With PSN improving by the day and catching up to Xbox Live, how will Sony manage to keep this growing service free of charge?
As long as Home can be launch soon, Sony has nothing to worry about in terms of making enough money to keep PSN free. Home will feature ads in forms of banners and virtual space. Home will feature extra big apartment that player can buy (revenue as well), probably also some sort of auction house for user generated content which Sony will probably take a few % of the profit. Also company who has their own interactive space will probably be able to sell stuff in Home and Sony will also take a cut of that too. Also real life company like Adidas can sell virtual shoes and of course Sony will act as the government, and there is something called Sales Tax. With all these sales tax, PSN will be free, and it will even be profitable. That's not including what Qore is doing, which will expand that revenue
Home will have adds in it, and if sony keeps it free then they know the maximum amount of people will be on it, because they can. and companies will know that too therefore buying add spaces in home because lots of people will see them. In the end keeping it free might infact make them more money. It would be dumb to charge for it in my opinion.
how much is good pr and having a competitive edge worth? i bought the ps3 partially because the online is free. Its also good for people when they compare it to other consoles tell me how would sony have done in its early years if psn also cost money on top of the costly initial price? I think it would have done even worse. Also adding a cost to psn is a PR nightmare i'll tell you ill be a little angry if it does and i think sony knows it too.
If Home is nothing but a big advertising forum I won't use it. Not that I would use it anyway.
Home wouldnt be any different then anything you see walking down the street. I am in the beta and I cant wait for E3 so I can walk around in a virtual space checking out all of the cool booths. They will have it (I hope).
good point. however i think they will end up charging anyway, and i don't mind because if it's good service i'll support it. i think they'll end up charging because for it to be paid completely by ads PSN has to have a HUGE number of clients, in fact be the network of choice. i don't think PSN can do that without Sony investing alot of money to hold back LIVE and that big of an investment will force Sony to charge, and you know MS has some spending money to back up LIVE.
I strongly urge you all to read the article and not just the title. This suggestion applies to ALL articles.
apparently people disagree with that extreme logic and truth, as you currently have 6 disagrees...
"The Playstation Network has only slightly improved in the eighteen months it’s been on the market and as of now the loser of the online component in the console war. As with other components, the Xbox 360 is the clear winner and all of the above features (and more) that may come…will only come in the future. " (from the article) piss poor article, coz wii's online component is fantastic isn't it? at best sony comes second place to MS this gen and thats if you believe this sh1t that p2p online is better than faster DEDICATED servers. if i could underline dedicated i would....several times.
when they want to start ripping off people like m$ does for online
free is Sony's middle name lol but yeah it would be a stupid move if they decide to charge for online play :)
im pretty sure sony would lose alot of online users if they did that and im pretty sure sony also knows too
If it is losing the online war, then where is the Wii?! You bring up could points. Home is probably going to be a big deal for them, because of almost limitless ad space.
At the end of the day. PSN does enough, is free and best of all is lag free:)
I figured that in order to KEEP things free on PSN, the advertising from HOME and in-game would keep the costs down, and even make profit. I could be wrong though
i hope it stays free....hopefully
wrong question to ask, you should be asking how long will xbl cost money? seriously psn has more games that use dedicated servers, so xbl is getting you what? and i seriously doubt a team of workers are hired to make sure you get messages and voice chat that is software that does that. And even if said team is hired the ammount you pay should get you way more than that in fact i think msoft makes enough to get you guys dedicated servers for at least its own exclusive games if not more. also i read the article its somewhat slanted, although it stated the right ways sony plans on getting to pay online, through advertising and qore, it acts as if these will be unsuccesful and also it states that the psn network has had little updates ie.. not much improvement since its launch which i disagree with Also sony had an article in which they stated that they spent alot of time getting the advertising sector in Home and not so much on gameplay which tells me that the ammount of advert support Home has must be very big.
