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Low End Steam Machine Beats The PS4 And Xbox In Specs, Features, Performance And Price

The CyperpowerPC Steam Machine beats the PS4 and Xbox One in specs and price, especially comparing what you're getting in the package for the same price as Microsoft's offering and for $100 more than Sony's offerings. (PC, Tech)

Update Please keep in mind games on consoles has nothing to do with this article, this article is about specs, performance, features and price

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Axios2   26d ago | Off topic | show | Replies(20)
KionicWarlord222   26d ago | Trolling | show | Replies(2)
98xpresent  +   26d ago
Consoles will always win in the exclusive category.
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darx  +   25d ago
Depends
Bloodborn  +   25d ago
PS1, PS2 and PS3 all had many great exclusives that I would consider "must have". From Spyro & Crash to God Of War & Shadow of the Colossus to Uncharted, Demon's Souls and Journey these consoles were packed with countless high quality games. Steam is great but I wouldn't want to miss Sony's first party releases.
UltimateMaster  +   25d ago
PlayStation has always had a great amount of bad ass exclusives that never ceased to disappoint me in any given generation.

Performance-wise, it is the most powerful of all consoles.
Granted, when you spend 2000$~4000$ on a device, you'd expect to have more power than a 400$ one.
SilentNegotiator  +   25d ago
"$500 PC beats Ps4/Xbone in hardware in some categories, features (once you buy yourself a copy of Windows), and loses to both consoles in price"

Fixed. BS article title.
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Mr Pumblechook  +   25d ago
Article update says "Please keep in mind games on consoles has nothing to do with this article."

However with a headline like "Low End Steam Machine Beats The PS4 And Xbox In Specs, Features, Performance And Price" it has obviously been written to invite 'lively debate' about PC vs consoles, cheeky!
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rocketpanda  +   24d ago
@SilentNegotiator,

Steam machines run on SteamOS, which is free. So in terms of price it is still a cheap option. Although I want to see like for like comparisons in performance with multi platform games. Quoting specs always looks good on paper.
SilentNegotiator  +   24d ago
You'll be missing out on 99% of PC games without Windows, though.
XBLSkull  +   24d ago
PC will always have the power advantage, but the best game franchises are on consoles. That isn't to say PC doesn't have some great games you can't get anywhere else. I own all 3 myself PS4/X1/PC so I can play everything I want to. Anyone who limits themselves to one platform is doing it wrong, especially if that one is a PC - you simply don't have the option of playing the best franchises.
darx  +   24d ago
@XBLskull

Boy are you wrong!
MrSwankSinatra  +   25d ago
Actually no they don't because it's subjective topic. Each person has their own preference.
mixolydian_id  +   25d ago
Exactly,
Looking at the games people started highlighting above.
People speak of Ps1 like is was the holy grail of games... IMO, it wasn't.

I always found Nintendo were the best back then.

Street fighter was amazing back in the day. Tekken was a total dive for years. Smash bros in a totally different way, still kicks it's arse. Thats just one genre.

Only games I ever looked towards the PS1 for were Final Fantasy and Metal gear solid, endorsed exclusives to be fair.

Its definitely down to preference, many will disagree with mine ^^^

With regards to the steam machine. Although these units are great and are working towards truly allowing developers space to create their games (Everyone else has to conform to limited specs etc).
They aren't going to offer the same services. For playing games im sure they're great, but they won't do much far from it for a while... how will they deal with cloud compute?

Nothing is replaceable so in a few years time... like a P_C... you'll find yourself looking for a new one.

As for services, you won't get famed, EA access or PSnow, 3D blu-ray, external support, skype, DLNA support, xbox controller, PSMove, Occulus, Morpheus, Marketplace, Trophys and achievements, gamertags... the list is ENDLESS.

Might as well just invest in a PC... if you have one already, get an upgrade (graphics card, ssd, Motherboard/CPU)

As you can tell, Im very much two-track minded on the steam box idea.
marloc_x  +   24d ago
What on earth could make a console experience unique again?
clmstr  +   25d ago
Being a PC-only gamer at the moment (getting a PS4 soon), I agree. Right now, consoles have a wider variety/choice of different games of different genres. That's why I'm getting a PS4, it has all the games I want to play that come out in the near future.
Eiffel  +   25d ago
What are you talking about? Consoles are still missing entire genres compared to PC.
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Stapleface  +   25d ago
I have a ps4, and when I look at the Library available of ps4, versus what's on pc, I'm actually looking at it right now. Your absolutely wrong. That's not even an opinion. It has far less variety/choice of different games. The ps4 library will never touch the size and amount of game types that Steam has. It just won't be around long enough. I can't argue the last part of your statement as it's your opinion. But to say there is a wider variety to choose from on ps4 is delusional. Ps4 hasn't broke 1,000 games(not even close). Steam has over 3,000. AAA, indie, some games I don't know where they sit, in any genre you can think of,a genre or two that you will barely find on console..
clmstr  +   25d ago
Where did I say PS4/Xbone have more games of different genres than PC? I clearly said "consoles". That means I include both PS3 and X360 in this list. Of course current gen consoles are not able to compete with PC in terms of games genres right now.
starchild  +   25d ago
That doesn't make any sense. Do I have to buy all the consoles to compete with the PC? If so, I guarantee you are going to spend a lot more buying all the consoles than any decent PC.

