A look at the current internet controversy surrounding a single female game developer.
People are still talking about this?
People should be talking about this still. This is a major issue that affects the gaming industry as a whole.
@johndoe, You are correct in that these articles obviously need to continue for a while longer. All one need do is look at the number of persons in this thread that were unfamiliar with her actions and it indicates further dispersal of the truth is required. They need to be informed so they do not, in the future and by lack of knowledge, support any of her efforts. If she wants to be a whore then she doesn't get to be a pretend whore. She needs to be cut off from the gaming industry to the point she is forced to become a legitimate version of the person she has clearly shown herself to be.
I don't think calling her a whore is fair, and I think it makes it seem like your focusing on the right issue here. This is meant to be about corruption in gaming journalism, the lengths publications will go to cover up the allegations (with evidence I might add). How quick journalists were to jump on the "GAMERS ARE HORRIBLE, THEY'RE MISOGYNISTS" instead at looking at the issue from both sides.
I meant wrong issue, whoops. Insulting her doesn't get a point across, it just makes you sound nasty.
Quinnspiracy Theory: In-N-Out Edition http://youtu.be/pKmy5OKg6lo
Example: * If Person A, punches women in face in front of a group of men, he will get his Butt Whooped. He would still be a Victim of a beating, but said beating would have been the reaction to his cause. Cause & Effect. * She wouldn't have people saying bad things about here, if she didn't go do those things. * Example: Kim Kardashian doesn't want to be looked at as a whore, yet she got famous by putting out a sex tape, and then having her mother pimp out said sex tape. * EX: If Derek Jeter today starts saying how much he HATES the Yankees, while still playing for them, He will get booed at home games, even though he is Derek Jeter. It could have been an effect of what he did.
She's both. The thing is she's a victim due to her villainy. In other words, she is reaping what she sowed.
Couldn't put it better myself.
Would ask if an apparent pathological liar can be a victim, but then, the Boy Who Cried Wolf.
I don't think she read that story :.(
she doxxed a charity and took them down because she wanted the money, she is a terrible human being.
To think that the whole think started because TheFineYoungCapitalist had a open policy about transexuals, yet Zoe didn't like, as a good feminist she thinks that transexuals are evil.
All i know that she is a whore.
This right here is the reason why people won't see what a horrible, manipulative, truly "bad" person Zoe Quinn is. There are still a vast majority of people who believe promiscuity is a bad thing that makes people bad people. Zoe Quinn is not an issue because she cheated on her boyfriend. What went on in the confines of Zoe's relationship is between her and the guy who started this whole thing. The fact that she used sex to further the agendas of herself and her various sexual partners is the problem.
...And that the 'recipients' appear to have given her favourable terms. I couldn't care less either way if she slept around for favours - the indication that people who get paid to give impartial, honest, reviews / news were apparently swayed by this is what really shows how corrupt the industry is (as if we needed reminding).
and a scary looking one at that.
I find it hard to call anyone who cheated on their boyfriend/girlfriend multiple times with multiple people a victim.
So what exactly did this girl do? Slept with 5 guys to get good reviews? What else am i missing... i'm hearing so many different things...
She used her connections in the gaming media to get The Fine Young Capitalists game jam doxxed and shutdown. That prevented a good amount of potential game developers from helping make and contribute to the growth of game culture. The simple question is this: do you support people who help bring you more games or people who prevent you from having more games to play?
Oh wow... Thats terrible. & not the latter.
She's a villainess. Her actions wrought any counter measures that could be considered to make her a victim. She shut down a charity event. A FRICKIN' CHARITY EVENT! This girls's video has an opening that is so perfectly descriptive of Zoe Quinn it's astonishing and hilarious. https://www.youtube.com/wat...
I had no idea who Zoe was, however I have heard of Depression Quest. The game didn't interest me so I never paid any attention to these Zoe articles. I mean, it's free to play on Steam so I don't get the fuss. It's not as though she's making money with it. *shrug*
She does make money with it, its through sponsorship, and it still is sold on other site.
Oh, ok. Thanks for the heads up.
Not to mention she's making more than a large amount of full-time employees make through her Patreon because of this game and the promise of future ones. http://www.patreon.com/zoe
If you've asked that question then your only seeking attention & clicks. The answer is a straight forward obvious one with no need for questioning. It's simple common sense!
Why are we giving her attention? She clearly gets off of it.
A victim of her own foolish choices.
These comments... what in the hell...
What I find the most disgusting about this whole ordeal is the fact that she isn't held accountable and that people actually defend her. You know dam well if she was born with male reproductive organs instead of female she'd be burned at the steak in a heart beat and anita sarkeesian and her ilk would be screaming misogynist from the roof tops on a daily basis. Funny how anita spews about equality and respect in the gaming scene yet we've yet to hear a single peep from her on this subject. Sexist hypocrite.
