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ICE Team Dev: PS4 Is No Longer Top of the Line Hardware But That Does Not Relate To Games Quality

Cort Stratton is a programmer at Naughty Dog and is also a member of Sony's ICE team. Helooks after PS4's GPU driver / graphics API and as such he knows the ins and outs of the hardware.

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Big_Game_Hunters1128d ago

As a PC gamer i have to ask, was it ever? and as a Nintendo fan i agree, you don't need top hardware to have the best games. Look at Mario Galaxy, 1 and 2 are the highest rated exclusives of last GEN... all on 72MB of ram.

I just wish everyone would stop focusing on graphics and start focusing on gameplay.

Future_20151128d ago

I have heard a lot of "beast" comments on the PS4, it has a tablet CPU

Big_Game_Hunters1128d ago

Yeah but i mean... oh well.those are Sony fanboys, can't do anything about it. The games look fine, The order looks great visually, but then my second point comes up.

The_Infected1128d ago (Edited 1128d ago )

@Future_2015

What a ridiculous comment. I know you're a PC fanboy but try harder next time.

http://giant.gfycat.com/Clu...

XBLSkull1128d ago

Not even in the concept or design phase was the PS4 top of the line hardware lol, you make that sacrifice when you choose to put out a console in a 4-500 price range lol. Funny that at one point this ICE member thought it was top of the line.

colonel1791128d ago

Since when is a console better than a PC when it releases. The PS3 was different, but I don't think it was still more powerful than PCs of the time.

@XBLSKull

"you make that sacrifice when you choose to put out a console in a 4-500 price range"

Can you blame them? Look what happened with the PS3. Look at what's happening with the Xbox One. It won't matter if the console is the most powerful machine in existence. People won't pay for it.

gootimes1128d ago (Edited 1128d ago )

@XBLSkull
Of course they will talk up the PS4 hardware, they are part of Sony. But at least they can admit it has faults, without throwing secret sauce talk around and stuff.

@Big_Game_Hunters

"The games look fine" Uncharted looks the be the greatest looking game visually I have ever seen. That has less to do with hardware, and more to do with ND being magicians.

And about your second point "I just wish everyone would stop focusing on graphics and start focusing on gameplay"

It's actually the PC enthusiasts that started the graphics obsession, always needing the top of the line hardware to show off everything in ultra, spectacular 4k, uber graphics. I got caught up too, buying a 2,000 PC about 5 years back, now the piece of junk isn't worth the plastic it is made out of.

You talk like PS4 fans are so bad for comparing their console to the X1, they are targeted to the same consumers, of course they will be compared hardware wise.

ABizzel11128d ago (Edited 1128d ago )

The only thing top of the line about the PS4 in comparison to PC at the time was the amount of graphics memory. Other than that it was a mid-range GPU, with dual low-end notebook CPUs. It's not a bad console, but with $100 more to budget it could have been an even greater piece of hardware with a good GPU upgrade (based on a downgraded R9 280 instead of a downgraded R9 270), and 4GB of DDR3 to run the OS, and all that GRAM for games.

@Future_2015

Stop trolling, the PS4 and XBO use the notebook versions of Jaguar, not the tablet version, and their CPUs are dual A6-5200 or Athlon 5150 / 5350.

A6 vs 5350
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/AMD...

A6 vs 4350 (AMD FX low end)
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/AMD...

A6 vs 8350 (AMD FX high end, excluding the 9000)
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/AMD...

A6 vs i5 4670k (Intel go to gaming CPU)
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Int...

A6 vs 17 4770k (Intel pretty much top end consumer CPU)
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Int...

So definitely nowhere near a top end CPU from AMD or Intel (clock speeds have a lot to do with that as well), but with it being 8 cores, it should be on par with a 4350 at least, and much better in multi-tasking (which games are starting to be built upon).

dcbronco1128d ago

I'm not sure how anyone could disagree with current consoles not being top of the line. Ah yes. Fanboys. The GPUs were out of date at launch and the CPUs are mobile chips that have been replaced by a more efficient model. Console gamers need to get over any ideas about competing with PCs graphically. Mantle ended any hope of that ever being the case again. The best we can hope for is better custom parts and infrastructure to create a better overall experience. In the next two years the new Alienware Steam machine will make current gen console games look last gen. But we won't need to upgrade every other year.