You only talked about getting a PS4 anyway. Now you're trying to act like all the consoles beat the PC together. That's not what you said originally.

IF you are getting PS4 to enjoy some of the exclusives I think that is a good idea. That's what I did. But it's for the exclusives, since 90% of the games coming out on PS4 are games that are also on PC.
mixolydian_id  +   25d ago
Sounds like you made your mind up ages ago...
joab777  +   25d ago
It depends on what u want. With access to steam and mods for your favorite games.

Let's say u have a PS4 and now u can buy and cheap Steamboat to get access to PC gaming. Thats perfect scenario to me.

I could never understand how they were going to compete with and much less powerful machine for more $. Ppl who want to spend $800-$1000 will buy a PC.
fredrikpedersen  +   24d ago
I'm sorry... but "Steamboat"?
TheDevKit  +   25d ago
Which console?
gamepard  +   25d ago
now with their steam let them go play Bloodborne
kingduqc  +   25d ago
There is over 22 000 games on pc. The biggest console library by far is the ps2 with shy of 3000 games. Ps4 and xbone don't even have in total 300 games each as of right now and most of them are on pc.

So yeah. "meh"
shysun  +   25d ago
22000 games on pc since last year?!? o_O
DualWielding  +   25d ago
But the steam machine only plays natively games made for Linux which are mostly indies
mixolydian_id  +   25d ago
They're clearly having more trouble pushing the consoles this time around.

Games are late and sparse in number.

Hence why there's so much deliberation.

The reason the last generation dragged on was because the consoles were actually totally sufficient just power deficient. The corporate business's ran out of new ideas ages ago... they're all looking to "new media" to push their devices. Ask yourself what features from this gen couldn't be implemented last gen?

Just how can you please an 80 million strong user base with some new that's sure to catch on?

What really annoys me is that they're all taking such a gamble on things like.

Dualshock touchpad (fecking wank)
Kinect 2.0 (Had to be released after to redeem the first)
Wii U touch screen (no more nunchuk wankery, just the pleasure of beating your friends who're completely distracted by the screen)
Project Morpheus/Occulus (VR is another gimmick smh)
Illumiroom (Won't work because of differentiating colour palettes within your own room)

Sigh.. it's not getting any better, Im becoming more and more disappointed with this generation of consoles.
UnwanteDreams  +   24d ago
All those 22000 games and less than 300 worth downloading. I bought into the PC bs last year and I'm still wondering what I was missing. Dont take me wrong PC has some cant miss games but nothing that worth spending more than the price of a PS4 to play. Just my opinion.
Chrischi1988  +   25d ago
Lol no, this is purely based on opinion. I for one know many, who wouldnt game if it wasnt for the RTS genre or most MMOs. To call a Starcraft, Warcraft, Dota, League of Legends, Command and Conquer, Diablo2 (D3 first, too), Counter Strike, Quake, Sim City, Age of Empires, World of Warcraft and Anno or all kinds of strategic games any less important for gaming is a pure joke. PC gaming defined the so called online gaming. It was there a decade before consoles. Not trying to bash consoles, I love them, but if I read such nonsense, I cannot hold back. Some of the greatest games are only on PC. This is purely subjective of course, but then also say so.
BG11579  +   24d ago
People are seeing this the wrong way and aren't asking the right question.
If PC is so doing so well, why is Valve creating systems that follow many of the consoles directives?
Anybody dares to answer this question.
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UnwanteDreams  +   24d ago
If console gaming went away PC elitists would be screwed. You think PC gamers could support the gaming industry enough that it wouldnt crash? I dont.
Corpser  +   25d ago
Consoles? All of them combined together? It's not like one console can play the exclusives on other consoles
Big_Game_Hunters  +   25d ago
Maybe all consoles combined
spoonard  +   25d ago
Not to mention every PS4 title that is released works on EVERY PS4. Will EVERY PC title released work on that Steam box for the next 7 years?

Another thing about the PS/Console comparison is the amount of power needed on a PC to achieve the same results on a console. The ratio is not even close to being even.
Seafort  +   25d ago
Does every PS1, PS2 and PS3 game work on the PS4? And will all PS5 games work on all the other Playstations? :)

All PC games work on the PC platform. The consoles can't even compare to the amount of games on PC as they don't have any backwards compatibility.

This is why you are getting milked with these remastered versions of 2+ year old games on new consoles.
tee_bag242  +   25d ago
You all some games running at 30fps with dips working?
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UnwanteDreams  +   24d ago
Meanwhile they are still charging money for games like System Shock on steam. How old is that one?
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DoctorJones  +   24d ago
@UnwanteDreams

And Sony are selling ps1 games on their store, how old are they?.

What's your point?

