Acid Nerve's Titan Souls may never launch on the Xbox One. This is due to Microsoft's strange parity clause wherein indies need to launch their games on all platforms together or first on Xbox One.
C'mon, Microsoft, drop the clause. It's only holding you back now.
There's a lot more holding MS back then just this clause...
Last gen because the 360 was leading the PS3 for years, this clause caused games to come out much later on the PS3, or sometimes not at all. This gen it's working against them, with the XB1 trailing so far behind the PS4 many small devs would rather just ship on the PS4 and skip the XB1 all together. Fewer games is never good, despite what completely delusional fanboys might want you to believe.
Indies have never liked Microsoft. Nothing new here.
That seems to be a bit of a blanket statement. i seem to recall indies didnt like their product placement in the XBL marketplace so MS made a special section just for them. it certainly made finding their style of games much easier since then. But to say indies "never" liked MS....yeah, no. Indies got more promotion on the 360 than the ps mini did on the PS3 (mini's are indie games too).
It's the first of the sensationalist parity clause reports that actually makes it sound like more than an urban myth. I'd still like to see this clause on some formal documentation, or better yet see some correspondence from Microsoft that proves a game gets denied release. Seems like a pretty simple thing a gaming journalist could explore properly.
So you need more proof than the mountains of devs complaining about the parity clause, and who are NOT releasing their games on XBO? Come on, man. This isn't fake, just open your damn eyes.
Yes, because there are numerous examples of games released on the One after the PS4, and 0 solid examples of a dev having a problem. This is the first one that actually sounds like he has seen this policy defined somewhere. How hard can it be to source some correspondence that confirms the details?
I assume you're talking about games like Outlast which released later on XBO. Those games are exempt from the clause because the developer signed up as an Xbox developer after the initial games release. The parity clause only affects devs who are already signed up and whose games have not yet been released. Microsoft does make some exceptions though for really popular, high profile developers. But for most developers, they either have to launch on Xbox first, or simultaneously, or they can't launch their game on Xbox at all. For smaller teams it's extremely difficult to launch games on so many platforms at once, that's why they have to stagger the platform launches.
Someone else said that above, but what's the source? The outlast dev said they went through the standard application process, and no parity clause was ever mentioned. That could be because caveats around when they sign up, it could be around the established success of the game, or it could be a as temporarily waving the clause because they're struggling vs the PS4. But if sites want to continuously report on this clause and not establish any facts about it then they are being sensationalist, and the articles carry very little worth.
Garbage looking game anyways, looking forward to sunset overdrive, halo etc. Full games, the real reason someone should spend 400+ on a console. Not indie games that looks like a SNES game lol.
You are spot on. I got my System for the Forzas, Halos and Sunset Overdrives of the Gaming World. Most of these are Indie games for a reason, because no one wants to publish them.
you guys are so deluded. I bought a ps4 for Uncharted, GoW Bloodbourne, The order and all those games that out number the competitor in # and some argue quality. but then i get these smaller games if i want them. You guys are so deluded it's not even a fair fight for anyone to attempt to break down the concrete walls you guys put up.
You're saying all indie games are indie because nobody wants to publish them? You're totally right, it has nothing to do with devs wanting the creative freedom to make the games they want to make without corporate breathing down their necks to make it more "appealing to everyone" like they do with COD, Watch Dogs, etc. Sure, some don't get published because they might be trash, but some are simply start ups from new and untrusted devs and they might not get published regardless of the quality of their game. Know who else once was an untrusted dev? Every developer in the world. Devs don't have any credibility until they make a good game and publishers not giving these new devs a chance means that we're gonna keep getting the same crap over and over again. Gaming isn't static, though it may feel like it here and now because of all of the old blood pushing all of the old ideas, but the truth is, it's always changing and always growing. Indie devs are the new blood and some of these guys are going to be the new Naughty Dogs, Rockstars, and Bungies that will try to truly innovate while the majority of AAA studios just renovate.
Good grief you fanboys are delusional. Indie… it's short for independent. These indie devs are in the industry to be self-published. They don't want a controlling publisher telling them how to create a game that they don't want to make. That is why they create their own studios in the first place and make content that they want to make and that others find fun to play. But yeah… concentrate on the visuals rather than what the game represents in its rawest form…. GODDAMN GAMEPLAY. It's a retro Dark Souls mixed with Shadow of the Colossus. It's a challenging game, and it's a fun game. Nintendo DS had some of the best and most fun games of last generation, and look at the graphics of most of said games. You fanboys will never learn, you'll just keep an argument rolling based on nothing but conjecture and ignorance.
out of curiosity.. minecraft looks like its ps1/saturn era and it's also an indie.. your thoughts on it being one of the most successful games ever created even though it has dated graphics and it's an indie?
