3 itself, but things like forcing developers to use BluRay (rather than leaving it as an option) bother me, but that's another discussion. The 360 not standard with a hard drive is a pretty big ball to drop as well.

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Fishy Fingers3652d ago

LOL... reading this article is like reading comments of "certain" N4G members.

Shadow Flare3652d ago

.....you mean like the couple of imbeciles below us?

morganfell3652d ago

One of the most basic tenants of the 360 promised by MS never came to fruition. The Marketplace was called that, Marketplace, not because MS could sell things there but be cause the USER would be able to. Well? We have been waiting for that longer that the X media bar.

gunnerheadboy3652d ago (Edited 3652d ago )

*cough* Xbot *cough*, Man it's cold today.

zapass3652d ago

is that even w/o these so called promised features, the PS3 owns the 360 hands down, nobody even contest it anymore.

the truth is, the 360 is such a POS that sony didn't even bother pushing the PS3 too hard cuz THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO. LOL!

OTOH, m$ had to push the 360 too hard as we all know :)

Pain3652d ago (Edited 3652d ago )

They are allowed to Shoot for the Moon in Promise. its how u Evolve thinking.

Said it before, I Rather have a company that shoot's for the moon then,one that shoots its self and copy's...

You American's so quick and rushed with things , Relax it will come. unless u a tweeny then u already spent like XBOX 2.

syanara3652d ago

why does pain never have any bubbles?

KLEPTOMANIAC3652d ago

i believe its because pain writes comments of low quality and zero value to this website.

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power of Green 3652d ago (Edited 3652d ago )

We already know this sh*t why post it this fud it only angers PS3 fanboys.

EDIT: you dissagreed and you people are trying to block 360 news I'll approve this...

DarkSniper3652d ago (Edited 3652d ago )

One promise that Sony has always fufilled is ensuring that each PlayStation console undergoes a solid 10 year product life cycle. Last generation technology such as PlayStation 2 is still obliterating Xbox 360 in sales. This accomplishment says a lot about the prestige and merit that Sony has with it's consumers.

PLAYSTATION®3 is the premiere choice when it comes to next generation gaming and multimedia. Dark Sniper has no remorse to the Microslaves who will soon commit virtual suicide once Xbox 360 waves the white flag.

$niper

LuHawk3652d ago

DARK Sniper is also a Hoe

Zhuk3652d ago (Edited 3652d ago )

Sony for years now has been all talk no substance when it comes to gaming and the PlayStation brand. They have always talked up their products by lying and misleading their consumers, promising everything from CG quality graphics to 120fps on their consoles, but in reality they failed to provide even basic functionalities that the Xbox 360 had nearly 3 years ago.

While it took years for Sony to have even basic functionality in their console, the Xbox 360 has taken significant strides to further extend its lead over the PS3 in terms of power, performance, features and functionality. It wont be until 2011 at least when Sony will get to where the Xbox 360 is today

Too little too late Sony, people already realize your lies and have decided that the Xbox 360 is the ultimate home entertainment device this generation.

power of Green 3652d ago

Sony sits back and waits for the competition to innovate for them this generation then they falsely announce dates to steal the competition's thunder using delays as an excuse when they fail to meet the announced dates knowing full well they were not ready assuming when they announce things they are anywhere close to being around the corner.

Fishy Fingers3652d ago

Dude, your comment is straight out of 2007, inject a little creativity into your rants.

Or at least make it less easy to rubbish them....

"Too little too late Sony, people already realize your lies and have decided that the Xbox 360 is the ultimate home entertainment device this generation. "

I guess that's why the PS3 is out selling the 360? Think dude.

BulletToothtony3652d ago

All this fun that i've been having i must've imagined it.. thank you so much..

power of Green 3652d ago (Edited 3652d ago )

My favorite was the PS3 launch itself.
Sony knew the PS3 was months from being ready but claimed the PS3 was going to launch the following Spring trailing the launch of the 360 to steal MSFT's thunder.

Loved the fictional incentives for waiting for PS3 Sony announced:

*PS3 is 4 or 5 times more powerful than the 360.

*PS3 launch games will be so advanced the PS3 launch games would be not obtainable the entire 360 life span.

These lies amoung others had millions apon millions of consumers waiting and to this day Sony is able to trick the public with that BULLSHIT.

Britjadg3652d ago (Edited 3652d ago )

assuming you buy into POG's BS, how is MS any different? they released a console a year early wtih some dubious problems that ultimately became RROD. if they had done the proper testing, 4 million gamers wouldn't have had to send their consoles back for repair / swap.

yeah sony fans are loyal, but 360 fans would have to be pretty damn dedicated to stick with a console thats hardware fails at almost every opportunity.

you also talk about the competition innovating for sony. last i checked 360 were bringing out their own wiimote and are still linked to a posssible 360 console w/ bluray.

bottom line POG is: stfu.

