Tim Hanlon from The Gamer Gene writes: "Lono from Sarcastic Gamer is not keen on the idea of a new Xbox 720 being released in 2011. I am."
Has game journalism really gotten to such a low level that we need a counterargument for everything someone on the internet writes? This is ridiculous.
It's called a discussion. That's what the internet is.
the article that said "count me out" annoyed me as well as lots of other 360 owners. i think that article was just flame bait for ps3 fanboys in the open zone. But overall: its your decision you dont have to buy the next xbox if you dont want to
I agree. Both articles are just as bad in my opinion. The more people feel attacked by these "news" and give it the attention it doesn't deserve, the bigger the whole thing gets until a new flamewar starts and that is what I don't want to see, because it's stupid. If you don't want to buy something, then just don't, easy as that - but don't come back and attack others because they bought it. Some people give their best to discuss things on a sophisticated level, but the majority turns gaming into a useless fight without any brains. It's "articles" like these that add fuel to the dieing fire and make fanboys/fangirls something we accept as common.
I am a 360 owner and I was not offended. I won't be buying one next gen myself...
thegamergene, The internet is discussion? i use discussion to download porn? interesting ...
No mate - a discussion is when someone chooses to discuss an article in the comments section, or on a discussion site. Your kind of 'rebuttal article' is a prime example of shoddy argumentative net journalism. ..and the only person who need to look anything up is you! The PS3 has 512meg of ram, thats an absolute fact. As with most shoddy journalists, you simply take a fanboy comment based on how the memory is divided and accessed, and then spread you complete misunderstanding as if it were fact. Its utterly pathetic. Not that I won't buy into the next xbox - I'm a tech whore and I have everything. In a way its a shame they didn't make the 360 with enough foresight to last a bit longer, but given some of the great game experiences we've had from it, I guess we shouldn't complain. My only complaint would be if they immediately drop all support for 360. What they did with xnox was an utter disgrace and many people haven't bought into MS because of this awful support.
I would have to say that titntin nailed it on the head above me. This is just another fanboy bashing an article that was perhaps written by another fanboy but in no way was necessary. Comments sections of these types of sites is a perfect place for you to react and to write another silly article about it is just not needed. If you get offended this easily over an internet article about some silly gaming console... Well, I question your judgement at any case in the world of journalism.
i love having new consoles and technology. tintin: can i ask why it's such a crime to discontinue support for your old hardware, when the ultimate aim in releasing new stuff is getting the masses to buy this one? i keep seeing this argument where people attack microsoft for dropping support. i keep saying this when i buy a new console, i want to know that the platform holder is throwing 100% of their resources behind it! not 70% 80% or 90%. i dont want them still using studios to create games for their older platform when i've just a few hundred quid on their new equipment! truly, i cant see how poeple think it's great that sony still make games for the ps2, when those studios could be making games for the ps3! and increasing the exclusive content. perhaps if sony stopped supporting the ps2, things like the xmb, voice chat and a unified on-line service mite have arrived a whole lot quicker. using the argument that dropping support equals a bad company just seems a little dumb, and backward thinking imo.
Count me out.
Even though I didnt read the other one(or this one) I could tell it was written by a fanboy. saying that 2011 is too early for a new xbox is stupid for a few reasons. 1)its moronic: Didnt ps2/3 follow up the most successful console in history 6 years later. seemed like a good strategy when sony did it. 2) its biased against microsoft: most likely by 2011 nintendo will have a new system(or mabe before cause nintendo wants to sell this new console as "something new + a wii"). That will only be 5 years. I can understand someone who is kinda hoping microsoft will drop out would think they wouldnt support the 360 after the new one comes out. As long as they can continue to make ps3 games they can make 360 games, and vice-versa. Microsoft may try to make all new games but thats a good thing. This new xbox should beable to play 360 games so there could even be more people to buy a 360 game. That also means this new system could be a 360 that actually works. Mine works too, but who knows if it will last till 2011. 2011 seems like a good guess foar a new xbox. Personally Id rather see objective article about when the next systems may come out, then a subjective one saying why they dont want it, or whatever their stupid opinion on the console they hate is.
that it doesn't get to the point where a company comes out with a system every couple years. Give me a monster now and 6-7+ years down the line give me another monster, not a monster.5 or something like that which only was a minor improvement. It just sucks for young gamers the most because they're the one's that rely on their parents to buy them these machines.
