Does Nintendo releasing yet another version of its popular 3DS handheld make any sense?
Well, sort of.
Even with all this said, I still really want one.
agreed. but then again I like variants so i would buy this no matter what. it also helps that my 3ds has a broken screen and i am in the market for a replacement. Now i can just wait until this one comes out.
Why is it so hard for nintendo to add a number to there console name? I mean seriously, it seems like nintendos #1 goal is to confuse the hell out of people. new 3ds? seriously? How long is that name going to be relevant for?
Why is it so hard for Microsoft to put their numbers in order.
Until we go 4D of course, sure it's a little confusing but if it's too hard work to read into something before you buy and can't decipher between the different versions then you prob should be going back to college first before you get into gaming, it's really not hard with a little browse and looking into it. Come on it's not the first time a console has been revised and will not be the last, xbox one will be next then ps4 (next years e3 no doubt)
because its not a new handheld, its an iteration of the 3DS. If people didnt get confused by DS, DS Lite, DS XL, DSi... they wont get confused by this. I think people here forget (or maybe they were too young), the Game Boy had some pretty huge revisions too, Gameboy->GameBoy Pocket->GameBoy Color. If anything, the GBA has been the only exception
Onilink See it's not a new model, it's a new system in which some games will now have to run exclusively for. It's basically beefed up a tad bit but now alienates former 3DS users. This is where the problem is looking to lie.
Can current 3DS games be played on the new 3ds redesign?
NukaCola Its not a new system, as far a we are concerned, maybe 2-3 games end up being exclusive. The N64 that included an expansion pack wasnt a new system. And there where games that couldnt be played without it. The DSi eshop games didnt make the DSi a new system, it was still a revision. The Color screen in the GameBoy Color, with games that would be impossible to play without seeing the colors, didnt make it a new system, it was still a revision. A 2x (maybe even less) increase in power, with the same OS, same format, same library do not make a new system. Want to know how much of an upgrade was there between the DS and 3DS? 32x the capacity. It might be a significant revision (which is perfectly fine by me), but its a revision nonetheless
@casp....it's NOT A NEW handheld, just a re-vision. Why can't you be intelligent enough to comprehend that?
Same here I've already upgraded, what's another (last time) for a superior version of an already fantastic console, hope they have some cool special editions in the near future think I'll hang around for one of them.
Same here, kind of glad I waited on the 3DS and brought a Vita instead now.
I would. New features, more buttons, analog nub for 3d games, better hardware on inside. And the biggy: Now I can plan Xenoblade Chronicles on the go....
I'd rather buy potato salad.
mustard, german or regular?
Tastas sounds like a mustard kind of dude.
I'll take some Amish Potato salad :-)
Its easy to make your own.
Yes and no. It's better hardware but it also fragments the people playing 3DS games. I think Nintendo has done this before so it probably won't be so bad in the long term.
I don't know why people keep saying this will fragment those playing 3DS games. It's still a 3DS. They're going to continue releasing 3DS games. The only games that won't be able to run on the older iterations hardware, are games that wouldn't be able to run on the old iterations hardware anyways. That's the advantage. Before we were limited to what games could come to the system. This opens the floodgates, as evidenced by Xenoblade Chronicles. So basically everything goes on as normal. Nintendo keeps releasing 3DS games, those games will be playable on any iteration of 3DS. The only difference is that those who have upgraded to the newest hardware, will have the added benefit of playing a few select games that would have never ran on the original hardware in the first place. There's almost 50,000,000 3DS owners out there. Developers aren't going to stop making their games playable on the older hardware. In fact, I doubt any third-party developers would even dare to bring a game to the new 3DS that can't run on the old hardware. They want their sales number. Nintendo, however, will probably be good for a select few games that will only run on the new iteration, but since those games could have never ran on the older hardware anyways, current 3DS owners are losing nothing. It's a game they never would've played anyways, because the system can't handle it. And I'm sure the games can be developed in a way similar to that of PC. So for games that can run on the original hardware, which will probably be over 95% of them, those games could have an ultra setting of sorts. That way those who have upgraded get the added benefit of better visuals and performance. But the games will still play normal for everyone else. So it's not really a fragmentation that will occur, just a segment of 3DS owners that will have the added benefit of playing a few games that everyone else can't- games that otherwise would have never come to the system anyways.
