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Submitted by LeftPawedFox 15d ago | opinion piece

The death of the “gamers” and the women who “killed” them

Zoe Quinn, Anita Sarkeesian prove points a certain gamer-type refuses to hear. (Anita Sarkeesian, Culture, Industry, Zoe Quinn)

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StifflerK  +   15d ago | Well said
I'm sure this article will go down well. Lol.

Nobody hates Sarkeesian because she's a woman, nobody hates her for expressing her opinion.
People dislike her for her constant misrepresentation of gamers and the industry. We are NOT misogynists or rapists.

Freedom of speech and criticism applies equally to those with a differing viewpoint than hers- she should accept that too.

Most gamers feel her behavior is deliberately attempting to provoke anger, and any single reckless backlash is used to further misrepresent ALL gamers. How is that fair?
Abuse in the industry is bad, but abuse towards gamers is acceptable??? Why the double standards?

Gamers DO like women in games - there are plenty of talented women in the industry who have their respect and admiration.
Gamers Do like diversity in games - gaming today is more so than it ever has been before. I shouldn't need to point this out to a games journalist - you should know this already.

When it comes to controversial people like Sarkeesian , Quinn, Kramer, Alexander, Hernandez - it's NOT their gender that upsets people , it's their actions.

Believe it or not the LAW, stands for something, it has a purpose, and people who break it are generally frowned upon, irrespective of gender.

Slander, fraud, gross misrepresentation, false censorship - there is proof linking them all to the above. (Actual proof, without the suspicious inconsistencies.)

There's no excuse for such behavior, especially from industry professionals.
So, what exactly is your justification of the IGF competition fixing??? What would you say to the other entrants who unfairly lost out despite paying the entrance fee?

There's also no excuse for Hernandez's anti 'white man' articles (- which are the most narrow minded and blatantly racist articles I've ever seen , and on a major media site no less,)- we're all supposed to be more inclusive and accepting, right? Right?

People should be treated as individuals, but that also means being held accountable for their own actions.

When are these people going to be held accountable for theirs?
Eonjay  +   15d ago
"Gamers DO like women in games - there are plenty of talented women in the industry who have their respect and admiration. "

^This

And the fact that there are plenty of strong female characters in games. The fact that she never mentions them shows that she is an attention whore. She doesn't even praise strong characters like Lara Croft, Ellie, even Claire Farron (bonus points if you know who that is). There really are too many good examples to ignore. Now, I would like to see even more, but not because I think people are hateful rapists. My mom has probably played more video games than this lady.
snarls200  +   15d ago
Claire is Lightning
ThunderPulse  +   15d ago
Too bad they ruined Lightning's series....
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Dee_91  +   14d ago
"When are these people going to be held accountable for theirs?"

If we keep getting fud articles like these my guess would be never.

The funny part about this is, when a gamer "harass" or "attack" a game developer.. its just THAT game developer, however, when said game developer retaliate, its against ALL gamers.
Sort of like how redneck racist have this fixed image of all blacks or jewish people.. The irony and hypocrisy from these sjw's that support this makes my stomach hurt from laughter.
REALZILLA  +   14d ago
Agreed, Ninja Theory's Heavenly Sword is my most favorite character in gaming. http://www.zerochan.net/439...
Blacktric  +   14d ago
The only ones who are misogynistic, racist and sexist overall are SJWs who are trying to shove this shit down our throats and trying to back us down by attacking us with laughable ad hominem filled "arguments".

Recently, in addition to Gamergate, a new hashtag on Twitter started; notyourshield. It's used by people who are blacks, asians, homosexuals, transsexuals, etc and who are also avid gamers and are against this corruption crap and gaming media and SJWs using their identities as an excuse to attack gamers for being sexist/homophobic.

Guess what happened? SJWs started rushing in and blaming homosexuals for being homophobes. Blacks or Asians for being white. When these people pointed out that they were, in fact, homosexuals or non whites themselves, they got blamed for being "internalized" sexists/racists/homophobes.

Keep up the good fight. Do not back down. We are crushing them by using the greatest weapons we have; strong arguments and civility. All they have is rabid attacks and calling people "fat basement dweller nerds". And soon, all of them will have to accept defeat and get the f**k out of the industry and take their godawful, one sided politics with them.

You can see that it's working by checking how much damage sites like Kotaku and Gamasutra have endured since mid August;

http://i.imgur.com/r67Ksy3....
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Ozmoses  +   15d ago
so I just watched the video a little..

we can end her real easy....

watch and listen at around the 6 minute mark when she talks about the pimp/prostitute in far cry 3...

she clearly says "prostitute of color" it was blatant racism in my book... she refered to characters as women up until that point she had only called them women..

watch the video again and check it out... I ain't making this up. she said "prostitute of color" and there was absolutely no reason why she should have said "color"... simply saying it was a scene with a pimp and prostitute would have been fine.

shame!!! her argument is no longer valid.. a person can't claim prejudice when they are prejudice

if someone switches the argument into that exact quote she said, she is done.
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Godmars290  +   15d ago
"a person can't claim prejudice when they are prejudice"

Yeah. Yes they can. Such happens all the time. And we're all the worse for it, hence this exact situation of people in the gaming community claiming that gamers are bad for the community. People - though bigots really - who seek to create a sub-division within a general term.
Ozmoses  +   15d ago
regardless of all you said...

she spoke with blatant racism in that section I described...

it was uncalled for...

a woman is a woman... for the sake of her argument skin color is irrelevant...

so therefore it does actually mean something... considering racism affects more people than sexism.
SilentNegotiator  +   14d ago
"Colored" / "People of color" is back en vogue among SJW these days.
They LOOOOOVE that phrase because it says "white vs everyone else" without actually saying it.

http://rainbowpush.org/page...
"The goals of Operation PUSH were economic empowerment and expanding educational, business and employment opportunities for the disadvantaged and PEOPLE OF COLOR"

"a person can't claim prejudice when they are prejudice"
Tell that to "Reverend" Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.
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Dee_91  +   14d ago
I'm not sure if noting a race or skin color = racism.But usually when these sjw's or feminist try to sly in race they do so, to try to provoke feeling and get more people to believe their cause.
I think its really s#itty of her to try to exploit the race card to further their agenda.They have been doing that for the longest on social media.