360 fans should just let the sony boys post their inflammatory article without comment or counter because that would be fanboyism to respond... uummmmmm, no I don't think so that would be letting the bad guys get away with freebies...
In 2011 the Playstation 3 will be selling for $100. In 2011 the Xbox 720 will probably launch at a 500 or more price point. What would you rather buy then? A PS3 with a HUGE gaming library, or an expensive Xbox 720 with no catalog of software (e.g. like how the PS3 first launched). Its like the Playstation 2, all over again. When will MS ever learn? I welcome the competition though, its made us have better products!
new consoles are a good thing people. when the new xbox 720 comes out , well be able to play games better than crysis on it. who dosent want that? cheapasses i guess, but then again they dont need to buy them.
You're the cheaparse for being a fanboy of a cheapman's PC. Buy a real PC not a wannabe PC whom's "exclusives" are way better on PC.
45% more than multiplatform games... with the exception of CoD4 of course. and i'm sure that if MS does a heck of a job with the next Xbox and more than anything is reliable and shows amazing games i think a lot of ps3 owners will buy it. i know i would.. as a gamer is all about games.. not hating the competition. The whole article is not even worth to talk about.. the author says that the ps3 has 256 ram and that the the next 2gb Ram Xbox will only cost $299.. lol that's just fanboy talk right there
@BulletToothTony - The PS3 does have 256MB RAM - look it up. Just because it has 256MB for graphics does not make it 512MB. I never said the 720 would cost $299 - all I said was that the 360 launched at $299/$399.
Come on, if you are going to write about the PS3, at least know more about it. http://playstation.about.co... Taking a look at another site that knows a bit more about journalism, we can see that adding 256 to 256, the PS3 truly has 512... Again, if you want your articles to sound intelligent, just research the stuff you write about. Then you won't make mistakes like this.
man. pc gaming is dead why again would i want to spend over 1 grand to play old games? honestly the only good pc games are rts games. pc gaming is not at all what it used to be back in age of empires 2 days and UT2, warcraft 3,cs, and swat3 one of my favorite classic pc games.
Man PC gaming is far from Dead...yes it's more expensive than consoles, but you get much, much better visuals, you can get 60fps (or more) and 1080P(equivalent) on all(except Crysis) games. Most of those games were bought at a lower price than their console counterparts. I use a XBox 360 contoller for some games, Keyboard and mouse combo for PFS and RTS games and stearing whell for racing games. We get most of the console games including lots of MS exclusives we can play back catalogs, and most games look better and play better once on PC (Mass Effect, GTAs, GRID, Oblivion, etc...) Did I mention Mods... Here's my collection (in part): Race Driver GRID Mass Effect UT3 Crysis CoD4 Orange Box BioShock Gears of War Oblivion Halo 2 GTA (3, VC, SA) The Withcher S.T.A.L.K.E.R Civilizations 4 Guitar Hero 3 Sins of a Solar Empire Full collection of NES, SNES and N64 games using emulators. and many more...