NewMonday1128d ago

Consoles are fixed design and that matters in development, PC needs "brute force" to get results, this means the PS4 can match higher powerd PC's, the Witcher 3 is proof.

Chrischi19881128d ago

Mantle took away a big part of your so called optimization. And there are only a few graphics card manufacturers. They are closer than what most console fanatics would ever admit.

The whole problem here is, that consoles basically took a lot from PCs, to be the next gen consoles and all act like they are better then PCs, even though everything that is new and better, came from PCs. Onlineplay, very good graphics, streaming and whatsoever. This is why this whole talk is ridiculous and because PS4 fans bash all other consoles for exactly these reasons, but if PC gamers tell them to be quite, because they are not the top dog in that department, suddenly it is about the quality of games, but if Nintendo fans say that, it doesnt count, because PS4 has better graphics... so stupid. Chose one, stay with that.

imt5581128d ago

Well, Xbone is not outdated.

http://i.imgur.com/pRbMT2S....

Now i'm going in a bar drink some beer and laugh on this.

Damn, most funnies blog on the net.:)

Vegamyster1128d ago (Edited 1128d ago )

@NewMonday

"Consoles are fixed design and that matters in development, PC needs "brute force" to get results"

This isn't a top of the line PC but still outperforms both consoles by a fair margin.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

The GTX 750 Ti which can be found for less than $130 can compete with the PS4 just fine.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

"PS4 can match higher powerd PC's, the Witcher 3 is proof."

We haven't even seen what the PS4 version looks like, the Xone version shown at E3 was 900p and struggled to keep 30 fps in combat so chances are the PS4 version will be 1080p either with a locked 30 fps or with dips too. A higher end PC will be doing better both graphically and framerate wise

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

@The_Infected

That GIF is small and not an accurate representation.

http://static2.gamespot.com...

http://i.imgur.com/XOUMmTd....

Admittedly it still looks great but not like the GIF, also Naughty Dog confirmed that trailer was In-engine but that doesn't mean the gameplay will look like that.

Eonjay1128d ago (Edited 1128d ago )

As soon as tech is released it is no longer top of the line. Thats why its pointless to stay on top of every new thing because you wouldn't have any money for food lol.

The PS4 is still the most powerful console and will be able to play games 5 years from now when most PC rigs will be trash, or have hundreds or thousands invested in them.

Oh and Microsoft puts DX12 in Windows 9 exclusively, we riot.

nix1128d ago

here we go again... /:

same discussion. every time.

fr0sty1128d ago

XBLSkull, funny that ICE programmer knows more about computer hardware than you ever will, considering he's the one actually making these games for the hardware (for one of the best developers in the world, no less) and is the one whose day to day job is to figure out ways to get more out of that hardware. If he wants to say something is the best or is not, he's qualified to do so. You on the other hand, just troll forums. When your name pops up in the credits for the next Uncharted game, then I'll give you my ear.

Loktai1128d ago

People need to remember heat, noise and so on when trying to compare and say you can just magically upgrade for more money. Of course you can add hardware for more money but last time Sony tried to make a beast it suffered at the market because it was expensive as hell, it was also not only pricey but pricier than comparable competition which was the real issue even if you got better value due to the bluray drive but who knew bluray would win the format war in the beginning? People could guess but who KNEW?

You cant build a desktop as thin and small and low-noise low-power as a PS4 for the price of the PS4, the "tablet CPU"... why are you calling it a tablet CPU when its more in line with a laptop in actuality? Its also impossible to buy a tablet with the kind of config a PS4 comes in, and if you do please include a Bluray drive.

If you want a high end PC and you want it small and quiet and so on you need to invest in seriously high end non-stock cooling, a good HTPC case and its still going to consume more power and possibly be louder than a PS4 especially under load, of course it will kick the PS4s butt in performnace but at a higher cost and you wont have any sony exclusives, or XBOX exclusives unless they get ported later (clearly more likely on the XBOX given Ryse).

I love PC and was a HUGE PC gamer, I have what WAS a monster gaming PC at one time (A dual quad-core workstation(dual Xeon [email protected]) with 16gb of memory and a 2gb Geforce 480 SOC(about 580 level). I still had just as much fun overall with my PS3 during the same timeframe.

