During this year’s SIGGRAPH, Crytek’s Nicolas Schulz and Theodor Maderfinally admitted how more powerful high-end PCs were compared to both current-gen consoles at launch.
Seems they are distancing themselves from Microsoft a little. That's not a positive sign for xbox one.
It's a good thing, you don't want them to die because they're in bed with MS.
Oh I have no doubts that this is great for crytek.
What's great for Crytek is they're now obsolete. Only free-to-play games? Even when you were making 'AAA' games at £50 a pop, they were awful
Die? Really? What do you mean and why would the die?
They went bust sayia and got bailed out recently. Rise was probably a big factor in this, the game must have cost a bomb to make.
@die_fiend Apparently you've got disagrees that need to take an hard and cold look on that recently announced mediocre looking dota concurrent for Riot games , valve and blizzard
it must be a miracle then, because of the multitudes of tech companies that are partnered with microsoft all over the world haven't immediately died due to working with them. /s
I'm sure I remember them saying they had no problems developing on Xbox One... it was right about the time they were hyping Ryse... :/ Did they lie? Were they forced to? /confused...
@ Walter- got ya. Understand. I just saw the poster say die and in bed with MS. I see people use these phrases with companies...like in bed with; when in fact it is just business. Its a shame too because Ryse was a good game. At least I enjoyed it, but did not have a lot of replay value.
@dip90 The article doesn't mention anything that would make it seems as if they're distancing themselves. Just noting that BOTH platforms released in a weak state when compared to PC.
"During this year’s SIGGRAPH, Crytek’s Nicolas Schulz and Theodor Mader finally admitted how much more powerful high-end PCs were compared to both current-gen consoles at launch. Obviously this isn’t surprising at all, but it’s at least good to see developers admitting what we already knew. As Crytek’s Rendering Engineers revealed, when both Xbox One and PS4 were already dated the moment they came out." I guess they are talking about all current gens consoles. Also noticed the said "at the moment they came out, I guess PC will always lead the way.
@die-fiend Aweful? Get real. You fanboys are truly absurd. Most of Crytek's games have scored well. Not to mention that the user reviews are generally on the positive side. But yeah let's go on pretending that their games all suck .
CryTek can still turn things around for themselves if they just release a TimeSplitters game, and by that I do not mean a Timesplitters skin on a Crysis game, I want a real Timesplitters, local co-op, hundreds of weapons and characters and be a real blast to play. TimeSplitters is their saving grace.
Makes game for Xbox One = Xbox One is the best thing ever and everything else sucks. Makes game for PC = PC is the best thing ever and everything else sucks. Yeah, I believe in you Crytek... NOT!
but but but...according to some Pinball game dev, the ESRAM is not a bottleneck! Crytek must be lying! /s
"Console Hardware Considerably Less Powerful Than High-End PCs" And water is indeed wet./s If you want the best Graphics and VR tech and backwards compatibility with older game including some console games with emulation and a machine that double as a entertainment system for wide range of use that's completely unmatched then get a PC.... If you just want something thats very cheap at initial start up but cost more then a PC over time(psn+, PSnow, xbl, $60 games) and has very few good exclusives left then get a console.
you make it seem like PC is so pick up and play and simple. do you know when upgrading PC some older games stop working or need to be reprogrammed to work on new hardware ? then theres the high electric bill you will receive for running your ultra powerful master race PC. never trust anything that comes out of a PC gamers mouth. most of them are 40 year old virgins who have no responsibilities and will never get laid. master race indeed.
"never trust anything that comes out of a PC gamers mouth. most of them are 40 year old virgins who have no responsibilities and will never get laid. master race indeed." So much fail in that paragraph that I don't even know where to start. Pc gamers are the ones with the most responsibility and chances are make the most money... my job is stressful but it pays so damn good and I can't speak for other PC gamers but my fiancée can tasify that I get laid lol....
Or, you can go to a ARCADE .
