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Submitted by kirkules 18d ago | opinion piece

GTA V Puts InFamous: Second Son To Shame

When GTA V was first announced, Rockstar shied away from mentioning a potential release on the new consoles, instead saying the game would ‘feel’ next-gen. Back then, it felt like marketing spiel. It turns out it wasn’t – almost a year on, GTA V is still the most technically impressive open-world game . Even without the upcoming remaster, GTA V puts InFamous: Second Son - the most advanced open-world game on the new generation consoles – to shame. How many PlayStation 4 games have you seen where the character’s flip-flops actually flop, its characters visibly sweat when they’re running, and hair grows over time?

InFamous: Second Son, beyond the glitz of the rain-soaked streets and the dazzling particle effects, doesn’t do anything new. There’s more to a new generation than extra stuff happening on the screen and better reflections. A new generation should bring new experiences, new features. Yet InFamous is missing features we’ve come to expect from open-world games over the last decade. (Grand Theft Auto V, inFamous: Second Son, PC, PS3, PS4, Xbox 360, Xbox One)

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gaminglives  +   18d ago | Well said
Perhaps I'm missing the point, but surely all of GTA V's advancements are ridiculously simple flags within the coding? As a veteran coder, I know that all that's required is to trigger a sample as the foot hits the floor plane. The sweat is also a simple trigger - if character speed > x then alter texture by overlaying sweat. Same for the hair - if time played > x then alter hair texture.

For me, advancements need to be more than if statements and triggers. It should be about handling, responsiveness and, to a certain degree, those particle physics becoming realistic enough that you don't pay much attention to them when they're there because they blend seamlessly with the scenario but powerful enough that you'd notice if they were gone.

Just an opinion, of course.
XB1_PS4  +   18d ago
It's more about having hundreds of thousands of If/Then statements that bring the world alive. They talk about NPC intelligence and variety as well. From playing tennis to hiking on mt. Chiliad. GTA V felt alive.
Bloodborn  +   18d ago
Article is still clickbait though. Comparing a game that was in development for 5+ years with one that was more or less "rushed out" in 2 years is kinda dumb. Of course GTAT5 has a more 'alive' world (it's the foundation of this series) but still I can imagine that Infamous will look better graphically than the GTA Remaster on PS4.
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sonarus  +   18d ago
yea gta 5 also cost close to $300 to develop. I seriously seriously doubt Infamous is anywhere close to that. Also took 5 years to develop, doubt infamous is 5 years as well. Common sense tells you more money, more time and larger dev team will equal more attention to detail.
I don't care though because i get to play both games on my ps4. I am glad i didnt play gta5 on ps3 so i can experience it for the first time in its next gen glory
abzdiine  +   18d ago | Well said
People who compare GTA to Infamous really dont understand anything.
Infamous is about the feeling of being overpowered and you can really feel that while playing the game.
GTA on the other hand focuses a lot on the human nature of a character, which requires much more life than infamous does.
I think infamous in a world as rich and alive as GTA's would be pretty much a waste of time for developers.

We are talking two completely different types of games here, a bit like saying Mario Kart puts Gran Turismo to shame. One plays on realism the other on the fun.
UltraNova  +   18d ago
GTA is about open world mindless fun its what they do, its what defines the franchise and of course 300 devs, 5 + years in development and an unlimited budget later it is what it is today, the standard in open world.

Comparing it with Infamous which is all about super powers and story (somewhat)is unfair. I dont even have to mention budgets, dev time and man power at Sucker Punch.

When the next Prototype comes out (doubt it) then we can compare like for like.
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Traceskipper  +   18d ago
I think Watchdogs and GTA V would be the better comparison. BTW i couldnt play WD after about hour. I just think it totally sucks. I guess there goes 90 bucks down the drain.
SilentNegotiator  +   18d ago
Unless they added a BUNCH of awesome particle effects, there's no way the game feels as next gen as Second Son.
Septic  +   18d ago
@Silent

"Unless they added a BUNCH of awesome particle effects, there's no way the game feels as next gen as Second Son."

Yeah because particle effects make a game feel next gen :/
SilentNegotiator  +   18d ago
@Septic

Because so many last gen games had particle effects and those that did weren't much less impressive. The better measure is who has more cars driving around. /s
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Supporter  +   18d ago
@gaminglives...

Way to over simplify.

Its like saying a fireworks show is just basically connecting a wire to a battery.