Oh yeah I forgot, you don't have one.
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geddesmond  +   25d ago
Yeah true some of my favorite series are only found on consoles. I never really gamed on PCs for the fact that a high end PC takes up too much space, i suck at playing Keyboard and mouse and they can be real expensive and really easy to mess up if you have no knowledge about PCs like I do but if the steambox does what it promises they I might buy one for multiplat games.
frostypants  +   25d ago
Stop trying to make the Steam Machine happen. It's dead, people. No one is going to buy this. We all know it. Seriously...who here will buy this? Don't lie, now. Yeah, that's what I thought...consolers will buy a console and PC gamers will buy a real PC. Nobody asked for this. Nobody wants it. It solves no problem and has no market.
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jholden3249  +   24d ago
I'm not arguing that I would buy it, but can we please stop using the 'nobody asked for it' excuse? Almost all my favorite games are games that I never asked for. Almost all my favorite consoles are consoles that I never asked for. It's not their job to wait tables and take orders of what we want. It's their job to create something new and enticing that they anticipate we will want. And maybe we will, maybe we won't. But if platform manufactures only made what people ask for can you imagine what kind of gaming environment we'd be in right now?

People only ever ask for the same old thing over and over again. Thank goodness they know better than to just make what people ask for.
frostypants  +   24d ago
@jholden3249, fair enough. But that doesn't change my point that it solves no problem and has no market. Sometimes a product no one asked for succeeds because people didn't KNOW they wanted it. This is not such a product. The fact that I got 8 disagrees but no cogent counter-argument other than yours (which was good) kind of proves my theory that the only people hyping this are PC gamers who think it will bring a new audience to the PC gaming community, which clearly won't happen. Otherwise, I'd have expected some PC fanboys to jump in and insist that they'd buy one...but they know they won't. People WISH the Steam Machine would succeed...but they can't give a good argument for why it won't fail miserably.

1 year from now no one will be talking about the Steam Machine. Hell, hardly anyone's been talking about them for 6 months now.
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gapecanpie  +   24d ago
It said Steam Machine which is based on Linux which is free....

your argument is invalid...

As for games exclusivity that's a matter of opinion and personal taste....

As of lately I find PS4 games so far to be very boring/crappy and now more famous games that are actually good are coming over to the pc like MGS 5 and Grand Thief 5 which were the only games I was looking forward to on the ps4.....
UnwanteDreams  +   24d ago
Thank god I game on consoles. I cant imagine waiting that long to play gt5. Thats just sad.
Vladplaya  +   24d ago
Exclusives, the "go to" console fan argument. Sad thing is, PC beats consoles even there heh
ShaunCameron  +   24d ago
Too bad the PC doesn't have exclusives of importance, though.
Dr Face Doctor  +   24d ago
Well they certainly aren't winning that category in terms of quantity.
The_Infected  +   26d ago
"Low End Steam Machine Beats The PS4 And Xbox In Specs, Features, Performance And Price"

And? Console gamers will be console gamers as PC gamers will be PC gamers. Besides I believe consoles get about double the performance due to dedicated hardware vs same hardware in a PC.

Besides I like PS4 exclusives better than any other platform. That's just me though.
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Torque_CS_Lewith  +   25d ago
I am genuinely curious to find out if you feel the same way when Xbox and PlayStation are being compared. Why does it seem that this logic only applies when PlayStation is being compared to a superior hardware device?
Why is it not okay that one person prefers Xbox over playstation because of whatever reasons that they have like exclusives, controllers, network ect.

I am NOT trying to start a console war, I'm just kind of fed up with people who only become logical when it suits them, not that you are one of those people. But I am fairly certain that a number of people that I agreed with you definitely do fall into that category.
I really am just tired of people who go on and on about hardware specs and resolution and frame rates and as soon as the superiority of PC is brought into the picture people start talking about console exclusives and blah blah blah.

Stop moving the goal posts.
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Dirtnapstor  +   25d ago
When it's all said and done, side by side, everyone knows both consoles provide some great gaming experiences. Console wars are good with respect to pushing developers, but really as consumers, its just a fun pissing match...at least for the sane gamers. Does one console have a step up? Yep. And I like that. Makes for a better industry in the long haul.
RoninRaven  +   25d ago
@Torque Finally someone that has brain cells left. I really don't care about these pointless flame wars but NOTHING can change the fact that both Sony and Microsoft launched obsolete machines for this generation ans no matter how many exclusives they'll have it won't change that. 4k resolution will be the norm in a few years for even mid range pc and right now consoles struggle with 1080. And if resolution doesn't matter why is it that every time someone compares the x1 with the PS4 this topic always comes up. Nobody talks about exclusives then.
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GamingTruth  +   25d ago
because im here, my reason for bringing up exclusives is cause to me they look better than anything on pc out or coming out, thats my reason
starchild  +   25d ago
Yep, you nailed it. This is one of the things I hate most about many of the users on N4G. The degree of their goalpost-moving and hypocrisy is astounding.

