Episode 22: Part 4 - Metal Gear Solid 4 What's next for Kojima and his team and will MGS4 ever make its way to the 360?
its not just that, its also this http://www.apple.com/
However, people are wrong about the number of DVD's it would take to hold the game. A recent article posted on N4G sometime ago discovered that MGS4 took up 33 GB. Technically, with DVD 9, you could fit the game on 4 discs; maybe even 2 or 3 with the "best" compression (with a slight loss in video quality). If the CGI videos were re-sized, 2 or 3 DVD's is a conservative measure. Alas, this won't happen. If you don't have a PS3 your out of luck...until the next MGS4 to 360 rumor:-P
Have you even played the game? 1. Several references to the Cell processor and Bluray have been made throughout the game. Sony exclusive stuff. Watch all the cut scenes and you'll understand. 2. A lot of the equipment they use in the game are actually Apple technology. iPods, Apple Cinema Displays, Mac Pro's, etc. M$ would want them to switch to Zune and PC. ROFL.
@blindfromthesun Just a little nitpicking on the CGI compression issue. As you may know the cut-scenes in MGS are not pre-rendered CGI but are scripted to utilizes the in-game engine and textures. If these assets are further compressed, the in-game texture quality may also be compromised. I highly doubt that Kojima would do anything that sacrifices the presentation quality.
thank you aaquib5, you said everything i was thinking. +bubbles for your Psycho Mantis skills
There are a million things in the game the reference to PS brand. -PS3 -Bluray -Cell -PSP At the install it say "this game is intended for PS3 system only" or something like that. Throughout the game they make it very obvious, this game will NOT make it`s way to the 360. Geoff probaly hasn`t played it out of resentment for PS.
rofl i got 4 disagrees for saying the truth, i already beat the game, i seen what i saw.
It would look kind funny with Microsoft advertising Apple Products and Sony Product. Snake uses a PS3 controller to control the MkII robot and the game is Loaded with Apple Pro systems and the IPod is a product that Snake uses during the game.
Do any of the comments directed at me have anything to do with what I said? Did you read it? If you did, you have a 5th grade reading comprehension skill (read: noob). If you didn't,I think the right word for you is ignorant prick. I talked about the number of DVD's it would take to fit MGS4. I didn't say anything about the possibility of the game coming to Xbox. There will always be hopeful rumors. I also didn't say anything about product placement (apple, psp, ps3) in my comment. I communicated that the game wouldn't come to Xbox 360 period. PS3 has a sweet AAA title and non-PS3 owners want it. I have a game for goodness sake! Too bad you can't see when I'm playing the game like on Xbox Live. Otherwise you wouldn't be able say ignorant and paranoid things like "you don't have the game/PS3." I actually do. Sorry I don't worship my PS3 like so many other people on this site do. I think a few people need to hop off the d!cks of their respective consoles and grow a brain. Edit: I try to post meaningful and insightful things on n4g.com but few people attempt to do the same. Maybe I'm on the wrong website because I'll on see here is fanboyism.
Act as Snake dammit!!! He already has the look, the awesome voice. All he needs to do is buff up a bit more with some steriods and BAM! The movie would be more awesome!
Theres no way they could ever put this game on the 360 because not all xbox games have Hard drives. It would also take like 6 fricken discs to play. Its an exclusive and will always be one, so enough with this non-sense.
To be fair to the xbox they could have the whole HDD required sticker on the front, and its mgs not gta4, not an open world, im sure that changing disks each chapter or whatever wouldnt be a problem however its blatently not coming out on xbox LOL not to mention this is getting very old...as in last year old.
yeah, anybody who has played the game knows it will never cross over, i feel sorry for you too. cuz it's great! if you disagree you haven't played the game yet, kojima must love the ps3
Wow... They're so desperate for MGS4.
Who? N'Gai? Media? =)
No, you. The Xbox owners. The only reason the media keeps bringing it up is because you Xbox users keep insisting that MGS4 will one day find itself on the 360. If you folks didn't want it so badly, the topic wouldn't show up on N4G every day.
O Lord GT stop the attention seeking........ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!
Two things I noticed while watching their conversation: 1. N'gai Croals swollen belly. 2. Rob Smiths child molester glasses.