If PSN indeed DOES stay free, then yeah, your question sure as hell would be the next one we'd need to ask ourselves
All I want is: 1) Multiplayer Gaming - When COD4 goes offline for the weekend PSN says "Meh, it's COD4 tech issue, not our problem." And they expect us to pay them? Sounds like I should pay COD4 staff if I'm paying anyone. (I know PSN hasn't asked us to pay yet.) 2) Voice Chat - Bob talks to Bill for one hour, what did the PSN do to facilitate this? The PSN said "Bob, meet Bill" and that was the end of the PSN's role. It's called peer-to-peer. 3) Messaging - How much can it cost to relay a few short text messages? If they want me to cover the cost, they can raise the initial console cost by 10 dolars, and that should cover about 20 years worth in messaging. The things I want arn't thing I should have to pay for. If there is anything else that does require payment, I don't want it.
Xbox Live is better service than PSN, so there is no way somebody pay for the worst service, the same thing with wiiconnect. Xbox Live is not free because is the best, when PSN offer a equal service as Xbox Live and still free maybe Xbox Live will be free also or cheaper.
talk about a dedicated fanboy because msoft has the best they are entitled to charge $50 a year? and you should be thankful i think that they are overcharging way too much. And what does that say about msoft before it cost money but then all of a sudden it doesnt because sony caught up? Obviously it didnt cost them that much to begin with if they dont have to charge. But i will agree that msoft will drop to equal to remove the the edge from sony and if they dont i think it may actually sway more people to buy ps3's instead. voice chat and messaging is software and shouldn't cost you $50 bucks a year to get.
dude, you're seriously brainwashed big time by M$ aren't you? I'll not go as far as to compare the features because I know XBL has more. considering XBL is in it's 6th or 7th year(I don't remember) vs PSN in it's 2nd year, obviously XBL has the advantage! It's the 360 has more games argument all over again when 360 obviously had a year headstart! but what's your definition of better actually? M$ force you to pay $50 a year for Gold membership so you can play online and got the features the silvers not having, but are you getting everything in there also for free except the demo? you still need to pay for things offered inside and for god sake M$ even charging for f****g theme!! your online gaming also are P2P which obviously taking advantage of users bandwidth instead of theirs thus eliminating the needs for dedicated servers which usually cost money! for all this time, online gaming on PC had always been free and there's a lot of games using dedicated server but M$ applies similar concept with no dedicated server at all and charge you for that very feature! if you think about it, it's obviously a rip off. it's like you go to a supermarket but you need to buy a ticket before you got to buy things you want! you don't want to buy the ticket, you are not even allowed to talk with your friends inside that supermarket. and you said "when PSN offer a equal service as Xbox Live and still free maybe Xbox Live will be free also or cheaper." how the hell does anything will ever go any cheaper than free?? you're expecting M$ to give you money for your gold subscription now?
See your analyis on the best online service is incomplete. Comparing features, Xbox Live may have more and therefore seems to have the edge. Then you look at price, and suddenly it isn't the best anymore. Then you find out that you're really only paying for playing online (vs. Live Silver) then you got to bust out the kneepads and some vaseline cuz it's going to be a long night! Sony PSN, the No Vaseline online service.
"voice chat and messaging is software and shouldn't cost you $50 bucks a year to get." Because the voice/private chat and the voice/text messaging on the PSN is so grea...oh my bad, sorry. Look, a troll. Spreading more BS for other trolls to munch on. You have no idea what you're talking about. Voice/private chat and voice text/messaging does not cost $50 a year. See, here, in the real world, it's actually free. There is absolutely no cost to you to be able to use those features of the service. The $50 is to play online multiplayer and online multiplayer only. You wouldn't be trying to sling mud around here would ya? You knew what that $50 was for before you opened your trap, didn't you? Since...you use Live all the time, no?