So basically since it is more powerful you have to buy this for those beefed games or else you're screwed? So will Nintendo gimp New3DS games so they run on older 3DS systems? Or will sheep follow and buy this slightly different version? You have to know this isn't about graphics which can easily work to adjust per 3DS you use. But processing power is different. Games of massive scale won't work. So say they put Borderlands 2 on New 3DS. It could visually work on any 3DS, but never actually run on old 3DS's just because the system does not have the processing power to do so.
If it means getting Xenoblade Chronicles on a handheld, I think I'll manage.
I want it
Hopefully they'll change the name like they did the 3DS LL to XL. Change it to 3DSi, Super 3DS, or 3DS+ to avoid consumer confusion
Did they not learn from the Wii/WiiU fiasco?
They're trying to appeal more to the hard core gamer with this, i think most look into what they're getting before they go out and buy it.
This model will eventually replace the current systems on sale and developers will just make games that support both systems. Nintendo will probably be the primary developer that makes exclusive titles for the more powerful 3ds here and there. But my guess is that the average developer will make games with both specs in mind but release the games in 1 sku. New 3ds owners will probably just download a day 1 patch to receive the added content and enhancements for the new system version.
I've stated this before but Nintendo, really go the extra mile you've always had and offer deals with the system until previous iterations are ceased or whatever. Approaching fall-winter so... Timing is essential.
Yes! Better system, better games, more possibilities and closer unifying the WiiU/3DS....who wouldn't think this is a good idea. You never see people complain when Sony or MS update their systems to preform better but if it's Nintendo, holy sh** call the police!.
"You never see people complain when Sony or MS update their systems to preform better but if it's Nintendo" Usually that happens with an update to current systems or with the PSP Sony didn't add more buttons or improve the specs did they. If Sony/Microsoft came out with a new verrsion of the Xbox One/PS4 where it had improved specs MEANING to play future games you would NEED to upgrade then there would be hell on. You talk like Nintendo gets the short end of the stick but really they get off really lightly with these things. The new 3DS is half way there to become a new generation handheld. It's not just a simple redesign.
The N3DS having exclusives shouldn't come into play until about a year from now. Maybe there's a reason they didn't show many 3DS games at E3. Since they didn't show NEW 3DS at E3 with game example hints there aren't many concrete games in development (ie in Beta) The timing isn't the best but going from PS3-4 or 360-X1 there were games that could've come to last gen but didn't, and this is the same way. The less you think of NEW DS has the next generation the less bad it sounds, because right now it's the same generation apart from Xenoblade Chronicles
It still preforms better, will have better games, better internet, better 3D (which I don't care for but at least I won't get an instant headache if it accidentally turns on), better battery life, things fans have been requesting since the original 3DS release. So what if it gets a few exclusive games, only big gamers will want them like Xenoblade and obviously the older 3DS won't be able to handle it. People complaining are acting like entitled brats. There is no possible way this is bad and it's not any worse than the confusion the 2DS made. Sure it's halfway to a new gen of handheld but Nintendo has made it clear their next system will be a home console that you can take on the go with no hassle and this is just a step in that direction. I'm willing to bet next E3 they will show off N3DS/WiiU compatibility bringing VC games&saves cross platform with a touch of a button.
"So what if it gets a few exclusive games, only big gamers will want them like Xenoblade and obviously the older 3DS won't be able to handle it." Not the point If they want to do upgraded things you would expect in a normal redesign fine but when you mess with the hardware it causes problems. It's something that should only be touched when you are entering a new generation. "People complaining are acting like entitled brats" LOL People are brats because they've paid for a 3DS and might not be able to play future games because they havent got the new version. What about if you've just recently bought a 3DS, you've managed to save up and buy one since you know not everyone is made of money, now they can't get a brand new game because they are making them upgrade for it. "but Nintendo has made it clear their next system will be a home console that you can take on the go with no hassle" There has been rumours...faint rumours but nothing Nintendo has said directly. If they want to do a brand new handheld then fantastic, they will go all the way and do everything better but don't go half way with a REDESIGN of an existing series. They seem like they don't want to loose the 3DS brand name but want to do a new handheld, that's how it's coming off.