Would be nice, seeing that I'm not Playstation owner. I was lucky enough to play the original on Dreamcast (<3 Bleemcast, and if anyone actually remembers that, I <3 you as well) and the 2nd on my original Xbox, but I feel left out without the last two. It definitely sucks sometimes to not have the cash to dish out for both systems. But, like just about everyone, I doubt it'll come to Xbox.
PS3 is where all the games are at. Last week was just the beginning. From here on, the Sony triple A exclusives are starting roll in slowly. By the time FF13 and VS13 comes out, it would be too late to buy a PS3 as you would be 1 year behind in playing ALL THOSE games that have come out in the mean time. Not very smart thinking, now is it. If you had have a PS3 now, you could have enjoyed every great franchise upon its release. Saves you a lot of trouble and sleepless nights pondering how you can not play all those triple As.
Sort of spoilers: Given the amount of PlayStation hardware references (PSP, PlayStation 3, PlayStation), Apple product placement (iPod, MacBooks etc), Blu-ray bigging and various other factors. No, it's never coming to 360.
they have a deal with apple. if you havent played the game, play it and see what we mean
exactly, snake controlling the mk 2 with the sixaxis, sunny playing psp, otacon's codec bluray reference, the numerous apple computers in the game, its quite obvious.
Spoilers: theres a PS3 gunmetal inside the nomad as well use the MKII to go upstairs to the kitchen
They wold use any product if someone pays for it, we are talking small changes
and it just happens to be apple right? BTW kojima chose the ipod and macs to be there, not the other way around. If you really are a fan of the game, you would buy a PS3, shut up and play it. Only trolls hope for ports of games they're not really interested in.
Pwned. No. Never.
Its just the stupid bots that kept saying that it might even though there was zero chance. Them stupid monkeys are delusional and simply wont give up. Sunny is playing a frikkin PSP in the Nomad. You think thats possible if the game were on the 360? They make jokes about the 360 in this game. How you dont have to change disc and stuff like that. You control the MK2 with the PS3 controller for crying out loud! Not just PS3 controller but SIXAXIS technology! Not possible for the 360. They make references to MGS1 and PS1 and PS3 throughout the game! I mean literally saying "oh you are playing on a PS3!" The storyline in MGS4 makes references to MGS1, 2 and 3 (which was PS3 exclusive) constantly. You bots wouldnt understand any of it. From a pure technical standpoint? NO. Never. MGS4 is dual blue ray and even WITH installing, there are still loading times in the game. Can you imagine how long you would have to wait if this game were on the 360 WITHOUT installing? It would be frikkin 30 seconds loading times every 20 mins or so. The superb fluid transition from cutscenes to gameplay? Not possible on the 360. And finally the incredible physics, the animation, they pushed the CELL to its current known limits with that. The 360 processor is simply not powerful enough to pull that off. There hasnt been one 360 game that had physics and animations like Uncharted. MGS4 goes not one step further than Uncharted. It goes 20 steps further. Its not possible on the 360. Just admit it. The game also relies heavily on advertisement to recoup the high development costs. For instance, there is an iPod in the game which you can use. I wonder how many millions Apple gave to Konami for that. And then there is a Sony Ericsson phone featured in the game. Clearly Sony helped Konami in recouping the losses through advertisement and thus secure MGS4s exclusivity. There are more items like these scattered throughout the game securing MGS4 exclusivity. So just SUCK it. The frikkin game is also BUNDLED with a PS3 in a special edition bundle. You gotta be pretty dense to think that despite the bundling, the game will still come to 360 SOMEHOW. That pretty much seals it. But nooooooo, bots still think it will come. SUCKS TO BE AN XBOT. Someone post that pic where the guy says he will wait for MGS4 for the 360 and then after 50 years, only his skeleton remains and the game is still exclusive for the PS3!
Likewise, Halo and Gears will never be on PS3. We win.
LOL Know one cares about playin Halo 2.5 and Gays of Tears. Get over yourself! http://achievements.schrank...
