Criticism of sexism in video games has been on rise while several trolls took it too far when forcing Anita Sarkeesian to flee her home. She has not been alone in her critic and gamers need to put their foot down against this problem in the culture.
I love video games and I feel it has been more progressive than old Hollywood. That is why I was so repulsed regarding what happened to Anita Sarkeesian. Gamers need to take a stand along side her to preserve this progressive culture.
"That is why I was so repulsed regarding what happened to Anita Sarkeesian." Anita is the last person you should be feeling sorry for. She has jumped on the SJW bandwagon and in typical overbearing feminist fashion, blindsighted any real discussion/concern over issues of sexism by purposely misleading and misrepresenting many aspects of gaming to further her agenda. I am not saying that problems with sexism exist in gaming, they do, just like in real life, but just like in real life, it seems as if the loudest person seems to get the most attention, regardless of whether their voice has anything worthy of note.
You just can't see the forest for the trees can you? Some severely thin-skinned people decided to attack her irl for her (and many, many others as well) perspective. That's the issue here dude. You are an apologist for the behavior of some real low-lifes. And what's so wrong with social justice, anyway?
The problem with SJW's is that they live in a fantasy world which is the equal of any game world. Oh and Anita Sarkeesian is a lying scam artist whose problems have nothing to do with gaming. Funny, I just watched this: http://www.youtube.com/watc... This is the reality of gaming, what Sarkeesian is talking about has nothing to do with our hobby.
I'm not condoning the actions of the idiots that did what they did. Its just that I don't think "gamers need to take a stand along side her". She is disingenuous and conniving as far as I am concerned and I don't particularly like her track record and the deceptive manner she has dealt with proper issues such as sexism in gaming.
You may disagree with her work but you cant seriously defend someone threatening to rape her and kill her family. Can you?
"You may disagree with her work but you cant seriously defend someone threatening to rape her and kill her family. Can you?" Of course not, hence why I said, "I'm not condoning the actions of the idiots that did what they did"
Agreed, America and the UK use to be nations of a pioneer spirit. Men who discovered the wheel and built the Eiffel Tower out of metal and brawn. That's what kind of men we were. Now we're to worried to be labeled racists, Sexist, or a hater of the Gays. Socialist agenda
https://www.youtube.com/wat... It's a long video, but I highly recommend you educate yourself.
I thought the threats were of a sexual nature and do not at all mention gaming. Anita is a culture critic and has looked over a lot of pop culture before turning to computer games (something she admits she wasn't a big fan of to begin with!) But is it fair to suddenly dump this on us 'gamers'? Suddenly I'm made to feel guilty because I played Mario - a game that used to damsel in distress trope even though I'm pretty sure Nintendo weren't making it, rubbing their hands together saying "Yeesss, let's belittle women with our game". I do get confused as to what is wanted and is needed to change. Computer games and their stories are fantasy. In reality I was brought up in a home with a Mum that worked incredibly hard to make sure me, my brother and sister had a comfortable childhood. She worked hard and had a great job. My sister was the only one out of the three of us that went to University and she did well and supports feminism in areas related to domestic abuse and the pay gap - genuine issues that are happening in the real world. I was brought up in a home where women worked hard and achieved much. Look at the argument that violent games make people do violent things. We would dismiss that if some gamer somewhere used them as an excuse for their violence, because if games drove a person to commit violent acts then they must have some serious issues already. If games make you look at women in a negative way, then again you must already have issues with women. But really, I find it unfair that I'm being told I have to confront a problem because a few horrible people said some nasty things on the internet. If I did that everytime someone in the limelight received abuse on the internet, I would never sleep and would probably be tearing my hair out.
"...was forced to flee her home when misogynistic trolls posted her personal information along with death threats online." I wouldn't call them misogynistic trolls, I would just call them idiots, who think that is ok to act like a-holes on the internet.
Well said Rimgal.
Though I would agree we need to change the industry but not because of the reasons presented by Anita Sarkeesian. That women manipulates the truth for her own personal gain. She would be what my girlfriend calls a person not helping the cause and an extremist (FYI my girlfriend is doing a masters course in women studies and her dissertation in obviously related to feminism in particular the next wave of feminism). My girlfriend sees these types of people all the time. The girl who burns her bra because it is an oppression of women (man invented it) yet doesn't look at the practical applications of it. The person who declares having boyfriends is anti feminist (seriously strange people on her course). These people are so extreme that they are blind. We should change the industry but not because Anita Sarkeesian says so. She is a shoddy journalist and a shoddy feminist at that (exploiting her fellow believers with something that is a bit of a scam. It didn't need funding)
Amen to that. And to be fair I dont think any gamer would defend the folks that took it too far. However what id say about Sarkeesian in her defence is that by going too far the extreme feminist route, she has created debate. And debate on a subject like this can only be a good thing even if the end result is "To be fair the gaming industry is fairly balanced when it comes to sexism in games" I for one think men are sexualised as much as women in games and if you look at the key demographic of gamers there is a fair representation of male and female protagonists.