I don't think a "veteran coder" or a very good one would say what you said...
BX81  +   18d ago
Yeah gta was more impressive in my opinion. Infamous ss was pretty but the world felt empty. Gta's city felt alive, plus add in all the stuff you can do,
Dee_91  +   18d ago
well to be fair... gta v puts just about every other game to shame in the way they are comparing..
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afterMoth  +   18d ago
GTA V has a beautiful world that is wasted to poor game play mechanics. It is very impressive how well they created such an immerse-full world.

Infamous SS has great game play mechanics wasted with repetitive level designs and missions. The environments are beautiful to look at but it is a short lived experienced due to lack of interesting things to do.
ThanatosDMC  +   18d ago
I'm surprised they didnt compare it to Ryse.
guitarded77  +   18d ago
Click bait indeed. I enjoyed both games thoroughly. Both are fine examples of open world games.
ShinMaster  +   18d ago
And GTAV has been in development for how many years now?
inveni0  +   18d ago
@supporter

He wasn't oversimplifying. I've been coding for 23 years. Those little tweaks are things you add when you have 5 years to work on a project.

I guarantee you, if Sucker Punch had had the time, Delsin's shoe laces would have come untied while playing, and he'd bend over and tie them back if you stood still long enough.

But the characters in GTA5 don't actually sweat. Those aren't dynamic particles on their faces. And the shoes flopping? I'd rather have a jacket realistically flutter in the wind, or a chain wrapped around the character's wrist that looks super real, even up close in Photo Mode.

What you see in GTA5 are tricks developers added in to a last-gen game to make it feel as if it's bridging the gap to next(current)-gen. What Sucker Punch has done is start off a generation with graphics that look better than any other current-gen game. Let's give the devs some time to get their engines running smoothly so they can start worrying about whether or not a character sweats.
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G20WLY  +   18d ago
I don't think you're missing the point, I agree. Additionally, if you must compare two completely different games, then compare their respective budgets, available resources, development time, heck even target audience.

Both games are awesome, but this comparison is skewed for the sake of controversy and, ultimately, hits. Get both games and enjoy them for what they are.
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AndrewLB  +   18d ago
The two games are being compared because they're both open world and attempt to replicate a living, breathing city to make it as true-to-life as possible. The notion of handicapping a game because it lacked budget or development time is just stupid. Just be honest and stop circling the wagons every time someone says something critical about anything and everything associated with the PS4. The end product is all that matters since both games cost the same for consumers.
G20WLY  +   18d ago
^lol, easy tiger, keep it calm!

You make some valid points, shame about the interwoven personal attacks. I'm just saying that there needs to be a clear understanding of all factors - a sense of perspective - if you're going to compare games.

I also find it a jarring comparison:

Infamous, Prototype & Crackdown <-Similar aims.
GTA, Saints Row - even Sleeping Dogs <-go compare.
Halo, Killzone & Crysis <- Knock yourself out.

Finally, anyone caring to check our comment histories can see which of us has an agenda (hint: it ain't me)!
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ltachiUchiha  +   18d ago
AndrewLB

U make it sound like Infamous SS wasn't a good game. So u wouldn't mind if we compared crackdown 2 to GTA V? Crackdown 2 look like a wii game if u want to compare it to GTA V lol.

G20WLY

I agree mate, good n valid points in your comparisons of games that should be compared to each other.
InTheZoneAC  +   18d ago
so you're hating on a game that that already feels more alive than most other games?

you're basically just pointing out how things work for no other reason than to try to hate on this game?

maybe they should go back to sprites so you don't have any argument, regardless of how good or bad the game is...
gaminglives  +   18d ago
Where have I hated on anything? You're being a tad oversensitive just because someone dared to point out how coding works, don't you think? There's absolutely no hate there.
InTheZoneAC  +   18d ago
to gaming

who cares how coding works?

as long as the game is better than others, who really cares?
UnwanteDreams  +   18d ago
I think all the points they discuss are valid. I find it hard to agree with a person who thinks "who cares?" is an intelligent arguement.
ShinMaster  +   18d ago
I don't see any hate in his comment.
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Emrage  +   18d ago
if they made like 1000 if statement for this they must be really bad
quenomamen  +   18d ago
Its not really about the coding, its about taking enough time as a developer to put those little things in the game, the small details are what set games like GTA apart from the rest.
And as far as open world games goes not many go that extra step like Rockstar.
BallsEye  +   18d ago
It's not that simple and as a veteran coder, you should know it. Sure I can add a lot of dependencies but those dependencies have to work with other stuff together, and not make the whole game lag because of lack of memory or mess in a code. If it would be as easy as you say, we'd have already a fully simulated life in games. Another armchair dev on n4g.
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frostypants  +   18d ago
Exactly...GTA V adds NOTHING of substance over the original GTA III. I consider GTA V to be my worst game purchase in years. It's just a re-hash. GTA has become the Madden of sandbox games. A few silly graphics details change nothing. This article is a joke.