Just like Gran Turismo, God of War, Killzone 2, Resistance 2, Ratchet and Clank games, Uncharted series, the Rockstar Exlcusive that will be announced at this years E3(its a new IP only on PS3 hahahah), Motorstorm, Jak and Daxter, inFAMOUS, Warhawk, Final Fantasy 13, Final Fantasy 13 Versus, White Knight Chornicles which will destroy any crap JRPG on the 360...every game Level 5 has ever made is AAA, Heavy Rain(from the creators of Indego Propchecy which is a Cult Classic....it will be huge)...ther are more. You won't have anything remotely close to Playstation Home on the 360 and its for free. You don't have a Blu Ray player built into your console or Wifi for that matter... Blu Ray players are still 400$ by the way... and you still pay 100$ just for a cheap little Wifi add-on. Not too mention MGS4, LITERALLY the single greatest game ever created. Its hard to say it now because its brand new(and you just cant say a new game is OMG THE GREATEST EVER!!...it has to stand the test of time... TRUST ME... MGS4 WILL. Nothing will come close for a LONG LONG TIME) but 2-3 years from now it will be at the VERY TOP of every list, ever. And just watch and read the reviews. It is one of the greatest and seriously....do you think FFVII, Ocarina of Time and Half Life 2 can stand up to MGS4.... I understand its within a context but SERIOUSLY... MGS4 just blows them TO PIECES. Its not even close how much more AWESOMENESS MGS4 has than those games. Just as IGN said: "Metal Gear Solid 4 not only raises the bar, it OBLITERATES it.." Now being half way through Act 4...this is the ONLY WAY to describe MGS4. Action games will now be judged differently... the endings to Act II and OMGGGGGGGGGGG ACT III.... are literally on the level of the biggest Hollywood Blockbusters(I would sayig passing them...MGS4 is INSANELY awesome). They are PHENOMENAL, as if you were playing through a Micheal Bay or Steven Spailberg movie. The digital Acting is YEARS ahead of anything ever seen on consoles or PC and the graphics are far and away the best EVER ATTEMPED on console. NOTHING. NOTHING will touch what MGS4 has done UNTIL SOMEONE ATTEMPTS to beat it. It's that good. Also my console is extremely quiet and reliable, your's is a piece of garbage that heats your whole room up after playing for an hour. Your console is OVERTATED. It got a couple of good games before the PS3...becuase IT'S BEEN OUT ALMOST TWICE AS LONG. That doesnt change how awesome of a console the PS3 is. Just like you very well know you are as bored of Gears of War as I am... and MGS4 makes Gears of War LOOKS LIKE absolute NOOBS made the game. It is GUARANTEED. Mark my words. Gears of War 2 WILL NOT EVEN TOUCH what Metal Gear Solid 4 is. MGS4 was in development for 4 years with over 200 people working on it. Seriously, it is this generation's Final Fantasy VII or Ocarina of Time. Metal Gear Solid 4 changed the game.
Jenzo -- contributor ? laughable he still on this get a life jenzo mart pog pp crab etc etc etc u have lost your hate campiagn go away oh i dont read replies not bothered what xbots say no one is
The whole discussion of PS3 exclusives going Multiplatform only had basis when the installbase was small and possibly not enough on its own to be profitable for companies like Konami. But the install base grew and it's at an estimated 13million - more than enough for a game like Metal Gear to make a profitable return.
Never going to happen when Kojima is in charge! Jebus bless him!
not likely, but if it did, there would be alot of disc changing, but i dont see the series going away from sony... i know sony hasnt been fighting for too many exclusives, but this i would say is a battle stance they will hold.
If you noticed recently the Sony stance on exclusives, or rather paying for exclusives has changed. Since Kaz Hirai too over for Phil Harrison the Sony word now is that they would utilize money to secure exclusivity. But I don't think that is necessary for two reasons. One is what Rob Smith discussed. It is more than just a port and far more than deleting those scenes Smith is speaking about. The other issue is though Konami owns parts of the Metal Gear franchise, Kojima owns the rest including Solid Snake. It is why studios had to negotiate with him and not Konami for motion picture rights. And he is dead set that his vision, which has repeatedly stated is only possible on the PS3, will not be lessened by another platform regardless of money. Some people can't be bought and Kojima is one of those people.
In 6 months we will see MGS4 on xbox360. The game will be available in 4 DL-DVDS.