"Nintendo gets the short end of the stick but really they get off really lightly..." Only the truly blind would say something like this as Nintendo have been getting sh*tt*d for the longest time. This is what a lot of the 3DS users have been asking for in case you chose to ignore it. Nintendo is finally providing something that has been asked from them since the unveiling of the 3DS. You know when certain fanboys were complaining about the 3DS back then. "What about if you've just recently bought a 3DS, you've managed to save up and buy one since you know not everyone is made of money..." What if someone bought a PS3 and then the PS4 released with no BC? OH NO!! I'm not made of money!! FREAK OUT! Lord forbid I trade my old 3DS at gamestop and then have to save up $250 all over again minus what ever Gamestop might take off. I love these "What If's" all you people throw out there to justify your insane reasoning. You act like from this day forward NO game will be compatible with the older version of the 3DS. Right now only couple of games have been announced that are exclusive to the New 3DS.
No there wouldn't. There would only be hell if those games could have ran on the older versions. But in the case of the new 3DS, the games in question are games that would have not been able to run on the current hardware. Xenoblade Chronicles is too demanding for the normal 3DS. And that's what you guys are failing to consider. This is not taking games away from the old 3DS and making them exclusive to the new 3DS, this is simply adding a few games for the new 3DS that would have otherwise never been playable. People complain that they want better hardware. People complain that Nintendo's hardware isn't with the times. People complained with the launch of the 2DS, they said Nintendo should have made an iteration expounding on features and added a second analog. But when Nintendo does this, people complain and say Nintendo should have left their hardware outdated. Providing better hardware to play games on is a good thing. This changes nothing for current 3DS owners. Games will continue to release for the 3DS and be playable on the 3DS. This is an optional upgrade for those who so desire, with the added benefit of accessing a few new games that were too processor heavy to run on the current hardware.
@gangsta_red "Only the truly blind would say something like this as Nintendo have been getting sh*tt*d for the longest time" No they haven't, your acting like this is Sony 2006 - 2009. Want to know why recently with the Wii U they've been getting called, because as soon as it launched it's been one silly decision after the next. This shit hasn't came out of nowhere, Nintendo created it themselves. "What if someone bought a PS3 and then the PS4 released with no BC? OH NO!! I'm not made of money!! FREAK OUT!" Unlike the 3DS though if Nintendo moved onto a new generation of handhelds Sony would and still is supporting the PS3. Just like they did with the PS2 when the PS3 came out. Remember the support Nintendo gave the Wii when the Wii U came out....oh yeah they didn't. "Lord forbid I trade my old 3DS at gamestop and then have to save up $250 all over again minus what ever Gamestop might take off." Jesus Christ stop being so selfish and think of people less fortunate then you. "Right now only couple of games have been announced that are exclusive to the New 3DS." Yeah and it's not even out yet, god knows how many more. @jholden3249 "adding a few games for the new 3DS that would have otherwise never been playable." Pretty sure if they've went through all the trouble with this it won't be a "few games". "People complain that they want better hardware. People complain that Nintendo's hardware isn't with the times." If they were with the times and knew we wanted better hardware they would of just announced a new handheld altogether The spinning people are trying to do with this is making me dizzy
With any luck Gamestop or Nintendo will let you trade-up for a reasonable deal. I feel bad for people who bought a 3DS XL recently, since they could've waited for the new version that's better in every way for the same price. Japan is in the worst spot since they're getting it in a few months where we have to wait. Nintendo has been making huge strides to boost confidence and support with things like reasonable DLC, listening to fans, stronger WiiU support. When Nintendo did the ambassador program with the 3DS price cut they showed they do care.