Note: I haven't played Infamous SS. I just know that GTA V is not remotely innovative on any front.
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3-4-5  +   18d ago
I may be alone in this thinking but:.....

* I'm so OVER this overrated game. It had it's chance, time to move on.

I get the appeal for those who haven't played it yet, but if you have yet to play it DO NOT get hyped up on it.

It's FAR WORSE in about 10-15 areas than GTA 4 was, and only barely improves a few things.

* Biggest waste of money ever IMO
Evilsnuggle  +   18d ago
Maybe the fact that GTA 5 has a budget 10x more than infamous second son. just might have something to do with that. GTA 5 cost over 250 million to make
u got owned  +   17d ago
So now budget defines how good is a game. Ok...
starchild  +   18d ago
I'm sorry, but your comment seriously draws into question whether you are actually a coder. Your comment is silly. That's not how it works.
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edonus  +   18d ago
The most impressive open world game to me thus far is Dead Rising 3. Pretty much all the building are accessible, it has no loading from building to building and its a fully populated world. Not Infamous Watchdogs or GTAV is as full as DR3.
Seeing 1000 zombies on screen at once is a jarring thing and one of those gaming moments that dont come around all the time. The only thing I was really impressed with in Infamous SS was the particle effects, everything else was typical and quiet as kept I like Fetch as a main character more than Delsin by far.

I didnt by GTAV last gen because I knew it would be coming for this gen, but I am serious about pulling my support for all of these remasters.
Provolone24  +   18d ago
This comparison doesn't even make sense. If anything, shouldn't we be talking about how GTAV puts Watch Dogs to shame since they're much more similar?
Volkama  +   17d ago
Depends, which game do you consider to be the front runner in next gen open worlds? The best one makes most sense for a comparison of this nature.
geddesmond  +   18d ago
I don't see why anyone would compare GTAV with any other game out there. It's a game alone in its very own genre and I'm not talking sandbox, crime or whatever genre people call it. I'm talking about completely awesome genre.

Infamous isn't about going around doing side quests or driving cars, buying apartments or robbing banks. It's a superhero story told in a sandbox world and it told that story very well with amazing visuals. Those particle effects and atmosphere settings are amazing.

I suppose the only reason to compare GTAV with it is that its graphics are so good it's the only competition GTAV next gen has.
ITPython  +   18d ago
Visually I seriously doubt a multiplat crossgen game will come even remotely close to Infamous Second Son. ISS is still the visual leader this-gen, that probably won't change until the next Uncharted comes out.

Anybody remember this thread? - http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

For any doubters about ISS being the visual standard thus far this gen, that thread will make you a believer. After a few pages you will see some real gems.

The insane amount of detail that SP put into the game is absolutely astounding. You can even see individual, and unique, rust spots on his chain when zoomed in. And even the buttons on the back of his jacket are fully detailed buttons.

Here is a few example pics I took with the screenshot mode:

Chain detail - http://i.imgur.com/ShEiMAy....
Button detail - http://i.imgur.com/jeLAIo9....
And just a random shot of a building, which looks amazing - http://i.imgur.com/CzC1MCJ....
Another neat shot I took - http://i.imgur.com/APdceNf....

I will not argue that GTA5 has a more alive city, and has more things to do than ISS, but that is the whole point of a GTA game, whereas ISS was all about the powers, superhero-gameplay and extremely detailed eye catching visuals.
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Lou Ferrigno  +   18d ago
mmmm, those are some gorgeous sreenshots man.. InSS is definitely in a genre all by itself, GTA doesn't even compare.
mediate-this  +   17d ago
Thats a new gen games vs a old gen game, so yeah gta does hold a candle agaisnt iss
C-H-E-F  +   18d ago
You do realize as a fellow game/app creator myself that everything within your game/app will involves tons of switch cases and if statements even your "particle" system? lOl. Stop just stop.
xx4xx  +   18d ago
Nobody was talking about Infamous a month after release. Each GTA is always the biggest release of the year.