No. And if it was, that'd be more like 40 DVDs.
But it will only works on consoles which have RRoD.
Yes. The game is only 33gb so that will require 4 DL-DVD. Are you stupid? 40 DVDs? Thats like 360gb....Stupid...STUPID..STU PID!
At less than 8GB per disc you can't just divide the total size by the that figure. Som many items would have to be replicated on every disc. Items that take up space such as audio and textures. Those are just two of many. It would easily be 8 discs. It's all a waste of speculation anyway because Kojima has the final say and he says no. It isn't money for him, it is principle.
And here comes a moronic xbot, who has never even seen the game being played on a real TV, claiming that the game is ONLY 33GB. Wow must be pretty stupid yes? Listen stupid xbot. In MGS4, Sunny plays a PSP. There is an Apple iPod in the game. There is a Sony Ericson phone. A Sony camera model. This can only lead to one conclusion, bot. This game is exclusive now and forever.
Yeah, its not going to the 360. Sony said it wasn't, Kojima said it wasn't, Konami said it wasn't. Plus when your playing MGS4, Otacon calls you up, and tells you time to change the disk snake. Wait, oh never mind were on the playstation 3 system. Dual layer BD. No need to change the disk. And when your using the mk 2 your using a six axis to show its exclusiveness to the ps3. So yeah its not. Go away 360 fanboys and play halo or something.
Damn, that was harsh. But you're speakin tha truth.
That tells me that it just won't happen. They could have just had a computer, But every computer in he game has an apple logo on it. You also have an IPod ingame.
Don't forget all the mobie Phones are Sony Ericsson as well
Theirs another reason why it will never go to the 360. It has apple ads, everywhere! To bad 360 owners. No mgs4 for you. Have fun with mediocre ninja gaiden 2.
XBox 360 is only known for Gamers to get points on their games if Metal Gear Solid 4 did they would only buy it only for the points, PS3 fans actually don't buy games so they can get a high rank maybe some but not all, how do you think so many of the XBox 360 fans games like BioShock and Gears of War sold alot?! and same thing with Mass Effect hell XBox 360 fans will always be known for to just get points they just don't stop and take there time to look around in the game when there playing it they just try to beat it and get points and stickers and theMart at Xboxkings the game is not 33GB its 50GB I can't believe you actually believe that? but then again its you, you would believe anything from an article hell if there was an article that said that Microsoft has unlimited money you would believe it!. PS3 fans actually take there time with there games and just don't try to beat the game like its the end of the world if they don't whoknew Kojima knows that PS3 sales millions of software to so whats your point?? you dumbass cause you don't have a point and plus it already did sell a million so I guess your point has no asset so why don't you throw yourself into a volcano for the XBox 360 gods to satisfy them
They make fun of the 360 and have PS3 and Apple things throughout the whole game. Kojima is the man. He knows where his roots are. But I SERIOUSLY don't see GTA 4 costing more money than MGS4...the quality of the games are in different leagues.
Who cares. I personally never played any metal gear game. I think I played a little of metal gear 1 on ps1 but that's it. then only owned the xbox. Ninja gaiden and Unreal championship 2 all the way.
wow, thats quite sad that you think those games substitute for MGS4. but whatever it takes to make you feel better, i guess
Yeah...it's a bit silly to compare completely different genres like that, especially when you haven't even experienced MGS. If it's not your cup of tea, fine, but there's really no reason to pointlessly comment.
All you saying no never... Konami is 3rd party dev. They can bring their IP's where ever they like. About how Bioshock came to the PS3, although paid for some timed exclusive for the 360. Same with MGS4. Yes, even 33GB, when rightly compressed could take up 2 or 3 DL-DVD's at the most because all of the movies (50% of the games time). This game has cost so much money, they can't recope that all on the PS3's installed base alone. 13 mln. possible buyers (lets say 5 to 7 mln. will buy it) won't be enough. But, another 20 mln. possible buyers (on 360) can make the difference.
wtf are you yapping on about no game has ever or will ever cost so much to make/market that 5 million sales won't recover costs or turn profit idiot
I just love to see bots who still believe that it is comming to their system. I love to see them wait and get nothing. Kojima in the latest gamespot interview implied that it's staying on the ps3 forever; seems like the 360 can't handle the game.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. Do you think your POS3 will help sell MGS4? Kojima knows the 360 sells millions in software, in a matter of 6 months Ill be playing MGS4 on my 360.
