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Submitted by WilliamUsher 231d ago | news

4chan Recruits Gamers Via Facebook To Out Corruption In Games Journalism

One Angry Gamer "If you've grown tired of all the BS that has been flung around lately by the outlets and video game writers that you used to respect – and there were quite a few I used to respect, including John Walker of Rock, Paper, Shotgun and Leigh Alexander of Gamasutra – then you're probably a bit downtrodden at the social justice warrior movement to basically make gamers leave the gaming community. It makes no sense and it has no end-goal other than to antagonize and intimidate (which is quite ironic given that they're all against harassment, trolling and abuse). Nevertheless, there's hope. Various communities from 4chan have finally stopped bickering amongst themselves to work together to help all of gaming." (Industry)

Credit url: m.facebook.com
-Foxtrot  +   231d ago
I'd support them, we moan on about sites like Kotaku on here I don't see why N4G hasn't done this before. Least we would be contributing to something and at least try to put an end to it.

Just think these guys are getting paid to review video games then lie about them if they wish while collecting gaming goodies along the way like press kits and rare collectibles.

However I don't like how they are using Vivian James as a mascot. Corruption has been around way before this whole thing surrounding Vivian James, 4chan and Zoe Quinn
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Blacktric  +   231d ago
Well, they're using Vivian James as a mascot because it's the only thing that's perfectly relevant with what's going on at the moment. It's just to put a more recognizable face on the movement.

Also, according to the Facebook page they linked in the article; these SJW idiots are preparing to make an announcement at PAX on monday morning, where they'll all take the stage, standing hand to hand and urge people to not use the word "gamer" and replace it with something else. They'll apparently use the "we are showing our faces and not hiding behind our computers like you" shtick to tell people that they're right and everyone who opposes them are wrong. All while declaring their support for Anita and Zoe on stage.

I don't know if this is true or not, but considering that these people are batshit crazy and incessantly use media to push their agenda, anything's possible.
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00  +   231d ago
That would be kind of crazy if they did that. but if they no longer want to be called gamers or think they are above gamers, then they should have no say in gaming related issues.
WilliamUsher  +   231d ago
@00

My biggest problem with this whole "we're no longer gamers" is that they want to do exactly what you say they shouldn't be doing: meddling with the gaming industry.

The idea is that they feel the industry needs to be shaped in their vision of what should and shouldn't be allowed while at the same time shaming and demonizing anyone who disagrees with them (i.e., Dragon's Crown, Akiba's Trip, etc., etc.,)

If they want to get out of being called "gamers", I don't think anyone has a problem with that, but them trying to change gaming culture to fit their agenda is just wrong.
Remy_Chaos  +   231d ago
And to think this is what idiots like LS should be focusing on, not disrupting our gaming fun! All hackers or whatever should focus on exposing suspicious sites, imagine how fun it would be to find out just how much certain companies bribe reviewers.
-Foxtrot  +   231d ago
Imagine the secret convos, files, meetings, behind closed door deals hackers might be able to find

I don't support hacking when it's used for "evil" but when it comes to exposing the truth...let it be I say.
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Remy_Chaos  +   231d ago
Could you make it sound any juicer? LOL! I just don't understand why it hasn't been done yet, its annoying. It's not really evil either, especially when the people responsible get fired, sued, etc. They just got what they deserved. Imagine seeing the real scores for COD and AC, I bet no higher than 6 all around.
kingdip90  +   231d ago
This topic annoys me seriously.

Characters in video games are based on fantasy, of course they don't represent or properly portray any real group of people because they are not real.... they are fantasy and would be impossible to live up to in most cases.

fantasy Like this has existed for eons in stories, plays, movies, tv shows, legends, and games. There has never been a proven link of th effecting the behavior of the audience and to suggest that beating women in games to death will devalue women to the gamer in real life is just like saying that violence in games = violence in real life and we all know that is untrue.

If these people want to see real people who are properly fleshed out and don't conform to offensive tropes then they should go to the mall... and avoid people who actually fit those tropes pretty well.
Blacktric  +   231d ago
But don't you know that wanting to escape from the mundaneness of life by playing games that have women with caricaturistic features, is SEXIST? How dare you want to play as a ridiculous looking woman who beats up equally ridiculous looking men? Don't you know that it treats women like sex objects and objectifies them in a wrong way, eventhough the men are objectified even more by being mere obstacles and things to throw around?!