'Nuff said.
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mediate-this  +   17d ago
You advance code in your mothers basement? I need proof to believe you. And imagine what rockstar is capable on ps4 vs ps3, the detail in their games are rivaled to only N.D on consoles.
gaminglives  +   17d ago
I don't believe they have basements in flats... the headspace would be far too restrictive. Next time I visit, I'll lift some floor boards and have a look.
Soc5  +   17d ago
Being a veteran coder as you say, and if adding these little touches is so simple, then you must be craving new experiences as much or even more than I do. Far from even having these simple little touches added to games, gaming now has devolved into simplistic repetitive rinse wash and repeat gameplay. If the coding for these details is so simple, then why don't we see more of it? I am losing the love of gaming because we have so few truly creative games out there, the clones of fps shooters are what rule and the stimulus from those games is so low. Look at that, shoot it, look at that shoot that, over and over and over. Even gta5 had the same basic gameplay over and over, shoot those guys, shoot these guys. And that's it. How can this be enough for us? Just shooting things over and over. It's getting freaking old. How about new stories? New gameplay ideas? New AI? New ways of interacting with the game? We are capable of building amazing worlds and creating interesting stories lets grow beyond just shooting things over and over and over.
gaminglives  +   17d ago
I don't really crave any new experiences with gaming anymore, to be honest. I'm far too jaded with it all. Have been gaming since I was eleven years old, so thirty-one years now... and it's just all so formulaic, to the point where I gave up on excitement a long time ago. Sadly. I doubt that excitement will ever return.
Lukas_Japonicus  +   18d ago
Stupid comparison. The only things these games have in common is their open worlds.

Infamous SS is a superhero (or villain) game that is set in an open-world, whereas GTA is a thoroughbred open-world game, meant to portray real-life as accurately as possible (in terms of detail/authenticity) given the hardware. Of course GTA is going to have the most attention to detail and little authentic touches. GTA depends on it's world (it's commonly said that the biggest star of a GTA game is the world itself). Infamous doesn't.

That said...I think GTA V is the better game by a country mile :P
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Neixus  +   18d ago
agreed

and for the record, all other websites put this one's scrolling function to shame.
Outthink_The_Room  +   18d ago
No, it's not a stupid comparison.

Rockstar during their interviews said they would build a living, breathing representation of Los Santos (referring to Los Angeles).

Sucker Punch during interviews said they would build a living, breathing Seattle.

Trying to make an excuse for why InFamous feels shallow compared to GTA V is a weak argument. They both marketed their gameworlds as living, breathing representations of their counterparts.

And to say that Sucker Punch didn't try to sell their world as an authentic Seattle is a straight lie. They went around and got the OK from businesses to use their likeness in the game.

So don't try to make excuses and play damage control here. They marketed the game as a breathing Seattle. They need to live up to that marketing they threw at us.
FullmetalRoyale  +   18d ago
You had me until the accusation of "damage control". Why can't people just make their points without trying to discredit others.

I agreed with his post, then when I started reading yours I thought "this guy makes sense too". You almost had a positive contribution to a discussion. Almost.

Anyway, you both have valid points. Infamous did in fact feel shallow to me. Gameplay was a lot of fun, but enemies were lacking. Specifically the lack of variety.

The world of Grand Theft Auto V is greatly realized. Now of course it is fair to balance in budget, time, abilities(rockstar basically owning the genre), and goals for what the game is. At the end of the day though, the fact of the matter is GTAV's world was significantly better than Second Son's.

I'm not sure there is a POINT in comparing games at all, much less these two particular ones. But I had a blast with both, and was also disappointed by both, for different reasons.
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Big_Game_Hunters  +   18d ago
Very well said. There is way too much damage control that goes on around here.
Back-to-Back  +   18d ago
"That said...I think GTA V is the more overrated game by a country mile"

Fixed
Septic  +   18d ago
As an open world game, there is no comparison. GTA 5 totally eclipses Infamous: Second Son's open world, which feels completely barren and hollow compared to the former game. From pedestrians, to scale, down even to details within the world, Infamous does't come close. Comparing it to GTA5 aside, I was still unimpressed with the open world in Infamous Second Son.
Muerte2494  +   18d ago
Rockstar north has more resources at their disposal than sucker punch.GTA 5 had one of the biggest budgets also.
Septic  +   18d ago
Yeah I'm not denying that at all. I'm just stating my opinion on the matter. Regardless of its significantly lower development budget, I wasn't all that impressed with Infamous:SS and the game world at all.
starchild  +   18d ago
Why do you guys do this? Every time any Sony game or console is compared to something else you make excuses and throw out all kinds of arbitrary conditions that supposedly must be fulfilled in order to compare them.

I like Infamous Second Son. I beat it and bought First Light as well. But why does it matter what the budgets are? Why can't somebody simply give their opinion that they liked GTA5 more or that GTA5 is a more advanced simulation or whatever?

Sure, in a certain context some of those things would be relevant. But not when you are making a simple statement about which game does which things better.
Audiggity  +   18d ago
So?

Should review scores start factoring in budget/time/resources?