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also what silent said
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Godmars290  +   13d ago
@SilentNegotiator:

Going to have to disagree with you on Jackson and Sharpton. Not that I literally did.

They aren't racist, they're opportunist who use racism. They are what Sarkeesian strives to be as a feminist.
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TheOtherVitaOwner  +   15d ago
What really irks me about this article is its wording. The author makes it sound like every gamer in existence is in on this flame war when in reality I bet less than 1% of the total gaming community has even bothered to comment. This won't be the "death" of "gamers", most don't even know this whole thing is even happening.
WeedyOne  +   14d ago
Yup, i have seen some of the articles and i still have no f-ing clue what is going on or why i should care, it seems stupid... Just seems like people with an agenda stirring the pot.
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HighResHero  +   15d ago
This article looks like another result of "damage control". Just look at when they started rolling out.
A random quote from 2 weeks ago:
"Prepare for maximum damage control."
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Eonjay  +   15d ago
Thank you. You actually get it. This is the most massive attempt at damage control I have ever seen. The feminist angle has nothing to do with the fact that she and others were caught in a big gaming journalist sex/corruption scandal. This is unbelievable. Look what Kotaku and Polygon have wrought.
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dj3boud  +   15d ago
Your Comment is "Reddit Gold" worthy!
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joab777  +   15d ago
Very well said. But double standards are all too common today. I stand for something so you had better agree with me while I also generalize and label a different group of ppl as Immoral or evil.

It's crazy really. We have journalists actually being beheaded by groups that give NO rights to particular genders, races, or religious groups, and we grandstand over the fact that our freedom of speech isn't also freedom from critique. Is everyone civil? No. But you knew that when you made a video about the same so-called ppl.

Just remember, if u don't wanna be stereotyped or attacked, then don't reciprocate and expect to be protected.
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KakashiHotake  +   15d ago
I feel like a lot of these journalist are intentionally trying to stir anger for publicity. After all negative publicity is still publicity. But I feel like that should be illegal especially when it's so obvious. Some of my favorite characters in games were females and it had nothing to do with gender. Yes in a lot of games females are depicted in a negative light but unfortunately that's the world we live in. Prostitution is real, strippers are real, young women like to expose their bodies, etc. The history of women in past cultures is even worse. Not saying that applies to all women because often times women do better than men especially in this day and age, but that's reality.
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rambi80  +   15d ago
The timing of Anita's new video is no coincidence. She and her minions are trying to derail the conversation. Stay on topic people. The topics are corruption and abuse of power
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Tex117  +   15d ago
What is unfortunate about the internet is that there are some posters who immediately go into very personal attacks and insults not even listening to the message.

Instead of voicing a critique of the position, truly deplorable slurs are tossed out, everyone picks a side and circles the wagons limiting any intellectual debate.

Here is the typical cycle:
(1) Article is posted taking a social commentary position on video games.
(2) Immature posters immediately start throwing derogatory insults at the author. If the writer of the original article is a minority in the industry, these insults are particularly pointed.
(3) Those who wish to stop the insults (as there really isn't a place for them in intellectual debate) immediately come to the defense of the author. This is more intensified when its a minority in the industry.
(4) Others immediately either hurl insults yet others come to try and salvage some intellectual debate, but with such slurs floating around, this is lost.
(5) Goes on for a few weeks
(6) Next article comes out

And we are right back at the beginning of the cycle. It is going to take a real effort and restraint on the part of the posters to not make these personal attacks.

It is also going to take a real effort on behalf of the gaming journalists and other posters to encourage the intellectual side of these debates.
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It's on the other side too, if you haven't noticed.

1)Article is posted
2)There are actually people who critique it and say why it is wrong
3)Extremists call them misogynists and rapists for not agreeing with it
4)Everyone gets pissed off, but the extremists on one side look like they're victims
viperman240  +   15d ago
I'd like to add to what Stifflerk said, I don't like doing this but I want more eyes to see this, but I'm going to copy and paste what I said in a different article.

"When Jack Thompson popped up in the scene claiming games make people violent and that we are all going to go out on a shooting spree. Yet he was laughed at, and everyone ignored him. Hell the gaming media defended us, destroying his claim. Only thing that sucked for him was being exactly that, him; a male. If he was a female, or a male who identified as a female, sadly, he would have been taken seriously.

OT: The internet has always had people acting immature and stupid. People calling you a faggot, telling you to kill yourself or even straight up saying they would rape/kill you. But what everyone used to do, is argue back or just troll them back, thats it. What ever happened to "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me".

Now we have these feminist/SJW who wear these baseless threats (that should be ignored) as a badge of honor and lump every male/gamer to further their own agenda just cause some immature twat gave them a baseless threat. Instead of the gaming media being sensible and calling out their thin skinned BS, they defend them and blame us as they are doing right now.

This is getting out of hand, I can't believe it has come this far. I thought ignoring these SJW/feminist would solve the problem, but they have grown in numbers and have gotten into position to influence so many others, in a bad way.