Really nice to see someone here who actually has perspective on feminism, what it means, and the true issues it opposes. Keep it real, man. I don't feel too strongly against Anita- a lot of her analyses are HORRIBLE and contrived- but at the same time, many of them highlight really problematic patterns in gaming, which have to go.
I find it hard to believe she had to "flee from her home" that is either the writer or her being melodramatic. Even using the word "flee" seems ridiculous. I don't like her opinion and and I don't like the way she goes about it, she is hypocritical and negative. She forces her opinion in the same way as those that attack her and it isn't going to get anything solved. Her and her critics need to grow up and talk about this in a way that can get something going. Picking through games like Watch Dogs and saying it is sexist because sometimes in is a female NPC that is mugged is bullshit. It is random and obviously and nitpicking games is only going to piss off people that are logical, like myself and the trolls.
The guy who threatened her posted her address and told her he was coming to rape her. Maybe flee is melodramatic but she left to be on the safe side. Some would defo call that fleeing.
I am no fan of that persons actions (Or anyone else who is breaking the law) and I hope the authorities find them and punish them to the full extent of all laws broken... That being said... By "fleeing" her house she is essentially portraying a damsel in distress scenario... She is relying on someone else for safety.
That is if it's not staged. I am sorry but I see her as a hoax to get popular by getting a rise out of people. She seems way too smart of the hypocrisy she shows us. Is she really going to sit there in a pink shirt, make-up and large earrings and talk about how it is sexist for developers to make female characters wear those types of clothes? It is obvious she did it for the backlash she was going to get and did get. People get death threats and that is sad and maybe she did get real ones, I am sure she did, but I can't buy her bullshit.
....This article lost me when they claimed that Anita Sarkeesian was 'respected'. Outside of her fellow extreme feminists, she's a joke.
She won the Game Developers Choice Ambassador award, was nominated for an Ambassador Award by Microsoft, and was named one of "125 Women of Impact" by Newsweek among many other accolades.
The fact that she did says a lot about the sorry state of awards.
...And? That doesn't do a thing to challenge what I said. She's a joke outside of her fellow feminists.
The people who write these articles need to grow up. The real world is not as "misogynistic" as spending all your free time on Tumblr would have you believe.
When my girlfriend goes into a Gamestop or a Best Buy for games, she's asked if she's buying something for her boyfriend - then when they found out she's into games, they talk to her like they're trying to get a date. When she walks by the construction site by our apartment on her way home, she gets whistled at. When she walks down the street to the nearby Target, she gets honked at by cars full of men who stare as they drive by - even when I'm with her. Playing an MMO with a newer guild member on Mumble, she commented about how a dungeon experience left a bad taste in her mouth and the guy responded, "What, you don't like things in your mouth?" Male employees at department stores call her "honey" and "sweetheart" all the time. One of her biggest pet-peeves is when unknown men pass by and tell her to smile. She doesn't use the headset on any online console games we play anymore because people would say terrible things or send her messages calling her a "slut" or a "b*tch" or tell her she's going to get raped when they found out she's a female. Your "real" world may not be misogynistic, but her's is.
Your entire statement proves the point a lot of people have tried to make, it's not video games that are the problem. Has your g/f been hit on by any games, have any games talked down to her because she's a woman, has she ever had to pay more in micro transactions because she's a woman? Of course not, she's harassed by people in real life and not by developers decisions for character art or putting stripers and hookers in GTA. The real life misogyny and issues that women face in society aren't a product of video games nor will changing games make it any better. Lots of countries that don't have a 'gaming culture' support or at least ignore rape, body mutilation, low pay, a lack of rights when compared to men and so much more. These things have been around for CENTURIES and it's much better in developed nations that have video games than it is in the places that don't. Before games in the U.S. women's pay, status in the workplace and at home, voting rights and more were far worse and have come a long way over the last 60 years. Be concerned about finding real world solutions to the problems that women face and leave the majority of media out of it, it's not the problem.
