The author tackles the stereotypes associated with console manufacturer and tries to determine if such labels are accurate.
Yea pretty much.
A gamers a gamer I don't see the need for hardcore gamers or real gamers or casual gamers but in the sense of the article if someone buys a Playstation and only uses it on weekends are they still hardcore gamers while someone who buys an XB and uses it daily are they casual gamers? I see no reason to categorize fans by which console they buy or the games they play.
PlayStation = Diversity Xbox = Pop Culture Gaming NIntendo = Family & Friends
PlayStation is Lebron James as Xbox is Paul George as Nintendo is Ricky Rubio PlayStation is Peyton Manning as Xbox is Matthew Stafford as Nintendo is Michael Sam
all 3 are consoles for gamers, all depends on the tastes of everyone. i will give credit to Wii U for the diversity and family oriented games.
I think this article is quite off, considering they are saying multiplayer is a social thing and therefore really isn't hardcore. Yet, the article suggest single player games is defined as hardcore. I have seen many different definitions of hardcore gamer, such as type of games played, even genres or length of time spent gaming, but divide it by multiplayer and single player is the most ridiculous thiing I have ever heard. By that definition, technically the Wii U is the most hardcore, because it has the least multiplayer games and barely has an online infrastructure relative to the other consoles. In fact, most of it's games are indeed single player!!! Playstation: core gamers Xbox: core & family Wii U: family Of course this is more US/Europe centric than let say if you are in Japan, which simply is almost impossible for a US based gaming console to appeal to. This is also of course based on "image" and not actuality, because frankly we do NOT know what core or hardcore gamer really is. There is no proper definition yet.
@cfc78 your spot on. I am a core gamer and I own a WiiU and Xbox one but don't own a PS4 yet but will do when the games I want come out for it. Also this Casual vs Core is a silly argument as in a way there are more casual gamers than core out there so for all we know more casual gamers could of picked up a PS4 then an Xbox One or WiiU. Gaming is not the same type of market it once was back when we had the NES, SNES and PSX as gaming is now the cool thing to be doing where back in the 70s, 80s and 90s it was still a geek thing but now its the cool thing a little bit like a IPhone or IPod. This is not a bad thing for gaming as it keeps the industry going but it has become bad in some ways as we have more YOY games then ever and some games that should sell better than they have are over looked because of this. For me the PS4 is for GT, UC, LBP ect as well as 3rd party games. The Xbox one is for Halo, Gears, Forza ect as well as 3rd party games. The WiiU is for Mario, Super Smash Bros, Zelda ect but 3rd party is not really a big thing on this console. All 3 have amazing must own IP's it just depends on what games you are into to which console you should get. Like I said I have a Xbox one as I wanted Forza 5, Titan Fall and KI, The WiiU for New Super Mario BrosU, Mario Kart 8, Pikmin 3, Windwaker and more I own. The PS4 has not got any games I want on it at the moment that are not available on the WiiU or Xbox One but when Driver Club, LBP, UC ect come along I will pickup a PS4. Everyone should enjoy the console they have and get the console that has the most games they want or if you just like to play MP games like cod ect with your mates get the one most of your mates have. All this fan boy and console ware things are just over the top and really not needed.
@mcstorm Agreed i wish everyone could afford to buy every platform instead of limiting themselves and missing out on some awesome games which EVERY platform has! I think core or casual doesn't matter as long as you love gaming! and are buying games and the games platforms which in turn is putting money back into the industry. its the fanboys who are the vermin of the industry! and who have lately made the hobby we all love not a very pleasant place.
@mikeslemonade Bad comparison, as LeBron and Manning got beaten really bad in the Finals
i certainly wouldnt say playstation is hardcore. If anything that would be the Xbox label only they decided to shoot themselves in the foot by claiming graphics aren't important. Now that they are getting crushed in sales since everyone knows ps4 is more powerful they want to start sacrificing frame rate for resolution just so they can CLAIM to be on equal footing with playstation smdh. PS for me just has my favorite games. Metal gear solid, god of war, gran turismo, uncharted, madden. All these games i would buy day one on any console and would probably buy a console just to play those games. For me pS4 has all of them Xbox only has 2. The indy titles, little big planet, knack, all that shows ps4 is trying to target the widest audience possible. Xbox to me is the shooter console. Halo, call of duty, gears of war. Point shoot point shoot point shoot. There aren't any solid action adventure platformers like uncharted, no epic brutal games like god of war, they do have forza to match gran turismo though.