I can keep going on, on how they are destroying the industry/hobby I used to love. Instead I'll just end with this.

http://i.imgur.com/IiFf3ho....
callahan09  +   15d ago
Just 5 off the top of my head:

Samus (Metroid)
Jodie (Beyond: Two Souls)
Ellie (The Last of Us)
Elena (Uncharted)
Aurora (Child of Light)

These characters exist, and represent females positively.

There are also plenty of idiot, meathead, moron males who run around with their shirts off and their muscles bulging in videogames.

I think the honest vast majority of videogames don't even really feature human characters, or even characters at all (puzzle games, etc.) There are a lot of fictional creatures, some humanoid, many not. Most games featuring human/humanoid characters let you select or build your own character, including female genders, and are not positive or negative or attempt to influence you one way or another with regard to what gender you play as. Mass Effect, Dark Souls, Fallout, Elder Scrolls, and countless other games let you pick what gender you want to be and don't sexualize or otherwise demean the females in any way shape or form.

The games that do demean women are a stark minority in the industry. You have to seek them out. And even then, they almost never reach anywhere near the low levels that cinema goes. I just saw the second Harold & Kumar movie on TV the other day, and there is an entire scene that's just all about showing women with no pants on. That's the whole scene, the entire point of the scene. The women in that movie are vapid, useless human beings who serve no purpose other than to be sex objects.

And there are thousands of movies that come out with similar treatment and usage of women. There is an entire genre of movies called "late night comedy" that is pretty much just about loser dudes who try to sex up women and attempt to get slapstick laughs out of us.
UnHoly_One  +   15d ago
Could this lady possibly miss the mark on more of her examples??

This one absolutely kills me.

"The video includes examples from games like Watch Dogs, where the main character watches multiple instances of violent domestic abuse and, rather than take even a second look at the woman who suffers it, is required to amble off and track down the man who did it."

Ok, let's stop and take a look at this for a second. The character you are playing in the game is a Vigilante. His whole "purpose" is to catch the "bad guy".

He's not chasing after the criminal because the criminal is a man, and he's not ignoring the victim because the victim is a woman. He's just doing his "job".

If it was a game about a counselor, then maybe he would call the police on the bad guy then stay to talk to the woman, but that isn't what the game is.

This lady just cherry picks examples and twists them in a way to make them sound bad, and all she ends up doing is making herself sound like an idiot. It's embarrassing.
SilentNegotiator  +   14d ago
Absolutely hilariously ridiculous.

1) Even if he were a cop...are police supposed to stop and pat a victim on the shoulder when the perpetrator is 25 feet away and running?

2) Feminists, you can't have it both ways. Are women major victims that are always getting harassed and 11 out of every 10 women will be raped in their lifetime? Or is the depiction of women as victims horribly offensive and inaccurate? Either that's the norm and the depiction is accurate (thus unoffensive), or it isn't.
SilentNegotiator  +   14d ago
Gamers are showing that we aren't falling for this campaign against the term "gamer" which certain parties are trying to demean in order to have power of them.
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cgoodno  +   14d ago
***Nobody hates Sarkeesian because she's a woman, nobody hates her for expressing her opinion.
People dislike her for her constant misrepresentation of gamers and the industry. We are NOT misogynists or rapists. ***

The thing is, she's never called gamers this. She says that the game developers design games in a misogynistic manner. She has never called gamers anything you just said.

The problem with certain gamers here is that they put words into her mouth that don't exist.

Anita says that women are used sexually as background filler, people assume she means that the people who play them are misogynists? That's not what she's saying.

Anita says that women are used as helpless people who the player is enticed to save or who is allowed to watch them be killed brutally, people assume she means that the people who play them are rapists? That's not what she's saying.

The funny thing here is that 'gamers' are taking the side of the war on games we've had before. The concept that playing violent video games makes you a violent person. Something we've said isn't true for ages. Now, they are flipping it and taking an examination of how sex is utilized in games and taking it to mean that she must mean the individual gamer is a rapist or hates women in some manner. Both arguments are stupid and unfounded.

Having said that, the argument that because someone says something we don't like never is a good reason to attack them in the manner that she has.
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Blacktric  +   14d ago
"people assume she means that the people who play them are misogynists?"

She says playing these games will turn gamers into sexists eventually because of the effect it has on the players. And not only in her video. In one of her recent tweets, she said "game developers should be aware of what games teach to players when it comes to dealing with conflicts", basically confirming that we shouldn't play "violent games". But it's good to know that agenda pushing through disinformation is also present here. Makes it obvious why that initial Zoe Quinn story that was focusing on corruption part got deleted from the website after blowing up to 1000 degrees.

Here's the tweet in case you try to pull this into some other direction;

https://twitter.com/femfreq...

And if she was being honest about anything she spouts, she wouldn't have showed the footage of some mad kid killing strippers in the club for no good reason (and getting penalized) and dragging them around in Hitman: Absolution as; as you can see, game encourages players to do this!

Anyway, I'm not gonna waste my breath to someone who defends a professional victim, who posts tweets of 13 year old kids as "look I'm being attacked!" and announces that she's left her house on her twitter after getting death threats, which is something the police and FBI completely warns you against. Oh and, let's not forget that one of the next tweets she posted after that was "DON'T FORGET TO SUPPORT MY NON PROFIT! LINKS ARE ON MY SITE :)".
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cgoodno  +   14d ago
***And not only in her video. In one of her recent tweets, she said "game developers should be aware of what games teach to players when it comes to dealing with conflicts"***

And where in that does she call anyone a misogynist? She said "teaching" not "making." Much like how a person learns from those they are around, you don't think that kids will learn to emulate in some fashion what they hear in movies, tv shows, and video games? Heck, I've seen how my nephews have acted after watching certain movies, I can only imagine what they would think after playing Trevor in GTAV a bit.

