Practical no-shows from the PS Vita and Kinect at both E3 and Gamescom this year lead gamers to wonder whether either device has a future in gaming.
Yes, both devices will be treated as "if you want to" devices for developers. Each still are supported for various needs but none are actually required. Shame too, because both devices were impressive pieces of tech.
Neither devices are dead. They just need more games.
Neither of them are dead, I hate it when people say that all the time without thinking. The Vita is a niche device for a niche market. It has a decent supply of older AAA games, and it will be receiving a steady stream of Japanese games and indie titles from here on out. If you like either of those, or like remote play, then the Vita may be for you. The Kinect is also a niche device for a niche market. It has benefits in adding functionality to the Xbox One OS, as well as having a decent selection of games like Dance Central and Kinect Sports. They're optional. Don't like 'em, don't buy 'em. Just don't dump on the people that buy them and love them.
Vita just got Monster Hunter Frontier. Just wish they'd bring it to the rest of the world.
For all intensive purposes the vita and Kinect are dead. And WiiU is about to be dead too. This is when you see poor software support coming down the pipeline. That's my definition of dead.
@mikeslemonade I have to disagree about the wiiu having poor software. The line up of games on the wiiu are great. Pikmin 3, Mario 3d world, wonderful101, wind weaker, Mario kart, DKTF,Lego City, Wario & Game and that is just to name a few. The wiiu also has some great games on the way too. The PSV and Kinect are a different story though. For me anyway the PSV has not had the support from Sony or 3rd party developers for a long time now. When the PSV came out it had some great games but most of them were a let down because of the lack of MP like UCGA and MNR. The psv just received poor ports of the ps3 versions of some games too. For me even LBP Vita felt unfinishedas it was very short. The PSV in terms of hardware is an amazing console but it is lacking the games to back it up. As for Kinect under the new management it has seemed to of been given the back seat. I think the device deserves more attention than it is getting at the moment for games as it is a massive step up from Kinect 1. Ide love to see another Steel Battalion on the Kinect 2 and also some voice commands adding into more games but I do think Microsoft should be leading the way with Kinect and are not. What it is good at though are the voice commands for opening games and apps and I use this alot on my Xbox one but out side of this I don't see Kinect being used for much at the moment. This may change over the next few years as Phil starts bring his own ideas into it but at the moment it is not needed for the Xbox one but I do make use of mine.
@mcstorm I have to disagree about 'PSV has not had the support from 3rd party developers'. Ps Vita has better support from 3rd party developers than Wii u and Wii u has better support from Nintendo
@mikeslemonade Intents and purposes
No, they are in limbo.
all them new awesome looking them bundles look great, but all are sold Kinect less............what more can you say about there support.
IDK why they keep saying Vita is dead. It's fully supported in Japan, just not here because we don't focus on handhelds like they do. Tell me, what was the last big western released game on 3DS?
The only time Microsoft and Sony will come together....when Kinect and the PSV are sharing the same grave
So is the PS Move...and Ps4 camera.and i am sure pretty soon the VR headset as well as we have not heard a thing about it since a brief announcement in the Spring. All gaming accessories don't work other than a gaming controller.
VR works As it's just a screen on the face. The rift is getting a ton of support but PC players have always had peripherals they use like simulator sticks and track ir
You haven't heard much of Project Morpheus because they still aren't even close to releasing it. Though I don't work for Sony or Oculus it is fairly easy to see what happened. Sony was working on a VR unit of some kind before Oculus started to make waves, The more and more support and press Oculus received the more pressure Sony had to get a working prototype out in to the wild as soon as possible. You can see people "reacting" to it but you can't experience it without being there. It isn't like a videogame trailer. I don't think it will fail at all. I hate Zuckerberg but he seems to know what he is doing. How much did he buy Oculus for? Do you really think he would of done that if he expected it to end up as shovelware? We FINALLY are at a point with technology to make Virtual Reality a genuinely feasible reality. The issue now is cost. I would speculate we are almost 2 years away at the minimum from seeing whatever Project Morpheus ends up being called actually released if lucky. In every demo they have "displayed or shown off" They have stated repeatedly this in the very early stages of design. That is PR speak for we want to show you something cool we are working on but please be patient and don't expect it to release anytime soon. We just want to show you that Oculus isn't going to be the only VR headset on the market.
I dont think the Vita will ever die like dream cast because of the steady stream of Japanese and indie titles it has been receiving,is, and will be. There will always be a market for that.
It won't die, but it will stay in this hyper niche....Unless a certain big Japanese studio( Square Enix), does something about it. I'm not a big fan of Square, but I know how popular their games are. And I would definitely support anything they put on Vita.
Even though the kinect was apart of the original vision both companies are pushing these to one side since they are not popular. Quite rightly too. The kinect made the Xbox One too expensive while not making life more confident for that price and the Vita is aimed at totally the wrong market while actually living in a dwindling market. It makes sense for both to move on and focus on their most profitable and popular products.
I use Kinect a lot, im sure many xbox gamers do aswell. Its actually very handy indeed.
