Square Enix: PS3 Last Remnant Delay "mainly for development reasons"

As you know, the PLAYSTATION 3 version of Square Enix's The Last Remnant will come out sometime after the Xbox 360 version. In a new interview with Square Enix, GameSpy asked them why it is coming out on the Xbox 360 first.

"This is mainly for development reasons. We're developing the game using the middleware Unreal Engine, and the Unreal Engine has a slower development on the PS3 side. It was only really workable after Unreal Tournament was published, so this was mainly a development decision."

[sonarus]

Just as i suspected. Getting UT3 to come out first on the PS3 was a smart move by sony because it allowed Epic to tackle the UE3 problems with the PS3 first hand and then pass it on to other devs. Now its a lot easier for other developers making games running on the unreal engine

[Meus Renaissance]

Well if developers like SE are still having problems with what, what exactly has Sony achieved with Epic?

[Wildarmsjecht]

I think its more that the UE isn't an engine for every platform anymore, and even though it's "supposed" to be easy, when there's other ways to make essentially the same game, the UE falls short. But for multiplats that choose to use the engine, there's going to be some issues involved.

[sonarus]

Well development is rolling on and didn't really start rolling till UT3 so they have achieved something:D

[solidt12]

Im glad they explained this. i can't til this game comes out on the PS3.

[sumfood4u]

Bring out FFXIII

[deeznuts]

Meus, these games take years to develop. If Epic and Sony didn't get it started, it is possible the delay could be longer to get running the same on both.

Just guessing.

[mikeslemonade]

Unreal 3 engine will be a thing of the past after the next set of Unreal 3 engine games are annouced. The engine has been done to death everything from sports games to RPGs. As a developer you don't want to make a generic game.

[ThanatosDMC]

Is it me or chances are this game is probably going to look outdated and will be plagued with small maps and lots of loading screens. Just as Army of Two and other Unreal Engine games...

[Wildarmsjecht]

I dont know if its Bioshock incident, cuz MS made it seem as if it were exclusive. This is garaunteed to come to the PS3, but the Unreal Engine still isn't user friendly with the PS3, so it'll take more time. With SE having some financial issues, they probably wanted to get something out and make some form of money. Still, so long as they're working on it and making it a good release on the PS3. Who knows. Maybe they'll throw in a little something extra, like a demo for FF13 or versus by the time it comes out.

[chidj2]

they should trie the withe engine the same of FF13

o i rememeber something

the xbox 360 cant support withe engine

[v1c1ous]

the white engine has been redone to work even with the wii

but nice try with the troll comment.

[iamtehpwn]

However, the PS3 build of Crystal Tools can use the Cell's SPEs giving it an distinct advantage. Square Enix says the result is near CGI quality in Real time.

But I still think they should have used (the white engine)Crystal tools.

[IQUITN4G]

Wow sense the bitterness

[pwnsause]

Crystal Tools engine is compatible with the 360, but optimized to work amazing with the PS3. expect an MMO by square enix with this engine on both platforms.

[PirateThom]

The only reason this doesn't use Crystal Tools is because it was in development when White Engine was around and only worked with PS3.

Because Last Remnant is a multiplatform game, they licensed UE.

Expect any SE multiplats in the future to use Crystal Tools and have an advantage on PS3 due to SPE use and the fact it will be the lead platform.

[TheHater]

And I am sure the Green the got from MS didn't have anything to do with it. :)

[g3nkie]

What? M$ wouldn't do that.

[MR LOOKINGBILL]

The UE3 was really designed with the pc and 360 in mined. All games that has used this engine on the ps3 has been delayed time after time..this is no surprise.

[DontH8DPlayaH8DConsl]

I like the fact they're not forcing a same day release! If its ready then just let it go!

[sticky doja]

+Bubble for your unbiased logic

[Xakep]

"Mainly for development reasons, because we have to let the check for timed exclusivity get into the developer's hands"

[tweaker]

UE3 for Last Remnant? No thanks.

[chidj2]

yeah sure..........

The engine reportedly uses 4 of the 6 synergistic processing elements (SPEs) that are available to games running on the Cell processor, to achieve near-pre-rendered CGI quality in realtime.[4]

in xbox they are going to use 4 mb of the 10 eDRAM ?

yeah the engine was remaded but sooo diferent in every console

[PirateThom]

The White Engine was designed to make PS3 development easier and any multiplatform SE game using Crystal Tools will already have an advantage with PS3, since it's still primarily a tool for PS3 development only allowing assets to be ported to other consoles.

[Gitaroo]

exactly what I said many times.

[gamesR4fun]

Just how much cash m$ floated their way...

Time for $ony ta start playing hardball too imo.

[G1TR4P3D]

u mean make a console which doesn't suck?

[gamesR4fun]

that woulda been nice but rrod no standard hd and games that tend to be more hype than substance i doubt ms will b able to fix it all this gen.

[juuken]

Excuses, excuses.