If so, Call of Duty would score a 0.5/10 every year because it's one guy hitting "Copy" and then "Paste".

On the flipside, indie developers have very small budgets and crank out some very high quality games on platforms like Greenlight.
Sheikh Yerbouti  +   18d ago
Two of my most favorite IPs beset against each other. Two games I bought for entirely different experiences.

Watch Dogs would be a better candidate for comparison, as open world is the only thing that ties the two games together. I'd say inFamous is story driven experience. Watch Dogs and GTA are sandbox games, whose story is based on your own exploration.

The depth GTA allows one to explore is impressive, but superfluous at the same time. Although being able to enter buildings, having complicated backstories for in game characters, own a garage full of car, having my own pets, etc. are cool, some of these are things I may never see or spend time with. inFamous is not going for that experience..it's trying to tell a superhero story.

Based on both graphics and gameplay, inFamous is still the better game imho.
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UltraNova  +   18d ago
Dude comparing anything against GTA V is unfair but Watchdogs? You hit below the belt man! The game is boring as hell...
Sheikh Yerbouti  +   18d ago
Would Red Dead be better...? Or Saint's Row? Or Far Cry? Still those games are doing something totally different than inFamous; instead thee games are in the same vein as GTA.

All my disagrees can disagree again twice over, I know I'm right. Both awesome franchises, inFamous just happens to be more my game.
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UltraNova  +   17d ago
Saints Row is more fitting yes, red dead is from the same studio it doesn't count.

IMO nothing compares to GTA favourably.

Infamous is a great game I agree I prefer super powers and all but its game world is sterile and somewhat boring after you complete the game, thats in stark contrast to GTA when the fun begins after the main story.

Sucker Punch needs to put at least a years worth of little touches and stuff to do after their storylines for me to even consider comparing an Infamous game to any GTA...

My honest opinion.
Sheikh Yerbouti  +   15d ago
Did you find the same to be true with Arkham Asylum, Assassin's Creed, etc. Because those are games to which inFamous is compared.

And the same studio that made a good game can make a bad one, so I'd compare Red Dead and GTA before thinking about inFamous, regardless.

Bottom line, two totally different games. And that's not up to anyone's opinion.
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GUTZnPAPERCUTZ  +   18d ago
You are right, but Sony fanboys say you are wrong :/ lol
Silly gameAr  +   18d ago
Always has to be about "Sony fanboys" with you guys.
Big_Game_Hunters  +   18d ago
@sillygamear. Who else would be blindly defending infamous. The microsoft fanboys?
joeorc  +   18d ago
But also think about it , would many people be out on the street knowing there is supers out there with those kind of powers? Esp. If there is quite a number of the super powered thugs running the streets?

Despite what many think , quite a number of people would not even be trying to stay in the city with how dangerous it would be. To easy to get killed, with powers these thugs may have.

Lets not even point out the heavy weapons, or what boils down to a mutant registration act!

Something GTA5 does not have.
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DoctorJones  +   18d ago
What?
gangsta_red  +   18d ago
Also the fact that SS is on a next gen system that has been repeatedly told to us has all this extra power should have really helped bring that city alive.

GTA V which is not only for the last gen PS3 but also a MULTI PLAT game felt more alive and also had way more missions, characters and just all around more things to do no matter how mundane some of them were.
DigitalRaptor  +   18d ago
Rockstar also has several times the budget that Sucker Punch had with Second Son. It's pretty obvious that after 7+ years of code optimisation, Rockstar were able to push console hardware to its limits and make their most ambitious game. Second Son is only a first generation PS4 game.

Also in relation to the kinds of games both of these are, do people really expect a superhero game to be able to compete on the same level as an open-world game with completely different design goals? A console's power doesn't particularly dictate a developer's design goals. That is up to them.
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Audiggity  +   18d ago
Agreed. There is literally no comparison to GTAV aside from GTAIV.

People can throw opinions at this as much as you want, talk about how much budget/time they had, explain why other open world games weren't really trying to be open world... etc. But, GTAV is the benchmark by a very wide margin.

If we added Skyrim into the mix, that could hold its own. But the list is very short.
maxcoronel  +   18d ago
Dumb comparison. The real shame goes to "Watch_Dogs", wich adds nothing new to the formula and feels like a real generic sandbox. And I remember it mocking about GTA V as part of its publicity. Thats the real shame.
starchild  +   18d ago
Nothing new? Nonsense. I've never experienced anything like Watch Dog's hacking and stealth mechanics in an open world game before. Some of the dynamic gameplay scenarios that resulted genuinely felt fresh. At least, as fresh as anything can feel. There's nothing truly new under the sun. NO game can escape comparisons to other games.