@BulletToothtony "he author says that the ps3 has 256 ram and that the the next 2gb Ram Xbox will only cost $299.. lol that's just fanboy talk right there" Why 8 gigs already cost $250-300. Ummm 2gigs cost how much now? About $50 maybe? ATI' and nvidia's future GPU are trying to have 6 cores in them. I don't know if they can make it affordable meaning not $1000 for a console I say bring it. The last time Consoles gave PC gaming a bloody nose was 2d graphics and effects. I would like to see that again with 3d maybe. I expect the next HD machines to come with 4-8 gigs standard of ram. I'm serious... Why not? The prices will be even lower in 3 years. Also people forget the next xbox may actually be backward compatible since MS is cool with IBM. The old xbox was abandon because intel wanted to stick them with the price along with nvidia even though the parts had drop in their production cost. The 3rd parties maybe the ones that support the old xbox more anyway. Want will be interesting is what concept will they use next time. The Wii proved that you can have a core box that is capable yet the HD proved that you have lots of people who want more. What if it's a modular system like a console standard? Good enough to play old xbox games and upgradable in peaces so that you can play the more realistic games? When I say upgradable not like a 3 month refresh more like what we have now a Wii on one end and a HD console on the other.
"Has game journalism really gotten to such a low level that we need a counterargument for everything someone on the internet writes? This is ridiculous." ^^More like do we need negitive crying posted as news in the first place who wants to read somebody hating or crying posted as news in the first place?. lol
Dude, it's a blog post by some no-name guy. It is filled with speculation and incorrect information. If you enjoy reading this rubbish good for you, personally I prefer to read factual information. You must of completed to "contributor test" also, remember, the one that clearly states NO BLOGS unless by some high profile developer (or similar). So what, you just lied to get approval status?
Do you know how many hundreds of articles the media post about every thing about all consoles? should we start posting that sh*t as news?. I'm sure whatever you said you would feel different if a wave of garbage posts came in about PS3 lol. Lets Hunt.
Whaaa? Did you even read my comment? I'm saying rubbish like this SHOULDNT be posted on N4G. PS... I probably own more branded 360 stuff than you. Not everyone here is a cooperate logo, some of us are just gamers. Leave your fanboy rants to the others, but I'm not interested in it.
Why didn't you reply directly to my comment? Oh, you can't? Now go and think about why. Also, like Fishy Fingers already stated, N4G has a No Blog-policy. Oh, and: "^^More like do we need negitive crying posted as news in the first place who wants to read somebody hating or crying posted as news in the first place?." You. You are one of the top trolls here that has nothing better to do than just wait for negative news about the PS3. Go play Halo 3 or Ninja Gaiden 2 - you know, all those which you said were better than everything on the PS3 - or something and stop being a hypocritic troll. For someone who has so many "AAA"s to play, you sure have a lot time to spend talking crap about other consoles.
lol, thats what I was wondering. Maybe the fact that he can't..
you talk about POG trolling waiting for negative news about the ps3. take a look at any positive post about the 360 or games being released on the 360.then had the nerve to call someone a hypocrite. you sony droids are the biggest trolls on this site. any news i see for the 360 you have at least 20 to more sony trolls in the post. sometime more than 360 owners. so do us a favor go play your MGS4. must have got tired of all the cut scene. all 20 hours of it.
speak for urself vega. some of us are gamers first. i have nothing but love for the upcoming gears 2, halo wars, and Red Alert (which development has now been stopped on ps3).
Oh why thank you good sir, looks like I've got a fan/stalker. Anyway, about the attempt to badmouth MGS4: It took me 16 hours without skipping anything on my first playthrough. Now, if you attended math classes as often as you should have, you would see that there can't be 20 hours worth of cutscenes. It must be sad to have an attention span so short that you can't go 30 minutes without killing something colorful. I enjoyed ever single second of the cutscenes and the about 90 minutes behemoth of an epilogue was better than most movies I saw from Hollywood. If you weren't such a fanboy/fangirl, you could have added something about MGO, which I like btw. So even if I got tired of MGS4, I'd still have the online part to keep me busy. But again, thanks for being concerned about my gaming prefernces, I appreciate it, honey. If you would take the time to read what I write in my comments and not just assume from the fact that I own a PS3, you would see that I talk about the negatives on every console. Did I like NG2? No, but neither did I enjoy Sigma. Did I buy HAZE? No, because I think it's crap. Did Sony have good games after the launch? No, it took them way too long to get out the big guns. Do mandatory installs suck? Kinda, but I rather install than have pop-up. Are Sony fools because they don't get their exclusives (especially JRPGs at the moment)? Yes, they are. Now I could go on about the cons of the Wii and the XBox360, but I won't because you need your dose of alien killing and teabaggin'. Now have fun with your games and stop wasting your time trying to defend trolling, it's bad enough.