[xplosneer]

I won't say much different either: Most(not all but MOST) UE3 engine games are 1)Delayed 2)Look Worse with Aliasing problems 3)Are at least said to be "Hard to work with" on PS3. Most games that are made by in house or other open platforms even, turn out better on PS3. There may be instances where I'm wrong and there is a good game using UE3, but usually there is something better on a different engine.

[DarkSniper]

Sony has a 10 year product life cycle. While this game may be delayed due to development reasons, it's safe to assure that most titles will be lead developed on PS3 due to developers realizing it's unlimited potential.

PLAYSTATION®3 is undoubtedly the more superior system. The proof of this is the fact that Square needs to use the Unreal Engine just to get a decent game running on XBox 360. PS3 clearly doesnt need this.

$niper

[chidj2]

this i was trying to say thank u

[LuHawk]

you fools dun lost yall mind sony does not have the superior hardware

[Varsarus]

Unfortunetly, because of the 360's weak hardware, PS3 version of multiplatform games have to be dumbed down, even if it was lead platform, just for the sake for that the 360 wouldn't be able to handle the amazing technology PS3 produces in upcoming exclusives.

[REDZEV]

I think what you really mean Snipes is " Unlimited Dissapointment". you can have your 10 year life cycle too because its meaningless. just 10 years of delays and alot of broken promises. buddy

[juuken]

REDZEV fails yet again.
Translation: This damn fool has no idea what he's talking about.

[Fragking28]

now all of the microsoft gave them a blank check talk should stop. This is straight from their moutso dont blame the 360 for the ps3's shortcoming and vice versa.

[meepmoopmeep]

i wonder who they have working on it since their best teams are focused on XIII & Versus

[Mr Fancy Pants]

Unreal Engine sux. The only games that look good with that engine are the ones Epic produces...

[TooL 316]

i don't believe it for a min, this reeks of bs. I remember a few months back square-E mention that they were looking for partners in north america. i think Microsoft took the bait and threw money at them.

[chidj2]

like other user said

they used unreal engine beacuse xbox 360 thats all

[Jigsaw-]

They got payed,then how come bioshock is coming this fall and that uses the unreal engine?

[Qbanboi]

I loved Unreal Engine when i first saw it on Gears of War. But f*ck, i hate it so much right now. I see it everywhere, on good games, on bad games, on cheap game, sometimes even in my dreams (believe me, you don't want to dream on UE3). I'm really getting tire of it.

[REDZEV]

What!!! an other PS3 game delayed??? no this cant be!!! IM saddened. maybe if we all join forces we can start a Square Petition to get them to keep there promises and bring it out on time.I mean what is a sony fanboy to do??? this totally ruined my week........NOT

[juuken]

OH BLOODY NOES, THE PS3 HAS YET ANOTHER DELAAAAAY! I MUST NOW MAKE FUN OF OWNAZZZZ FOR THAAAAAT...DUR, DUR, DUUUUUR.

Oh shut the hell up while you're ahead. Hey, the 360 has a lot of games so why aren't you playing something?

[REDZEV]

Hey junken sorry I touched a nerve with you fanboys Tonight. You guys are so emotional. As for playing something I think ill pull out my PS2 tonight. I love my PS2

[juuken]

I'm not emotional. You're the one who's trying to get people riled up just for your own satisfaction. Run along and play your PS2. It's still considered to be one of the best systems on the market anyway.

Oh, and it's *fangirl*, should you use that term.

[no_more_heroes]

I'm not sure if UE3 will ever work properly on the ps3.

[i_like_ff7]

friken unreal engine.

[kewlkat007]

I'm getting this for the Xbox 360...

Don't forget the Unreal Problems should have ended after UT3 was out, since they tweaked it for the PS3 already.

GO CELTICS!!!

[kazuma]

last remnant was announced multi-platform may 10 2007. let's assume work started by then (which it didn't , it started way before) and it's using the unreal engine 3. now everyone knows about the unreal engine problems last year, and epic sorted them out by the end of 2007 (ut3 launch). what the article says is that since the unreal engine was only workable after ut3, there has been almost a year in which the development of the ps3 version was slower than xbox360.

[KillaManiac]

Ya...I might end up getting it for 360, but because of the Delay...ya never know if there might be some "Special" content when its released 6months- year later.

O...and ya...Celtics FTW!!

[beavis4play]

if you look at the great results konami, insomniac, naughty dog, GG, ninja theory, polyphony are getting without it; why would anyone use it? especially square; their white engine is supposed to be producing unbelievable FF13 visuals. what gives square?

[ZeVeX]

eXactly, i really wish they'd stop using the UE3, its kinda dated now, and all the games that use it look the same, and there's better engines out there, what about the cry engine or something, use that! anything but UE3!