@mydyingparadiselost I was stating a case in response to spartanlemur's opinion that the "real world" is not as "misogynistic" as some would have people believe. When my girlfriend goes through all of that every day in real life and decides to engage in her favorite hobby, she has to play as an over-sexualized heels-wearing Demon Hunter in Diablo 3. She has to play a character in revealing armor or whose bust and proportions defy physics in most MMOs. Or she has to play as a dark-haired, brooding male with a prominent brow and a five-o'clock shadow who has to save/avenge the defenseless woman. Is it wrong that she wants to play a strong and interesting female lead who is compelling because of the nature of her character and not because of her sexuality? You're right - the issue is not intrinsic to video games, it's in everyday life. And she is working toward a legal career that addresses that issue here and in developing countries. But her favorite hobby is playing video games. Why can't she have a say in that? The portrayal of women in media is a symptom of the problem that should absolutely not be trivialized.
How is calling someone "honey" or "dear" or assume they're buying for a loved one "misogynistic"?? Other men call me "mate" and older women call ME dear and honey!!! Yes it's sexist, but then so are men who buy women drinks, and skirts marketed at women etc. I mean way to be petty! Perhaps those unknown men are trying to be nice and don't do it to men because the male-female relationship (of any kind) is different to the female-female or male-male relationship. That's just biology and hormones (and yes "social constructs". I like "social constructs" as they give life a sense of grounding). I wouldn't say it to others myself, but if a woman asked me to smile I'd probably feel a bit happier. Using immature children and one guy on an MMO as examples does not constitute a great deal of evidence for there being a significant "problem" with misogyny any more than there's a problem with people being insensitive or impolite. I won't defend the builders, as I consider it rude, but it IS NOT misogynistic. This is my problem with articles like this and why I call them immature. They're full of petty trivialities which women didn't care about until other women told them that they should be bothered by them. Misogyny is a hatred of women. It means treating women as inferiors, and not people who are of equal worth but different. This is why the mature feminists have either declared victory or have left the word "feminism" behind, along with "misogyny". The situations described above are not things anyone should be irritated about, and telling people to get irritated about them is in itself making women wary, judgmental, and lowering their ability to relax and enjoy a decent quality of life as a result.
ohh another article about sexism and misogyny, NEXT PLEASE
We don't need to confront anything, because the 'issue' is way overblown. It's simply because they have nothing else to attack. Gaming doesn't need to bend over, just because someone has a virtual problem. You have a problem with rights in the real world? That's fine, but don't pin that crap on a industry that creates fictual entertainment. And please, grow a thicker skin like the rest of us. Don't take what people say seriously.
A real journalist was beheaded by a British man, I guess it's time we crack down on the British people as a whole and change their culture so it doesn't happen again... Another religious terrorist attack happened in a Muslim country, time to change the entirety of Muslim culture because that will fix the problem... Over 90% of car salesmen in the US are male, seems like we should change cars to make them easier for women to sell... I wonder if strippers would feel disenfranchised if they were no longer allowed in video games, or how women that take pride in showing of their bodies due to being secure with themselves would feel if bikinis or'sexy' clothes were taken out of games. I find it hilarious that Anita seems to think she is such a leading authority that she can speak for what women want in video games when all she is really pushing is her own agenda, her own view of how things should be on a majority of people that could honestly care less about her viewpoint, be they make or female. I say we as a community of gamers should do more to help with the real world problems that women face (bodily mutilation,low pay, sex slavery, arranged marriage, voting, etc.) and leave artistic representation to the artists that make the content. No one is making a fuss over sculpted muscle men, violence loving insane men, a lack of male stripers in games, or how men are represented in gaming in general and I don't remember the last game I played that showed a shoeless, stay at home mother of 12 being beaten by a protagonist for a better high score. This is all just getting blown out of proportion, it's time to put our focus on more important REAL WORLD issues.
These feminazis are like weeds, they do talk once about how games are misogynistic and like a million articles pop about why she is wrong or right. We should have just left this woman alone when she first popped up so we wouldn't be dealing with her right now sigh. Anyway to just dismiss and discredit this jack off, anonymity is the reason why these people do what they do. If it was some live conference or them just bumping into her trust me they'd be singing a different tune but because they are able to sit behind a monitor screen and be just an anonymous name among the millions they feel they can get away with anything. Hell I could spout some offensive slurs right now to a whole race of people and propose a genocide of them and it wouldn't bite me on the ass. No one here knows me, where I live, how I look or anything so I could get away with it but because I have some common decency I don't do those things.