There is a real need to label. My gaming tastes are completely different from a casual player, les companies believe all i want is games recycled or wii sports.
I have a bunch of friends that don't game much that have bought PS4s off of the name alone, just because it's playstation. They'll play once in a while and that's about it. A couple of my friends that have ps4 are hardcore, but definitely not many. Then I have a core group of friends who have bought X1s that play all the time. We play madden tourneys, titanfall COD battlefield, and so on all the time. Mix that with MLG being mostly on X1 for consoles and my opinion and experience tells me x1 is more hardcore.
And thinking like that is the reason why we have game companies jumping to candy crush and cellphone games.
Stop using logic up in here, it will get you a lot of dislikes around these here parts.
let me try PlayStation = Gamers Xbox = Gamers NIntendo = Gamers
How is PlayStation for the hardcore? What are they playing?
calling a system or a game hardcore or casual isn't really accurate. it's about how you approach the game. i could casually play something like Dark Souls, just by messing around with it in my spare time, not caring about what builds are good, having fun, maybe dying a lot, w/e. but i could spend 8 hours a day playing Farmville or Angry Birds (believe me, i don't lol), thinking of all the best strategies, coming up with new ideas, posting on forums about the game, etc. in both instances, it would be the player who is hardcore/casual, not the game. sure, there are platforms where more hardcore/casual gamers tend to go to, but it's the gamers themselves and their mindsets/actions that are hardcore or casual. not games, platforms, or services. as far as the title, i think Playstation and Xbox are close to even as far as hardcore and casual player base, and i'd put Nintendo under them since they tend to draw in more casual, laid-back gamers. they still have the occasional game that draws in the hardcore crowd (like Smash), but not as many as the other two consoles.
Apparently you don't know how statistics work, but the mean of PS4 fans is Hardcore meaning the majority. That doesn't mean their arent any hardcore fans on other consoles.
@ ABizzel1 I think there's some truth to that, but it's not an absolute. There's definitely one of each kind on all 3.
Where I live this is pretty much the case. The people who play Xbox only use it for games like FIFA, whereas the relatively few PS gamers (they've increased in number since Ps4 released) in my area are def more "hardcore". However I won't say this is the case everywhere
Playstation stands for variety/diversity.
I only know casuals who play on Playstation
Somebody who takes every opportunity to make sure the XB1 looks, sounds, or just SEEMS better than the PS4 would make the PS4 crowd seem less into games based on "personal" experience? Never saw that coming. /s I don't think you can label the entire base of any one crowd. However, you CAN look at the overall image, intent, library, etc., and say this. The PS4 is about games. That's its primary focus, and it's built for that. It sports and promotes a variety of titles, with at least one exclusive in every genre. The XB1 came out of the gate targeting the casual gaming audience. There's no other way to explain such a heavy focus on TV and sports programming. That's changed since... though they're not really making the right moves to get them back in the game. Or rather, they seem intent in continuing to make the wrong moves. With the Wii U, I wouldn't call it kiddie. Instead, I'd say it has a heavy focus on being family friendly. This has pretty much always been a staple for Nintendo, though now it's nearly to the exclusion of all else. And that's their problem, though it's getting a little better: they don't have much to entice people outside that group.
Spotie^^^ Just what was wrong with what I said? Personal experience is far more valuable then PR bumph. Your right about not pigeon holing an entire fan base of course. But I wasn't doing that I just stated my own understanding. Nothing wrong with targeting the casual gaming audience, after all they completely out number the hardcore players. Remind me again who doesn't target the casual gamer? Get back of your high horse and remember as a consumer, your purchase is no more valuable to then then everyone else. Doesn't matter if you play a game for an hr or a year, iff it was paid for, they couldn't give a toss. The first paragraph you posted sums up the hypocrisy within your post. Bash everything else PS4 has nothing wrong with it.
"Personal experience is far more valuable then PR bumpy." Ok. From my personal experience no one wants either XB1 or WiiU, so all gamers play only on PS.
Strummer - I'm not that ignorant bro If you are and that's what you really think, then surely you just have no friends
more like Playstation: Diverse genre, ranging from mainstream to niche hardcore. Xbox: multiplayer/social focused. Nintendo: Light-hearted, family
Well all consoles have hardcore/casuals/and "kiddie" and family type of games. Atm sony is pushing the casual gamers and hardcore buying there products. Xbox is pushing hardcore and some casuals to buy there products and nintendo has all of the above currently.