Holy crap, I didn't know about that blog. I feel for that guy so badly, I've had the exact same thing happen to me, it is the worst feeling in the world and will literally make you never trust another human being again in your life when someone you truly love, someone you give yourself to completely, betrays you and not only that you find out they were not even who they made you believe they were. Some people are unbelievably vicious for absolutely no reason at all and just totally sadistic when it comes to lying. Then this girl says crazy things as if she is the savior of gaming equality? So she screws her way to the top, yea that isn't completely contradictory. Are you kidding me? "what is she goes public" "cause games as a whole can lose one of it's only strong voices for equality because a woman's sexuality at all being public can sink that ship" No you slept with your damn boss when he was married all while you had a boyfriend and you think that is just about your sexuality being public? Damn the way she tries to manipulate people is sickening, it's about people needing to know what a twisted individual she really is. She is crazy as hell, this is beyond hypocritical. I had no idea about this honestly cause I never payed much attention to her but I figured I would see what all the fuss was about, happened to check that blog, what a terrible person she is. I was just aw struck at all the screwed up things she did to that poor guy. Oh man I can't even read all the blog, made it halfway through but it isn't that it's poorly written or long for me, it is just the fact it gets worse and worse the more you read. Just a disgusting freaking whore of a woman she is. It gets to a point where she cheated on him with so many people she couldn't even remember them all... She seriously has to say to herself.. "I think that's everyone." I truly hope this all ruins her for the rest of her life, people like this don't deserve a decent life. People like that seriously deserve the worst things imaginable to happen to them fucking with peoples emotions like this. Oh god the part where she had sex with a guy the night before she meets up with her boyfriend and he kissed her only to find out later.. Yea you do the math, just gross. Astonishing people can be so cruel. The worst part about all of this, if this were a man who did this.... Good god the shit he would get for it but no since it's a woman, let's all give her a free pass, feel sorry for her and a try harder next time pat on the back. I cannot believe anyone is even defending this shit, as I said if it were a man they would have castrated him alive.
You know what's funny? The boyfriend even says that she is a great designer. The guy who had to go through so much s*** had the maturity of praising her skills, despite all she did to him. I think the BF was so naive that he didn't realize that publishing this blog was going to have this effect. He wanted some sort of "revenge" or "Catharsis" on the matter, but it exploded into something else.
Well for me as I said, I am just getting into all of this so I don't really know how big the explosion has been, I've ignored all this until now only showing an interest simply out of boredom while waiting for the MK8 update. I just found out what this girl has done to others and that guy which is messed up on so many different levels. I don't know the guy obviously but he reminds me a lot of myself from the way he speaks and how respectful he is regardless of how she treated him. I personally wouldn't call it naive, I would call it more of a false hope in just trying to make yourself believe this can't be real. A really hard thing to wrap your head around, how someone can intentionally be so evil and live with themselves. Again as I said I've been in this exact same position and when you get screwed over mentally like this, it takes time for it to sink in because of how unbelievable it all is. I also don't think he intended to write that for release or revenge, it just seemed like he wanted to make people aware of the person she really is and nothing more. People who want revenge would have been way more vulgar and disrespectful than he was, he was fairly calm and collective about the entire ordeal. Other than the slight outbursts from just being completely baffled at how someone could do that or knowing his own friends even stabbed him in the back that slept with her.
Seems to me from what I was reading she slept with 1 journalist and the others were just people in and around the industry in different forms. Obviously shes got issues and its fked up what she did to that guy but it doesnt need to be anyones business just hers and the guy she screwed over. Sorry but I think the fact that people believe that because she slept with someone and possibly used that relationship for good press on her game somehow taints journalism any more than publishers giving out free games and holding events in which gaming press attend and receive all this free stuff is a joke and people need to realize gaming journalism lost its integrity long long before Zoe Quinn came along. As for her part in getting that charity event shut down, thats something that is of public interest and she deserves all the hate she gets from that one. The rest is just dumb to me.
If you were cheated on with that many people you have every right to warn others about that person or knowing that she lied about getting tested having sex with you and that many other people without protection. I feel that is pretty important for people to know about. I don't see why that would be dumb, that is why I disagreed.
Eh, you think its important for potentially millions of people who do not know this girl and will probably never meet or interact with her to know what she did to this guy? All because she cheated on him? I suppose then you think it should be public knowledge of celebrity affairs and all that stuff as well because hey some celeb cheated on another and that needs to be heard by again potentially millions of people who really have nothing in the situation. I find the celeb gossip crap to be appalling personally. I guess to each their own I mean if you think its relevant information to have then more power to ya, cant blame you for disagreeing with me I just disagree with you.
Thing is, it was made clear that she is a pathological liar, and she has taken advantage of a series of lies to advance her career and make it to the spotlight.
Yeah that might very well be what happened. Im not saying she didnt do something really messed up all I am saying is her private life choices of cheating on someone shouldnt be a story. The charity thing should be a story her cheating on dude not so much.
