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Xbox One's Japanese Failure Means Nothing

CCC Says: "The Japanese launch of the Xbox One was a major failure. There were no lines. People didn't show excitement or enthusiasm for the system. People even went out of their way to revel in the sadness of the situation, perhaps gleefully sharing pictures of stores without lines of customers, anxious to pick up Microsoft's new system. Which, naturally, means the Xbox One is doomed!

Except it's not."

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qwerty6761172d ago

his points aren't really that valid.

hes using the 360 argument saying that didn't sell well in japan.

however this generation is completely different and the 2 main xbox places US and UK are currently being outsold by the ps4

that wasn't prevalent last gen.

GodGinrai1172d ago

"however this generation is completely different and the 2 main xbox places US and UK are currently being outsold by the ps4"

That does not change the fact that japan always has and always will be a lost cause for Xbox. If anything, the fact that they are losing ground in the UK and US, is exactly the reason why they should not be concerning themselves with selling consoles in that region. They should just focus on US, europe and emerging markets in asia, that are NOT japan. And they should focus on getting japanese games into the hands of xbox owners in these regions. Its a win for japanese devs and a gain for MS. For Xbox, japan is good for its games, not its gamers. They dont want Xbox. This is obvious, from their attitude towards it. But MS needs japanese games and they need to focus on other territories. So that is what they SHOULD be doing.

darthv721172d ago

IIRC there was some appeal to the original in JP but that quickly died when Ms released the 360 just 4 years later. So to the JP consumer, how can they be supportive of a product if it was going to be deemed obsolete in such a short amount of time.

So I dont know if it was a grudge they were holding but they werent into the 360 like the rest of the world was. And the 360 had some really great JP centric games (especially shmups).

in general, JP consumers like western products but they like the ones that are well supported. As it is now, it seems like their tastes in entertainment has shifted more to mobility/portable than traditional consoles. So all 3 platforms are struggling there not just the XB1.

The idea that all it takes is some JRPG's to get them to bite into consoles again is a very western view because it seems that JRPG's are more requested in western territories. there is no guarantee that they will turn things around for console gaming in JP but they would certainly quench the thirsts of gamers in other territories.

GodGinrai1172d ago

"JP but that quickly died when Ms released the 360 just 4 years later. So to the JP consumer, how can they be supportive of a product if it was going to be deemed obsolete in such a short amount of time."

To be fair, that was due to politics with Nvidia, who manufactured the GPU in the OG Xbox. that was messy stuff.

"The idea that all it takes is some JRPG's to get them to bite into consoles again is a very western view because it seems that JRPG's are more requested in western territories. there is no guarantee that they will turn things around for console gaming in JP but they would certainly quench the thirsts of gamers in other territories."

I agree that is a (probably naive) western assumption, that japanese just want JRPGS. But every time a new monster hunter/dragon quest game comes out and it shifts a silly amount of 3DS, it makes one, wonder...

gaffyh1172d ago

I wouldn't say it's a completely lost cause. They just need some exclusives, and we all know MS is not averse to buying some, and Square Enix is not averse to accepting.

gangsta_red1172d ago

Japan is a valuable market though and one of the top markets for video gaming. Doing well there could not only boost sales for MS but also mean more Japanese game developer support.

Right now not too many Japanese want to port their games from PS3/PS4 to the Xbox system because of the poor reception the Xbox brand has over there.

And if the Xbox had more support from the Japanese maybe some of those titles, especially the JRPG's could come west our way.

Why o why1172d ago

Well I'll be....... I agree with you gangsta red.

Baka-akaB1172d ago (Edited 1172d ago )

Th idea isnt that it takes some jrpg , but that , as a challenger you ought to launch your console with game catering to the local audience .
it can be many other things than plain jrpgs . Stuff that we might not like , like those idol games usually , but still an incentive .

Instead MS comes gleely twice empty handed with stuff appealing to us westerners , and people are happily chanting "it's normal they are ultra protective of their fellow japanese companies" and "they ignored japanese exclusive ips on xbox that came out later".