I'm sure GameStop will have an excellent trade-in program. I had the original 3ds model and when the 3DS XL launched over here, they gave me $100 toward my purchase. Of course I paid for the system up front, so I could take my new 3ds home to transfer the software over and the took the old 3ds back to GameStop to get my money.
My 3DS XL broke this week, so this is welcome news.
It's strange timing with the holidays coming and only Japan getting the new version this year. It may mean some don't buy a 3DS this holiday and wait instead.
just how much more powerful are the specs exactly is what i wanna know... i'll probably buy one if there'll be enough version exclusives
The specs are almost entirely the same. The only thing that is different is that the CPU is faster.
ram was improved as well 128 mb more main ram and more v ram. The cpu should help quite a bit though as cpu has been a limitation for handhelds, even the vita.
Xenoblade will probably be a good benchmark. The hardest part of it graphically is the draw distances and size of animals. Things would pop in but you could look for miles in a general direction.
Great Idea that will sell
The Biggest thing I don't like about this is the fact that they didn't change the name. They've stated that they want to focus on the core crowd this gen; a name change would have helped drive that point home even if it did retain the looks of an upgraded 3DS. The current name is not going to ruin the system, but it will make it harder to market. They should have gone with something like the Nintendo Twin Screen Ultra.( NTSU) Having said that...the thought of games like Mario Galaxy heading to a Nintendo handheld makes me smile, and the wait till next year gives me time to save up. All in all, I'm happy they're bringing a new hardware version out after 4 long years waiting for an upgrade. Indie games on it will have even more room to grow now, that's for sure. Here's hoping for a Shovel Knight sequel that takes advantage of all that newfound power! :-)
Here is the thing: It's just an upgraded 3DS. It's not a new handheld. They want to let people know that it's just a stronger revision. Changing the name completely would confuse people even more.
It's still an issue with marketing, though. The handheld can retain its shape without causing too much confusion, but if they don't change the name to more substantially reflect the upgrade to the stuff under its hood, consumers might just take a look at it, think "New buttons and nothing else", and skip it. A new name would convey the message that this IS a more powerful machine than the 3DS, and would make it easier to market it to people without having to explain that the word "new" in the name is referring to more than just the extra buttons. It's capable of running wii games, something the old 3DS could not do. For all intents and purposes, they COULD market it as a whole new system.
How is it not a new handheld? If it has exclusive games that can't be played on the other, it is a new system. It is basically a backwards compatible new system.
@IlovethePS4 It's a 3DS with extra buttons and a faster CPU. It's nothing more than that. It's not like you are going to see some giant leap. It's what the DSi was to the DS. The DSi was also improved in the hardware area and had exclusive games.
WHY! Why wont they put a second analog stick on that thing!
Well apparently they have to some big journalists...by that they mean that tiny little button in the most awkward place ever
After hearing this news, I grabbed my 3DS XL and tried to find another place that the "c-pad" could go that would still feel comfortable. Putting the c-pad too low would make it easy to loose grip on the system itself. Unlike a controller, the 3DS is a system and you're looking at it and holding it while playing it. Since the c-pad would require lots of motion, you could easily lose grip on your system if your hand wasn't also under the system to hold it. Putting the c-pad below the face buttons would be awkward, making holding the system asymmetrical and clunky. The only solution I can think of besides what Nintendo did is to move the face buttons down, but as many are accustomed to symmetry between the circle pad and face buttons (with two thumbs), that could be over-revising the interface.
It's just the gameboy color all over again. A big improvement bit still essentially the same. I think people are overreacting a bit with this news.
The handheld itself is a good idea, because it's cool to have these upgrades - C-stick, extra shoulder buttons, improved 3D viewing, etc. However, making retail games that are only compatible with this New 3DS is an awful, awful idea. This is pretty much a slap in the face to the more than 50 million people that bought a 3DS up to this point, myself included. So, you're saying that if I want to play Xenoblade Chronicles on the go, I have to buy this new 3DS, even though it's not really a true successor to the 3DS? Yeah, no. Go to hell, Nintendo, I'm not going to support you on this anti-consumer practice. I will have to stick to my Wii version of Xenoblade. :( I only hope that those games that are only compatible with this new 3DS are the exception rather than the rule.