Did you get your console for Battlefield 4 as well? That well known AAA fps which didn't have any problems for months on end and wasn't unfinished whatsoever :P I'd rather play indie games now rather than these bloated AAA wannabe games from big publishers. I'm a PC gamer and we accept all kinds of games whether it be indie, AAA or somewhere in between. If you're so closed minded that you won't play or even accept indie games then things are going to get very boring for you when you're playing the same games year after year from the same publishers. Microsoft are actually controlling what you can and cannot play. How's it feel to be brainwashed to hate indie games? :)
I don't know how does it feel, to be wannabe elitist hipster. And you want to lecture him about being closed minded, that's funny. So it's perfectly fine for you to trash triple a games but he can't do the same to indie's, yeah doesn't work that way. Both you types are just annoying really, regardless of whatever platform you prefer to play on.
but he's right. I may have an xbox, but I recognize his point. There are so many steam games on PC that are indies that I wish were on consoles (my xbox) but aren't. In truth I can look at the list of xbox games that have come out in the 360's entire lifetime thus far and only enjoyed about maybe 7-10 games truly. If they had more indies I could be playing even more games and happily put more of my $$$ in M$ pockets, but alas, they don't have any really smashing titles that I can't get elsewhere anymore. As my friends upgrade to PS4, PC, or holding out for Steam Machine I will have to follow suit eventually and the console or PC/Steambox that has the most games and my friends on it, thats where I'll inevitably end up.
That's some tree-hugging bulls**t right there pal. Buy an android tablet and enjoy homemade crud. I detest this "indies are made by gamers for gamers" crap that gets spewed. Indies are games which aren't picked up by publishers, or made by a bunch of college dorks. Yes, some can be fun and I have enjoyed some of them for 10 minutes here or half a hour there, but the juggernaut of gaming will be absolutely fine without the indie option. There are plenty of indies to play on the ZX Spectrum and C64. Go.
i will never spend that much on a console to play indie games exclusive. that is somewhat retarded. but with easy to use dev tools and consoles that are easy to program for we will be getting a lot more this generation. many publishers dont publish these games because it has too many risks and just not worth them investing in it to find a goldmine like minecraft. another point is that many indie devs are taking gigantic risks such as a decent stable income. but they have full control on what they want to make. some indie games can be more enjoyable then aaa, they also dont have the pressure to release mind blowing 3d games that utilise the latest technology. too many aaa games get criticised for their graphics when that shouldnt be the main focus.
So, it's official. A game not coming to the Xbox is now seen as a positive. Fanboyism has officially hit a new low. There aren't enough palms or faces in the world to accurately covey my dismay, exasperation or embarrassment.
lol the goal posts are moved so often it's insane. It's as if these being released on the system means you are held at gun point to purchase. Or that's at least how the trolls make it sound. Choice is good for EA Access Right? But choice is bad on more games......................... .............................
@blacktar187 I was thinking the same thing! I remember quite a few of these people in this threads saying how great it was that MS was giving them a choice with EA access but now its great that they don't? They will say ANYTHING to justify that snake of a companies actions. These people are delusional/shills and killing our industry. Can we PLEASE stop responding to shills like Darth and Death? The threads would be a lot neater. We all know what they are and what they stand for. Just try it for a month, mark them for trolling and ignore their post and we can be rid of them.
more like we don't care about this game, article is irrelevant to people who don't play indies, xbox one = no indies. So yaaa We just don't care
So it's just a convenient coincidence that certain people don't like ANY indie games that don't have an Xbone release date?
So all 5 million Xbox One owners don't care about the games you don't care about. Talk about self-centered.
its not really fanbpyism in a sense. some people just dont like indie games or has yet to play them. give them super mario world and they may just say its fun but i rather play xyz. however, the indie vs aaa may have been caused by fanboyism in the start. i reckon lots of ps4 fanboys have been going over the top about indies because ps4 has more. but thats just my take. indies shouldnt really be compared to full retail in the same sense as how xbla or psn games were never really compared to full retail. i just hate how any article can be turned and used as bait for fanboy wars.
Love seeing Microsoft's bullying tactics backkfire on them. Great news
Wouldn't really call it bullying. Why should ms'fans have to wait 3-4 months for a game? Indie developers last gen didn't have problems launching their games on both platforms at the same time
Xbox fans have to wait because MS isn't "top dog" anymore they are the runt of the litter :) So wait your turn while the alphas get to have their fun first :P
I'm sure MS is kicking themselves. I'm sure threre's millions of people looking to buy these shit indie games. I'll be playing real elite indie games like Cuphead, Ori and Below in a few months.