What did Infamous Second Son do that is truly innovative or new?

Why are you trying to divert attention away from the Infamous SS/GTAV comparison and bring Watch Dogs into the discussion just so you can hate on it?
generic-user-name  +   18d ago
Maxcoronel is right, Watch Dogs is a much better match up to GTAV than inFamous.

inFamous would be better compared to a Tony Hawks game.
zsquaresoff  +   18d ago
The writer of this article is a dumbass.

Better comparison would've been with Watch Dogs. But gotta show that fanboy stupidity somehow.
elda  +   18d ago
Agreed.
Septic  +   18d ago
So the writer has an opinion you disagree with and you call him a dumbass? Right. Even if the comparison should have been better with Watch Dogs (which I agree it would), does it really justify you lot insulting him?

" But gotta show that fanboy stupidity somehow."

Yeah about that...
modesign  +   18d ago
septic was dumb enough to fall for this clickbait article. opinion or not, this is a article piece from this so called "journalists", anyone with a computer can be a "videogame journalists" nowadays.
Septic  +   18d ago
"anyone with a computer can be a "videogame journalists" nowadays."

Yeah and anyone with a computer can be a tough guy and call someone a dumbass without getting punched in the face like they probably would in real life.
ILive  +   18d ago
Come on, Septic , it is quite a stupid article. I agree it doesn't warrant name calling, but these So called gaming joutnalist derserve it sometimes for what they call "opinion piece."
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ILive  +   18d ago
c Double post
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UnwanteDreams  +   18d ago
I am surprised you are defending this crap. You know its click bait.
Septic  +   18d ago
Yeah fair enough if its click bait, but the way this chap responded is just sad. I actually agree with the author on his points though. He did mention Watchdogs as well.

I wouldn't have an issue at all if the chap completely ripped apart the article's contents but that kind of name calling just serves to make him look pathetic.

If you think that kind of response is justified then that's your opinion. I disagree obviously.
Spotie  +   18d ago
See, it's defending stuff like this that makes some call you a fanboy.

Simply put: there's nothing else that ties the two games together, save for the fact that both are open-world. Unfortunately for you and the article author, that's not enough to compare them.

Just because it's an opinion does not mean it's excused for being stupid, or based on poor or limited information.
Septic  +   18d ago
"Just because it's an opinion does not mean it's excused for being stupid, or based on poor or limited information."

And where did I say it was exempt from being critiqued as such?

"Simply put: there's nothing else that ties the two games together, save for the fact that both are open-world."

Yeah and the open world is what the author and I are talking about. Furthermore, I even clarified that Infamous, without the comparison to GTA 5 and its open world, still has a lackluster sandbox setting. It doesn't hold its own at all, especially for a so-called next-gen game.
gangsta_red  +   18d ago
Septic,

This article is dumb because he prefers GTA V over Infamous.

How is Watch Dogs any different from GTA compared to Infamous? Watch Dogs is also a multi plat game across not only current gen but also last gen, so how is that a fair comparison? Because Watch Dogs doesn't easily win against Infamous so that game is ok to compare, right?

It's come to the point where anyone who states their opinion against the majority is now accused of CLICKBAIT. I'm sure if the opinion was revered you all would be celebrating.

As usual style for most on here, please don't compare a Sony game to another and declare the other better. Even though both games are open world, both devs stated they wanted their world to feel alive, and Infamous should have topped the other by miles since not only is it an exclusive but made for a next gen system, but it didn't and the author pointed his reasons why. Of course that's not good enough.

It's not like this is an Xbox website crapping all over Infamous and declaring a multiplat a clear winner. Unlike another article from a PS website that most commenting here had no problems with.

But yea, let's rag on Septic and not ask Zsquarsoff to expand on his statement. Why is the author a dumba$$, why should WatchDogs be compared and not GTA, why is it clickbait, what makes a story NOT clickbait? Should we have no opinion pieces anymore? Should every story on N4G from now on praise every single game or face backlash from bitter fans from Sony, MS and Nintendo?

Naaaw, that's too much work. Let's just call it clickbait and move on.
Consoleslateagain  +   18d ago
its maybe because people act like infamous is the holy grail of open world games. watch dogs was a dud and infamous is an open world game to that is suppose to have a living city like gtav hence the comparison. ps fanboys gets defensive about everything that make their sony not look like gods gift. its just a simple harmless comparison.
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ILive  +   18d ago
Gangsta Red,no one is saying that no one can have an opinion piece anymore. But if you are gonna have one,do it right. Infamous and gtav, though they are both open world games, should not be compared. Infamous has a different style to it, different approach. While GTA v also has its style and approach. Both completely different. Why? Well, maybe both developers had different a vision on what they wanted.