I think the PSN on the PS4 will charge us monthly to play online and use other features. I just hope it's worth it. I forgot the Wii even connected to the internet.
look at it this way, sony knows they dont have the most full fledged online system, and for the past year they have been slowly making things better for PS3 owners, so they probably wouldnt do so.
but look for more crap like Qore in the future/ maybe a "PSN Gold" with faster download speeds from the store and some exclusive content is the way to go if sony need to make money but it needs to be free to play online to avoid ticling me off. Pkus you know Home will be Advert Center so I dont think they will go too OTT with pricing
Isn't the PSN architecture similar to PC in terms of online play where the developers are responsible for their online servers? Which is why pretty much all PC online games have no fees right? So, PSN has no reason to charge because they are not the ones providing servers...right? Please correct me if i'm wrong.
psn is gonna stay free, .... how can a company like sony not afford to keep it free,.it seems that u gys are to used to associating sony with the game consoles and u are forget the also have computers, hd t.v, sd t.vs, phones, micro waves,mp3 playes, movie studios... e.t.c>>>> enough said !! making us pay for psn now after the ps3 has been out for for well overe a year will do no good for sony and they know it, if they said from the ps3 launch that psn will not be free people whould have accteped it but to go free then force people to pay we will not accpet it.!!
As long as we are not forced to pay to play online games like the 360, i don't care what direction they take.
Home and the ad revenue associated with it is what will help to keep PSN free. That's a BIG feather in their cap.
As long as its free to play online then I could care less.
"With PSN improving by the day and catching up to Xbox Live" They mean *with Sony claiming PSN's improving and catching up* Catching up to what? standards MSFT creates lol by the time Sony catches up to XBL's current state XBL will be on its next evolution I doubt PSN will catch up not when this next update, its going to be a monster.
the in-game XMB will most likely make them the same, except you will be paying for yours : P
Hey Power of Green it's nice of you that you pay $50 for just a few features on XBL that cannot be done on the PSN. And there's features on the PSN that cannot be done on XBL. And XBL will not get better drastialy since the 360 is already obsolete and there's no spring update.
lol POG are you that desperate?
awww, look at that. It's POG. The person who whines when PS3 spartans go and post in 360 news. Piss off fanboy. If you don't like it when PS3 owners go to 360 news, then you should do the same and stay away from PS3 news.
aww and look at that, it`s people that stroke there little e-peens over their PS3/PSN like it was the only console/service in town...anything new here? I don`t think so. Brace yourselves now kiddos, they are both great services, and yes, Sony needs to monotize it if you want it to become better, Qore is a great way to start and there is nothing wrong with that, nothing in life is free, even full featured online services.... join the revolution, get all consoles and have fun with all the GAMES, even the power of green. None of the 3 major consoles are leaving us anytime soon, might as well choose the side wich has more of the important stuff, GAMES! ALL of them! lol Unless off course, you are a brand whore, and not a gamer...
oh, and I forgot to add, [email protected] jealous that I can enjoy all the games on all the consoles while you are little fanboy brandwhores stuck with one console? Thought so...lol
Just buy a PS3 change your name and forget that joke of a Console. PSN>>> Live . only bots disagree cuz u brainless xbots why else. Oh @ Mon just show your true colors already u now u a Bot just admit it ,you Hate Sony but Luv M$. i have Money out my A$$ and still wont buy that crap . learned my leasson last gen XBOX SUCKS. No thanks. Claim your a "gamer" all u want u plan and simple a Xbot tool.
Think what you will fantard and I`m still waiting for your PSN Pain, did mommy get you one yet? btw my true colors are that of a gamer with all consoles, something you retarded fanbots can`t compute with your one track brandwhore brains... And don`t forget Pain, you blocked me from sending you mssgs for simply asking for your PSN, shows what you are...a proud, sad fantard...
they can charge for special access situations (like Qore) that are optional for a bigger experience.