***But it's good to know that agenda pushing through disinformation is also present here.***

What disinformation? I have yet to see you provide something that says she calls gamers, myself included, a misogynist or a rapist.

***Makes it obvious why that initial Zoe Quinn story that was focusing on corruption part got deleted from the website after blowing up to 1000 degrees. ***

You mean the one that lambasted a person over their personal life and nothing else? Yeah, sorry, we're not here to spread things like who had sex with who. Notice how we haven't done squat to stop the many opinion pieces related to it though? I mean, we're so covering that up, aren't we?

***And if she was being honest about anything she spouts***

There's honesty and then there's ignorance. I think Anita is misinformed on some things, but she is not incorrect on a lot of it. You just assume there's a purposeful dishonesty in her opinion that is somehow aimed at you when she really puts all the blame on game developers and not the people who play them.

***Anyway, I'm not gonna waste my breath to someone who defends a professional victim***

Yes. A professional victim who never had threats assailed at her on YouTube? She must have made all of those accounts and posted to herself with the first video she made.

I think her points are ignorant, but I also think the reaction to said events have been horrid and the people on the Internet, like so many things, have made it just as much a cry to defend everything she does as it has to decry everything she does.

Me? I just think people need to stop with the hatred against her. And, to say she's a professional victim and that none of it is warranted? You're in La La Land with that.
Blacktric  +   14d ago
"And where in that does she call anyone a misogynist?"

She doesn't directly call anyone. She just implies that people who're supporting games that has that trope have/will turn into one, sooner or later.

"you don't think that kids will learn to emulate in some fashion what they hear in movies, tv shows, and video games?"

None of the games that have low age ratings have people yelling "bitch" or "whore" in them. And if you're talking about laughably petty tropes like "damsel in distress"; no kid will learn to be a misogynist that sees women only as a goal to be achieved or saved because they've played Mario. And same applies to becoming a murderer, since kids to this day are still playing violent games thanks to ignorant parents. And blaming developers for having stereotypes and sex specific insults in their games, which are aimed at mature audiences, is also nothing short of pathetic on her part. It's art. It should be free to depict all sorts of people.

"Kotaku Staff Reported to Exchange Positive Game Coverage for Sex" was the title of the article that got failed after tons of people have read it. And it didn't lambast anyone as you can see for yourself below.

http://gamesnosh.com/zoe-qu...

"She must have made all of those accounts and posted to herself with the first video she made."

Irrelevant. Everybody receives death threats or harrasment online, regardless of gender or race but by just sharing an opinion or being part of something. And eventhough this doesn't make it right, it makes it obvious that nearly every single one of them are empty threats sent by angry little kids. The way Anita approaches to so called death threats is of relevance here, as she uses them to propel her campaign or videos or spread her donation account. Posting the picture of a tweet made by someone born in 1999 doesn't constitute for posting evidence to prove credible threat. And like I said before, both police and FBI are against doing such things and the first thing they tell you is not to respond or agitate them in any way (assuming there's credibility). Yet she posts about how threats drove her out of her home and right after that, talks about how "harrasment against women in tech must stop!". It's clearly agenda pushing to get her more supporters.

And sorry for calling you an agenda pusher. That was unwarranted. But constantly being called a sexist and racist online for being a gamer (happened on Twitter, unrelated to your post) can make you blind for a short time.
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cgoodno  +   14d ago
***She doesn't directly call anyone. She just implies that people who're supporting games that has that trope have/will turn into one, sooner or later.***

No she doesn't. She does no such thing. She says exactly what she says. You're reading way too much into it that isn't there.

***None of the games that have low age ratings have people yelling "bitch" or "whore" in them.***

And yet most of XBL and PSN online gaming has kids and adults recanting those exact same thing. Where do they learn such things from? Movies, tv shows, and video games are a big part of the culture as well as their peers.

***Irrelevant. Everybody receives death threats or harrasment online, regardless of gender or race but by just sharing an opinion or being part of something.***

Wrong. I've never received such things. Been online since the 90s. Nor do most people have threats of being raped or the like.

This mentality that you have that 'everybody has it' is wrong. Most people don't. And, most people don't have it done in such a public manner for said reason. Furthermore, most people don't have it done by a massive number of people at once for their opinion on something so trivial as tropes in video games.

***And it didn't lambast anyone as you can see for yourself below. ***

From the article: The original source of the allegations are from Zoe’s Ex-Boyfriend who claims she was cheating on him with multiple press members in order to get her game Depression Quest coverage and ultimately greenlit via steams Indie game submission platform.

It's not lambasting, and not the original that was failed on here (and this probably failed because it was a duplicate of the original), but it's still slanderous. There's no need for anyone to destroy someone's life because some ex said it was so. To get that through, you really need some proof to back it up when it comes to calling someone out like that personally.
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Blacktric  +   14d ago
"She says exactly what she says."

You don't have to read too much into it to understand what she implies. It's not that hard to extrapolate.

"I've never received such things."

Play a competitive game with a big fanbase devotedly or basically share an unpopular opinion on Twitter with a popular hashtag and you will. In a world where even 10 year old kids are getting doxxed and threatened (by social justice warriors nonetheless), it's inevitable. Me and my friends have received plenty of death threats from little kids to older men, both verbally and by ingame messages, and most of us have also been online since late 90s. Being on the internet most of the time brings anonimity, which gives people an excuse to lash out threats in moments of anger. It doesn't mean they're credible as there aren't any game journalists out there who were killed after getting death threats. And plenty of them DID get death threats. It may be ugly, but it's what the "free speech" backed up by anonimity brings on the internet.

"Where do they learn such things from?"