When the PC is brought into the picture suddenly graphical fidelity and all the other strengths of the PC don't matter and it's all about subjective things like exclusives preference. But somehow they don't apply that same logic when it comes to people preferring an Xbox or Nintendo console. They can't just let those people be.

@GamingTruth

You should change your name to GamingDelusion, because all we see coming from you is delusion. I have a PS4 and the two best-looking games on the system are Killzone Shadow Fall and Infamous Second Son, both of which I own. They are definitely very nice looking games, but they don't beat the best looking games on the PC.

As far as upcoming games on the consoles, well they aren't out yet. We don't know how the final games will look on our screens and we don't know how other future games will compare. There are lots of upcoming games that haven't been announced or shown yet.

All I know is that, while some console exclusives last gen were very nice looking, none of them compared to the best looking games I played on PC. I don't think anything is going to change this generation in that regard.
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gapecanpie  +   24d ago
@Torque_CS_Lewith

I only see Sony fanboys do this as they can't accept the fact there is hardware far more superior then there outdated ps4 ... Which make them look very insecure...
Daniel_Potter  +   25d ago
I doubt that the majority of pc gamers started out on pc
Do you find it weird how steam has just 25 million users back in 2010, and suddenly in 2014 they have 75 million users?
Do you really think that those that joined between the 2010-2014 period are complete new to the gaming industry? Obviously they all migrated from console. And i can understand that
Valve doesn't charge people to game online. They provide insanely huge discounts for games. PC gaming provided gaming from past, present and the future, what i mean is backward compatibility, which Sony decided to patch out. Anyone remembers greediness of Microsoft, how they decided to release their console a year early and most costumers got a RROD? As of right now, most games on these next gen consoles are remasters. Pretty sure that would make some people make the switch.
Seafort  +   25d ago
Valve doesn't own the PC platform. They are just a store front for digital games.

I admit that Valve has supported PC gaming more than Microsoft ever have and MS own the OS we play on which says it all about MS supporting one of their own platforms.

I started out on consoles with Sega Master System. I only got my first PC in 2001 but have been playing PC games ever since along with all Playstation consoles to play their exclusives.

I have never had an Xbox console and never will.

I have been with steam since they first started though because of Half Life 2.
KillerResistance  +   24d ago
Double the performance? We PC gamers had 1080p 60fps locked for the longest time now, we're already in next gen, my old 2010 graphics card is as strong as xbox one graphics. Dedicated Hardware just means u cant upgrade it to something better meaning u have to buy a whole new machine to go to next gen while i just have to upgrade like ONE part
Theo1130  +   26d ago
Can you plug in a M/KB to this thing? I just want to play dota on it.
xtremexx  +   25d ago
into the steam machine? i would think so since its technically a PC.
masterfox  +   25d ago
awesome!!!, I'm ready to play Uncharted 4, Driveclub, The order 1886, Bloodborn, GT7, Ryme, LBP 3, soon the announce God War on the STEAM MACHINE!!! ......
what??

wait a minute I can't play those in that thing ?? aww well is ok I will be able to play Witcher 3 on max settings right?? what not even that ? da hell >:(
OK.. ok..

I will be able to play Star Citizen on max settings!!!

what ? NOT EVEN THAT ???

Why the funk I would want a damn steam machine then ???

waste of money :/
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Torque_CS_Lewith  +   25d ago | Well said
http://n4g.com/news/1569856...
Less than 2 days ago this one was talking about hardware inferiorities. Now that PS4 hardware is being reported to be inferior to this Steam box, this one has now flipped the script and is talking about game preferences.
Doge  +   25d ago
Don't bother with him. His message was loud and clear.
Volkama  +   25d ago
I want to bubble you up for well said AND for funny. Because that comment is both.
RoninRaven  +   25d ago
This is the second post of yours that I read today and I must say dear Sir that you restored some of my faith in the N4g community. Well done and have a bubble vote.
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Torque_CS_Lewith  +   25d ago
Thank you Volkama and RoninRaven for the props
GamingTruth  +   25d ago
ps4 is inferior to steam box and pc, but the graphics of pc and steam box arent showing the superiority vs ps4 exclusives
SlapHappyJesus  +   25d ago
All right, kids. Let's play the "tout console exclusives as we conveniently forget PC gets a laundry list of exclusive content every year" game.

@Torque

Thanks for pointing out that other bit of fanboy hypocrisy on masterfox's part.
aquamala  +   25d ago
Of course, we're in an PC article, specs and performance don't matter here, it's all about the games!

and PC can't play PS4 exclusives? you don't say. can PS4 play PC,Xbox,WiiU,3DS exclusives? it can't even play PS3 exclusives
GamingTruth  +   25d ago
you also cant show me a pc equivalent of many ps3 exclusive games in graphics let alone ps4
SlapHappyJesus  +   25d ago
@GamingTruth