As i've seen posted earlier , just imagine Sony , unknown to the western market , launching consoles in USA and EU market with an idol game , pachinkos , and a anime game from a truly obscure franchise . And tell me it would be successful in the west .

Only way it could , would be because we know those companies , and what they can bring up , even if we have to hunger for games the first years .

Well MS doesnt have that advantage and recognition in Japan yet .

badz1491171d ago

Means nothing? Nothing at all? Yeah, maybe to us everyday gamers but try telling that to Phil Spencer or Nadella and see if they agree!

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Flamingweazel1172d ago (Edited 1172d ago )

Not to mention ps3 launched a year late (18 months in europe), and launch alligned outsold 360 DAY 1. Xbox does NOT have the world brand that playstation does, ps3 gained ground in europe, Japan and other territories, X1 is dead there, and PS4 is outselling x1 in the US even....x1 has zero shot at every catching or even staying close to ps4. Only reason 360 did as well as it did was PS3 disaster launch, and ps3 being expensive and late.

@you are salty...PS3 launched a year late, that is why i was behind and it made ground up based on it's strong sales globally, something MS does not have. Launch alligned ps3 always outsold 360, even being more expensive, how is x1 going to catch up? Sell x1's on MARS? Also those are just pachter guesses, September is going to be a bloodbath for MS in the US, ps4 will sell huge.

Sunset OD is not a system seller, and forza, is always over exaggerated on it's sales potential, that series struggles sell outside massive bundling. x1 does not have a strong lineup, 2014 is the yea of the multiplat for both.

donthate1172d ago (Edited 1172d ago )

It is still extremely early to tell. Remember when PS3 trailed the Xbox 360 for years, and I mean until the end of the generation.

I think we have to wait and see what MS brings to Japan fully before we judge it. Whatever happened at launch was likely expected.

According to Pacther the gap between PS4 and Xbox One is narrowing in August as well:

"PlayStation 4 sold 175,000, down 7 percent month-on-month, he said, while Xbox came in at 150,000, up 14 percent on the previous month. Pachter said that the Kinect-less $399 Xbox One and a Madden bundle had helped Microsoft."

http://www.polygon.com/2014...

MS has a very strong game lineup for this holiday with Halo: MCC, Sunset Overdrive and Forza Horizon 2, and very aggressive pricing strategy and feature schedule to boot.

Things are moving very fast in the Xbox camp.

MRMagoo1231172d ago

The ps3 trailed because it had to catch up on a year and a year and a half sales, even at a far higher price it was outselling the 360 month after month just not by enough to catch up fast, the xbone doesn't have this excuse so it's nothing like that at all, all it proves is playstation is the stronger brand no matter the disadvantages it starts with.

donthate1172d ago

@magoo:

Until this day, the PS3 hasn't caught up to the Xbox 360 sales in the US or UK. How it caught up was with Japan (3rd largest console market) and the gazillion smaller country they have a loyal fanbase in.

As I said, as time goes by the bad reputation is forgotten, people realize that the small difference is indiscernable, and that the rapid development brings lots of new featurs as well as the exclusive games will tell the whole story.

So I think we will have to wait and see!

MysticStrummer1172d ago

"Remember when PS3 trailed the Xbox 360 for years, and I mean until the end of the generation."

Magoo is right. The current sales situation isn't much like PS3/360. PS3 outsold 360 fairly consistently from day one. We're in September now, and around half of XB1's sales still happened in 2013.

The gap narrows when the losing product begins to sell more than the winning product, not when the losing product loses each month by a smaller amount.

donthate1171d ago (Edited 1171d ago )

Mystic:

"The gap narrows when the losing product begins to sell more than the winning product, not when the losing product loses each month by a smaller amount."

That really depends on what gap you are talking about i.e. the definition of gap. I was talking about the difference in monthly sales in the US is narrowing. In the grand scheme of things, the lead the PS4 has is small, and no more different than Xbox 360 vs PS3. In fact, the lead Xbox 360 had over PS3 was actually larger than we have now!

The main difference is Sony made up their PS3 sales in regions outside of UK and US, and mostly in Japan.