What the hell mart. No game will need 5million copies sold to break even. I suspect MGS4 cost around the 30-40million mark to make (given the production value of it and development time). And seeing as the cheapest a game is sold is in the US so thats $60 a pop, that means to break even they will need to sell around 670,000 copies to break even ,which it has done seeing as it sold around 1.3million alone on its first day (which is $78million at least basing it on the lowest price the game is sold) then not to mention the fact the in game advertising money in the game from company's such as Sony, Apple, Regain, Triumph etc will help cover more development costs.
There are too many anti-360 jokes in it. MGS4 wont only sale 5 million and if it did only sale 5 million that would give them hundreds and hunderds of millions of dollars in revenue and the game is EASILY going to sale 7-8 million, lifetime. This is a very very good game, my friend. It will sale around 3 million in its first week.
@resistance100 essentially yeah, but you have to remember that not all of that $60 goes to Konami Konami makes what they sell to retailers minus the material value of the disk, manual etc but still- they won't need more than 1.5-2 mil to break even not too mention the fact that games are essentially more expensive in the UK (£40=$80) and that Konami has made deals with Sony and Apple to make extra revenue they certainly don't need the 360 to make a huge profit on MGS4
lol so u guys still think it's coming for xbox360? well guess what: it's NOT. every mobile phone is a sony-ericsson, every computer is a mac, u've got an ipod, psp's, playstation 1 and 2, ps3's, the blu-ray and cell talk, mark 2 is controlled with a sixaxis/dualshock3, jesus this game reeks of sony and apple. I can understand how u can't see that, because u haven't played it, so it's only natural.
Youre funny. On every news about MGS4, you complain and say that is not a good game and its over-rated. And when there's a "false" rumor about MGS4 on 360: OMG yes it's possible we'll get it. Ok just shut your mouth? I dont care if they delete my post. You need to stop talking here. N4G don't needs dudes like you. Keep that in minds; MGS4 won't come on the 360. MGS will always be on the PlayStation brand.
ROFL at Bots making mock up pictures of MGS4 going on the 360, right after they bashed it stating that the game sucks, Damage control anyone???? I just played the game and beat it, the game will forever be exclusive to the PS3 do to Hardware Difficulties to port such a massive game to the crappy console and of course POLITICS. Now What do i mean POLITICS? easy, do you see Apple Advertising Windows on a Mac? no. Thats like a Republican Endorsing a Democrat you idiots. imagine that on the 360, a Microsoft Machine! that would be against microsoft period, especially when thats their main rival) Konami would have to wait till their contract with Sony, and Apple is done, and thats probably 2-3 years from now. Do you think Konami/Kojima Productions will have the time to port a 3 year old game? no. by that time they'll be concentrating on a new or another IP other than Metal Gear, like ZOE3 or a Snatcher/Policenauts Remake for example. -From a technical Standpoint the transition from cutscene to gameplay is something i havent scene in a 360 game yet, not to mention a gameplay while a huge in-game cutscene is playing (MGS4 player who beat the game, remember almost to the end of act 4? 2 battles taking place at the same time in the same hangar)
C'mon, Bonus Round. Running out of topics? :)
Cutsceens are ALL IN GAME so your argument is fail. They said they needed to sell 1 mil 1st day to turn in for profit, which they did so they are now making profit. You are fail. Report as SPAM and move on.
yeah well perhaps Konami might consider po.. [[Insert Disk 2]]rting the game to the Xbox 360 in the [[Insert Disk 3]] future =]
I don't see it happening. One, because if you play the game you see that the characters use a lot of sony and mac hardware product. Like for instances Snake use a ps3 controller to control Mkii, vamp and naomi uses a sony ericson mobile phone, and Otacon uses a mac notebook. Second, the game needed a dual layer blueray disk, plus it requires a 8 min install and then a additional 3 min one in between chapters. Third they make fun of the xbox 360 in the game so. I just don't see it happening.