NewMonday1128d ago

@Vegamyster

you miss the point completely , even if a high end $1000+ PC can push higher numbers the actual performance of the PS4 will match it in image quality because of optimization.

in the case of the Witcher3 a PC needs to be over 3 times as powerful as the PS4 to start getting better performance than the console.

no point in hardware numbers if the actual games software doesn't scale the same.

Vegamyster1128d ago (Edited 1128d ago )

@NewMonday

"in the case of the Witcher3 a PC needs to be over 3 times as powerful as the PS4 to start getting better performance than the console."

You do realize a PC that has 3X more power then a PS4 would come with a GTX 780 TI/Titan which is a GPU capable of doing 1440p 50+ fps on Battlfield 4 on Ultra with 4x MSAA?

http://www.digitalstormonli...

What you're talking about is not possible with a low wattage AMD APU and again we haven't even seen what the game looks like on the PS4 or how well it performs on a PC for that matter.

"you miss the point completely , even if a high end $1000+ PC can push higher numbers the actual performance of the PS4 will match it in image quality because of optimization."

I'm the one who posted videos with performance comparisons telling you don't need a high end PC to compete with these consoles, I'm getting disagreed with despite providing IN-GAME benchmarks so can you please tell me how I'm wrong.

AliTheSnake11128d ago

Every piece of technology you buy, gets outdated within few months.

BootyBandit1128d ago (Edited 1128d ago )

This is a no brainer as far as power goes but what about cost {hardware and energy bills - I have a 1200 watt PSU in my PC] and ease of use? I have a high end PC and I absolutely love my racing games on ultra settings triple 1080p displays. But I can't tell you how many hours I have to spend when I run into conflicts.

That is why I enjoy both and there are some weeks I just want no part of PC gaming because of issues I run into sometimes just burn me out and I say F it and jump on my PS4 or X1.

Most of my friends that were once PC only have jumped into console gaming for that very reason. They want to get in and get out without hassles. But I love racing games too much and the amazing deals on Steam to turn my back on PC gaming altogether. That is why I am fortunate enough to have the best of all worlds.

I learned my lessons over the years and now my PC gaming rig is for gaming only. I don't surf or use email on it. It is strictly for gaming and gaming only to cut down on running into problems.

Also I will always have consoles because of their exclusive. Personally I enjoy their exclusives more than the PC. If not for Steam I would probably be mainstream console gaming. But right now I'm going to turn some laps in Assetto on the PC and than play some Destiny on the PS4 later.

ShinMaster1128d ago

Technically, your PC is outdated the moment you finished building it and new parts hit the shelf.

LAST GEN consoles with 8 year old hardware managed to run games that were also demanding on PC with less than 512mb of RAM.
http://n4g.com/news/1587286...

AndrewLB1127d ago

To correct some people... the AMD Jaguar low-power Micro-architecture found in PS4 and Xbone was designed primarily for notebooks, mini-pc's, netbooks, and high end tablets. Even though it was released in early-mid 2013, it's base architecture "Bobcat" is actually from 2011, making it more of an evolutionary step than anything.

Both Consoles use customized versions with twice the number of CPU cores as you'll find in any other application, and both contain GPU's which are more powerful than any APU currently offered to OEM's or system builders. The exclusivity of these enhanced APU's are because of contractual agreements with AMD for an unknown number of years.

Even today, a year after these consoles launched, their GPU's are the fastest found in any APU available. While that is great for power saving, for the same amount of money either console could have had a more powerful GPU had they gone with the more traditional "integrated GPU" type setup. Such a setup would have given them a MUCH larger number of GPU's to choose from, including those found on much more powerful discrete graphics cards.

I'd also like to add that the only reason PC gamers even commented on the GPU's in these consoles is because they kept reading gaming journalists, bloggers, and fanboys making the claim that "_____ console is a Beast" or "_____ console on par with high end gaming PC", and other such nonsense. I know there are console gamers out there who have a firm understanding of the power of these architectures, but they largely stayed silent. Had I seen them reply to those claims with an honest assessment of the console's power because such comments were making everyone look foolish, i probably would have never even commented.