Thing is, you have to read between the lines. The boyfriend story provides proof of how she manipulated people around her to meet her interests. It's not about her personal life, it's about the patterns shown in that particular story that can disproof her claims on most of the things she's done (like the harrasment claims from wizardchan)
Did I specifically say millions of people need to know? I was speaking in general for the people who might know her and may not know who she really is or how bad a person she can be. I highly doubt millions of people are even paying attention to this anyway. I am just saying her boyfriend has the right to talk about it if he chooses, he doesn't have to keep it between them. I don't completely disagree with everything you said. Obviously she isn't the first women to do this but shedding more light on situations like this does a little good in my opinion. I wanted to add, I don't feel there is anything wrong about the subject of cheaters being public. It helps people stay on their toes, not be so trusting of people so easily and to always keep their guard up. So a story like that could help some people who take the right aspects from it. In a way that is like saying if two people who were a couple and let's say were in an abusive relationship, why shouldn't that be known? So if man chooses to beat his wife, just because it's their relationship it shouldn't be known publicly? Or let's say just because a man choose to repeatedly and forcefully rape his spouse against her will certain things like this shouldn't be publicly known because it's their problem only? It is basically the same concept as cheating, some people are really gullible and need to be aware of these things that the world is not some perfect place.
Clueless. We know publishers invite people to events, we know they give away free samples, we know AMD took journalists to Hawaii. The journalists tell you that much. Or they should. Now if the dude from Kotaku had said that he was having an illegitimate relationship with the serial whore in the article, I'd be fine with it and continue not visiting Kotaku. The fact that he didn't, and the editor-in-chief said that he has no problems with it, leaves a bad taste in the mouth. The fact that she victimized a group of depressed, defenseless people on an obscure blog AND journalists standing behind her without doing any research on the subject AND refusing to aknowledge that she made up the whole thing after the facts came to light? Yea, that leaves a horrible taste in the mouth. The fact that she attacked a small bunch of developers trying to do something interesting, noble, and charitable AND journalists refused to report and had the audacity to suggest the developers donate to the aggressor. Hell, that's like raping someone and charging the victim for the service afterwards. It's not a sexist to call a sociopath a sociopath. The infidelity thing just completes her character: a wretched, psychopathic, manipulative, unfaithful, despicable biological entity.
"would you bat an eye over a male who was accused of sleeping with female journalists? " Yes, I'd have the same opinion of him as I would of a woman who cheats. "And how do you suppose the male gaming community would react to a spurned ex-girlfriend tearfully shaming this hypothetical man with an obsessively comprehensive blog?" No idea, probably not in favor of her, but then there's plenty of people not in favor of the guy either.
If someone can be bothered can someone quickly run by me and tell me what she actually did? I have heard about her being evil all week but I just ant had the time to read up about it. All I know is apparently she had sex with some guy who works at Kotaku in exchange for favourable reviews or something like that for her game? How is she the victim in all of this?
She shut down The Fine Young Capitalists which was women making games for charity when she boasts about being a feminist, as you know she exchanged sex for good press, had sex with a married man while she had a boyfriend, had sex without protection with over five men because she could only remember five of them, she lied and manipulated just about everyone around her just to get what she wanted probably more but I can't keep track of it all. Bottom line she is a despicable human being.
Thanks for the back story. Well I agree she is a horrible horrible person.
Excellent breakdown of the situation https://www.youtube.com/wat... https://www.youtube.com/wat...
why can't we all just agree what she did is wrong and that she is the definition of a whore cause of what she did and never bring her up again?
after seeing a couple of her pics. i dont understand what these guys were thinking....
When I first started hearing about this I didn't really know who she was or what was going on. Now after having looked into it I'd say she is one of the worst human beings I have heard of. The crap she pulled beyond just the sleeping around and cheating is absolutely wrong. She is throwing around accusations of abuse and other crap she has pulled just to get herself some fame and money shouldn't ever be thought of as okay. She does nothing with this but help set back actual women game developers looking to get into the business legit. The news sites who have tried to downplay this and also backed her up has also done a lot of damage to gaming journalism and this has to be talked about until something changes for the better. Bottom line she is a villainess not a victim all her misdeeds have brought this on herself.
Ewe... not only shes ugly on the inside, shes very ugly on the outside too. Don't see why 5 guys messed around with her in the first place...
Ugh, this story. Way too personal for my liking. Regardless, I think the whole "if this were a man, it wouldn't be a story" is completely BS. My gawd, if the tables were turned, and a women posted an account of the dude cheating on her and the guy "colluding" with female journalists, it would be a story. What's unfortunate is that there is indeed a real story here, but is muddied with a lot of bigoted slurs and attacks.
It has little to do with the fact that she slept around. It's how who she slept around with helped her out with her career. If I slept with my female boss, and all of a sudden I got promoted to better position then you bet people will complain.
For the people who say that if this was a man this would not even be considered a news story, remember when Tiger Woods got caught cheating with multiple people and the shit storm that arose from that? And he hadn't even tried to improve his career with that. He lost many of his sponsors and although he is still on PGA videogame covers there are other people included with him. He also took some time off from the professional golf circuit. And as i type this it literally feel irrelevant at this point but I am just putting this out there. so yea
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