STOP trying to make video games political you retard bastards. Thanks
I'm sure that the 'trolls' are awful. But why is 'feminist' regarded as some kind of badge of honour in academic circles whilst 'masculinist' isn't necessarily? What she does and what I do by writing on here are only differentiated by her mode of presentation, the support she has garnered and the angle she decides on.
Omg lol this is my last post here, Jesus Christ. Fucking n4g.
Need to confront it... By simply ignoring it and moving on. No one cares about Anita.
It is an issue. Imagine if Uncharted's Nathan Drake ran around shirtless in a thong with his privates jiggling every time he took a step and the camera zoomed into his but and his muscles whenever he climbed something. You'd just play something else? Well, now imagine if 90% of males in games were presented that way.
I would play that game. Hence Why I love Saints Row and Dead Rising they allow me to play rediculous OVERSEXUALIZED PEOPLE! In which I and many others find humorous. Trying to stop people from oversexualizing or doing stupid things like what you listed above. Is silly it would just end up like prohibition in some way or another. WHAT should be happening is promoting the oversexualization of all people. That is a more true equality than trying to stop someones fictional game world from being the way they envisioned it.
I don't even remember the last time I played a game that featured a woman in anything less than full dress that wasn't satire or built for fanservice.
Nope I wouldn't... just like I don't force any woman to play any game... You don't have the right not to be offended, you can always walk away or turn it off. No one is FORCING you to play anything. If you don't like your options or choices than maybe you chose the wrong hobby? I don't like that barbies and Ken dolls are nothing like me so guess what, I don't play with them, but I don't go around claiming they have to add more people that look like me. But guess what feminists do... you will start seeing a pattern here. They want to force others to buckle rather than take the time to make their own crap. No one is stopping them from doing it themselves but stop trying to force others to bend to your ideology. That is why they are called feminazis! Live and let live, the idea that this is hurting our society is like saying violence in games causes violence out of games. The people that are correlated have more problems than just playing the games. Everyone is making it sound like this is one big orchestrated conspiracy against women.
It's called market segmentation. Skimpy armour in games is aimed at men wanting to look at attractive women. Like most porn, these games are not aimed at heterosexual females. If heterosexual females were more commonplace in the market (and save me that stupid ESA study which ignores platform), you can be sure there would be more substantial armour to appeal to them. That's because companies would be able to make more money doing so.
How about companies make whatever the f they want and if people buy it then they can make more like it.
My predictions for the to ten selling video games in NORTH AMERICA // DESTINY , new COD , MARIO CART , new ASSASSINS CREED, WATCH DOGs, MADDEN 15, new NINTENDO SMASH game FAR CRY 4 , LAST OF US remast. , GTA5 from 2013 and some kinda DANCE game maybe? My point is, their will always be these types of tripleAAA games, as long as us gamers buy them . That is why i feel, ANITA S does not have really big impact on the industry, like people believe . So, we will a few more indie games, that are influenced to make stronger female protagonist and new types of stories . Or a few more tripleAAA games, to have the choice, to use a female protagonist .
Is it any less sexist or bigoted to indict then entire male game playing demographic for the action of a few guilty people? If you take issue with the games developers choose to make, don't support them with your money. People who are pushing this "Shame to change" agenda are just chumming the water hoping for some a**holes to take the bait, so they can point at them and say "Look here's proof that you're all awful people".
Just keep making games. If people stop buying games for purported sexism that will decide the fate of the industry single handed. No need for anything else. But something tells me nothing will change because most people don't see the rampant sexism that supposedly exists in the industry or they simply don't care.
I've already said my peace on a youtube video, regarding this idea that it was 'misogynistic trolls' that chased her out of her home. No it wasn't, it was 10 tweets from a dummy twitter account that mentions NOTHING about gaming. Let the law take its course and bag these guys. HOWEVER. Just cause she's got legit threats doesn't mean she's above reproach. No one deserves death/rape threats. But it sure as hell means we can't criticize her. Or any person, man or woman, for doing something in the industry. It's not the 'culture's misogynistic problem' just because a couple of people (men AND women) are assholes to each other on the internet. Don't act like I'm enabling people's bad behavior by not condemning it. If these people were sensible, good people that were open to reason, then they wouldn't do the horrible things that they did. So just stop; stop trying to spin this as a male vs female gamer thing. And stop acting like badly written female characters equal a misogynistic trend. Yeesh.