Don't bother as if there's negative news posted about PS3 on this site and if there is 5 counter posts against the 360 appear. The difference is natural news flow vs forced news from PS3 fanboys to get even. If that fanboy can find more than 5 or 6 PS3 only posts that I have Posted in with-in the last month I'll be surprized. I'm sure his perceived trolling is much different from actually full blown smear campaigns PS3 fanboys participate in. They see me in joint or even once in the blue moon PS3 only thead which I comment in thats only a few out of hundreds and claims this.
They are all abused, forums and blogs get posted, multiple accounts and bubble cheats everywhere, personal attacks and fanboy comments in the gamer zone.
fan/stalker!! lol.you think too highly of yourself for that one my friend. i was only commenting on you sony droids calling someone a troll when in countless threads there are more sonyfanboys then there are 360 owners. and i own MGS4 thats why i said what i did.it is more movie than game. don't get me wrong. it's a great movie. but as far as gameplay is concern it's could have been more. do i care for MGO? no. will it get me to stop playing COH4,R6,halo,ect?no thats why i didn't mention it. do i care if you think i am a fanboy/fangirl? no. do i get stupid and claim a site is bias/paid off by compitition just because a game on my favorite console don't get great reviews?no. but what i don't like is when i come into a 360 thread i see more sonyfanboy complaining about the 360 more than i see 360 owner. yet i go into a ps3 thread and i don't see half as many. @Britjadg. i am a gamer. and just because i don't feel MGS4 is the greatest thing EVER. doesn't mean i not a gamer first.
If they can make this one reliable, count me in.
next gen is open for me, have had three incarnations of the playstation, but mgs has finished and both square/rockstar seem to be doing more and more multiplat stuff. GTA, FF and MGS were the games i grew up with so ps3 was almost a necessity. think it'll come down to hardware, media capability and innovation. shot myself in the foot a little with the purchase of blu-ray as i'm not sure how much it'll feature in future consoles that arn't sony based, but guess ps3 will always do that and buy 2012 be some really cheap blu-ray players on the market anyway.
u get bubbles just for the Tobias pic, Bigrhyno. I just started wasting more $ on XBL now that they have seasons 1-3 of Arrested Development, finishing last episode of season 1 tonight!
No its not a discussion, it fanboy properganda. As for the new console in 2011, i will defiantley be interested, anything that raises the standards of gaming interests me.
Awesome. Just like M$ to make the console market more PC oriented by making us have to upgrade every two or so years. Awesome M$. Should of just kept your sh1t software on the PC.... Maybe if they would of made their console more future proof...we wouldn't have this problem... Ya, anyways. I'm against the whole 2011 having a new console thing...
ur really annoying me with all that haha
The XBOX 360 came out in 2005 not 2006.
I'm just saying, I like it when consoles have a long life span to them. I don't have to worry about upgrading anything to play the latest games, like the PC, where you have to basically upgrade something every two years, have it be memory, a processor or something else. If M$ were to do this then it would also make Sony and Nintendo upgrade their consoles sooner then anticipated also. I don't like that...... @5.1 You comment "..... its the best OS out there " says it all. That made my day. And your calling me a fanboy.....
I'm sorry, I could have sworn I just read someone saying Windows is the best OS out there. Time for goldenzealot's nap, methinks.