And I'm not talking trash. I actually think both consoles are producing outstanding graphics with the hardware they have. My criticism from the start has always been that I believe Microsoft and Sony were BOTH stupid for not using a graphics processor that could comfortably produce modern graphics at 1080p/60 since that has been a standard for many years now.

This is the first generation of consoles where I haven't owned at least one of them in addition to my gaming/workstation PC, and this is 100% due to both companies decision to use hardware incapable of running that graphics standard. Had they met that threshold, i would have bought a PS4 right after launch just like i did with PS3, 360, PS2, PS1, Dreamcast, N64, TurboGrafx-CD, TurboDuo, SNES, NES, Genesis, Atari 2600, sega master system, and Calicovision.

donthate1127d ago

Well the consoles certainly are under powered, but I didn't buy it for the power. I bought it for the ease of use and platform. I don't care about the power.

I chose an Xbox 360 and PS3, before the current generation released, so clearly it wasn't for the powah.

MikeG71127d ago

Even if so... still faster than your brain :)

extermin8or1127d ago

@future 2015: saying something is a beast in compared to rival consoles/previous generation and saying it is top end hardware is not the same thing. Also for the price it's pretty good and I think plenty of devs have proved they can get results out of non top of the range hardware just fine. Generally top of the range hadware in it's first iteration is incredibly inefficient anyway. It takes a couple of iterations for that to improve at which point it's no long top of the range and is used in consoles... Point is it's not just about the hardware and the consoles are doing fine. Hell ps3 games are still being released and with the correct dev behind them they still look good and play fine.

SilentNegotiator1127d ago

How long are you elitists going to make that completely uninformed claim?

Baccra171127d ago

I thought it was a cellphone cpu.

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Ocsta1128d ago

@ XBLSkull

And YOUR precious set top box IS top of the line? It freaking blows donkeys you fanboy! Stop trolling every article with the word "PS4" in it! Why don't you just dissapear along with Truefan and Morepowerofgreen??

TongkatAli1128d ago

Pot calling the kettle black, you're a Nintendo fanboy and you're preaching Mario Galaxy were the best games last gen, puhuhuhu, too fing funny.

Those reviews were payed for after playing Mario Galaxy, more overhyped and less fun to play then Destiny.

Big_Game_Hunters1128d ago

i'm not saying those games were the best last gen, i don't believe they were the best games of last gen, that doesn't change the numbers though, i was only using the Galaxy games to prove a point that hardware =/= quality.

If you think the galaxy games are over-hyped that's fine, but most people don't, not just reviewers.

ScottyHoss1128d ago

Except destiny is actually fun to play

Clumpy1127d ago

I know it's hard to accept that Super Mario Galaxy is a better game then Destiny, but please dont be so butthurt about it. Thank you.

MrCherry1128d ago

Thk you!!!! the first gamer Iv seen say thattt. I care how the game plays not looks. I dont get into a game like COD and start kicking a$$ online and doing reely good, but look at that sun wow. Sory more gameplay for me.

Chrischi19881128d ago

"“For example: the PS3 is ~2005-era hardware, roughly. Compare TLOU (2013) to AAA PC games from 2005,” he further added."

Hahaha, what a dumb comment. That is like saying, that the graphics setup from 2005 in a PC was already completely maxed out in 2005 and it cannot improve anymore. Like there is absolutely no optimizing happening on PCs. Did anyone ever install an Nvidia driver? Almost all new stuff in the driverupdate info is, how much a game improved in performance.

zerog1128d ago

The point is is that a high end pc from 2005 could not today run a game like the last of us at the same quality, it doesn't matter how many driver updates you put in it. The 05 pc still has to brute force most of its graphics where the ps3 has been streamlined in optimization to a point that makes pc programing laughable. The same will be true this gen as well just like every other console gen. A console comes out and the pc guys come out thinking they know everything saying "my rig that cost 2x, 3x, 4x or whatever is better". Well I hope so for the money you wasted on it, the problem is is that in 5 years your $1000-2000 rig will be worth $50 and consoles will be outperforming it again with optimizations and you'll be out blowing another grand to keep ahead during that time. Then theres all the headachs of conflicting hardware, software ect on pc. I tell you pc guys what I'd rather spend $400-500 on a machine that I know every piece of software I buy will work and be a year or 2 behind on the absolut best graphics then waste hundreds and thousands even just to say I have the absolute best graphics every other year. And lets face it you pc guys, most of you probably only have mid range pcs anyway yet you get on here and brag and even lie just to feel superior when the truth is you're all just compensating for your own insecurities as gamers and/or in life.