Dude, we have no doubts that PC surpasses consoles in hardware power, graphics and visual fidelity, not to mention the strategy games that are unplayable on consoles... But man, please, stop saying that consoles costs more than a PC. I had a gaming PC and the costs in electricity, peripherals, gamer accessories and hardware upgrade are much higher, and the digital games in consoles can be easily shared into 2 players, so the price per game is still lower than PC. A console will be cheaper and more efficient for playing all the games, because it was made for playing games. There is always something better, but not necessary more efficient ;)
They each got their perks , even if pc more so than consoles ... but i doubt many people look more than superficially at cost . They consider cost , but would usually just pick the ecosystem they are comfortable with . And you're kidding yourselves if you think consoles only got "a few exclusives" worth fussing about . Same goes for pc . It would even be more about what genre of gaming are predominant than the amount of titles . Do you care that there are 100 exclusives pc mmos if you aint into mmos ? Same goes with jrpgs and some other genres on consoles
As someone who games on both consoles and PC, I take offense to that comment. Has very few good exclusives left? Are you being serious?
How many graphic card upgrades do you need to stay up to date with a pc? Lol.... surely not just one.... PS now is optional.... Also, the cost of gaming on ps4 is progressive and not huge to start and then progressive till the next upgrade like pc. A $1-3k PC would see costs spread for some players a whole gen on ps4.
Go to an arcade? most arcade games are dreamcast/ps2 quality. Arcades are dead.
The PS4 is also "considerably less powerful than a high end PC". What a hit seeking title.
"How many graphic card upgrades do you need to stay up to date with a pc? Lol.... surely not just one.." to be up to date by pc standards? yeah sure you probably want to upgrade once every 2-3 years. but no need to upgrade if it's just to keep up with console standards lol. a PC gamer that can only play Watch Dogs or BF4 in 900p would probably want to upgrade, but by console standards that's totally fine.
Just upgraded my PC last month and started mining cryptocurrency (bitcoin, litecoin). Cost me just over $1500 to build a MONSTER rig and it will be paid off in less than a year through mining. I'm now looking at annual upgrades and still MAKING money. Sorry, consoles lose the cost argument by a mile.
@blackmagic I made a lot of money from flipping console games in the stores. started from ransacking the corpse of blockbuster and took all into gamestop and made a $1000 buck. than there was the best buy flipping for 2 years. than there was that walmart flipping. than there was the target triple trade in flipping. cant do that with pc games though. so whatever u can do to make money, its all good.
this @sshole thinks "fiance" is french for "hand"...
Why are PC gamers elitist I do not get it you act like you are a better person because you play games on a PC your not the only person to act that way on this site is it hard to believe some people can't afford a high end pc hell I work in I.T. so I hate computers in a way the last thing I want to do when I get home is set at my computer desk lol why be such a dick about it also I just do not get why do all PC gamers feel they have to be a prick whenever the topic come up it is almost not even worth talking about then you bash spacedelete for saying what he said when he is right to view things like you you are either young and very dumb or you are a pathetic old guy who has nothing better to do than to try and make fun of console gamers or make yourself feel like a giant because you game on a PC I just do not get it. Sorry I might have gone overboard but I can't stand how some PC gamers act just like people fighting over which console is better a person works hard let them buy what they want to play on. OT: These guys are ass hats they always praise consoles when they have a game coming out then bash consoles afterward.
@kreate What does what you are doing have to do with gaming? You don't even need to be a gamer to flip product for a profit so I don't see how that is relevant to his comment. Blackmagic is saying his pc will pay for itself in less than a year by mining bitcoin which can't be done with a console. I know this is true because I also mine bitcoin.
"never trust anything that comes out of a PC gamers mouth. most of them are 40 year old virgins who have no responsibilities and will never get laid. master race indeed." I feed and grow strong on your obvious jealousy.
@Joe913 So what do you plan on doing after you finish 3rd grade?