/sarcasm

The day this; "second wave feminism meets social justice warriors on internet" fad dies, will be the day everyone will be free to create art the way they want without having to pander to some narrow minded morons, who had horrible life choices and are now looking for some group to belong to that regularly produces mental masturbation material for them to feel good about themselves.
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kahjah  +   231d ago
"everyone will be free to create art the way they want without having to pander to some narrow minded morons"

People are already free to make the art they want. That supposed fad is just pointing out that much of it is coming from only point of view. The ideas behind second wave feminism aren't that hard to understand if you take a second to understand that they actually might have a point. You know being people and all.
Blacktric  +   231d ago
" The ideas behind second wave feminism aren't that hard to understand if you take a second to understand that they actually might have a point."

Eventhough they don't? Look, I understand that this might be hard for someone who uses "straight white male privilege" as an excuse to run away from facts, but none of their laughable excuses for scantily clad women in most games, have a point.

Sarkeesian states in her most recent video that women in strip clubs are presented as objects or background decoration in someone's narrative. What she's forgetting is that, the place is a strip club. Not a house, an office or a restaurant, but a strip club. And if you expect nonplayable, unimportant side characters (like the strippers or men who are looking at the strippers) to have some sort of depth and have them have meaningful conversations with men in there, you are, basically, a moron.

And when morons go up in arms after seeing an overly sexualized female character in a game (in overly charicaturized manner), amongst equally over sexualized male characters, and yell "OH MY GOD THAT IS MISOGYNY! THAT IS SEXISM!", that will end up effecting some, not all, but some artists' views on whether they should go with the design or force it to make it fit to these people's views. Or worse, the publisher will ask them to do so. There are already some examples of this, like the artist who worked on Divinity: The Original Sin getting opressed by journalists. Basically; you are free to criticize an art piece. You just have no right to start a witch hunt against it using your place in the media.

http://orogion.deviantart.c...

And saying "the second wave feminism is just pointing out how much of it is coming from only point of view", is laughable and can only be said by someone who specifically ignored games like Beyond Good & Evil or Dreamfall that features women that don't have caricaturisticly over sexualized looks.

But again, I'm not expecting someone who can't accept the fact that SJWs aren't mislabled for the most part and are in fact people who are incapable of having a proper discussion without spewing buzzwords like "privilege", "rape culture" or "patriarchy" when they get cornered, to understand or give credence to any of this.

Second wave feminism, at this point, is nothing but a fad that can't support its own weight. And day by day, thanks to people who can think for themselves without getting swept by some scammer's lies or a professional victim's words, it's getting closer to the point of collapsing.

And I wouldn't call it anything but a fad that's being supported by people who haven't contributed to anything in their lives at this point. Especially when strong, scholar women are also going against it at full force.

https://scontent-a-mxp.xx.f...
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kahjah  +   231d ago
Once you use the words SJW as a pejorative you lose me on your arguement.
Blacktric  +   231d ago
The word; SJW, was made up to be used as pejorative. People who use it aren't insulting people who want social justice. It's used to describe people who bother and attack other people on the internet that doesn't agree with their way of thinking (like the Tumblr feminists).

http://www.urbandictionary....
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kahjah  +   231d ago
That's not been my experience seeing the term used. It's been a consistent way to try and deflect and derail conversations where privileged people can't look past their own shortcomings.
WilliamUsher  +   231d ago
That's fine. But just remember that these folks have hands no cleaner than those they condemn.

http://i.imgur.com/EjLLvCE....

Real social justice don't need to doxx and threaten to kill 10 year olds.
kahjah  +   231d ago
I'm not sure what the context was with that picture but you're right no one should be doing that. In the context of this particular story. I think the idea of there being any corruption really seems a little silly in light of actual corruption that really matters. If someone got a better score on their game so what?

People champion causes that are close to them all the time. Being able to stand up for people who are actually being hurt isn't something folks should be rallying against.
gigoran  +   231d ago
Kotaku and their friends think that mocking us is going to end all this and make it just go away little by little. All it's doing is make us bigger, stronger, and angrier. The longer they push us the more it's going to hurt them when it comes to an end.

One of the latest tactics is contacting the companies and businesses that advertise on their sites and letting them know how they are being represented and what their audiences is being treated like. We have had several positive replies.
DefenderOfDoom2  +   231d ago
Okay , Gamers are going to compete with big VIDEO GAME PUBLISHERS who throw gifts and other perks at reviewers . // The best things us gamers can do, is do a lot of research on a game before you buy it! And do not, PRE-ORDER a game , just because of some cool trailer that you watched , unless you really , really want that game . I usually just PRE-ORDER 1 game a year.

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