I assume it's going to be like how the DSi was with the DS. There will be some exclusive games and features but most games will play on all models.
I knew I never wanted to buy a 3DS for some reason, but I never knew that reason was going to be Xenoblade. Even better, the addition of ZL and ZR increases by 9000 the probability of getting a Pikmin game on portable consoles. And overall, this thing offers a better experience than the normal 3DS does. I'm going to buy it because it's really a very good idea for me.
Enjoy it! This is more a slap to people that already own any of the previous 3DS. For someone who hasn't taken the plunge yet, this is awesome. I'm aware this is a matter of perspective. As a side note, I don't think Pikmin would benefit much from a handheld. That small screen isn't really the best option for a game series so visually saturated. Certainly not something like Pikmin 3. But hey, maybe Nintendo could make it work somehow.
Who says they wont change the name? We still do not have all the information. This is a 100% improvement. This is a great remodel. Everything else is sour grapes
...I'm getting a "Nintendo Fusion" vibe out of this. Really, the amount of buttons and other controls stack up to the WiiU.
...With far less power. This isn't Nintendo fusion. You're reading too far into this.
This is where the Nintendo fans go to extreme lengths to justify themselves being worse off.
A better model in every way is worse off? Nintendo knows the handheld market and what to do a whole lot better than you do.
Presumably you're delighted about having to buy a new 3DS just to play some exclusive games for it, when you already have a 3DS.
My only gripe with all this is the name. They REALLY need to change the name of this thing cause it will confuse normal people. They can call it the 3ds (XL) PLUS or something. I may get this after Smash bros destroys my current 3ds slider lol.
If you're a gamer, as in, your sole interest is in playing and enjoying fun games, then you have no reason to be criticizing this new 3DS. If you're someone who actually enjoys playing games and not just talking about them, then you should be really excited right now. Because Nintendo is now making it possible to play the greatest RPG of the seventh generation on a handheld, with built in second analog C stick, more powerful hardware, extra shoulder buttons, microSD slot, better 3-D viewing angles, faster download speeds (which will work wonders for Miiverse), NFC integration, bigger screens, less blur, longer battery life, and customizable lids. You can always tell the gamers by those who actually get excited for better gaming experiences and announcements of great games.
They need a different name imo. The New 3DS is to similar to 3DS. I fear it may run into the same problem when they went from Wii to WiiU. I actually like the New 3DS and plan to pick one up once it comes out in the States.
I think it was, I think it was completely unnecessary to release this so soon and it is slap in the face to everyone who bought the XL or has bought a 3DS recently. I get sick of Nintendo doing this. I was really bothered by this news when I read it, on top of announcing an exclusive game for it basically forcing anyone who wants to play it needing to buy this new 3DS when it is still basically another 3DS and not even a completely new handheld. Just the idea of that sounds insane, selling exclusives games to a handheld that isn't actually new. If that were the case and it was an entirely new handheld by them I would have no problem with any of this but it isn't. I mean who does this? Upgrading hardware in the same system? These aren't PC's. Yea that will make everyone who bought the 3DS before this happy, especially people with limited edition 3DS's or 3DS XL's. Why couldn't they have waited and just made an entirely new handheld instead of releasing half of one? I mean how long will this one last before they actually do release a new handheld that isn't the 3DS anymore... It makes me question even wasting money on this only to have another one thrown in my face months later. They said they wouldn't do this with the 3DS during E3 when it launched and then we see the XL months later and now this. It isn't that I dislike the improvements, hell they improved almost everything I have been begging them to for a long while now besides the screen res with the 3DS but at the same time it should have been in a completely new handheld by them, not just a upgraded revision. It just isn't right, I know a lot of people won't care but it is anti-consumer trying to get people to buy the same product over and over again. That has very little improvements. What sucks is the more people buy into this, the more people will keep taking advantage of it. What is next a slightly upgraded Wii U? I mean seriously.
Its a bad idea.