That's a bit of gaming lies coming from you.
Rivitur  +   25d ago
Do you know what an emulator is? Or how about PC exclusives do you know what that is? Your vision is very narrow young one.
nycgamer4ever  +   25d ago
In his defense buyingva low spec steam machine Is a complete waste of money. It's pretty much a crapnpc which Will be obsolete in a couple of years.
AndrewLB  +   25d ago
Then buy a higher up model! PS4 costs $399 up front, but after paying for online gaming for the next 6 years, the price suddenly skyrockets to $699!! I bet you'll be able to buy a much more powerful steam machine for that kind of coin.
tee_bag242  +   25d ago
Nice list of games but none of them are even out.
Not exactly a good attempt if you're trying to upsell.
Seems like you're grasping at straws.
Consoleslateagain  +   25d ago
you do know that ps4 doesnt play any multiplat maxxed out right? and the exclusive ill admit looks good but are overhyped because of the simple fact that theyre ps exclusives. sony could put a ps flag on a turd and you would love it

ps fanboys. where do they come up with this bs seriously.
Rob_Ko  +   25d ago
who cares, with no exclusive games no conole owner will switch to it anyway.
Eiffel  +   25d ago
Besides the hundreds already exclusive to PC if not thousands should we include the last decade.

https://docs.google.com/doc...
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SlapHappyJesus  +   25d ago
PC has no exclusives?

My Steam account has been feeding me lies for years.
chaldo  +   25d ago
@SlapHappyJesus and @Eiffel

Shhh, don't feed the ignorant :P
Volkama  +   25d ago
Hmmm that could be true. I have loads of exclusive games on my Steam library too, but often I don't get round to trying them so I cannot actually verify that they are real.

I could be in for a very disappointing retirement (that's when I plan to work through the back log)
DualWielding  +   25d ago
Pc has exclusives, syeam machine doesnt. Do you know you cannot run windows games on this unless you buy windows 8 separetely and dual boot? And if you do that then the steam machine is just a crappy pc
Debaitable  +   25d ago
Star Citizen
tee_bag242  +   25d ago
Seriously, is this your first generations on gaming or something? PC tears the consoles a new with the amount of exclusives it has.
Clown_Syndr0me  +   25d ago
I wouldnt switch to it, but Id like one as I dont have a good PC.
If digital really is the future, MS and Sony need to rethink their strategies because if I was to buy digital, and I had this "steam machine" I know what platform I'd be getting it on!
castillo  +   25d ago
Had it been the idea of a different person then I might care , but seeing it wasn't I have desire for it or that it be successfully .
--bienio--  +   25d ago
Suprise??
sashimi  +   25d ago
branded PCs lol people should stop comparing em to consoles. While we at it my pc runs circles around these steam machines.
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iamnsuperman  +   25d ago
Not really a surprise. Like it will not be a surprise when the games will suffer from a lack of optimisation. It is all well and good having a system the beats the consoles but the games that come to console are heavily optimised. If your going to get a steam box I would get one a bit more powerful. Or better yet get a more PC
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Daniel_Potter  +   25d ago
Well, the graphics card that they included runs battlefield 4 in 1080p on ultra with about 52-63 fps
http://www.bit-tech.net/har...
PS4 runs in 900p, with 50-60 fps as well
GamingTruth  +   25d ago
yeah thats really maxing ps4 out
HaydenJameSmith  +   25d ago
Who cares I rather buy both the PS4 and Xbox One than that CyberPowerPC Steam Machine anyway... PC Gaming is not gonna get the same support consoles do anytime soon so I'll stick to console gaming as my focus for now. Steam Machines might be the start of something special for PC Gaming but gonna be a long time before it takes off cause most of its potential audience already have PCs and what developers will ever choose Linux over Windows ? when everyone games on windows... Steam Machines will be fighting an uphill battle for a while.
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stragomccloud  +   25d ago
And yet the PC gaming catalog stretches all the back to the earliest games. PC gaming has more exclusives from Indie devs, PC gaming lets you mod your games, and PCs support emulators, which let you play pretty much any console game up to the Gamecube/PS2 era. Most games after that era have PC version.
HaydenJameSmith  +   25d ago
I'm not that interested in playing Games I have already played, I bought Next Gen for new games not old ones, as did most people, so your comment on emulation pretty much is irrelvant to the success of PC over Console especially when the games your talking about emulating were console games... that is not support, neither is mods... thats all PC gaming has going for it mods, emulation, free to play and Indie Devs, two things, F2P and Indie support, of which MS and Sony are trying to provide for as well. So in conclusion PC Gaming is great because of their community but its not heavily supported by that many AAA Devs... I am interested in getting Games and Content first and Exclusive games that MS and Sony provide, which is why I game on Consoles primarily. Until PC gets that sort of support Console Gaming will be more successful, PC gaming will always be superior in performance cause of its scalability between hardware.
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Seafort  +   25d ago
@HaydenJameSmith

Please check your indie and AAA titles and see which games are already on PC or coming to it soon.

The only devs/publishers not supporting PC gaming is the console manufacturers themselves.

Every other dev/publisher not owned or bought out/bribed by Sony, MS or Nintendo are fully in support of the PC platform.