What is funny is it's the fans that are making this all ok. We want movie games we want cine what ever 2.0. To do this they will have to be the first out once again. Had the PS3 came out a year later it may have had a 8800 in it but who knows? The race for graphics superiority is whats driving this not MS they just joined the game. The real problem is figuring out how to please the new tech hungry and the normal gamers also. I'm not crazy about MS either no one in their right mind is. Yet the only thing they have done wrong this gen is make a system that is not designed for ware and tear. The IEEE website states why this has happened and it all makes sense. But I will be on the wait and see side rather than just forget it. I don't have to like the company to play it's system. Good tech is good tech for the right amount money. Another thing is people want a standard and with out it you will continue here people say crazy stuff like the cell will make up for the lack of ram or it's just not being tapped. Standards are based on known facts and what tech can or can't do at certain points. It's like when AMD had the memory controller on the athlons it was better now with out even the same thing the core duo is crushing AMD. One thing does not solve all in computers and certain things can not be replaced unless true break throughs are made. Developer want a standard also. They want to make an object once or make an Ai once and then just build on them. Learning the whole thing over and over and over is cause lots of talent to leave the industry.
the average console lifespan is 5 years. As for the late adopter argument. There's no reason to believe a late adopter this gen will be an early adopter next-gen, so you'll still have plenty of time and plenty of games before you move on.
I'm gonna wait to get it I really cant afford to have another defective console. I went through 4 360's can you believe that luckily I still got my good old 60 gig PS3 I love them both though can't wait hope it's got blu ray but unlikely (doom)
who even reads pog posts?
I read them...beacuse he is my asshole friend xbot, and because he is the master of bullsh!t comments...I laugh so much whith his stupid dipsh!t comments...HA HA HA HA ...like me, POG just love crap games and crap consoles, so it's logic that his comments are crap!...We won PS3 fans, we only want crap!
not me, i have him on my xbot ignore list.
Xbox 720 in 2011, 721 in 2012, 722 in 2013 , 723 in 2014....Wow looks that we will have a lot of crap in that years....CRAP xbox we want more!!! Count whith me for this huge realease of Sh!t!!!
yes off course ps3 is sh*t (qwert)
Well they have to make it quiet. And fully backwardscompatible ofcourse. Heck if it where just quiet and cut the load times in half I'd buy it. :P But I wonder what media they will use. Some will say blueray ofcourse. But I wonder if it is fast enough. But I guess you could do like the Halo game on PC. You had an option to install to harddrive while you where playing. Don't know why ps3 games doesn't use that. Maybe the developers are just lazy.
Now THIS is a good article. I'm IN! I'd be hapy with a 720 next year, by all means contiune to support 360 M$, but give us graphic junkies the power we crave. The Xbox brand has always been for the hardcore, just like the Playstation has been for the Chav... HA HA HA HA!
After the release of the next-box. Sorry, but after 5 of these pile of crap 360's, I have learned my lesson. MS has some great games and no matter what happens, I am going to have a 360 to play but that doesn't mean I am going to be stupid enough to fall for them again. At least not right away! lol 360 = Great games, poor hardware.