From adult videogames their irresponsible parents have been buying to them. Just because a younger demographic seeps into the game's recommended, doesn't warrant them to be censored or toned down. The box says 17+, only teens who are over 17 should play it. You cannot blame the developers for what's basically the fault of irresponsible parents. Or violent television media that "accidentally" shows uncensored footage of people committing suicide, getting murdered or yelling profanities.

I can agree with the article being slanderous.
VealParmHero  +   14d ago
have a bubble fella
Back-to-Back  +   14d ago
If we could have less Sarkesians and more Amy Hennigs, the gaming industry would be alot better off. People like Sarkesian add nothing positive to the industry.
Monkeycan8  +   15d ago
I approved this because of how ridiculous it is.
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WilliamUsher  +   15d ago
Also, it proves them wrong:
opposite of them we're willing to hear them out.

Instead of censoring their opinions we'll let it ride.

It's too bad they can't say the same, what with all the closed-threads, removed posts, blocked, banned and barred users.

I wonder how well that's going to work out for them when the sponsors start pulling out?

Speaking of sponsors...

the gamers against corruption Facebook page has info on how to get in contact with the sponsors who pay these sites. It's worth checking out if you want to get proactive.

https://m.facebook.com/prof...
mixelon  +   15d ago
?? If we started attacking each other here with the veracity that people
have been attacking the writers of some articles I can assure you the posts would be moderated, and users banned or suspended.

You/we can't really take the moral high ground as its not even remotely proportional or similar.
johndoe11211  +   15d ago
@mixelon

I have come to the realization that the fact that you are a journalist has prevented you from being even remotely unbiased about this situation. You, just like all the other so called "journalists" out there are not focusing on the real issue or what started this whole gamer "witch hunt" in the first place.

You fail to acknowledge all the evidence that has come to light that is casting very very serious doubt on the validity of the claims of quinn and sarkeesian on their so called "death treats" and "harassment" and you, like most of the other journalists, ignore the fact that gamers are fighting against a corrupt gaming media.

To me it seems like "certain journalists" have been using certain sites to help misguide and derail the issue at hand and push their aganda. As far as I'm concerned, which i'm sure does not matter to you but I really don't care, you have ZERO credibility as it is obvious that you are NOT dealing with the main issue of corruption in gaming journalism.

You keep talking about harassment as if anyone here EVER said that it was ok to harass people. NO ONE here said we agree with harassment so why do you keep bringing it up here? Who are you talking to? Why are you not talking about the corrupt gaming media? Hypocrisy at its finest.
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LeftPawedFox  +   15d ago
I just want to point out that I dissagree with this. I just wanted to share it.
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longcat  +   15d ago
I cant believe someone hit that. I would rather masturbate. No Joke.
00  +   15d ago
Apparently two full grey hound buses full of people would hit that.
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TongkatAli  +   15d ago
You know this is the real reason why the brown paper bag was made.

@longcat rofl! Jesus is the truth.
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Monkeycan8  +   15d ago
Id hit it.... Witha bat...

(joking I dont condone violence)
longcat  +   15d ago
yeah, what did that poor bat ever do to you?
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longcat  +   15d ago
I got a disagree...somebody here needs Jesus
mixelon  +   15d ago
Good to see you doing your bit to not perpetuate the negative gamer stereotypes. :P
longcat  +   15d ago
"Self Improvement is Masturbation" - (Fight Club)

i just wanna have some fun man. I'm tired of trying to be part of the solution. Being part of the problem is much more satisfying
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madjedi  +   15d ago
And good to see your still perfectly willing to let an entire group of individuals be demonized as scum of the earth by these people because a few immature asshats.

Who gives a rat's ass about the moral high ground. Morale high ground is typically a copout to absolve the person claiming it of any repercussions or accountability for treating someone else like shit.

No one is without some bigotry or prejudice, but the way many of these people act they are absolute saint who would never be capable of any such act.

We still have racism, discrimination,homophobia and every other pleasant act mankind is capable of committing against each other.

Despite their best efforts these beyond reproach journalist's bloggers and proud social justice warriors are still failing miserably.

So either gamers aren't the demonic hoards we are made out to be or the same people that belittle gamers are just as capable of evil or malicious intent as we are.

No one is putting a gun to your head and making you play games, if the shame of being a gamer is too much for some people, find a new hobby.
LightDiego  +   15d ago
One bubble for intelligent or well said.
Decisions, decisions.
ShaunCameron  +   15d ago
Some guys are just desperate for female attention like that. Especially nice guys and white knights.
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mixelon  +   15d ago
Hahaha!

Some people just want to watch the world burn.

This is going to be hilarious.
madjedi  +   15d ago
The hilarious thing is you think you aren't one of them.

Most of us would settle for not being treated like shit because our hobby is the current work of the devil rhetoric.
00  +   15d ago
why cant these horrible people be judged on being horrible people then being judged for being women.
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Monkeycan8  +   15d ago
Because women are always right.. duh.. /s
rainslacker  +   15d ago
Most people in the general community do judge them based on how horrible they are. Only the articles that want to defend them make it into a misogyny debate.
BISHOP-BRASIL  +   14d ago
Yup, it's the out of jail free card.

This little group (the gaming journalists/bloggers, independent devs and femmnists stirring the pot - not all journalists or femminst or whatever, mind you) will call you out. If you ignore it, you must be silent because the shoe fits. If you try and argument against it, you are a misoginy cunt attacking poor women and must be a rapist secretely. They just can't loose.

The last thing this people ever wanted is an educated, civil argument.
ShaunCameron  +   15d ago
Because people doesn't expect much from women when it comes to decency and moral character?
CaptainObvious878  +   15d ago
because vagina! /s
EdoubleD  +   15d ago
Can these get any worse?
Man, I'm sure everyone has gotten fatigued with all this.
These articles aren't saying anything new, it's the same thing.