"I'll be playing real elite indie games like Cuphead, Ori and Below in a few months." If I had a morning coffee, I would have spat it out. You will be playing small scale indie games whilst PS4/Vita/PC gamers will be playing the following, including several large-scale ambitious indie games and games from critically-acclaimed game studios: - The Tomorrow Children - ABZU - Velocity 2X - The Talos Principle - Alienation - PIX The CAT - Journey - The Vanishing of Ethan Carter - SOMA - Grim Fandango - Not A Hero - Helldivers - Assault Android Cactus - Secret Ponchos - Broforce - H-Hour: World's Elite - The Unfinished Swan - Everybody’s Gone to the Rapture - Dreamfall Chapters - Hotline Miami 2 - Loadout - WiLD - No Man’s Sky - RiME Why are those last 3 listed as separate? 'Cause those 3 are legit system-selling IPs, larger than ANY Xbone indie game, and larger than even some of the AAA games we've seen so far this gen. Yeah… Cuphead, Ori and Below are WAY, WAY, WAYYYYYYY more "elite" than any of those "shit" indie games that aren't on Xbone. You know, Xbox fanboys cannot deal with PlayStation being ahead in the areas where they have been confirmed to be ahead, so they make up stories to make themselves feel better that they have less choice on a lesser gaming platform. How sad.
If it's good and the developer wants to do it then it will come to xbox, if it's crap then it won't.
Ouch! Shooting themselves in the foot yet again!
good!!! There are a handful of good indies.
Most of these games that don't come due to the parity clause are usually really awful games. The really great ones like Inside, cuphead, outlast, ect come without a problem or get ported a few months afterwards. No big deal to me. It filters the crap indie games and allows the truly great ones in. This game looks awful. If the parity clause means I'll miss out on this then so be it. I have Cup head, Ori, Below, and host of other interesting downloadable titles to choose from.
what's it like? You know living in lalalalla land?
You think this game actually looks good or on par with the other indie games confirmed for Xbox One? Super Time force just completely destroys this game from top to bottom.
Don't worry, he has gamer####, Gameon####, Gamefan####, etc there to agree with himself...oops, I mean, him.
@ gamerfan0909 "You think this game actually looks good or on par with the other indie games confirmed for Xbox One? Super Time force just completely destroys this game from top to bottom." Wow. That is like trying to compare Shadow of the Colossus to Bayonetta. Two vastly different game types with difference visuals and play styles. Plus, I'd like to know how you believe STF - as you quote - "destroys" Titan Souls. Quantitatively? Or just because you are an Xbox fanboy and believe that you now how good (or bad) a game is from looking at a short video and a couple of screenshots? ----- Do you think Super Time Force is on par with the other indie games confirmed for the PS4? Most on this list of PS4 indies look as good as Super Time Force, with many of them looking WAY, WAYYYY better and more ambitious (and I'm not even making an effort here, I could go on): - The Tomorrow Children - ABZU - Velocity 2X - The Talos Principle - Alienation - PIX The CAT - Journey - The Vanishing of Ethan Carter - SOMA - Grim Fandango - Not A Hero - Helldivers - Assault Android Cactus - Secret Ponchos - Broforce - The Unfinished Swan - Everybody’s Gone to the Rapture - Dreamfall Chapters - WiLD - No Man’s Sky - RiME - Hotline Miami 2 - Loadout AND I dare for you to prove to me otherwise. Have fun using one game to try and prove your point against an army of great-looking games on PS4. It's lists like this that keep proving that your "filtering out the crap" means absolutely nothing, except in confirming your delusional bias. Your excuses are nothing but damage control.
"The really great ones like Inside, cuphead" Oh RIGHT… you mean the ones you haven't played? That's REAL funny. Somehow the indie games that make headlines due to criticism of Microsoft's parity clause and because they're coming first to PS4/Vita/PC, are not "the great ones". It's the ones that are CONVENIENTLY, on Xbox One. ------ "This game looks awful." Why? What about it looks awful? The gameplay? Nope? The visuals? It's retro-styled and has some very pretty art. Even Polygon are interested in it. The game looks great in concept and execution: https://www.youtube.com/wat... You think that a parity clause "weeds out the crap"? NOPE. It means you have blatantly less choice because Microsoft says so, and you suck it up like a fanboy. Such delusion.
sorry but this game looks like something i owned in the atari era...
So does minecraft
yup, thats why its not my cup of tea either. not saying others won't like this or mine craft, just not me.
And good games didn't exist until Xbox was created, right?