Sorry, but WTF is hardcore about a console? Mainly a console gamer myself but damn man, don't be so daft. And it's not hardcore, but IF I were to pick one it would be the Xbox brand due to competitive multiplayer being so prevalent.
I'm 29, I play Nintendo, Sony, & Microsoft consoles & Handhelds along with PC games as well. Pretty sure that just disproves this entire article.
Sony likes to talk the talk. they need to walk the walk. https://www.youtube.com/wat...
Not at all. Not here in the UK anyway from my observation. In fact, traditionally, the Sony brand has been more mainstream whereas the Xbox crowd have been more hardcore.
Southampton seems more XBox orientated than ps4 as far as I've noticed. Same for the part of Surrey I lived in
I live in london. whether I was at university, work or its just people I know...most of them own xboxs. So I guess london is xbox country?
@GodGinrai I live in London too. My observations were quite different lol. Ah well :P
Hard core in what way ? This hard core casual crap is all just bs imo. From my personal experience when I was just in the UK visiting family in Stevenage was that the ps4 has basically taken back over, most ppl that owned a 360 I knew including family and friends have gone to ps4 this time.
@septic The 360 was the hardcore choice in scotland but this gen it has shifted to ps4 by a huge margin amongst my friends!
@Septic Are you kidding me ? Have you forgotten the PS1 / PS2 ? The Xbox brand as a whole is built from Casual FPS games so don't even try Praising the Dudebro console as a Hardcore you say , nice try >_>
I'd say Nintendo is for the young, and the young at heart. Xbox is the dudebro console of choice (shooters, sports, racing). Playstation is the jack of all trades.
Agreed you put it perfectly!
Nintendo is more family- kids and adults
Nintendo makes games for everyone, games that can be enjoyed A LOT by both kids and adults.
I agree with you. The reason why peaple think Nintendos games are for kids is because they look cartoony which don't reflect the gameplay in any way.
No. People think Nintendo games are for kids because of the shallow characters and stories, the simplistic (If challenging) gameplay, the 'sanitized' feel of the games, and finally the art style. It's not just about the fact that they look 'cartoony'. I can think of a number of titles that have the same look, but are unarguably geared toward older demographics.
wot? lol find me one game on PS harder than Dk tropical freeze or W101, and please for the love of god don't you casuals say the souls games. Also PC= most hardcore nothing else reaches that title because nothing else has hardcore competitive games like quake, DOTA2, or Starcraft.
Yeah, newsflash for the elitists of the world: A game's difficulty doesn't automatically make it hardcore, nor does it mean that anyone who doesn't play them can't be hardcore.
Harder than tropical freeze to beat you mean? Was it that hard ? I didn't find it hard, about as hard as knack on normal I think.
He said hard not hard to look at
Is Tropical Freeze really harder than Demon's Souls? Well, if you turn up the difficulty, then I guess... Resogun, WipEout HD, The Last of Us and Metal Gear Solid 4 come to mind, and more indies than I care to keep track of.
I played TLOU and MGS4. Playing TLOU again o Survivor. They're definitely easier than Tropical Freeze. :)
@deafdani Get with the program! Grounded is where its at. That being said, I'd like to try Tropical Freeze properly some time, if it's as hard you guys say it is. I love Prinny, Super Meat Boy and other hard platform games. If it's harder than MGS4 on The Boss Extreme, then it might even be too much.
@360ICE: I haven't played MGS4 on that difficulty, I was just talking about default difficulty settings (and Survivor in TLOU's case). Anyway, I can tell you that yes, it's harder than the games I mentioned, but it's definitely easier than Super Meat Boy. Haven't played Prinny, though.
@deafdani I don't think I'd say Super Meat Boy is harder than Demon's Souls, at least. Or MGS4, for that matter. WipEout HD doesn't have to be THAT hard, but getting all the trophies for instance, is damn near impossible. The reason I mentioned The Last of Us and MGS4, is because these are games where they don't just tweak health stats, but go an extra mile to make the higher difficulties more interesting. Prinny is great too. Basically, they give you 1000 attempts to beat the game (or you have to restart from the beginning), and you might have trouble doing so :)
NO, fighting games are the most competitive games than anything on PC or in gaming period. They always have been always will. I only have one bubble so if anyone can help me get more by up id appreciate it.