@console If anything, GTA v is considered the holy grail of open world. I don't get it, the argument that the open world of infamous didn't feel lively. I didn't even notice it as I was busy enjoying it. You just can't compare the two games.
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ChiTownDoc  +   18d ago
Flip flops flop and characters sweat....but I still didn't give a crap about the story.
Brim  +   18d ago
You're right because Infamous had one of the best stories of all time ....
UnwanteDreams  +   18d ago
I thought GTA5 was great for a while then the city gets old stale and boring. All that polish all the mini games are a distraction from how boring the missions and gameplay are. GTA5 is a go fetch game.
HeavenlySnipes  +   18d ago
The GTA games have some of the biggest budgets of all time and this one in particular was in development for 5 years
Father__Merrin  +   18d ago
dumb comparison, both completely different style of open world games....

best thing is both are on ps4 ;-)
Jaqen_Hghar  +   18d ago
and GTA is best on PS4 just like every other multiplat :)
Biozerker  +   18d ago
GTA is best on PC* just like every other multiplat.:)

There you go m8, fixed your misplaced arrogance for you.
BitbyDeath  +   18d ago
That's great next lets do a comparison of Mortal Kombat vs Pacman.

Pacman just has a simple chomping motion yet with Scorpion I can pull off all sorts of combos, clearly MK wins. Flawless victory.
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incendy35  +   18d ago
It does indeed
Clown_Syndr0me  +   18d ago
Since when does GTA V characters hair grow with time? Never noticed that and I played it alot.
As for Second Son that game is mediocre at best.
windblowsagain  +   18d ago
I haven't played GTA5 and the reason is 4 was rubbish. Ran like crap on PS3/360/PC.

All GTA game seem to be is thugs and I prefer to smackdown thug like people.

Watchdogs was better for me because of the story and the different ways of completing missions. Was good fun.

Infamous is a completely different game, you don't drive for starters. It's a super power game.

And i'd take killzone sf MP over COD all day long.

I might try GTA5 one day. But if it's anything like 4 then i'll pass.
BitbyDeath  +   18d ago
It is nothing like 4. I hated 4, never bothered to complete it cause it was just so crap, dull environments, boring characters and awful gameplay.

5 is like the best parts of Vice City and San Andreas combined into one awesome game, the only downfall is the music/radio stations aren't that great.

But otherwise it is definitely worth playing.
noctis_lumia  +   18d ago
true 4 was utter crap but dont agree for the rest
san andreas is way better in terms of gameplay for me
MegadethAndy  +   18d ago
It seems like GTA has become a give and take franchise.

In Vice City you could enter your bought properties. You could beat down other crims the cops are chasing and get a citizens award.
San Andreas had many RPG elements.
GTAIV had good vehicle handling and physics.
GTAV sacrificed the best of that but added a stock exchange, police line of sight huge map etc.

I wish they had just kept the best of each one and added more, but that doesn't seem to be the case. At least it's not as bad as what Call Of Duty Does though.
DefenderOfDoom2  +   18d ago
I prefer KILLZONE MP PvP over COD MP PvP also . I would love to see a heavy armor PvP mode in the next COD , only because COD plays more like a hide n seek, i gotcha game ! I would rather shoot some player from behind and not kill him with a couple of bullets so other player has a chance to get me . I would rather shoot the player , than chase the person down and i would have shoot a lot of rounds, in the player to get a kill . I think all the fun in FPS, PvP is chasing each other ! That is why, i am buying DESTINY, because when i was playing the DESTINY BETA . i felt like their was a lot of chasing , not just one shot kills all the time!
noctis_lumia  +   18d ago
we dont give a dam if it looks better or not
both are good games