Whether you like it or not the PC platform probably has more gaming support than any of the gaming platforms.
HaydenJameSmith  +   25d ago
@Seafort

PC is just another platform that is seconded to Consoles... Content and Games always come to Consoles first, you know why because they sell more... there is a reason why MS promote console gaming over PC gaming. Btw I never said PC doesn't get support, just not the same support as Consoles and that is why it won't be as successful... that's where Steam Machine could be a stepping stone to that success, leading back to my earlier point.
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Consoleslateagain  +   25d ago
"Btw I never said PC doesn't get support, just not the same support as Consoles"

i fail to understand what this means. more support equals console exclusives? which is little. so whats pc exclusives, and exclusive features... less support? another one pulling sh!t outta his @$$.

consoles are just mainstream. it get more buzz in the streets. thats about it. they have exclusive buy console makers to get customers interested in them. like everyone stated its not like pc isnt going to play new games. mods are support and welcomed in the pc gaming community. pc also have aaa exclusives but i doubt you will see that. console fanboys usually dont give credit to them until they are ported to consoles( D#, the witcher, BF, PS2, etc). then again they do that to all pc games its trash until its on consoles remember minecraft.

"PC is just another platform that is seconded to Consoles... Content and Games always come to Consoles first, you know why because they sell more"

lmao what. do you know how many games launch on pc. i guess you are talking about over hyped games, and even with that content and games is king on pc. i seriously wondering what do you consider content because consoles get nickeled and dimed for content even ones you already paid for. no mp, devs rarely give free content on consoles, lack of new gameplay and basically copying indies, support visual upgrade packs after the game launches, free mp maps for fans, constant flow of updates and themes for mp( ex killing floor halloween and chrismas theme), dev tools to help community mod and create new thing in game(Arma, wasnt it last week yall was jumping up and down for a game that started as a arma mod).

i seem like console fanboys keep grasping for straws. not saying your one, dont remember you making any fanboy remarks but your talking BS. some exclusives made by console makers and the little bit LITTLE bit of 3rd party console exclusive dont outweigh the content and exclusive pc have. and if your talking content like dlc that comes out at the same time no matter what platform. indie games yall are now hyping up alway comes to pc first and some been on pc for the longest. people are still waiting for ps2.

also games get patched at a faster rate on pc if the devs isnt incompetent. games that usually take long to patch usually take long to do so across the board. ex bf4, gtav, wd.

also pc gamers have a higher standard when it comes to content, gameplay, gfx. we are not easily fooled just because a game is exclusive or have shiny gfx. if the content and quality is not worth the price we will wait to the price go down. if the gameplay is not good we will not play it. we dont pretend a game it good just because the gfx and that its exclusive. this is starting to seem like a rule that console fanboys live by.
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tee_bag242  +   25d ago
@ HaydenJameSmithYes

Yet here you are paying twice for last gen games and still seeing them at less quality than old PC releases... sad

Where are the next gen AAA games on the consoles so far ? All I'm seeing is stale old recipes...last gen corridor shooters with last gen PC graphics. Yawn
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stragomccloud  +   24d ago
@consoleslateagain
Well said. Bubbles good sir!
Dirtnapstor  +   25d ago
Steam machines in the living room. Good idea, but really, wouldn't visual output capabilities limit the "power" of a PC? The standard TV most are playing on wont provide the support those "powerful" machines need to look good... unless investing in 4Ks. So what would be the point? IMO until super high-end TV costs come way down, consoles in the living room will remain supreme...check that, consoles will bury PCs in the living room no matter what. Exclusives will provide that fuel.

I think articles like this spawn from PCs newfound Napoleon Complex.
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Clunkyd  +   25d ago
This is the problem with steam machines, it's a computer! Why am I going to limit myself to only playing games and not use it as a computer? I wouldn't want to plug in a PC to my living room set. That's not convenient and its a pain to use.

That's why I believe Steam Machines will fail. This is why we have consoles, not to mention, great first party titles.
aquamala  +   25d ago
owning both PS4 and XB1 and paying $100 a year to play online, you're spending as much as a high end PC
matt139  +   25d ago
But not in exclusives :)
ramtah  +   25d ago
okei it has better spec then the xbone and ps4 but does it have games?
incendy35  +   25d ago
Way more games right now than X1 or PS4. Steam dominates the indie scene. Plus all the old games like Arkham City, Skyrim etc feel like next gen games on a good PC.

Additionally, all PC games are backwards compatible. So basically your library goes all the way back to the first game ever made haha.
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incredibleMULK  +   25d ago
That's why I sold my ps3 and 360 and made me a mid range rig gtx 760 with 8 gigs of ram i5 CPU. I made it for crysis multi player until gamefly shut down multuplayer. Playing part 3 now on origin. But damn it was worth it. Bf3 raphics are better than ps4 bf4 graphics!

So now I use x1 for online multi player cuz live rocks. I use ps4 for exclusives like last of us and infamous. I use PC for old games from last Gen and cheap new ones.