These women hardly killed anything, only thing they killed was a lot of games journalists credibility.
I'm sure many have blacklisted sites and writers/bloggers because of this or at the very least became more aware.

If anything I'm just more vigilant.
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Big_Game_Hunters  +   15d ago
Exactly, no one cares about these girls, meanwhile this website tries to paint them as some kind of heros even though theyve had 0 impact on anything.
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B1uBurneR  +   15d ago
As a gentleman gamer... I'll vuck her for a story. I'll vuck her for a review. I'll vuck her as a favor... what I won't do is publish anything false or place nude photo on a cloud based system with a weak password if I were a celebrity. This has nothing to do with Blossom's nose.
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CerealKiller  +   15d ago
I remember there was a time in my life where I went to gaming news sites to see articles about video games and not about feminists who hate them.
longcat  +   15d ago
Web Traffic > Gaming.

I'm going to have to take a very serious self-audit as to which sites i want to support now.
Inception  +   15d ago
That days already long gone mate. Now SJW and feminazis dominate gaming journalist and trying to shove their stupid idealist to our throat :/
mixelon  +   15d ago
I'm pretty sure they don't actually, you know.. Hate games. Some of them have critique and ideas. That's healthy. We should welcome that and take it on board in a sensible manner. I haven't seen any of them call for censorship or anything of that sort.

It'd be a terribly silly and complex medium to get involved in just to hate it.
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mogwaii  +   15d ago
The comments in here alone prove her point.
EdoubleD  +   15d ago
What comment? Sir, nobody hates women. I support women completely in their pursuit for a career in the games industry. There are plenty of amazingly talented female developers here. Women are AMAZING!

HOWEVER when you have people like Zoe Quinn doing what she did, why can't we call her and her accomplices out on this BS without being called a misogynist?
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BattleTorn  +   14d ago
I'm not so sure what her BF did in response was in good taste.

But regardless - I revel in the irony that Quinn - the cheater, something men much more presumed to susceptible in committing - ended up with a very scornful, emotional tirade in response - something women would be much more presumed to do.

lol
DanielGearSolid  +   15d ago
Really? Show me where?

All I see is ppl with varying opinions
Eonjay  +   15d ago
I don't think you have been watching this from the beginning. She is evil. She is USING woman and feminist as a shield to make her impervious to the fact that she is a corrupt journalist. This is grade A fraud. Unmitigated, pure fraud. I love woman; I want more woman in videogames in strong roles. She wants us to only forget the fact that she and Zoe Quinn are corrupt frauds who use intimidation and accept bribes for coverage and reviews.
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WillGJ  +   15d ago
Not really no.

There are some amazing women in gaming. My personal favourite is Rhianna Pratchet, if you don't know who she is, and a lot of the people who're defending the jobs of Quinn & Sarkeesian (no one is saying the threats are fine, they're saying they're shit at their job) won't know who Pratchet is, she's teh lead role behind the last lara croft game.

You know, that game that very clearly shows a woman being strong and is a fucking staple in the Gaming world? Lara Croft has been around for ages and you've got a talented female writer at the helm of the last game. Did anyone cry out in praise for such a good job? No they said the game was clearly sexist because Lara got beaten up - well look shit happens in a game to cause you to worry for the life of your Avatar, you get hurt, you get shot, you get scared - that's what bloody well causes problems that you then over come as a player. Men love this game, it isn't a banner for women to gather around and say everyone else isn't being fair. It's a game about a women, written by a woman, that was accused of sexism by women and enjoyed by other women and also men.

No one sings for the merits of the women who take loads of shit and still do their jobs. No it's only in rarefied cases like Quinn & Sarkeesian that the flood gates open and everyone who doesn't agree is labeled a misogynist, well quite frankly that's profiling based of a single bit of information - cherry picking if you will, much like what Sarkeesian did with Hitman.

Oh and if you think that just because the women in gaming such as Prachet & Sarkeesian are on teh same side just because they share genitals (one of the most ludicruos things to think, just like all men hate someone who owns one) then guess what? Prachet has come out and said to Sarkeesian that although it's admirable she's 'trying' to change games to be better, she's fucking awful at it - not a direct quote no, but Prachet herself has condemned people like Anita who don't actually create games for their blatant misrepresentation of what the game is actually about.

If modern day feminism actually backed up their arguments with facts, with anything useful instead of just condemning 'the white man', who? who is this white man? Is it the one from france whose the head of Ubisoft? is it the one from England whose in charge of EA is it any of the developers from Sweden like DICE & Overkill? Gaming spans the world, it spans race and if you think it can't span a simple bit of information - i.e. gender being a 1 or 0 - then you clearly just don't get it. And look the people at the other end are just as wrong. I saw an MRA video that made me thing - this is the cunt giving males a bad name and stoking the flames. Both sides are toxic, so my advise to others is - fine a better and more level headed role model and see the world for what it is, not the anonymous trolls who say anything to hurt another.
DanielGearSolid  +   15d ago
Yea, so, I'm getting adblock... And adding this website to it...

They're really trying to pretend they're making a difference...

Meanwhile nobody gives a F
mixelon  +   15d ago
A statement that applies to all the comments on the subject on n4g too..

Ars Technica are pretty big tbh. Its not surprising they'd pick up on a story like this.
viperman240  +   15d ago
Better yet, don't bother going to the site at all or any site that is pushing these agendas.