Because Microsoft has been charging an arbitrary amount for online play for so long. Yet they're the only console maker that does this. They've tried to justify the cost of Xbox Live Gold by stating that "maintaining our servers requires a lot of money and resources", but the only servers that run on the Xbox Live network are either part of the Core (download center) or Matchmaking. Everything else, i.e. online play, is P2P. PSN actually works the same way, contrary to what many people think. It doesn't use dedicated servers for most of its online play as well, but it does allow for that option since Sony lets developers connect their own server networks to PSN, or can even build dedicated servers at the request of the developer. Warhawk, Resistance, and Resistance 2 are a few examples. Xbox Live Gold's annual subscription costs don't have to exist. The people paying $50 a year are simply putting $400 million (total) into Microsoft's pocket. Very little of that is actually spent on the service itself. Sony already makes a lot of money off of PSN due to Downloadable Content. Microsoft does as well. PSN will probably be free for the entirety of the Playstation franchise. The work that Sony is doing right now is simply a foundation for PS4 and PS5. The network that they are building and improving for PS3 can simply be passed down over time, which is why their network is built with Gigabit in mind. Eventually, P2P issues will be nearly forgotten as ISP speeds continue to increase.
+bub DJ. That was an excellent comment.
I don't know but this article is basically saying that Sony HAS to charge for PSN to keep up with XBOX Live. To me that's not true. As most of us know HOME will have alot of ads and that's how it'll remain free. I think the big thing for Sony and PSN from a gamers perspective is keep it free, do everything in your power to keep it free. That's the huge difference between the two services and if you're just following in the competitions footsteps which the article is suggesting in my mind you're no better than them. I wouldn't pay for PSN simply put since i don't believe in paying extra money for playing online.Me and other people who own the same game as me and already spent 60 bucks for the game like me and hundreds of dollars for the console alogn with paying a internet bill have to pay another fee on top of everything just to connect with each other. That sounds like Bullshit to me no matter what company name is behind it.
I'd like to clear the air...I never state within the article that Sony should start charging for PSN, I am merely suggesting what will happen...assuming Sony never does. And yes I imagine Home will be full of ads, and I go into the consequences of those advertisements. There are websites which I avoid solely because of the amount of advertising...will PSN follow suit? And yes I partially agree with your last statement, charging to play online is BS. But the majority of my personal gaming is done online via consoles, and Xbox Live is the best online service...I have no choice. When I get a better gaming experience on the PS3 than I can get on the Xbox you can count on me cancelling my Live subscription.
I don't really mind ads. If that what it takes for it to remain free i'm all for it. I don't mind ads i think basically because it's part of business and i barely take notice on them only when i'm trying to find the button that says "skip to the article" or whatever. Since home is a virtual reality type of thing i imagine more virtual posters and lobbies and shizz filled with advertisements for products. Even stuff for your home decoration i can see some product placement there as well. I can see what you mean with your last comment as well. You just want a better overall experience. But for me it's no big deal to have those extra features. Playing online against/with other people is far more important to me than the added features and as long as i can play free that's all that matters to me honestly. Sure i want in game xmb and in game music but those just add to the experience. I don't really think those are make or break things to me at least. But it does make things alot better in overall experience. PSN for me more than get the jobs done. At least for now.
Better Question: How long can xbox live afford to be a pay service?
I got a disagree? Lol, Xbox Live evangelist are crazy. I have never seen a group more excited about paying money for something in my entire life. You can have polls that say Do you want to pay for Xbox Live? Yes or No and they will vote Yes every time. That is mindblowing to me. I really do not know what I am paying for on Live. I have to pay to play online but I do that on PSN for free.
XBL is not perfect but it works and will only get better. It's that simple. Since gamers are paying I would hope they raise some rukus to demand changes and lower prices.
if they give us full ingame xmb and free online play and keep it free then i dont know what im paying for live.
software they can afford to keep it free when they also have home being planned with advertisments being used to subsidize the cost of servers. the server can stay free much like N4G can stay free. thats the edge sony has, because ads arent bogging down the system. anywho.. i just got MGS4 i'm gonna go play now
It would have dedicated service like PSN but doesn't so I guess if you have two TVs in your room at the same time and playing both online when you compare which one has smooth online play guess which one is smoother? PSN may not have the quality but when it all comes down to playing online its definitely smoother then XBox Live but then again XBox 360 fans wouldn't understand what smooth is considering they've been experiencing lag on theres and this article is stupid Sony is making profit from PS2 PSP PS3 so why would they want to charge for there service?? they have three platforms that can make them a profit there is no need for them to do that unlike Microsoft that only has one so they have to do it considering they dropped there first console! and even if they did not drop there first console they would still charge there consumers.