That is all nice with PC, and some of it's major benefits. Unfortunately, those benefits hasn't made me switch yet. Fact of the matter is, I care more about plug and play, ease of use on the big screen, and a tailored experience with uniformity across the network. I don't want to deal with updates, drivers, and inconveniences. Believe it or not, there are advantages to PC, PS4, Xbox One, PS3, Xbox 360, Wii, Wii U and so on! It's just that everyone has an opinion, and they all stink except for mine! :D
@spacedelete older games dont work command ane conquer from 1995 says hi on my windows 8 machine and all I did was install it. I cant play any of my older console games on any of my newer console, and if u knew anything about pc u realise a pc only uses power that it needa unless u buy some cheap arse PSU nost graphics cards come with free software to underclock your cards automatically for less power comsumption and alot of motherboards can swotch between dedicated and onboard graphics card too for less power. I game on consoles and PC you talk shit. Dont be a fanboy be a gamer
@livininsin 'You don't even need to be a gamer to flip product for a profit ' u never flipped before have u? to flip a game for a profit, u need to understand the value of different games. to understand the value of video games, generally speaking, u kind have to be a gamer. or non-gamer would not think about flipping games. 'Blackmagic is saying his pc will pay for itself in less than a year by mining bitcoin which can't be done with a console. I know this is true because I also mine bitcoin.' and im saying my console will pay for itself in a few days by flipping console games which cant be done with a pc. i know this is true because i do it myself along with 100s of cags. *i'll write down 1 example i bought the game brave 1 time. ps3 version and 360 version. bought for 30 and trade it in for 40. made $20 bucks plus it came with 2 movie tickets which i took my gf to watch spiderman instead of watching brave.
From Azzanation referring to one of my comments in a previous article. "What you need to understand is fanboys and mainly kids believe that ESram is a bottleneck when in fact ESram can achieve alot and is a great benefit. Crytek who made one of the best looking next gen games in Ryse which won multiple visual awards, came out and said they had no issues." COUGH.
I saw that comment in the other article and I just had to walk away. No issues whatsoever it wasn't 900p and it didn't have horrible framerate drops whatsoever. Nope no bottlenecks with esram.
you mean aside from the dinky amount of it.
wrong rply nvm
Thye can only do more damage to themselves.
they are just stating facts.
Poor sales of Ryse and Crytek suddenly hate Microsoft. I wonder what they will say if Ryse 2 fails to pick up a publisher due to poor sales of the original. They won't be so mad at Microsoft then will they?
i don't know where you got hate from. they are just saying that theres more power to do more on pc's. they mentioned the ps4 in there as well and Ryse was obviously an x1 exclusive. it is possible to not hate something and still speak about it objectively. the internet thinks theres some rule that if you say something less than glowing about something then they hate it or its the worst at everything. there are plenty of shades in between and besides - this article was all about tech and when it comes to tech, yes the ps4 and x1 are outdated by pc standards
Crytek's financial problems have started before or at the same time Ryse was being developed. Crytek is solely responsible for agreeing to make this exclusive on one console which incidentally ended up being hated more than Rabies and to top it all off it didn't even sell that good. So its not the poor sales that are to blame but their greed for an easy paycheck.
How did you come up with that after reading the article? Both consoles were dated soon as they came out.... i didnt come away feeling as tho they were distancing themselves from MS as you say. Tho i could be wrong in my assessment as a 54 others have already agreed with you.
sounds like they aren't distancing themselves from x1 so much as jus saying that consoles are weak: As Crytek’s Rendering Engineers revealed, when both Xbox One and PS4 were already dated the moment they came out. “Console hardware was considerably less powerful than high-end PCs at launch” reads Crytek’s SIGGRAPH 2014 presentation.
What leads me to believe that they are distancing themselves from Microsoft is the part where they talk about having trouble with the esram. Before they were touting the console as easy to develop for and it's ease of use now they are being more honest. It indicates somewhat of a split.
The headline is entirely misleading. It's making it seem like Crytek is singling out the X1 as the only inferior console when they are saying both current gen consoles are weak. This is something a reasonable person will honestly admit. PCs will always be the leader when it comes to tech.