Even though they may not be getting ad revenue they are still getting clicks, which pushes them higher in ratings.
DanielGearSolid  +   15d ago
True
blackblades  +   15d ago
TBH I never heard of her, I usually just follow new game announcements as well as gaming news thats interesting.
Big_Game_Hunters  +   15d ago
" Sarkeesian's videos, which are extremely well-researched and insightful, " this is what feminists actually believe, and they wonder why noone takes them seriously. Why doesn't Sarkeesian ever debate anyone? because she knows her BS has no weight in an actual debate.
Arturo84  +   15d ago
shh.. you will break the illusion..
rainslacker  +   14d ago
That more than anything else is why I can't respect Sarkeesian. I'm all for her putting her opinion out there, and trying to bring change where she may feel it's needed, but she does nothing to try and foster positive discourse. The excuse of "I don't like being attacked" isn't helping the cause she's supposedly doing. She may affect real positive change if she'd follow up on her stories by having real discourse with the community that she is supposedly addressing. Instead she hides behind blocked comments sections, only talks to websites that care to share and expand on her opinion, and stays within her own little group of cronies who already agree with her. That does nothing to convince anyone that she is correct. Many gamers don't disagree with her supposed cause, they just disagree with her assertions and methods.
EverydayGuy  +   15d ago
There are much bigger issues than these going on in the world. These articles are sensationalized to portray a certain perspective. They need to accept there are people who disagree with them instead of feeling attack.
Jeff257  +   15d ago
Yet another article attacking gamers and defending people who lie just to get more power for themselves. I really am getting tired of the narrative being pushed by these so called "journalists" who have as much integrity as a bowl of Fruit Loops. The list of sites I will be getting my gaming news from is getting smaller and smaller by the day. I guess it is a good thin though as I will be spending a lot of time with Destiny starting next week. Maybe that can keep me distracted from all of the backwards mentality that is infecting the gaming media today.
WillGJ  +   15d ago
A copy and paste job from a comment in here but I want people to be able to see it instead of dig for it:

There are some amazing women in gaming. My personal favourite is Rhianna Pratchet, if you don't know who she is, and a lot of the people who're defending the jobs of Quinn & Sarkeesian (no one is saying the threats are fine, they're saying they're shit at their job) won't know who Pratchet is, she's teh lead role behind the last lara croft game.

You know, that game that very clearly shows a woman being strong and is a fucking staple in the Gaming world? Lara Croft has been around for ages and you've got a talented female writer at the helm of the last game. Did anyone cry out in praise for such a good job? No they said the game was clearly sexist because Lara got beaten up - well look shit happens in a game to cause you to worry for the life of your Avatar, you get hurt, you get shot, you get scared - that's what bloody well causes problems that you then over come as a player. Men love this game, it isn't a banner for women to gather around and say everyone else isn't being fair. It's a game about a women, written by a woman, that was accused of sexism by women and enjoyed by other women and also men.

No one sings for the merits of the women who take loads of shit and still do their jobs. No it's only in rarefied cases like Quinn & Sarkeesian that the flood gates open and everyone who doesn't agree is labeled a misogynist, well quite frankly that's profiling based of a single bit of information - cherry picking if you will, much like what Sarkeesian did with Hitman.

Oh and if you think that just because the women in gaming such as Prachet & Sarkeesian are on teh same side just because they share genitals (one of the most ludicruos things to think, just like all men hate someone who owns one) then guess what? Prachet has come out and said to Sarkeesian that although it's admirable she's 'trying' to change games to be better, she's fucking awful at it - not a direct quote no, but Prachet herself has condemned people like Anita who don't actually create games for their blatant misrepresentation of what the game is actually about.

If modern day feminism actually backed up their arguments with facts, with anything useful instead of just condemning 'the white man', who? who is this white man? Is it the one from france whose the head of Ubisoft? is it the one from England whose in charge of EA is it any of the developers from Sweden like DICE & Overkill? Gaming spans the world, it spans race and if you think it can't span a simple bit of information - i.e. gender being a 1 or 0 - then you clearly just don't get it. And look the people at the other end are just as wrong. I saw an MRA video that made me thing - this is the cunt giving males a bad name and stoking the flames. Both sides are toxic, so my advise to others is - fine a better and more level headed role model and see the world for what it is, not the anonymous trolls who say anything to hurt another.
Jeff257  +   15d ago
I for one loved the reboot of TR. I thought it made Lara look even stronger than she had before because we were able to be with her from the very start and see her grow as she faced of against those odds. I am all for good female lead characters in games but it is up to the story to make them strong or not. So yes the story for the TR reboot was a great one IMO and I am looking forward to the sequel.
WillGJ  +   15d ago
The whole Sarkeesian & Quinn thing is toxic, I much prefer to point out and sing the praises of women in gaming who are awesome like Pratchett.

I@m sure she does get some shit for being a woman but no where near what alot of neo feminists would have people believe (if someone reading this is offended by the word neo because you've only heard it being follwed up by nazi, it means new i.e. Neology) - sorry have to cover bases in times like this.

But yea, people defend or attack these two idiots who every level headed person knows that they know dick all, so why not look to people who are capable and awesome, not cherry picking bints.

For those who want to see more of Pratchett:
http://criticalpathproject....

And if you complain there aren't enough women on that webpage - there aren't enough in the industry anyway so it's not that sites fault. Aspire to make games and work your ass-off, that's how you can help fix the problem.
Jeff257  +   15d ago
Another woman in gaming I have a lot of respect for is Amy Hennig. I loved the work she did at Naughty Dog and was sad to see her go. But I am ecstatic that she is working on a Star Wars game. Jade Raymond and the work she has done for Assassin's Creed is great as well. Anyway there are plenty of women who do a lot for gaming so it is unfortunate that a few bad apples are really doing such a huge disservice to them.
Arturo84  +   15d ago
Can we be done with this issue already its already been 15 mins for Quinn FIsh and whoever else can we get back to game making and reporting on those game and stop with useless opinion pieces in general and only work with facts to atleast resemble credibility on this site?
Blues Cowboy  +   15d ago
Sounds good.
Cobra951  +   15d ago
Wow. Ars Technica. Allow me to shed a tear over the fall of a formerly great publication . . .
AgitatedOcelot  +   15d ago
I stopped patronizing Ars Technica when they were blatantly sucking at the Microsoft teat over the Xbox one.