Incorrect, XBL uses primarily P2P for gaming but it also does offer some games that have dedicated servers(most recently Frontlines Fuel of War). PSN uses primarly dedicated servers for it's bigger Sony titles but many games on PSN, especially third parties are using P2P. You make it sound like everyone on PSN is using dedicated servers.
I think the real question is, "How long can free Xbox Live last?". Sony is upgrading and adding new features to the Playstation Network all the time, and by the time Sony has the Video Store up and running, PlayTV, and has about everything else that is offered on Xbox Live, Microsoft will be pessured more and more to make Xbox Live Free. I think that Sony prides itself in being able to make the PSN free and I think that the PSN will always be free. I think that it's ridiculous to have to pay just to play games Online. $50 bucks a year isn't much, but by the time you subscribe to Xbox Live yearly, you could have bought a brand new game.
greatly exceed that of Xbox 360 and Xbox Live respectively, they'll first do a discount for yearly online access, and then make it free for everyone and do a big publicity event. PSN is already more user friendly than XBL, and just as stable. It's just missing one feature at the moment that is OS based, but affects online play: cross-game chatting/communication.
If the avatar rumors are true it looks like the next evolution for XBL is Mii clones; it looks as if MS is playing catch up to Nintendo (again).
lol, both sony and MS are playing to catch up with nintendo in sales unless you have not noticed.... And don`t play hipocryte, especialy with a Sixaxis in your hands....
oh they both have motion controls okay well the 360 has a (x) button 4 back buttons all the buttons are in the same place and is as close to the same shape as they could get it!
Dont even talk about Wii right here , because that thing can compete with PS2. PS2 Resident Evil 4 has better graphics than any Wii game. Anyway, ofcourse PSN will remain free. Its improving ofcourse, it will remain free because its being run by SCE. SCE is not like MS. MS will digg into sh1t in order to get a dollar out of it. SCE launched Qore and that is more than enough.
Wasn't the GameCube version of Resident Evil 4 ported over to the Wii? The GameCube version was visually more impressive than the PS2 version, so that kind of invalidates your first statement.
By clicking on you profile and checking out all your comments, all your other comments invalidates your first statement. lol
As long as it takes. I don't think Sony has any plans to start charging for online play since it's a core functionality of the system and a core function of gaming in general. Charging for something that should be included when you purchase a game is pretty much thievery.
Sure sony fanboys you are right the service is free BUT LAGGY AS HELL. Example Warhawk = Laghawk Call of duty 4 = Lag of duty 4 metal gear online = Lag gear online but dont worry is still free JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA
You are quite a closed minded fellow aren't you? Obviously you played PS3 at your friends house, the one with a 32KB connection. Yes, im sure back at home you have no problems with Xbox Live, or without even research this "Lag" you talk about that the Playstation Network suffers. Why don't you never post another comment ever before doing any research you idiot. Good day.
PSN = LAGG ? NO... SH1T internet connection = LAGG I have a good internet connection and i havent got any lagg in game. Before you say anything you fa.ggot, you need to know that the COD4 arent hosted on PSN dedicated servers. The way this works is P2P = which is Peer 2 Peer. PSN hasnt got anything to do with this. SO STFU if you dont know sh1t.
360 fanboy, you are wrong, sorry. I have a great internet connection and both my PSN and LIVE works fine and dandy, and they are both grat services to boot!
The Playstation Network is run off a Bit-Torrent network. It's free so they don't have to pay for bandwith that's why things like downloading the patch for MGO was torrrentable. Stupid idiot fanboys writing articles like theese. Everybody is so opinionated in the gaming sites nowadays arent they? They just let everyone become a writer now dont they?
PSN is improving it will get there