still graphics dont make a game...example ?
gta san andreas ----> gta 5 easily
ColeMacGrath  +   18d ago
Good luck getting super powers in GTA 5. Oh wait...
Consoleslateagain  +   18d ago
dont worry most likely it will have it on pc.
TransientDreamer  +   18d ago
What in the blue hell does one have to do with the other?
T2X  +   18d ago
Actually, GTAV remastered will blow doors off of most other games IMO. The reason is simple. Just look at the scale of the world and all that is going on in it. The PS3 version looked pretty good, but the re-release looks set to be insane.
Skankinruby  +   18d ago
Sorry but GTA 5 is overrated trash. I haven't played second son yet but I've heard nothing but good things about it. The only impressive thing about GTA 5 is how well it sold. I don't care if you can operate a plane or blimp or submarine if in the end you're not accomplishing much. It had no substance and no real reason at all to even finish it. Every critic that praised that nonsense avoided talking about the actual game and just focused on the detailed layout of los Santos because there isn't much to praise about anything else. More than likely infamous' single player will wipe the floor with GTA.
ape007  +   17d ago
LMAO
Harpers_Ferry  +   18d ago
I thoroughly enjoyed both games, but this comparison is odd and really seems forced. GTA and Infamous may both be open world games, but they are trying to do very different things. The point of Infamous is to tell a super-hero story, and let you enjoy the powers of the character. GTA, on the other hand, first and foremost builds a living world to set it's characters and crime story in. While Infamous could certainly use a livelier, more detail-intensive city, it certainly isn't the priority.

A more apt comparison would be Watchdogs, as that is a game which makes the city a major part of the game, yet is severely lacking in that very department.
hiawa23  +   18d ago
This comparison is ridiculous given the time, money, resources that went into GTA
RevXM  +   18d ago
GTA V is impressive in many ways,but I am not sure why it has to be compared to InFamous:SS.

I guess it is the lack of "open world" games this far on next gen.
If I were to compare Infamous to anything it would be to Rocksteady's Batman. They are in the same genre more or less.
I suppose we are to compare MGSV to GTAV any moment as well.

GTA doesn't have a lot of competition the closest real competition would be Saints row I guess and it is the only other title I can think of that is anything like GTA. Not sure Mafia 1-2 or Sleeping dogs fit in the same genre really, but they are more comparable IP's to GTA than than Batman, Infamous or Metal gear.
Tito08  +   18d ago
A more obvious comparison would have being Watchdogs, but it seems in order to hit a nerve and get clicks, he had to use inFamous, they're looking into writing nonsense these days for the sake of clicks, that's the kind of writers the Forbes writer was talking about, these opinion-based articles are becoming more evident and ridiculous, journaism is a joke these days, even they come with fake reports out of nowhere.
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psnCAShville_615  +   18d ago
this is guy is looking for attention, totally two different games, i would have agreed if it was watch dogs, i think watch dog is the most generic game on the next gen console.

this guy is basically a xbox fan, no right minded human with campare the two games.
panbit86  +   18d ago
DOWNVOTING the site and "article".
Funky Town_TX  +   18d ago
I enjoyed infamous (Best exclusive on PS4 IMO), but it's the scale is nothing like GTA. Why are they comparing these games. I would think that an exclusive would looks better than a multi-plat.
tlougotg  +   18d ago
They both do what they do well, but ill give it to Rockstar they really did make a game that has a tremendous amount of variety, content and a world that feels alive. They also did have a bigger budget and way more dev. time. Infamous focus was more on having cool powers and creating a world where you could use those powers either for good or bad and they nailed that. (creating an live world was probably secondary for them)Creating a world that felt alve and with variety was obviously Rockstars main focus and they nailed that.

I love both games equally. Where GTA5 trumps Second Son imo is definitely replay value and any game can be compared in respect to that.
Speak_da_Truth  +   18d ago
I'll give GTA V the shier size and likeliness of its open world but when it comes to what story and game play I liked Infamous better. And that's my Opinion. I personally will not be buying GTA V on Ps4.
r21  +   18d ago
Gotta agree with the author. Its rather odd how SP didnt try to improve upon what they've made on PS3 to PS4 which as mentioned, the NPCs, the AI and the day-night cycle. I'm faulting all this cause of their focus on making the powers, visuals and gameplay tight.

I can only hope, now that they got the visuals and gameplay down, for their next game, they'll improve on making the game feel more alive.
Kaze88  +   18d ago
Small team making open world game in 3 years with low budget is compared to big team making open world game in 5 years with guinnes world records breaking budget....like serioysly?
NerdStalker  +   18d ago
people should be more focused on the real story here, GTA V is not a new game, excellent game it may be anybody who played the game and i'm assuming a lot of people did play it wont have anything new for them here other than graphics and dlc if that comes with the game. Really Infamous is the most stunning game I've seen this gen so far, Ryse was pretty good as well, this is just the first wave of games anyway, it can only get better.
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trouble_bubble  +   18d ago
Apples to oranges. Infamous is xmen fantasy and not about side quests like playing tennis, drug running, stock market lol. You could compare gtaV to batman arkham city by those standards and say it puts batman to shame as well. But you'd be just as dumb.
PiperMCFierceson  +   18d ago
I'm glad I played it on old gen so I can be the final critic as to what was really improved on and if it's better than "x" game.
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