They did and they were and some are still great, this is just not my preferred graphic style.
that clause sounds so childish...if I don't get it before he does I DONT WANT IT. Consoles should be welcoming, sure it might be shovel ware, but no one is forcing anyone to buy it. If console manufacturers thought like the guys who says they buy consoles for only big games, then the console would probably only get 5-6 games a year.
Sadly I think that's all they want, a handful of the same games with the same gameplay until next gen to get fed the same handful of games again, just a prettier paint job. Normally I wouldn't dare judge or intrude on someone else's gaming or how or where they spend their funds, but that crap affects the ENTIRE industry because everyone else becomes lazy or looking to "maximize" their profits at the expense of us the consumer/gamer. Gaming was here long before dudebros starting buying cod, Madden, halo, forza and the like over and over and over and will be here long after they have left.
This is a great comment. You would get a few games at Christmas and sports games. I say more games the better. There's a lot of PS+ games that I never thought I would like but got to try for free and it made me pay attention to all new games released as there may be some quality games to play in between all these AAA games. You want to sell me your game for $5-10-15? I'll check it out and might buy it. To me those are rental and extended rental costs. Oh ya, I used to rent games like crazy, I'm crazy old.
Apple store should have a parity clause,store is filled with cyber junk... thnk god ms realizes this.
Have you seen the Microsoft application store on Windows
Parity clause... http://www.quickmeme.com/im...
Lol. Awesome. I can't believe all these comments I read. Lmao
This is getting ridiculous. Are Xbox fans really this.... THIS???
I certainly am all for having as many games as we can in all stores so missing out on a game solely due to the parity clause isn't a good thing. That said, this game looks like utter garbage and honestly I don't care if it came to the Xbox One store or not as I would never play it.
I thought Xbox fans were the champions of consumer choice though? Least that's what I heard about EA access everytime it got brought up. It should be up to us, right? So you'd rather pay $30 bucks a year to play old sports games but no to smaller games because they don't appeal to you? Or have a $10 million dollar budget? Thank god you don't speak for this XB1 owner.
@CBaoth... reading is fundamental my friend: "I certainly am all for having as many games as we can in all stores so missing out on a game solely due to the parity clause isn't a good thing." Pretty sure that's clear. I also said I don't care for this particular game but that isn't me saying I don't want it to appear in the store. Just not a game I am personally interested in.
Then please quit trying to denigrate a game because it may not release on your preferred console. What I read is you trying to play the white knight altruistic angle while implying something else. You're not fooling anyone because I've had several years to discern your bias. Just admit it - the parity clause is garbage. It's ok, you can still like MS!
I certainly am not denigrating this game because it may not release on my preferred console. I just found what I saw to be quite displeasing to me personally. I am pretty sure I am allowed an opinion just as you are. I am more than happy to say the parity clause is a bad thing. I think it is limiting for the xbox consumer base and would certainly like to see it disappear. Clearly MS is being pretty lose with this parity clause as we have seen many games already come to the X1 that originated on other consoles. If you are going to be lose with its enforcement you might as well do away with the clause. Lastly, I have never hidden my preference to the xbox consoles. I have no problem acknowledging good games, hardware and policies from other companies nor am I unwilling to own other consoles. PS1, PS2 and PS3 all have had time in my cabinet and long ago the SNES and Sega Saturn also had a place. I just happen to prefer the Xbox. Nothing wrong with that...just like there is nothing wrong with whatever your preference is.
So many people against indy games wtf lol. The paririty clause is BS anyway you look at it, period. MS will get rid of this clause it's bad for business
Microsoft doesn't want Indies on its console that nobody will buy. Microsoft filters out games that nobody cares for and if indies are your thing you should own a PC not a console. Parity clause is dumb though, i think, it doesn't need to be there.I don't think anyone truly cares if an indie title releases earlier on PS4 or for x box 1. Outlast and Warframe released later for x box 1. Microsoft did not enforce that policy there.
"Microsoft filters out games that nobody cares for" It's blatantly obvious that isn't true. If it were, rthis page wouldn't even exist: http://www.metacritic.com/b...
ooooo low blow the ref may take a point, I think you may have got him right in the diginads. /joke
If I were one of those developers on that metacritic list, I would be holding my head down in absolute shame.
Could not care about this game before this announcement. Now I care less.
Dear Microsoft, I love the Xbox brand, but your indie policy sucks.
I'm in no favor for a clause that says: You need to publish your also here on day 1 if you want to publish your game. But I have yet to see a game blocked due to this clause.
The person that made the stupid policy need to disappear.
just say the word and leave the usual fee you know where.