PS3 is the preffered system. You dont have to worry about RRoD. You wont be the lucky person and you wont have to send your consoles back all the time to repair. You also dont have to worry about the amount of space on the HDD, since SONY provided every users with enough GBs. If you feel you dont have enough, you can always upgrade to 500gb HDD. Which is Mission Impossible on Sh1tBox360. On PS3 you wont have to worry about controller getting broken or, something wrong with the wires which break very often like cheap toys. PS3 is your ideal choice if you want to play at night without being heard. You dont have to worry about noise, and that your girlfriend will wake up and ask you if there was a plane flying by, when turning on the console. You will find the best titles which are on PS3 ofcourse such as : -Killzone 2 -LPB -Resistance 2 -Heavy Rain 3 -Siren -Motorstorm -GT5 -Haze These games are the most hot, and certainly not for XBOX 360 since it would automaticaly go RRoD when the disc is inserted. Again its too HOT. Blu Ray is you number one choice when it comes to home entartaiment. High capacity disc makes space for every smallest detail in the movie or in games. In 2009-10 you will see the hottest titles ever coming to PS3 as exclusive. Why not for XBOX ? The main reason is the poor backward generation DVD drive.. Rockstart Houser has said that unfortunately GTA 5 might be too big for the DVD disc. Enjoy smooth gameplay with mandatory installs which only take up about from 5-10 minutes. Play games without a single loading screen ! You probably know which title im talking about, if you dont then its Resistance 2. Enjoy free ONLINE services provided by SCE. Whoever said that PSN is laggy, they definetely need to get their facts right. Almost all games use P2P in games, which means information travels from 1 player to another. Which means that its up to your internet connection if you will have laggy times. When you have a good internet connection then you dont have to worry about high latency. Ever got tired of holding high weight objects for quite a long time ? Yea .. That happens when im holding this big white brick in my hands.. It feels like a workout in the gym. Feel the SIXAXIS PS3 controller which is as light as a feather compared to the XBOX 360 controller. You can enjoy those long hours in front of your massive HDTV. Without having too stretch your hands because they feel tired. Play on a system that is reliable. Buy from a company which has been in the gaming business for years, and knows how to make GOOD hardware and provide their players with cool games. Why wasting $43.99 on XBOX LIVE GOLD when you can play FREE online for an unlimited amount of time. Why would you pay for the game, then pay again in order to gain the right to play online ?? When you can play for free. Microsoft is about only about money, they will digg into sh1t in order to get a dollar out of there. Thats all i have to say about their company and their unsuccesful console. _____________________________ _______________________________ ________ All of you sh1tbox 360 owners give comments like oh, PS3 is sh1t. Which is an expected thing for a 9 year old to do. You are all pathetic and you DO NOT have good arguments to back up your XBOX !!! You now deep down that PS3 is the preffered system. Its better than XBOX 360. You feel it deep down, but you wanna deffend your system.. ok that is cool with me. BUT DO IT WITH GOOD ARGUMENTS !!! There is no competition for me over in this place, i might have to back away from n4g.com to another fanboy site , to SMOKE more XBOTS ! Because right here, i am bored and tired of XBOTS acting like little kids who cant come up with a good argument. P.u.s.s.i.e.s
I have read that same sh!t from you Droids for 3yrs now, put on a new record or "blu-ray" movie or somthing.
made it all worthwhile...waiting more than 2 years for a game that can finally hang with the big boys. oh boy, now let's wait another 2 years for another AAA title. wheeeeeee! Sony rules!!11!!
What you fail to remember with your "PS3 waits for AAA titles" is that the 360 followed the exact same pattern. Are you still playing KAMEO? No. Are you still playing PREY? No. Are you still playing PEERFECT DARK ZERO? No. Are you still playing NINETY NINE NIGHTS? No. Are you still playing AMPED3? No. Fact is, the 360 was out 8-12 months before the likes of "Gears", "Halo3" and "BioShock" started landing, so its not like you didn't wait for AAA titles either. You waited a year for your big titles, and now we're getting ours after a year or so. Its the same damned pattern. The difference is, I'm on my first PS3 and you're probably on your 3rd 360. Metal Gear Solid 4 was only the beginning. PLAY B3YOND.
MGS4 could both be only the beginning or a rare jewel in a sea of rough stones. I'm saying this because, for what has been shown, I'm having a hard time figuring out which could be the next Triple A title for the playstation 3. Now, Ps fans will disagree with me, and will tell you that I honestly don't post anything unless I've given it quite some thought. For example, Resistance 2. Whoever says it's shaping as a triple A title in its current form it vastly biased. The game features absolute average gameplay, visuals not on the level (or even close) of MGS4 or Gears 2 and very poor A.I. Insominiac will need to work their arses off before its release if they want to do better than they did with Resistance 1. I think that LBP will be a big niche game, it might be extremely popular among Playstation fan but I'm not if you can put this game in the level of full featured games. For example, yes a PSP game can get a 9/10, but will it be comparable to a 9/10 on the Playstation 3? Will it have the same impact? I honestly don't know, I could be right or wrong here. Apart from that, what else is coming out for the PS3 that should have their fans excited about this year? Remember that the guys at redmond have a full arsenal of titles awaiting to be released starting next month. Sony doesn't seem to be prepared, software wise, to counter that attack, in my modest opinion.
