CarlosX360 Writes: "With the doom & gloom surrounding Wii U, I take a look into why Nintendo has a hard time attracting 3rd party developers."
How many of these articles going to pop up rehashing the same s***? We get it, Wii U is not getting Call of duty and Assassins Creed. Their yearly releasibg games. So what if they don't come this year. Their is always next year. As for other third party games. Its like Wonderfulmonkey keeps saying. Nintendo doesn't need watered down,half a$$ed,sloppy second,No support "games". Until devs want to grow a pair and step up and make an actual fully supported game that also takes full advantage of the system and gamepad I'm content with sticking with Nintendo tittles.
Yeah I'm getting annoyed at the repetitive nature of these articles. Nintendo has their own share of fault on third party support or lack thereof, but third parties themselves are also to blame. It is the developer's job to make a good game and it is the publisher's job to make each version appealing. Mix it all together with Nintendo not marketing Wii U very much and you have a recipe for disaster for everyone.
Indie titles are a coming....Oh no ......COD 121 is not coming to Wii U. Oh wait I can play Ghost, COD ........on Wii U...So what if the latest REHASH is not going to be on Wii U.. so freaking what....same stuff over and over.....just a different setting....why not just make COD make your own setting....then the crap would be done because we could build our own setting. Oh wait then they would not make money...I will just play my own games thanks. Nothing New here move on.
If you don't want to read them, then don't read them. Simple. I wanted to take advantage of this wave of controversy and challenge the other(s) on these kind of opinions.
I do like how you pointed out the mistakes of the past rather than just jumping to "Wii U isn't powerful and mature games don't sell on it." But I have two comments (I posted these on the article but still awaiting apporval). The first is that developers can't let the past determine the present. A lot of those policies Nintendo had in the early days are gone. The N64 had many M rated games from their studios and from third parties. They weren't limiting what could be made or how many. Now I understand the hard feelings of the NES, SNES days may have carried over to the N64 and even GC, but isn't it time to let it go. Germany housed one of the worst people and was home to the attrocities he commited in WWII, but Germany has changed and we don't still hold that against them. Sure it took time, but now we are allies. If Nintendo has changed and is now more open to the developers and what they want to do, then shouldn't they get over what happened 20 years ago? Secondly, why did the developers mostly pledge support to the Wii U before it's launch if they were just going to pull it? I get that you need to make money to continue supporting the system, but some multiplats have sold as well or better on Wii U than other systems when they aren't gimped or delayed. I can't believe EA and Ubi were truthful with Nintendo or gamers when they pledged their support but then had nothing in the pipeline beyond the first year of the systems life. Ubi has been better about it, but even they are saying a lot of BS like "Just Dance sells well, but Mature games don't" despite the fact that Zombie U, a new mature IP sold 3 times as much as the well established dance franchise. Lastly here is a question: Considering the Wii U is the second highest selling console this generation why are devs still announcing games for Xbox One and not Wii U. I understand the Wii U has been out a year longer, but let's say it is still in second at this time next year, do you think devs will finally say "Ok we will start making games for Wii U because it has the second highest install base," or will they still be saying "Wii U does not have enough sales to warrant making games for it, but Xbox One does?"
Since you were nice enough and even asked questions instead of trolling, or attacking, I'll go ahead with a response of my own! Yes, a lot of the policies that they adopted during the early days - are gone. But, in it's place, Nintendo adopted new methods, new protocols that drove away developers. Otherwise why would developers "pull out" at the last minute? It's because its the same schtick. Secondly, as much as I think the policies were replaced by new protocols, I also think that sales for [third party] Wii U [games] were so low, that publishers wouldn't want to develop for it anymore. It's the same thing as Xbox One. The difference is that Microsoft can sell just about any third party title that Nintendo obviously can't. That's the difference. Thirdly, as contradicting as it sounds, the reason why Wii U is selling 7 million units so far is simply because games like Mario Kart 8, and Smash Bros are moving those systems. That's where the other problem lies with Nintendo's third party support.
And second party titles.
We get it. Can N4G stop posting practically the same article? The wii u happend, Nintendo made a mistake, Nintendo is trying to make games to make people happy. Would people stop complaining on what the wii u is not. This is what the wii u is, and right now it is getting amazing games.
This isn't the "same" article. It's an opinion article that challenges the other one. I was making a "disagreement" article.