Good games like wolfenstein I play on x1 and p4 for fun factor and achievements and plan on buying again on steam when they hit $5. So I play all three versions. (I only do that with really good games like mafia 2, wolfenstein,crysis, etc)

I think this is the best way: play best multi player community on live IMO, Sony exclusives, and own best version cheaply on steam. And finally best games toward gamer score and platinums/trophies
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incendy35  +   25d ago
I recently built a steam machine for my living room. Overall it ended up costing around 700 dollars, but I could have gone quite a bit lower if I opted for an i5 processor. I ended up ditching the SteamOS fairly quick and going with Windows though, too many games do not work with SteamOS right now, plus you might want games on services like Origin etc as well as Steam.

Been playing all the TellTale games on it since they aren't on X1 or PS4 yet. Also been playing a lot of Skyrim.

Overall, I am enjoying it. And if you love the indie scene it is a must have ""console"" ;.
zerog  +   25d ago
Saying you get better performance is utter nonsense though. Higher spec does not equal higher performance comparing console to pc. Consoles will always recieve farbtter optimization while pc has to brute force its performance.
TonyPT  +   25d ago
That really depends on the game studio that develops the game. Aside from that, you can always tune your pc settings in game for better graphics or performance, depending on your gameplay choices.
zerog  +   25d ago
Tuning your pc settings is not the same as optimization though. All tuning does is allow you to give or take on various points of performance depending on your rigs capabilities. The truth told which pc boys hate but is none the less true is that spec for spec a pc will never out perform a console simply because the hardware in consoles is fixed. Just to make the point try to build any pc setup with only 512MBs of ram and see if you get anywhere close to the performance of the games that came out on ps3 or 360 in the last couple years. I bet the results will be laughable.
moegooner88  +   25d ago
100 dollars more expensive than the PS4, but it beats it in price cause the author thinks so, load of BS.
Spotie  +   25d ago
And if it has comparable or slightly better specs, it won't actually have better performance, either.

I'm not one of those that thinks PC doesn't have any games or anything ridiculous like that. But it's stupid of some of the people in here to cry about hypocrisy when someone who compares two consoles doesn't see the merit in comparing a console to a PC.

XB1 vs PS4 makes sense. Fundamentally, on every level, comparing the two is logical. Comparing either- or the Wii U, for that matter- to PC does NOT make sense, because they're not similar products.

I don't know why the analogy of different types of cars doesn't make sense to people, as it's the same thing: different products for different segments of the same market. A sports car does not directly compete with an SUV.
starchild  +   25d ago
Your analogy fails because these are all game systems. They play 90% the same exact games. They achieve the same exact purpose at the end of the day: to play games. The difference in game libraries is the biggest difference between all of the platforms and that cuts across different consoles just as much as between PC and any given console.

Fanboys want to artificially exclude the PC because they want to push around other console gamers, nothing more.

When considering which platform to play multiplatform games and exclusives on the PC is as viable a choice as any other. This imaginary line separating consoles and PC doesn't really exist the way some of you think.

Yes, the PC has certain genres that consoles lack and appeal to a different audience, but there is also a HUGE amount of overlap between consoles and PC. There are a large number of PC gamers that used to be console gamers and vice versa. Many of us own gaming PCs AND consoles.

This proves that by and large gamers are gamers. The situation is fluid. Consoles and PCs attract many of the same people. People move to and from each platform. Each gamer is confronted with the choice of which platform or platforms to game on, and this most certainly includes the PC.

People aren't artificially restricted from gaming on certain platforms. There is no gaming police that is going to stop you and ask you for papers that identify you as a PC gamer or console gamer and turn you away from buying a PC because you are a registered "console gamer".

This is why barring the PC from the conversation makes no sense. Many of us game on PC and console. Many people considering a console are also considering getting a gaming PC. They're weighing all of their options. And in the gaming community all options should be weighed and discussed. Certain platforms shouldn't be barred from the discussion just because it suits the agenda of fanboys.
Artista  +   25d ago
These steam boxes are really enticing.. Plenty of time to weigh my options. . PC allows me to have backward compatibility, that alone is a huge plus. Instead of having platform holders like Sony and Microsoft milking me dry.
Back-to-Back  +   25d ago
In addition they also come with waiting for console games to come to pc at a much later date.

PC Gamers still have not played GTA V lmfao
Artista  +   25d ago
lol I had a console to play GTA V on, I passed on it. IDGF about GTA games .. I'm sure there are millions more on PC who don't give a F about GTA .. Besides that, who say you can't have both a console and PC?
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dcbronco  +   25d ago
In the next year or so it won't matter if you don't have a PC or if you don't have an Xbox One, you'll have both. If Microsoft goes through fully with their code once across all platforms goal every game made with DX12 will work on Xbox and the other way around. Plus phones and tablets.
uth11  +   25d ago
It runs SteamOS, not Windows. That means many AAA games won't run on it, or not run properly if using Wine.

Although long-term I do hope SteamOS becomes a force in gaming. Frequent Windows issues are a big part of what ruined PC gaming for me.
Eiffel  +   25d ago
You can install Windows to a Steam Machine, these aren't proprietary closed hardware devices like consoles. They're compact gaming PCs.
uth11  +   25d ago
But most people wouldn't want to run Windows on a console-like piece of hardware. It's not designed for that kind of environment.