Vegamyster1128d ago (Edited 1128d ago )

@Zerog

PS3 came out in 2006, a high end 8800 GTX still out performs PS3/360 multiplats to this day.

BF4 8800 GTS: https://www.youtube.com/wat...

On 360/PS3: https://www.youtube.com/wat...

4+ year old GTX 480 playing Watch Dogs better then Xone & PS4: https://www.youtube.com/wat...

gapecanpie1128d ago (Edited 1128d ago )

It never was .... Even before if officially went on store shelf's it was outdated by 3 years... Even before Sony finalize the the specs it was outdated.

It wouldn't have been so bad if Sony would have went with a updated Cell instead of the cheap tablet CPU even the Cell in the ps3 is on paper slightly more powerful then the CPU in the ps4 in Gflops. The majority of the ps4 Gflops come mainly for the GPU itself and the CPU is more of less a bottleneck that why I don't understand why Sony fans think GDDR5 is a big deal when the CPU is weak and pretty much a bottleneck.

Sony and MS took the Nintendo route then gen.

Flamingweazel1128d ago

Whats your point?? Consoles are never top of the line...unless you want 1000 do=llar consoles they never will be they are mass market, people need to move on, games look amazing on it, more then good enough

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RedDeadLB1128d ago

While I do agree on the point of gameplay > graphics, I have a point to make as well.

Yesterday I played Crysis on a PS3. The image was so blurry and washed out I could hardly recognize enemies in the level. I've played Red Dead Redemption, which is an excellent game by itself, and it's also so blurry at times you don't even know what the hell you're shooting at.

So, does gameplay matter more than graphics? Yes it does. Can bad image quality negatively effect gameplay? Yes it can. That's why powerful hardware and good graphics come to play.

zerog1128d ago

Sounds like you have a crappy tv or don't know what hdmi is.

irokster1128d ago

I played Crysis 3 and Red Dead the day they came out and had no problems distinguishing enemies and/or things to shoot at in both games. Maybe you should get a better tv/monitor?

RedDeadLB1127d ago

I've hooked up my PS3 both to my 1080p PC monitor via HDMI and my living room HD ready TV and in both instances Crysis 1 looked like crap and Red Dead was blurry.

I believe both games aren't even rendered at 720p, so everything a little far off is a blurry blob.

Still doesn't change my point though.

starchild1128d ago (Edited 1128d ago )

Well I wouldn't say that it "doesn't relate to games quality", because it very obviously does. If hardware performance didn't relate to games quality at all there would be no point for Sony to release the PS4. They could have saved all that money and just kept making games for the PS3.

What IS true is that a game's quality has more to do with the care, attention and talent put into it than it does with raw hardware specs or the engine it is running on. Not that the latter two things are unimportant. They definitely are important, it's just that many people tend to somewhat overestimate their importance.

The PS4 will get some really fantastic-looking games thanks to the talent and skill of developers like Naught Dog and Sony Santa Monica.

Same goes for the Xbox One and Wii U, there will be some great looking games on those consoles.

That said, there are great developers on all platforms and the more powerful platforms will tend to always have the better graphics. This is especially true since most games are multi platform.

geddesmond1128d ago

Lol thats why Wii Us are flying out of shop doors lol. Nearly 2 years on the market and PS4 has 3 mil more sales while Xbox 1 is only 1 or 2 mil behind. Yeah you don't need top hardware. Thats why casette tapes are selling so well compared to blu rays and DVD because better picture quality doesn;t matter. Thats why everyone still has big cardboard box looking analogue tvs because how things look doesn't matter.

That mindset of great graphics equals crap gameplay is horse crap as many games have great gameplay and great graphics for their time. Mixed in with amazing storytelling and direction. Some would say storytelling is more important than gameplay. Unfortunately saving a princess from a giant turtle is not only repeated so much but its complete crap.