Are there really people ignorant enough to think that an Xbox One is like a powerful PC?
Did u actually read it they saying both console are weaker than high end pc nothing negative about Xbox one only
Yes I did, I also read the part where they called esram a challenge to them that caused them to sacrifice graphical parts of the game. Something they would never admit while they were super chummy with microsoft, it appears now is a different story
But who didnt know, that the Xbox1 aint stronger than a PC?
The same company that was praising Ryse and all things Ryse is now going back on what they said?! Can't say I'm surprised. Companies are lying a lot lately just to see what they can get away with
You'll never bad mouth your own product, it would hinder sales. When the game is all but dead then feel free to tell the truth about it. Just ask EA with their last iterations of NBA Live. These companies are getting sloppy but most of the blame can be placed at Sony and MS' feet. They released the consoles too early. There's a severe lack of quality engaging titles.
[email protected] Why are pc fanboys so thirsty and so insecure. Why don't pc fanboys understand that pc and console are completely different hardware . Pc is open architecture. Gaming pc's are small niche market . Console closed system mainstream mass market. Pc gaming and consoles are not in direct competition with each other. No Nintendo , Sony and Microsoft are in direct competition . Do pc fanboys not understand that . Does Sony ever mention PC gaming no . Does Phil Spencer every mention pc gaming no . Sony are in Direct competition for customers with Microsoft and Nintendo not pc. Only a idiot would tell you a PS4 is more powerful than a 2,000-5000 high end PC. But you can't get a pc at a $400 price point proven to match the PS4 preformance proven by GameSpot.com . http://www.gamespot.com/art... If you buy a new Mustang GT . It's a great car it's fast and has great preformance. But if you buy a corvette a car that cost twice as much . You are going to get a faster car and better preformance. A Mustang is in competition with Camaros and Chargers not corvette. Sony doesn't have magic dust that make hardware cheaper . High performance GPU are not cheap . Sony is trying to make a balanced product good preformance at a mainstream price. I wish Sony and Microsoft went with more powerful GPU 2-3 teraflops . I would gladly pay 500 or 600 for every game in 1080P 60fps . But I understand why Sony went for a balance approach to hardware. Sony went for cutting edge technology with PS3 and lost it shirt .
"As Crytek’s Rendering Engineers revealed, when both Xbox One and PS4 were already dated the moment they came out. “Console hardware was considerably less powerful than high-end PCs at launch” reads Crytek’s SIGGRAPH 2014 presentation." @ Evilsnuggle your lover boy Mark Cerny said the PS4 is a "Supercharged PC". which it is not, and never will be. if you listen to what Sony or MS sell you without knowledge of what the hardware is, you are an il-informed buyer. that is what Sony and MS expect you to be. and what you are. you and many others are sold a bill of goods. a .5 upgrade from what the PS3 and 360 are. only to line their pockets because of your stupidity of believing them. Apple and Samsung do the same with their cell phones. you believe this great innovation is coming only to be left standing with your pants around your ankles. educate yourself. that is the only way you are not going to be laughed at for buying into a fallacy. and yes, we all laugh at you.
Seems like they're going back to PC only games to me.
For Crysis, that'd be GREAT! Problem is, with the recent mumblings of a financial crisis, pun intended, I doubt they'd go full PC only now.
"Crytek Faced Xbox One ESRAM Issues, Console Hardware Considerably Less Powerful Than High-End PCs" What's surprising about this? BOTH the PS4 and X1 are considerably less powerful than high-end PCs.
Well this is right they said this at the time. "Target hardware less powerful than high-end PCs at launch" Page 13 http://www.crytek.com/downl... KEY words "AT LAUNCH"......... XB1 getting better over time, as i have said in the past... PS4 is = to a HD7970 that's good power.