All these "journalists" keep coming out of nowhere and acting like we should all give a crap about their OPINION. It's getting old reading the same stuff over and over and over an.... Everyone knows the big N has third party issues. It's nothing new. Been happening for generationS <~~~ (there's an "S" there) now. "Let's make a story that's 15 years old" isn't how I'd try and get my journalism foot in the door If it sounds like I'm ranting I'm not. It's just getting ridiculous. If the writer could see this I'd tell them they're late to the party, time to move on to something else
But, the other journalist didn't mention it. This is a problem that started during Super NES. Or rather, blew up in Nintendo's face during Super NES.
They didn't have to mention it though, its been talked about since N64
Last time i checked the Wii and DS dominated last gen with almost no core third party support. The GC was still profitable in the end without it, as was the N64. The 3ds which only has middling support at best, especially outside of Japan was the best selling gaming device last year. Has it held back the WiiU? not really. when it as receivining support no bugger bought it anyway. Now its got almost none, and Nintendo's starting to provide the console with a steady stream of quality 1st and 2nd party exclusive sales have begun to pick up. So no, Nintendodon't need theird party support. both historically and currently the actual facts of the matter speak for themselves.
That's a no brainer.
From being a Xbox fanboy to purchase a Wii U and play Nintendo titles. I can realized that I have played bad games all along. Now I almost only play Nintendo games. I don't need assassins creed or call of duty because in my eyes, Nintendo will allways make the better games.
Yeah these are wearing a little thin now. They all seem to miss the fact that third party support or the lack thereof has never actually held nintendo back.
Actually, yes it has. Look at the statistics. I mention it in the article.
Poor gimmicks combined with weak hardware are why Nintendo is failing these days. It's really no more complicated than that.
Pathetic and repetitive ''article'' just stop aprove this trash here people. -_-
Um....WRONG! Crappy ports and unsupported third party titles are why they fail on the system. All Nintendo does is make a system. It is up the third parties to make decent games for it. Nintendo and the indies do. When the Indies are making better games for Wii U than Ubisoft, that is not anyone else's fault except for Ubisoft. #BoycottUbisoftgames
I heard you the first couple hundred times.
If third parties would replace games like Sniper Elite V2 with games like The Wonderful 101, Nintendo fans wouldn't have any reason to not buy the games. But they keep releasing ports that make Nintendo's gamers distrust third party in general, and as a result, sales suffer for the few good third party games on the system as well. Third parties are directly responsible for the presentation of their games and the content therein, regardless of system. If the overall majority of the ports on a system are done as badly as most of the ports on wii u have been, it causes harm beyond the scope of those games, and the system suffers in sales as a result, too. Nintendo's mistakes were in not having more of their own first party games ready at launch, and in not working more closely to advertise both their games and the few truly good third party games the system has. But Nintendo cannot be blamed for third parties' decision to cut content out of their wii u multiplat versions for the sake of cutting development costs, due to a variety of convenient circumstances used as excuses. Third parties share blame in this. Anyone telling you they're blameless, that they don't have any responsibility as far as making their own ports appealing to a new fan base is concerned, is being an apologist.
No, third parties aren't to blame for this; Nintendo is, for making very weak, feature-lacking, gimmicky hardware that doesn't showcase games well at all. Wii U can't even match crossplat games from the 360/PS3, the system stutters and fails to best those consoles that came out EIGHT years before it. Don't believe me? Just check the Eurogamer face-offs for Wii U games vs. 360/PS3, the Wii U just can't keep up. No blame for third parties on this, its all on Nintendo itself.
You might want to check your facts because Black Ops 2 and Ghosts ran at higher frame rates and higher resolution than the PS3 and most definitely 360 versions all while showcasing a second screen for added controls and maps. So your statement is extremely uneducated and sad.
Obviously a troll but I take your point on board, now if you look back at past generations you'll see that the power of a system has very little to do with its success (let me know if you need examples) and as far as not being able to out do 8 year old systems, you clearly haven't played the their 1st party games.
I was going to tear your post down, but the others did it for me. They're right, you're wrong, you obviously haven't seen any of its best games at work(where it cleanly trumps ps360), and worst of all, you're am apologist who thinks third parties shouldn't hold any responsibility for the failures of their own damned products. You clearly have an anti-Nintendo vendetta here; at least the rest of us are capable of fairly splitting the blame and placing it where it is due. We're done here. Bye-bye.
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