With MS, they are regaining US and UK and opening up in more markets.

I think with the heavy bundled promotions MS are doing to combat Destiny and so on, the stellar line up of exclusives with console sellers like Halo:MCC, MS is in very good position this holiday.

I think the main thing here is MS is starting to regain footing in their main region and that is US and UK, then moving into others. It is clear that Xbox One is making a comeback with Phil Spencer in the lead.

Sheikh Yerbouti1171d ago (Edited 1171d ago )

Four million is a large enough gap to me to say "Oh, snap!" I can't see how that isn't small. And as long as PS4 outsell each month, the gap gets bigger. The XBox is falling behind less each month, but it is still falling behind.

And it will likely continue to do so. If the wunderkinds at Respawn's Titanfall couldn't muster it, how does a remastered port, Sunset Overdrive and rehashed Forza manage to win XBox a week, let alone a month?

And many Western gamers love Japanese games...! Akihabara is cultural center for gaming not only in Japan but globally, otaku or notaku. Plus Japanese developer support is important for us in the States as well. Selling well in Japan is a big part of that. Anything MS can do to encourage that helps them out globally.

MS needs to get its butt in gear in all its territories.

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Tetsdah1172d ago

I think people keep dismissing the relevance of the situation too easily. This translates into poor support from japan's 3rd party for the x1, which further makes the system more one dimensional. Like the Quicktime said, back when 360 owned America and UK, they could kinda afford. Now is not the case.

miyamoto1172d ago

M$ created "ARTIFICIAL SALES LEAD" by rushing in faulty defective 360 units because they can afford to loose billions of $$$ which is chicken feed compared to what they lost on the original Xbox while PS3 has been outselling them since its launch.

M$ likes grey areas.

dcj05241171d ago

Don't matter. X1 is still selling well and better than 360/PS3 in a similar time frame so whatever. Both em make money.

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Abriael1172d ago

It means something.

It means that Xbox One isn't doing well in Japan.

Mind you, calling it "failure" is premature, so the article is wrong on both sides. Better go back to write about cheats, I guess.

Foraoise1172d ago

Nope. But the USA/Europe failure did. ;D

700p1172d ago

No. You failed at trolling though. ;D

Foraoise1172d ago

... Based on your disagree-to-agree ratio...

URNightmare1172d ago

"Xbox One's Japanese Failure Means Nothing."

There's so much wrong with that statement, I'm not even gonna read the article.

stuna11172d ago (Edited 1172d ago )

I'm sure in Microsofts eyes it means something! Regardless of how well the Xbox1 sells in Japan, Microsoft had to make the attempt! Simply because of the developer support from the region. It would have been bad on Microsoft's part not to try considering Japan is the 3rd biggest gaming market in the world, and who knows Microsoft may hit the right cords in securing the gem of a title that could spark some interest of the Xbox1.

Right now there's really nothing at the moment that screams Japan cetric or must have, but thing could change.

@MightyNox

I agree with you, but by Microsoft releasing the Xbox1 in Japan they at least have the opportunity to garner some support from Japanese developers which in turn could spark from some gamers would be more beneficial to Microsoft, than not releasing in the region at all.

MightyNoX1172d ago

How so? Even with Idolmaster exclusivity, the 360 only managed to sell over a million.

They have no desirable Japanese exclusives this gen. Even Square Enix is publishing Batman Arkham Knight as PS4 only this gen.

The Bone will repeat the OG Xbox's performance.

NegativeCreep4271172d ago

yeah who cares about Japan. the real sign of success is if a console dominates the United States, and the Xbox one is dominating in the United Sta...oh wait...nevermind.

Bigpappy1172d ago

I agree that it was pretty much a foregone conclusion. So it says nothing new. Had X1 had a great launch in Japan, then that would be a difference maker.

In the grand scheme of things relevant,I don't see how it changes anything, pros or cons for X1.

GodGinrai1172d ago

Im not sure why you have disagrees. Who honestly thought they were going to do well in japan? I am an xbox guy, and readily admitted that from day one. They are wasting money, chasing an audience that is almost as fickle as the casual market, these days.

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