Bungie On Destiny level cap, raids and game size

After the 4.8 million players who got stuck in to the online first-person shooter laid down their weapons, Bungie had questions to answer. For the first time Destiny had bared its soul, and we all had our say on what we saw. Like, for example, why limit raids to just six players? And why can they only be played with friends? Oh, and why is the game limited to just one area on each of the four worlds included at launch? And what's up with the level cap? Just how high can you go?

At Gamescom Eurogamer sat down with director of production Jonty Barnes and lead concept artist Jesse van Dijk to put these questions, and more, to Bungie.

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ATi_Elite1368d ago

"Level Cap" for a game that NOT a MMO it sure does have a lot of MMO characteristics. lol

cl19831368d ago

How ever leveling doesn't stop your character from advancing in sub classes.

GameSpawn1368d ago

Yup. As mentioned in the article, 20 is the soft cap (earned through experience points) and 30 is the hard cap (through the Light things).

In all honesty with most games once you hit the developer's intended level cap you are basically a tank. There is some diversity between the classes and subclasses that may still make a difference in PvP, but as far as PvNPC once you reach the cap there will probably be very little that could stand against you (especially with high level equipment). I imagine the high level raids will still have 1 or 2 boss enemies that a fully leveled character would still take some time to take down, but 2-3 fully leveled co-op'ers could chew through real easily.

uptownsoul1368d ago

@ATi_Elite You do realize that "Level Cap" is not exclusive to MMO's…They're very standard in single player RPG's like the Fallout, Elder's Scroll, Mass Effect--Pretty much EVERY RPG has a "Level Cap"

ShoryuSwordsman1367d ago

@gamespawn I guess u don't play too many mmo's. Maybe in a typical rpg, specifically jrpg's, once you cap out you are pretty much unstoppable. But everything has end-game content. even in FF14, when i already had nearly full iLvL90 gear(back when 90 was the item level cap) it is literally impossible to solo, or even duo most dungeons. Most mmo's also follow that format. and even if we can solo a lot of things, there's hard mode and likely a hero/hell mode (or something of the sort) that will be just as difficult, even with maxed gear, but will yield much better loot than the lower difficulties.

morganfell1367d ago

Importantly, the remark was made that people reached Level 8 rapidly to which Barnes responded, "In the Beta". So obviously he is indiciating that progression will be slowed as compares to what we experienced previously in the Alpha and Beta.

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Volkama1368d ago

It's Activision. You can be quite confident that they have a solid plan in place to monetise the game beyond the initial purchase.

Sokol1368d ago

This is Activision, I expect numerous and expensive DLC to hit Destiny within the first 2-3 months of the game release. So much content appears to be locked up I have a sad feeling the DLC won't be the only aspect that gamers will have to pay for..

Personally, I had a great time playing thorough the story portion of the game and this will probably be only reason with some solo exploration on the side where I will play.

Not until price drops or the story expansions are released in a properly priced bundle.

There is nothing wrong with Destiny, no matter how much Bungie spins it , be assured, this is a MMO with numerous expensive DLC.

If this is your thing , by all means. :)

For me personally, I have no desire or time for MMO.

smt_Nocturne1368d ago (Edited 1368d ago )

i hope they don't increase Level cap later on. in Borderlands 2 i spent hours farming Bee shield, killing the Warrior for Conference Call, than they increased level which made all my gear/weapons/mods weak and i had to farm them again. i ended up asking myself why the @#$% i'm doing this ? i'll just wait for all level DLCs to get released or ask anyone for Lv72 gear.

Jdoki1368d ago

I would highly recommend going in to Destiny assuming that the level cap will be raised at some point. It will probably coincide with later expansions.

It will also be dictated by how fast the community hit level cap.

700p1368d ago

Its weird how the more i hear about this game..the less i care for it.

BrianG1368d ago

@cr33ping_death ever think he is here like me, to get information on a game that we were once hyped about?

For me the game is getting smaller and smaller. I went from a must own to definitely passing on release day. The level cap was one thing, but for this HUGE game to only have 4 locations at launch, that's a part I can't let go.

cr33ping_death1368d ago

@ brian g... with his one bubble? I highly doubt that ;)

BlackWolf121368d ago

Are you serious?