@fathoms... this was meant to be a reply to fathoms."LittleBigPlanet (commonly misconstrued to be kiddie or casual due to its cutesy exterior, but extremely in-depth)" how do you explain this one Mr."hardcore"? so depth makes a game hardcore? i bet you think Pikmin is a kiddie game even though its RTS nature gives it more depth than LBP could ever dream of. "These are very often considered "core" titles and would not necessarily appeal to the casual mainstream masses" "oh muh hipster games, i'm so hardcore" first of all no, just no...So grey linear corridor shooter:1886 doesn't appeal to mainstream? Uncharted is a multi million selling franchise, how much more mainstream do you want it to be? COD numbers? Killzone hasn't been good since 2006, if a game sucks of course its not going to appeal to many people. David cage games also suck, they are B movies at best. Please explain what qualifies a game to be labeled hardcore MORE than being difficult? I love Sony and Nintendo,but still it baffles me that people actually think they are hardcore just because they game on PS, its good for a laugh at least.
Why the PS hate? Full detail please..
PS hate? the only PS games i shit on were killzone, 1886, and david cage games, i dislike games on all platforms. and before you go there, calling a game mainstream isn't hating it, mainly because i don't have a hipster mentality and don't dislike games only because they are mainstream. What i do dislike is the conclusion the author is trying to make that the PS Brand is "hardcore" while everything else is either casual or kiddie.
Well big game hunter , I have to say calling any console hard core or even pcs just sounds stupid to me but if you where to call any console hard core the Wiiu would not be the one anyone would think of. You could ask 100 ppl which console is hard core randomly and I bet not one would mention the wiiu. It's always going to be the family orientated casual console not that there is anything wrong with that, I myself will be getting a wiiu once I pay off all my pre ordered ps4 games, so I'm not hating, if they had more third party it would probably sell better too.
To adress your point, is difficulty all that constitutes a hardcore game? So, the kids downloading "The Impossible Game" on their phones are hardcore gamers or at the very least are playing a hardore game? It's a reason why it's called "hardcore" and not just "hard". Anyone can make a hard game. What one typically expects from a hardcore game, is depth or challenge. Do you think people play DOTA because it's hard or because it's incredibly deep, rewarding, well-balanced and has an established community? It's the latter one. Other than that, Killzone hasn't been good since 2006? It wasn't good in 2006. The first game is the worst one. In my opinion, anyway. Shadow Fall wasn't great either, though. Btw, Killzone is arguably harder than Halo, yet I don't think anyone would consider it more hardcore. I'm wondering if that's because Halo has had a huge, invested online community. "if a game sucks of course its not going to appeal to many people" Then why do Killzone and David Cage games appeal to many people? I mean, didn't you just imply that they sucked? Hell, why is Flappy Bird one of this year's biggest games?
Every since day one, Playstation had it all. Genres. West and east developers catering to it. Xbox is kinda casual most of the time apart from its big few exclusives. Nintendo is family fun, but all can enjoy it. PC is great and shouldn't be left out of the loop. This is gaming. All gaming devices are welcome.
Pretty much. I'd say that PS is for the variety, Xbox for casual games like shooters (though that seems to be changing with sunset overdrive and project spark and such) and Wii U for party games where there's your friends and family partaking. And PC is for the "hardcore" market. Requires a little more time, money and knowledge but gives freedom like no other platform
PC is hardcore
n4g = bias
Well, it would appear PS only fans are quite full of themselves... That would actually go a long way toward explaining some of the behaviour around here as well. No, I'm not an Xbox only fan, or a Nintendo only fan, or a PC only fan, I am a fan of all platforms (including and mostly PS). This description is laughable at best. Judging by this article and some of the responses to it, it would appear that the more accurate equivalence is Playstation = Hipster. If you'd like that perception to change, stop acting that way. (Note: there are obviously some perfectly reasonable Playstation fans, and I sincerely doubt any of them have this attitude). Moreover, each platform clearly caters to all gamer archetypes and needs. This article sounds like it was written by an insecure teenager trying to ensure that he's allied himself with the coolest kids at school.
Spot on and bubble up.
Is the PS4 Hardcore? Realy? The Last time I saw it was only IndieStation which has nothing to do with Hardcore. On the other hand Forza, Titanfall, MCC, SSO, FH2, DR3, Ryse make the XO realy a hardcore console. Sorry boys this time PS is casual and Xbos is hardcore.