That's why I like where they're going with SteamOS, but I don't think it's quite there yet.
Eiffel  +   25d ago
How can you speak for most people who otherwise wouldn't know? It's a gaming PC in a compact form with a Linux OS, they are not consoles. SteamOS runs like any other desktop OS, that's why it's also available for built PCs. There is no "environment" that it's designed for. You can use a Steam Machine just like you would a gaming PC, or sit back with a controller with Big Picture Mode. Both of these things you can already do with Windows installed on a built PC. There is no difference.
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Dlacy13g  +   25d ago
I am not going to debate specs of the machine to the consoles. Clearly its specs are on an equal footing to better levels. That said the author incorrectly places the XB1 price at $499 when in fact its been widely publicized that the Xbox One now has official SKU's at $399.00 on offer. That means the This Steam Machine is $100 more than either the PS4 or the Xbox One.

Now factor in it ships with Steam OS and not Windows and that machine is greatly reduced in terms of what you can run on it unless you choose to get Windows and install it on it. Which if you are legally upgrading that means you are probably shelling out an additional $40 for a Windows 8 key or Windows 7 will run you about $80 from what I can see. So now that useful Steam Machine is around $550 or more.

That being said...its still not a horrible deal for a nice little PC rig.
SliceOfTruth888  +   25d ago
I can buy all of the same ingredients to the best dish at any 5 star restaurant but I can assure you it won't taste the same
yezz  +   25d ago
How does it beat the PS4 in price if it's 100$ more expensive?
Dlacy13g  +   25d ago
Or the Xbox One since it now has a $399 offering? Just seems like someone is trying to make a headline.
gamingisnotacrime  +   25d ago
Specs must be fun!!!
I will be playing my ps3 ps4 PS vita and leave with a smile on my face

When PC lovers can bring something other than specs then is all good and BTW there is no contest PC specs are always better, but consoles are where the gaming community is having its fun
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Insane087  +   25d ago
This would be the perfect multiplat machine! for the price of a new console game you can usually get the game and the season pass... but then theres ubisoft and ea games which use their own stuff on pc so not all multiplats. I was exited when these were first announced but kinda don't see a place for them
edqe  +   25d ago
There is a lot of new hardware coming to the market this year so things are going to change better for Steam Machines.

I definitely hope SteamOS is going to be a success on PC side in future and Microsoft would concentrate to consoles. SteamOS is much more open and uses industry de facto open standard which already makes it much more tempting.
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edonus  +   25d ago
This is just them trying to sell these Steam machines on very limited cherry picked things. I dont game on PC now because I dont like the eco system. They are trying to sell me on power and features and performance instead of what really matters... will I be entertained.

As of right now the most entertaining device is the X1. It has delivered beautiful games and great features. I think these Steam machine ar suppose to have an HDMI pass through but with out a kinect to unify everything with the IR blaster and add voice commands its a crippled feature.
CertifiedGamer  +   25d ago
Whoever wrote this article act like if Sony and Microsoft are going to sit on their asses and watch the competition do something their console can obvious do. I laugh at articles that think like this blogger does because he doesn't give constructive arguements but tries to push his biased ideals without considering both sides of the arguement.
jcnba28  +   25d ago
This is good and all but these steam machines don't have the games I want to play. Zelda, Smash, Starfox, Metroid, Bloodborne, Uncharted 4 etc. will never come to steam.
edqe  +   25d ago
Actually you are able to play Zelda, Metroid, Star Fox, etc. Are you able to play those with PS4 or XBox One?
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jcnba28  +   25d ago
What? I was comparing these steam boxes to consoles...
edqe  +   24d ago
@jcnba28: I thought you said that you are not able to play Zelda, Metroid, Star Fox, etc. with Steam Machine which is not true. You are able to play those games on Steam Machines.

I was interested if you are able to play those games with PS4 or XBox One.
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OpenGL  +   25d ago
This comparison is pretty flawed, both the PS4 and Xbox One GPUs are based on Volcanic Islands, the R270 is based on Southern Islands. Each Volcanic Islands ACE can schedule 4x as many compute jobs and the PS4 GPU has 8 ACEs while the R270 and even R280 only have 2.

When you consider the PS4's low-level API GNM, it will run circles around this $500 Steam machine in a year.

If you are going to game on PC build your own tower.
ShowGun901  +   25d ago
you can even put steam OS on it!

never buy a boxed pc (even a steam box) if you have the knowledge to build your own... you'll save money and put money into the components YOU care about, not whats been decided for you. if you want something pre-assembled, get a ps4! then build your gaming rig, have the best of both worlds, and laugh when these idiots go off on a tangent about console vs pc!
Eludin  +   25d ago
This!
MaxwellBuddha  +   25d ago
You're not a PC gamer unless you built whatever it is you're playing on (price doesn't matter). It's almost like a rite of passage.
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