The writer brings up Seanbaby's article about setting a woman on the train tracks to watch her die in Red Dead Redemption? Would it have been better if it was a male that you do this to? Not only that, but what about the very strong female character i Red Dead Redemption? You know, the total badass that ran her father's farm because he was getting too old. The one who saved John Marston's life? The one that comes to his aid, nurses him back to health, gives him a job, and defends him from enemies after he got shot multiple times? Yeah. Her. You can make these stupid comparisons all you want, but the woman on thw train tracks was a homage to the old western films of their day. With the evil moustache twisting villain placing a damsel in distress on railroad tracks. The woman in the game doesn't even have a backstory and is just one of 10,000 people you kill in that game. Not only that, but its not even required. You don't HAVE to do it if you don't WANT to. So whats more more important? A nameless person in an optional quest that is clearly meant to harken back to movies of the past? Or an actual female character inthe game who plays an important role and just so happens to be one of the strongest female characters ever created in all of media? Right. Thats what i thought.
Oh by the way? Why doesn't this article talk about the humiliating and degrading way you're allowed to kill swarms of men (some of which are innocent policemen forced to do it cause their lives are at stake) in Metal Gear Rising? How that game makes humor out of amputating people? Surely that's a trigger warning for amputees who lost their limbs in war. I mean, SURELY that game is misandric for its treatment of male victims who lose their limbs in conflicts. I mean come on, you can cut people down to just their torso and then cut them open anyway. Where's the outrage for that? Oh but putting a woman on train tracks in Red Dead Redemption? Oh DON'T DO THAT. Oh but killing NUNS WHO ARE ACTUALLY ASSASSINS out to get you? DON'T DO THAT. THEY'RE WOMEN YOU GUYS. JUST AMPUTATE AND KILL MEN YOU GUYS
One more thing to say (because this is my last conversation bubble); people who claim that Anita was just 'misguided' in her assumption about killing prostitutes in Hitman Absolution is BULLSHIT. When Thunderfoot exposed her, he hit the nail on the head. The level where she killed the prostitutes and dragged them around was like the 3rd level in the game. THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME has a long tutorial telling you how the killing and hiding system works and it warns you that killing non-targets will deduct points and make the level harder if you're seen. So in games like Hitman, you are neither ENCOURAGED nor REWARDED for killing random people, especially not random women. For her to make claims like 'the player is meant to derive some sort of sick sexual pleasure' is straight up intellectual dishonesty. In open world games, there are sick and horrible things you can do to NPCs BY CHOICE. Just because they're women or sexualized women doesn't make it anymore wrong than if you did it to the hordes of innocent men in those games. Those NPC men are hardly well written deep looks at weak men's struggle in society. So this bs about having to represent women's struggles better when they're just stock characters is irrelevant. A trope is a trope and it can be overused, but i refuse to let that woman lecture me on how it's problematic because 'real life women face victimhood'. Orly? I had no idea ¬_¬
I'm not going to say there isn't a problem to confront or anything like that. As someone who has been playing video games my whole life, I feel safe in saying that there are plenty of hate-centric problems in the gaming world, just as in the rest of the world, and these problems include and go beyond sexism. However, I do think that people tend to put too much stock in the vocal minority with these issues, and that is on both sides. Are all "gamers" a bunch of sexist, angry, kids who spread slurs and death threats online? Of course not. Just as all "feminists" aren't all man-hating crazies, out there spewing misinformation and flipping out about the color of Zelda's shoes. With the anonymity of the internet, you are going to see the worst of all sides, and it is best not to judge the whole based on a part. That doesn't mean the problems should be ignored, just that they shouldn't be made the face of a group. Think of it this way, tons of people support animal rights, but that doesn't mean they would want to, or should be, associated with PETA.
Stop it already. The honest truth is that whatever issue IS in the industry isn't nearly a widespread or as big a deal as people like Sarkeesian(or this author) want folks to believe. And the more those people keep blowing things out of proportion, the more the community will push back. And the problem- the real problem- will fall by the wayside.
I'm glad this article has started an interesting discussion yet I've noticed that some are denying the problem or think its a not a real problem Unfortunately culture is a reflection of our society and as a game I like think we are morally and intellectually superior to the culture that dumbs itself down with reality TV trash and the crap of old media. Its this same bland mainstream culture that blames rape on the victim or justifies, encourages violence against women, while declaring a political assault on their social rights (all this in America). Regardless if one agrees with Sarkeesian or not, she has not been the only one to discuses the problem. Many gamers and in the media have spoken out against the image of women in the video games in resent years. Also one should really read Seanbaby column about Red Dead Redemption. When an internet comedian well known for his raunchy humor calls out a game for being sexist, then you know something is wrong.
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