BulletToothtony3652d ago (Edited 3652d ago )

i've had a ps3 since launch day.. and i've played it every single day since.. you can get as angry as you want but is the truth the ps3 is actually fun.

The truth is that the games that usually show the power of each console are usually exclusives.. some people say ps3 can't run Gears of War, well we will never know because it's 360 only, ps3 fanboys say, Uncharted could never run in the 360,

i mean that's easy to say but we will never know because they are not making the game for the other console.

Bottom line dude.. just don't get so angry at sony, you ain't changing crap by getting angry and calling them lairs ..

Fishy Fingers3652d ago (Edited 3652d ago )

LOL... I honestly fear you have so sort of issue's bro, all you ever do is bash a cooperation and praise another.

Play the games dude, not the fanwars, regardless what you say about the PS3 it has some fantastic games (MGS possibly best ever) as does the 360, any real gamer lucky enough to afford both would own both.

Constantly ranting about one system and praising the other, either shows your insecurity or your jealousy. If you really only care about the 360, stick to 360 news, but please, your just making a clown out of yourself trolling. Even when you make valid points/comments no body cares as your reputation proceeds you.

We're all here for one reason dude, because we love games (not cooperations).

TerrorCell3652d ago

i never read anything about the PS3 all i had to go on was reputation. reputation allowed me the decision to immediately ebay my 360 when it came back from repairs for the second time. yes the 360 could have been great but for the failure rate. you may say blah blah blah they fixed that. but you rae truly delusional. the 360 still STILL suffers from RROD 3 years into its life cycle. i wonder if that has anything to do with the failing economy in the US of A???

PoSTedUP3652d ago (Edited 3652d ago )

very well spoken dogg. but gears can be played right now on a ps3 believe it or not(with same graphics and everything). 360 fans, dont get jealous, i honestly dont care about it but im only stating facts like i always do. if you want to know how just let me know and i will PM it to you. BTW its not just gears, its any pc game on your ps3.

pumpkinpunker3652d ago

Sony is a shady company. I don't know how anyone could have faith in a company that consistently doesn't live up to it's promises. And they promise so much more than any other console company.

How about this Sony? How about you don't show us any awesome cgi films of games allegedly in the works if they're not coming out by at least 2009 at the very latest? Just cause some jackass got the cool idea for a game and threw together a cgi film is no reason to announce it at the 2008 E3 if it will probably be cancelled in 2009.

At the heart of every sony droid's rants is the feeling of being let down by Sony. They hype so much that you just have to take everything with a grain of salt and hope for results.

power of Green 3652d ago (Edited 3652d ago )

I'll send in the 360 and will never get a PS3 it would bug the sh*t out of me to have the inferior console that is playing catch-up service wise to the competions and has a weak line-up.

I need the console thats leading the way not the one that has a company lieing about whats coming to it after they figure out what the close competition comes up with.

EDIT Below: Talking about ideas and innovations from this generation all my comments have been for PS3.

PS3 is built in the 360's image in all its core elements that make it Next-gen dumb dumb. Most of what PS3 does now and will do is because of the 360 from this gen not NES, PC or PS1 asshole, many of the things PS3 fanboys are waiting for are reactions to the 360.

Bad_Karma3652d ago

how the fvck can you sit there and say Sony waits for other to make the technology 1st and the steal it when Microsoft are renowned for doing just that ( NEWTON CONTROLLER ring any bells)and have been doing so since the company was founded . Dude you need to read up on the underhanded dealings of your beloved Microsoft before you start calling any other company.

pumpkinpunker3652d ago

Newton is still just a rumor.

Sony is outright stealing Xbox 360's achievements idea with their announced "trophy" firmware update that may happen next month or 2010. who knows.

Britjadg3652d ago

how is sony stealing anything?

if a company comes up with a good idea and choose to adopt it i dont see how improving a system is stealing others ideas? evolving technology is about making it as adaptable and accessible as it can be. what fuking makes me laugh about this whole argument is the sheer falicy's in logic.

you got guys saying sony "lies and are unrealiable",
then you've got guys saying they are "stealing the competitions ideas" to ultimately improve the system. Then to add injury to insult you've got other bots commenting on the fact games keep getting "delayed" because sony have the audacity to want to produce quality games. the least bots can do is make their minds up on what it is that sony has done so wrong to cut them so deeply.

juuken3652d ago (Edited 3652d ago )

...And MS is completely innocent right?
Zhuk, kindly shut the hell up. You sound like a freakin' mindless robot.

And stop imitating Dark Sniper.

Oh dear, and there goes PoG again, trying to convince everyone that the 360 is teh bessssstest!1111

Awwwww, isn't that cute?

karlostomy3652d ago

The legend returns to kick ass.

zapass3652d ago

the 360 buffoon collective is getting more desperate by the day.
they don't make any sense but it's a lot of fun to read xD

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