[chidj2]

the withe engine (crystal tools)

can give better results in ps3 CGI quality for one reason CELL
in eggsbox idk but definilly not even closer to the ps3 results with this engine

[Says you]

Gets delayed first not only do we get the better version like the XBox 360 version that takes a very long time like Unreal Tournament III

and yet XBox 360 fans think they don't have delays this shouldn't take them so long for that game if its only Unreal Tournament III

hey REDZEV hows Alan Wake and Halo Wars and Splinter Cell??

how am I spinning this Snukadaman its true you'll get yours first and we'll get the better version I mean its as simple as that how the hell am I spinning this?.

[Snukadaman]

People want buy a console and wait for the better version confirmed. roflmao. @Juuken was this about a game on the 360 being delayed or on ps3...ohh wait..its on the ps3....and dont worry about my 3 bubbles...Ill just make a new account like you. @posted keep on doing your popeye laugh....its not like you have anything to add to the debate anways. @jukken 2...how is that a cheap shot..seriously. you want to whine about games on the xbox being delayed but this isnt a xbox game being delayed...waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa hhhhh baby. You droids love to dish it out but cant take it when its time to pay the piper..get over it.

[juuken]

Snuka...that's why idiots like you are down to three bubbles. Your games get delayed the same way as well. Wow, what a way to use cheapshots.

Why thank you Posted! :3

[PoSTedUP]

ahhhhhhhgagagagagagag <------Popeye laugh : )

@ jukken- you go girl!

[Snukadaman]

Cmon we dont know what the hells happening with ps3 development and I wont sit here and act like I do...its a con to get a version of a game later then another console plain and simple....lets be honest..if it was the xbox that was being delayed the comments would be reversed but with most of you people defending you would be laughing your asses off...since its reverse its such a travesty.

[PoSTedUP]

this isnt a big deal, im not worried, its just funny cause jukken made a good point. i was just laughing cause i laugh dog, it was funny. if i wanted to help the debate i would of but ill just leave that up to the kids and hop in when someone says something stupid. but if you want a real comment from me here you go..

thats bull sh*t. devs suck if they cant get use to the ps3 by now. thats all there is to it. and if they want an equal game they should know by now to make the ps3 there lead console cause the ps3 cant read the 360's code very good. there takeing longer for this game, if the 360 version turns out a lil bit better, then they truly suck compared to activision, konami etc. if activision can make the games equal and at the same time, then you know who the better dev's are, peroid.

wasent this game suppose to be timed exclusive to 360? j/w cause i though thats what i herd.

[kewlkat007]

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[Chaos Striker]

10:44 to go!!

[Common Sense]

The PS3 CPU is superior to the 360's but the superiority of either RSX or Xenos GPUs is in question. The full utilization of either CPU is up to the developer.

Edit: I agree Chidj2. The Cell and RSX combination is the bomb. They work so well together. The Cell can help with the stuff you listed and the RSX can access the superfast 3.2GHZ XDR memory. The PS3 has a lot of power and potential but the 360 is no slacker either. Gotta give credit where credit is due.

Go Celtics!!!

[chidj2]

yeahh

lights effects, particles effects, motion effects, and shader effects oh and some other stuff

polygon managment too

its like

70% 30% GPU

[poos3]

these 2 ps3 fanboys are delusional haha cpu handles all those graphics effects ? hahaha retards maybe on the ps3 as the gpu is a joke but on the pc ,xbox /every graphical intensive task i n the world the gpu is what handles graphics you can clearly seethis inthegears of war 2 footage compared to killzone gears of war 2 footage is showing a massive amoutn of graphical programming not capable ont he ps3 so many effects happing at 1s all in real time not liek killzone 2 all scripted events onthe lvl shown similar to cod 1 on th epc the opening sequnce was similar to killzone every thing is scripted 4 enemeis on scren 1s and the game has no detial everything looks clean and bland no deatial fo rthe gpu to process unlike gears of war 2.

[ChrisGTR1]

wow. you know, sony shot their consumers and theirselves in the foot by making the ps3 so hard to develop for. i would of never though that the 360 would be the best console to play jrpgs on.

[G1TR4P3D]

THOSE DAMN LAZY DEVS!!!111

ROFL.

[power of Green]

PS3 fanboys actually thought MSFT payed for a time exclusive deal?. LOL@ some of the PS3 fanboys claiming this is just now being cleared up and they're glad its on PS3 when no one thought this game was exlcusive but payed for by MSFT.

PS3 can't run many engines well, expect the PS3 version to be inferior lets hope the devs don't gimp the 360 version. So far it seems like they will not gimp the 360 version as they have other games to compete with hence the delay vs trying to double release trying to match them still gimping the 360 version while the PS3 version still being inferior.

[kevin1122]

dont get why square isnt using the white engine for the ps3 version. This is why multiplatform titles can suck, they have to be exactly the same and use the same engine even tho they have a better one running for a different game.

[Mr_Luke]

Too bad they didn't use their middleware, the White Engine. According to me the game would look awesome anyway and would be out at the same time. Btw i don't care so much, i want FF XIII and Versus ;P