You understand that pc will benefit from direct x12 also right? And at a greater degree than xbox one? You also understand that hardware cannot magically improve also right? What they likely meant was that at launch xbox one and ps4 were weaker than the pc's out then at that time and the gap is only widening. At launch xbox one was weaker than high end pc's, I don't know why you allow your wishful thinking to cloud your judgment over the statement.
@kingdip90 "You also understand that hardware cannot magically improve also right?" Xb1 Developers are not writing to the metal. This is big, that's a lot of power left unused. They are on PS4. Every thing that has been running on XB1 from 3RD party developers are just using 1.3TF no 2x closed box performance. They are not using ESRAM to DDR3 back flow yet. No one can tell me why they need a 5.1tf GPU to get FM5 running 1080p @60FPS. (i know why). 2. PC's will all ways be more powerful. It's based on you going back to by new Hardware. 3. PS4 is $400 = to a HD7970 not bad for 6 years of gaming. 4. It's not about beating a PC it's about not looking aged next to a pc. 5. XB1 and PS4 has been getting better over time. 6. People, developers don't run the show. Sony and MS run the show. Developers did not tell MS that it was ok to use 10% more GPU, MS told the developers it was ok and here is some software to do it...... In the 360 days not one developer know that there was a up scale chip in 360 until MS said it was!!!
@marcofdeath: enough, already. you being wrong (and being banned for spreading misinformation) everywhere else doesn't magically make you right here. "No one can tell me why they need a 5.1tf GPU to get FM5 running 1080p @60FPS. (i know why)." no, you don't know why because your misterx "insider" information is incorrect. they don't need a titan black GPU to run forza 5 nor does the xbone have that kind of GPU inside. http://www.dsogaming.com/vi... and it was a DX12 demonstration for *PC*. if you think it was an xbone demo or in any way alludes to a titan black GPU hidden inside the xbone, you're sadly mistaken. plus, they've already performed benchmark tests of the console GPUs. http://wccftech.com/playsta...
^^^ @ Marcofdeath I follow MisterX blog and still think for myself. A lot of the discussions come across very hypothetical and both consoles offer sizeable specifications (Enough for video games, video games aren't the most demanding platform out there) The XB1 will indeed keep getting better. Multiplat developers aren't giving the device enough time because they still have a lot to learn on the backend of each system. Everything in this industry is pushed by deadlines. It's true, Sony themselves have stated within their own tech instructions that the peak memory bandwidth is 140GB/s... providing there is no such CPU access at all. Bandwidth drops in relation to CPU utilisation. But what's to say the XB1 isn't in the same boat? With so many pipelines available on the XB1... just what happens when one particular pathway is stuck waiting for a returning message... does the whole system lock up? I like to presume that the first games within the cycle were already in development prior to the new console dev kits being released. The backbone of every game was already prepared before they even had a console to work with... they won't spend all that time going back to the basics, liasing with the design engineers and re-streamlining their products from the ground up... because of the deadlines they have to adhere to. The guys developing the games are learning more and more about the platforms each day they spend working with it. I agree, the devices are more then sufficient to deliver excellent quality games. I do feel like the developers are faced with a potential renaissance in game development. Either hop on board, learn to master coding for the new devices... delay everything... cost millions across the board.... or apply everything you know and release a poorly optimised game just in the nick of time. It's common sense that with such sparsity of games on the whole... now is the best time to be releasing a game.. the hype is there and everyone else is pushing for next year. Example... Bungie and Destiny - Fully Multiplat... huge exposure Advanced warfare - Pretty much standard cod... ghosts has run it's course and they will help push people to the next gen. MCC/TLOU - Classics helping people remember the best bits of the previous generation.. lure tactics. Great things are coming our way... just not for a couple more years mid cycle... as to be expected... XB1 isnt as "underpowered" as people might think. The device will shine as we get further and further into the life cycle. PS4 is very overrated but still a great platform to own
Whats weird is, when they were developing Ryse they kept claiming 900p was a choice and they were having no problems with the XB1 Now this
Wow, talk about making a false connection. Crytek were never a MS company in the first place dude.