The launch of the PS4 and Xbox one really annihilated a lot of biased publications off my list.
Sentient545  +   15d ago
I can't believe how easily people are manipulated by this garbage.
ShaunCameron  +   15d ago
I can. People have always been stupid. This is nothing new.
AgitatedOcelot  +   15d ago
I've been following the videos by InternetAristocrat on his youtube channel on this crap. And it's kind of been the last straw for me. I already was leaning toward not bothering with gaming media sites before and now I'll be taking all precautions to avoid clicking on anything coming from places like Kotaku and their like.

Why am I even still looking at this site? who knows, because I don't trust any of this shit any more and I don't want to give a cent to any agenda pushing assholes that make money literally off of my presence and it's benefit to their advertisers. Maybe just in wanting to vent.

You know though, after the last few days watching InternetAristocrats videos and looking at all this nonsense, I came away with the impression that gaming media is like a cliquey world of warcraft guild. It's seriously like all these little fruitcake white knight social justice assholes that chase around after women with their tongues up their ass and bend over backward to impress them grew up and took over all of gaming media, turning it into a giant shit show in the process.
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viperman240  +   15d ago
Please do so, don't bother going to these shill sites, just look how much we (the informed) have affected these sites.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media...
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Blues Cowboy  +   15d ago
Pretty sure this is standard post-E3 and Gamescom summer/autumn lull. News and articles are way down and coverage of the biggest games has died down before review season starts.
rainslacker  +   14d ago
I think its too soon to tell if this will have an effect on their traffic over the long run. Typically you would see their hits go up because of articles like this, but what this shows me is that despite the "Gamergate" scandal, most people just don't care and aren't going to the sites to read about anything at all.

I'd imagine if you look at all gaming site traffic, you'd see similar results right now. They'll go up again. I'd imagine some of these sites pushing the "death of the gamer" mantra are just waiting around to TGS to distract us with the next big shiny or big controversy.
McToasty207  +   15d ago
Fellow Gamers I implore you to just ignore this whole situation,just go back to discussing the merits of individual games/consoles that's what gaming is. For Sarkesian does it actually matter if some feminist who doesn't really play games complains about them to an audience almost entirely composed of gamers(her shows not on Fox news or CNN just youtube for gods sake)so frankly her opinions don't matter. Quinns depression quest looks pretty boring just a hyperlink game really. So if these 2 women don't do anything of great importance to you and me why are you going overboard with these death threats and hacking accounts are that insecure you need approval from every human on the planet? just ignore it before you remove any credibility from gamers.
jjj0309  +   15d ago
"Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence."
-Leonardo da Vinci
SHAMEonNINJAS  +   15d ago
Baaaahahahaha.. I've never heard of any sort of media brazenly attack it's viewers like this, how pathetic. Video game journalism has died and they are pretending they don't need you. Please stop visiting the major sites like kotaku and polygon, let them rot in peace with their new demographic.
Drithe  +   15d ago
Love the blue hair.
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sAVAge_bEaST  +   15d ago
the 'DEATH, of "PO$ERS", & the "MEDIA" that stood by 'THEM,
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Skankinruby  +   15d ago
Lol its not too often you see an incompetent woman pull out the sexism card to gain a few points in the industry which will lead to nothing other than a delay of your ultimate demise. How about you just get over yourself and take a few journalism classes to write some articles that don't give readers a headache.
Adropacrich2  +   15d ago
There's no doubt that a portion of gamers online are an insensitive sort. Immaturity and ignorance that can't unfortunately be stopped. Unnecessary of course but put downs of this sort are just another part of what makes humans vile

The only thing I take away from knowing people do this is that in all likelihood some will upset the wrong type in these situations leading to unwanted consequences

I try to be sensitive to those I game with because I don't think it's of any benefit to either side that I make them feel bad in some way. Apparently though it's much easier just to be an insensitive twat

A lot of this though just comes down to maturity which is something that develops slower for others
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gamejediben  +   15d ago
Listening to these feminazi's trash gamers every day actually makes me nostalgic for the old days when we could laugh at Jack Thompson and his tirades against gaming.

You knew he didn't really believe all the crap he was saying but the controversy brought more sales and actually helped the industry. It was a win-win for everyone.

But there's no winning in this shitstorm the feminazis have brewed. We're all losers in this. The feminists look like psycho extremists that are offended that men even exist. The gamer guys are made to look like they are beating on the gamer girls and the gamer girls end up looking like helpless victims. It's poisonous to everyone.

The only way to win is to not play. Are you happy now, feminazis?
WitWolfy  +   15d ago
Who the hell is this chick?
Blues Cowboy  +   15d ago
Look, I'm sick of this whole thing. There's no conspiracy and no-one's coming to take our games away. And we all should be too busy playing games to bother following this stuff anyway.

BUT articles like this antagonise and browbeat, and makes many gamers feel like they're being rapped across the knuckles. No wonder some folks feel like battle lines are being drawn and 'sides' are forming even though they're really, really not.
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jts1891  +   15d ago
'Gamers' aren't dead. They aren't even close. The industry is bigger than it's ever been, and so is the gamer community. These people are so detached from reality it isn't even funny.
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