Respect and Bubbles. I can certainly respect your opinion, but I'd honestly have to disagree with you. I don't think you can justify claiming that PS3 owners who support Resistance2 are "biased", because 360/Xbox supporters have been the exact same way about Halo, which to me is the most "average" FPSer I've ever played. What doest the 360 honestly offer that I can't get on PS3 or PC? Seriously, if you take an honest look at the top 30-40 rated 360 titles you'd notice that most of them are also on PS3, and those that aren't are available on my PC. As a PS3 owner, I've been personally excited about: - Metal Gear Solid 4 - Final Fantasy XIII - God of War III - Gran Turismo 5 - Uncharted Drakes Fortune - Killzone 2 - Disgaea 3 (also multiplats like Oblivion, CoD4, Fallout3, BioShock, GTA4 etc)
Think about it, it isn't like last generation when games were coming out left, right, and centre. It isn't about Microsoft, Sony, or Nintendo it's about the whole generation moving a lot slower. In two years time I know for sure I won't be getting any next generation console. I'll only think about it around the 7 - 10 year mark and that's about it. Last generation people were begging for a new console and since you can do so much with these consoles, why get another in two years. I honestly think the Nintendo Wii will age the fastest just based on the software (games). The more you can do with the console besides gaming, will make a lot of buyers wait a lot longer. Last generation there were no movie rentals, online stores, online 3D communities, HD (High Definition) downloads...etc. With that alone will last me, let alone the games themselves. The next consoles would have to really impress me besides graphics otherwise it makes no point upgrading, if my current console can do the same. This is what will hold people back what can it do that my last console won't offer? The best analogy I can come up with is buying a console is like buying a house. Once you make the investment it will be hard for you to convince me to move out within 5 years if everything I need is in this location.
I'd like to see how the 360 will last till 2011 considering how it comes last in sales week after week after week after week. And the gap in which it gets beat will only be more, and more, and more. Bad business is what i believe its called. And if MS are trying to stretch the 360's life to 2011, that is nothing short of moronic.
sony having dominated with wii like sales figures for a decade, can now rarely scrape 200k a month more than the new kid on the block WORLDIDE! and i'm being generous with the 200K bad business you believe it's called?? what making money on the hardware, a killing on xbox-live, and having the highest attach rate equating to more and more software royalties is bad businiess??? interesting. when sony are reported to be losing $200 on each console, dont charge for on-line, and dont have the attach rate meaning lower royalties. sony are using the profitable ps2 to help bolster the sluggish ps3 me thinks. sony will come second after nintendo this gen guaranteed, but at the expense at losing a massive chunk of what was once their exclusive market. next gen, the one after and the one after that will see things tighten up between the three platform holders...i would'nt put my money on sony bouncing to victory next gen if i was a gambler. if the ps3 had been another ps2 and sewn up the market already, then i wouldn't say it. but seeing as it's nowhere near what the ps2 was well...and please dont link some stupid vgchartz rubbish saying that it's on track with the ps2. when it's clear to even blind people that it's not. and the 9k a week average in japan is a testement to how far sony have fallen. especially when nintendo are averaging around 45/50K a week. it's gonna be a few years before microsoft recoup all their investment in the xbox brand. but i think they will do it, turn from red to black in that part of their business, and may even challenge for the top spot in a generation or two. only time will tel. but, whatever happens....it's great to be a gamer with these companys fighting for our money.