Big_Game_Hunters1128d ago

You realize the article is saying that the PS4 is weak/outdated but it doesn't matter because game quality is what matters, you get that right? also story > gameplay =cancer killing gaming.

geddesmond1128d ago

@Biggamehunt

Of course the PS4 hardware is out of date compared to high end PCs available now and graphics cards that will coming in a few years but there is many reasons why people only play consoles.

Right now the PS4 offers the most power on consoles so thats what consol gamers who want nice looking games will go for.

I could go out now and spend 2000 euros on a high end PC and in 2 years that will be out of date too. Not to mention that all that power won't matter as long as developers don't take advantage of it which most won't because the amount of PC gamers with high end machines are outnumbered by those that don't have high end.

Consoles are the cheaper more compact option for gamers. Anyway right now games on consoles look amazing and this is just the start of this gen. Developers will keep finding more and more ways to deliver better looking games as this gen moves forward.

Cancer killing gaming? When I think back, all my favorite games the last 3 gens have had great stories, graphics and gameplay. All 3 matter not just one.

Mithan1128d ago

As a PC gamer, no it was never "top of the line" compared to the PC obviously.

As a console, it is top of the line. There isn't anything else out there better.

Destiny looks damn nice, so we know this system can put out some great graphics, that should only improve somewhat from here.

sd111128d ago

I do agree mostly with what you said. With regards to graphics however, if people just wanted great games regardless of graphics they wouldn't have upgraded to a PS4 or Xbox one. It is an easy way for people to see what they are getting. The issue with this is that some new games push more assets on screen and people overlook this and simply focus on the graphics, rather than the fact that you can now have X number more people/objects or whatever on the screen. But yes the No 1 thing is game play and always should be.

sonypsnow1128d ago (Edited 1128d ago )

Playstation Now is way more powerful than the highest end Gaming PC.

nitus101128d ago

Looking at the next generation consoles from an engineering perspective it takes at the very least one to three years or even more from the initial design phase to the final product so it is fairly obvious that when the product hits the market there is always going to be something better.

Since PC's can easily be upgraded it is no wonder that a top of the line or gaming PC will always outperform the PS4, Wii U or XB1 however this comes at a cost.

As for games that really falls to the developer. even then developers are in a business, so supporting a product that will have a very long lifetime is so much easier than trying to keep up with technology trends. Of course there are exceptions but they are really limiting themselves to a much smaller market.

Ashraf891127d ago

Pfft. Just play all your pirated downloaded games on your PC. Poor PC peasant.

Ozmoses1127d ago (Edited 1127d ago )

what are any of you talking about.. since the computer age began it's followed a simple principle..

as soon as something new is released; it becomes obsolete.

as soon as you buy anything.. an HDD, RAM, CD Drive, Blu Ray...whatever it may be... by the time you get home a better form of that technology has hit the market...

it's just the average consumer can't keep up with the never ending stream of upgraded components...

so yes if you look at it that way it I suppose is "Already outdated"

but logically this only really applies to "building machines"... therefore PC gaming.. since none of us build consoles...

consoles are meant to last for a standard amount of years.. sure the new ones are already in their creation phases.. but consoles have a set life time...

computers don't

I don't need to constantly upgrade my PS4 or Xbox One to play the game at the best standards.

all games on PS4 play the same on PS4 and all games on Xbox play the same on Xbox...

on PC you gotta spend all this extra shit on components and cooling systems.

and by the time the newest greatest games comes out 4 months after the last greatest game... you have to upgrade your PC again if you want to play it with "premium settings"

Xristianous1127d ago

Agree with you there to a certain point, I love indie titles on console and certainly graphics aren't everything.

However if your playing a AAA title game it is the icing on the cake.

If the gameplay/style of game doesn't warrant having amazing graphics then I'm ok with more 'cartoonish' looks

WickedLester1127d ago

No it wasn't. But you have to remember that the console market is very different from the PC market. There is a fine line that companies like Sony, MS, and Nintendo have to walk when designing a gaming console. Of course they want their consoles to be powerful but they also need to be sold at a mass market price AND be profitable. All things considered, I think the PS4 is a very well balanced machine that provide great looking games at an affordable price.