The ONE feature of this game that screams MMO to you is having a level cap?

Do you think that EVERY single RPG that was ever created had infinite leveling? Every single game that has been made with 'leveling' has a level cap. This is NOT something that WoW pioneered.

Dasteru1368d ago (Edited 1368d ago )

Not every game has a level cap. Two Worlds doesn't, neither does Tibia. There are other games also but i cannot remember the names atm.

Come to think of it, Skyrim no longer has a level cap since the Legendary update.

CrossOutPSN1367d ago

Well someone disagreed with you when all you stated were hard facts lol. don't know what that guy was getting at. And Dasteru you were able to mention 3 games that don't have level caps. this doesn't provide a strong counter argument at all if that is what you were going for. besides at least one of those games out of the three you mentioned were probably not even worth mentioning *cough* Two *cough* worlds *cough*

Dasteru1366d ago

Well he said "Every single" so the point remains. There are other games as well but i cannot remember the names. Also Two Worlds was a decently fun game, most people just didn't give it a chance because of the unusual character animations and horrible voice acting.

annus1368d ago

Plenty of RPG's (even non-RPG games like CoD) have level caps, they aren't exclusive to MMOs...

The Meerkat1368d ago

My level 1 COD soldier can no-scope your Level 70 Diablo Wizard in the face.

Level numbers mean nothing without context.

CrowbaitBob1368d ago

@The Meerkat

Your COD soldier can't even breathe the same air as my Diablo Wizard.

The Meerkat1368d ago


My COD soldier has a respirator skin AND he's on a Painkiller deathstreak!

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Drithe1368d ago

I'm taking a little ride to Bungie and force them to give me this game. I will make them an offer they can't refuse. :)

End of line.

Tetsujin1368d ago

Or invite them to an Italian place and have someone hide a handgun in the toilet.

BlackWolf121368d ago

Or just wait 2 weeks and get it normally, without the need to harass the developers.

You've waited 1.5 years, 2 weeks won't kill you.

lonelyplayer1368d ago

20-30 is too low for this game IMHO. Especially when I was able to get to level 8 in few hours.

Daves1368d ago (Edited 1368d ago )

Not really, I think it will be a bit like Guild Wars (the original). 20 was the level cap, but that was just setting you up for the rest of the game.

There will be much to do beyond reaching 20.

EDIT.. Motes of light taking you to virtual 30 for one ;)

thorstein1368d ago

From the article:

"It seems like you can get to level eight pretty quickly.

Jonty Barnes: For the beta.

But 30 is the level cap?

Jonty Barnes: Yeah.

Did you speed progression up for the beta?

Jonty Barnes: There was access to certain objects you got earlier than you would have done, because we wanted to give you exposure to them in the Iron Banner. But things have changed. That's one of the reasons for wipes. There were certain things you shouldn't be getting so early. It's a different world at launch, but not entirely unfamiliar."

Jdoki1368d ago

What does level cap matter when you're having fun?

I don't get this attitude of 'race to level cap'. If the game gives me value for money and fun I don't care.

I played WoW for years and rarely hit level cap because I was just having fun exploring and rolling new characters.

mogwaii1368d ago

Thats exactly what games should be for.

BiggerBoss1368d ago

What, are you just gonna stop playing when you reach max level? There's more to the game than just leveling your character up

Back-to-Back1368d ago

Once you get to the level cap that when true pvp starts. At least that's how I am going to treat it.

ShowGun9011368d ago

yea the caps will affect PvP, so it being slightly lower makes the playing feild slightly more even... a little lol!

ramiuk11368d ago

yeah thats my worry,i got to lvl 8 within day 1 of beta ,would of prefered it to have around 70lvls like eq2 etc and then when a expansion comes on raise it by 10 or so.

either way i have cancelled my preorder because i have lost alot of antispation for this over last month.
might reorder again but unsure

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Kane221368d ago

damn, even dragon age's level cap is called big worlds with low level caps.

mrmonk1368d ago

Cannot wait for this game hurry the **** up September 9th!!! Mite have to book a day or 2 off work lol