Actually I totally would bet on Sony next gen. If MS releases a 720 in 2011 I guarantee you that people are gonna wait and see on the hardware side to make sure they aren't stiffed. Probably wait till Sony releases their hardware to make a comparison before buying. Wii? By 2012-13 the Wii is going to be so outdated that the public impression of Wii2, will be negative not positive. When the Wii2 comes out, consumers will be thinking, "meh gonna be the same underpowered hardware with the loads of crapware games like Wii 1." and that's assuming Nintendo doesn't come up with a newer more innovative controlling mechanism. If they come out with the same mote... both the 720 and PS4 will crush Nintendo with the same implementations.
@thewhoopimen the only way next gen crushes nintendo is going to be by price and power ratios... with that price being around 250-$300 tops unless nintendo goes all high tech like their older systems. If you remember the N64, GC, and even the SNES where pretty high tech for their time. "By 2012-13 the Wii is going to be so outdated that the public impression of Wii2, will be negative not positive." the public clearly does not care about what you and me care about. They all have DS and standard dvd players and only 12% last time I check had HDtvs. The design of the Wii is timeless that's the problem. Most tech people do not see this. I mean look at a frank loyd wright building and tell me that was built in 1920s? The only thing the public truly cares about is safety and money. The tech public will care about whats new on computers and the kids will be left with consoles. Believe me if the price would have been right then nintendo would have 4 cores and a HD GPU also. They made the right move and that's always been a standard for console the bulk of your sales are only at certain price levels. tech does not always keep people from making good games the PS2 is a prime example. I also want to point out only tech that lowers prices is a tech that can crush any thing. Very few pay for performance specs if the price is not right. You will see companies still using pentium 4s LOL when they know they need to upgrade. CD and DVDs where wanted because the price did not exceed a certain level and it was a level of quality they wanted. Hey I'm all for some crushing because I benefit yet I hope MS and SONY have a better plan this time around because if they are all on the same level and around a certain price range then nintendo will win again due to them jump starting their own market with their own games rather than tech.
I missed the boat on lower prices crushing all tech... and I agree with you 100% on that note. But my bet is that by 2011, 80% of people are going to have an HDTV. Maybe not now in 2008 but 3-4 years it's going be a different story. If the price points are going to be tighter in 2011, I think people will actually take the time to look at quality. As you've seen in recent N4g postings, both Sony and Microsoft have Wii-mote implementations ready. Your points of timelessness make me believe that Nintendo is going the way of Tiger. Meaning future owners of game consoles will have Nintendos for young kids and Sony/Microsoft consoles for teens to adults. Frankly, as much as there is a consistent market in the youth crowd, its just like every toy out there. A toy.
uninformed people and/or simple minded fan boys are the ones that will wait in line to buy a console on day one. you have to be a tool to make the same, over $300 mistake. they will fool you twice so shame on you! just think of the computer some people could have gotten if they didnt have to buy 4 360's =/ i have nothing against the games on the 360 (well i dont like halo) but the whole hardware debacle this gen should detour any normally thinking person from getting the nextbox immediately upon release. not to mention it will be new hardware just like the ps3 was so its going to take at least a year to program CORRECTLY for. and the install base of the ps3 will be so high developers will shun the next box off the bat like they did with the ps3 because of the year head start install base the 360 had. i realize i will get a ton of disagrees because ive noticed mainly xbox fans posting in here so far, but seriously people, think logically.. dont be a pathetic tool. you work hard for your money, well you should at least, dont just throw it away. ill go with the non tool option and wait until they get things going and make sure the hardware isnt another EPIC failure.
"ill go with the non tool option and wait until they get things going and make sure the hardware isnt another EPIC failure." What about the ps1 and ps2??? Both were notorious for hardware failures. I owned atleast 5 ps2's. Microsoft atleast extended the warranty unlike Sony with their ps2.