RosweeSon1127d ago (Edited 1127d ago )

Yeah at the end of the day ps4 is top end games console for now and will be for the next few years sure you can get better top end pc's for a price that need updating every 6-12 months to stay truly up to date but yeah I'm a big nintendo fan also and it's certainly not about the graphics, nintendo games certainly don't look bad by any stretch but wow the gameplay puts 90% of other games to utter shame. The whole they are for kids argument is just pathetic. Never watch any cartoons or Pixar films ever then I take it your loss nintendo are fantastic at what they do and others should learns lot more on the games front instead of just borrowing all their console and controller ideas over the years.
Happy with all the current gaming consoles as own them 360, everything from nintendo 3ds XL and wii u and a ps3/4 and vita, happy with them all in their own ways although my 360 has been with me 7 years (not the same console of course for obviously reliability issues) but it is getting retired in the next week or so and I have no plans to upgrade to an xbox one in the future, it was already inferior to ps4 from day one ok not saying never I'm just saying not at that price with these current xbox games and not for another year or so, got enough gaming on the game and have more than enough fun, got top end covered with ps4 once i set it back up and it gets going a bit more (that and I get through my current gen back log) but had it since day one not regretted it once, ps+ helps with that ;) nintendo really deserves a look tho if you enjoy fun you won't be dissapointed. But yeah big sony fan currently at the mo and the ps4 is beast sure it's not gonna be the best console ever as they'll always be a better one a around the corner it's just that corner is bare minimum 5 years away unless Microsoft decide they need to restart ;)

raymantalk11127d ago

whether or not the ps4 was top of the line or not is irrelevant IT IS THE BEST CONSOLE OUT at this time.

also when you get your top of the line pc it also is not top of the line.

as new better hardware is coming out all the time, making your pc out of date.

so it all boils down to are you happy with what you got.

if so then being top of the line dont matter does it.

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The_Infected1128d ago

If only everyone understood this. Fixed hardware will always give huge boost over time especially for what it is.

Infamous2981128d ago (Edited 1128d ago )

I like how sony admits that their console have its weakness unlike other console manufacturers.

gameDevWannaBe1128d ago

To bad sony fans won't admit the obvious..

dRanzer1128d ago

#GameDev

what we need to admit? we get great console with greats games like your big ass end pc,my ps4 not do 4k,so what?
there is talent dev up there and i trust them to put my ps4 to the limit...not the case for your pc

Kurisu1128d ago (Edited 1128d ago )

Yep. Look at God of War II and FFXII on PS2 (FFXII launched after PS3 in the UK) and The Last of and Beyond: Two Souls on PS3. All games quite close to the launch of next gen systems, and all look amazing. The last lot of exclusives to hit PS4 will look INSANE *watches PC crowd roll their eyes*

Vegamyster1128d ago

The PS3 used Cell architecture which was hard to develop for and took developers years to use it effectively, these new consoles on the other hand minus the Wii-U use X86 which is easy to develop for and is what the PC has been using for years. All you have to do is look at old interviews with developers from both Sony & MS and they'll tell you how much easier X86 is to use as proof, there will be a small jump but it's not going to be the same jump in graphical fidelity like the previous consoles.

Elda1128d ago

You are right!..those games did look great.

ABizzel11128d ago

@The_Infected

It doesn't give huge boost over time, it's just that developers can maximize the capabilities of the given hardware overtime producing results beyond what scaling to PC hardware is capable of.

I got what you were saying, the wording was just off.

gapecanpie1128d ago

There is no boost! Sony fans are delusional if they think old outdated hardware can just magically get a boost...

There are only cheap tricks and cutting corners for consoles.

Like degrading A.I. and fps or cheap pre-baked lighting effects like in all the Uncharted games. This is the only way for consoles to increase the graphical output.

The_Infected1128d ago (Edited 1128d ago )

@gapecanpie

Even game developers like John Carmack said the hardware in a console has twice the efficiency of that same hardware in a PC since it is dedicated hardware. It's common sense honestly.

Next time maybe you should do your research or at least know what you're talking about before calling people fanboys.

tee_bag2421127d ago

@The_Infected
Yes Carmack did say that, but he also expressed his disappointment for this gens underpowered hardware

https://twitter.com/ID_AA_C...

http://www.techspot.com/new...

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

kingduqc1128d ago

Fixed hardware is just begin stuck in time and there is no benefits to that.

What's the point of wasting 5 years of getting better at using X hardware to gain 30-40% when hardware in 5 years is 300-400% faster..