I use my Kinect a lot as well. Voice and Skype mostly. I believe Kinect, as a gaming device, has been put on the shelf for the time being. The original Kinect sold well when the Xbox 360 was in more casual gamers homes. Most early adopters are hardcore gamers and don't want Kinect games. Kinect isn't dead. Why would MS abandon something that was very succesful last gen? Once more systems are in the hands of the casual crowd, all it will take is one successful game to make everyone want it.
Agreed, I dont have an Xbox One but I've been to my friend's house and while he doesnt play the games for it he does use a lot of the functions it has to offer in other games. I own a vita too and for both I can see what their respective companies wanted for either device, but failed to ultimately deliver with either. I do love Vita though :3 very good handheld tech wise, and I'm getting the One for the MCC ^__^
that's the smartest move you can do my friend, I too got the one for halo mcc. Add me when you get the xbox one and the game drops: puppychow94
I use my Kinect with my PC along with various developing tools. I have always believed that Kinect has tons of non-gaming potential.
I opted for the Kinect model and I regret it. The new Kinect is worthless. I love my Vita though and I wish Sony would support it.
Kintec, yes in most new game incarnations its just a glorified microphone. The Vita, maybe. Depends if you like playing Indie games that are either available on PC and PS4 with the occasional Vita AAA title.
The PS Vita is effectively Dead in North America. NPD sales have it selling around 15K month in its 3rd year on the market. Sony isn't making a ton of games for it either. And software just doesn't sell. The Vita has had zero games in the top 10 NPD since it launched. The highest selling Vita game is Uncharted Golden Abyss with about 1-1.5 million. The system just doesn't sell enough units of software. However, the Vita is alive in Japan. System sales and software sales are better, but no where near the 3DS. The Kinect was dead before it even got going. Nobody wanted it, and when Kinect Sports on Xbox One flopped....that sealed Kinect's fate.
keep in mind golden abyss was a freebie on the ps store for ps plus members for a looong time. like a year EDIT: it was from actually Nov 2012 to this June/July http://www.playstationlifes...
If you're giving the game away for free on PS Plus, Sony isn't really making any money off it.... that's my whole point. Software sales on PS Vita are bad.... If you combine Pokemon X & Y, Animal Crossing New Leaf, Monster Hunter 4,Super Mario 3D Land, and Mario Kart 7 on 3DS....that's pretty much outsold all of the Vita's retail software combined. Sony messed up with the Vita and they know it. No backwards compatibility with the PSP was not a good idea. And the expensive memory cards has killed a lot of people's interest in the system.
correct, thats what i was implying. having freebies for plus users doesnt add sales. from the get go tho if i can remember launch day in a lot of the regions wasnt too grand either. i just remember the articles on here that were titled along the lines of "vita only sells x units on launch day, a sign of bad things to come?". if i can remember it only sold like 750k units in japan launch week alone and on week 2 sales where down somewhere like 75% over the first. i dont know if thats at fault of sony or if there was just a lack of interest to begin with but the vitas position right now is probably due to a variety of reasons and not just one alone
Kinect was certainly not "dead before it even got going". It broke sales records to become the fastest-selling consumer electronics device with 8 million sold in its first 2 months back in 2010. It went on to sell over 20 million units for the Xbox 360.
"Kinect was certainly not "dead before it even got going". It broke sales records to become the fastest-selling consumer electronics device with 8 million sold in its first 2 months back in 2010." Man that was a long time ago... how is Kinect doing NOW? Yeah, that's what I thought. Kinect is dead, and was stripped from the Xbox One before the system was even on the market for a year.
The kinect is pretty much buried but the Vita can be revived if Sony just gives it more third party support and just has more studios create games on it.
Exactly, but it seems like Sony won't ever talk about Vita again.
Yes, sony really f'ed up with handhelds. Xbox I have no symphoy for. they should have dropped Kinect 2 when they saw devs weren't using it, included a headset with all the voice commands still intact, and sold kinect 2 as an optional extra.
Not sure we will get any major aaa kinect games but maybe some indie developers will make something innovative with it. Kinect sports was such an uninspired game.
The Knect is going to see the same support as Sony is giving the PS Vita: Mostly shovel ware/none The Vita is going to continue existing only as a companion device for the PS4 and that's it. Maybe with a some sort of miracle, Sony relaunches the PS Vita and give it a new life (very unlikely. Sony doesn't seem to want to release another handheld. I think the Vita is going to be the last one, because if Sony makes the same mistake of releasing a great handheld and wasting it for the third time, I'll facepalm so hard.
use my kinect everyday, id have bought one without any games.
Well im gald i got mine. Voice commands has become a part of my daily gaming.enjoyed the first version with my fam. Its a good device if you give it chance. I can't speak on move or the ps eye,will have to sit down with them.
Vita is not dead there is about 150 games coming out for it over the next 1 or 2 years. Most arew Indies but games are games. My concern is Sony might use the PlayStation TV are a way to leave the handheld market. It is a way to play Vita, PSP and PS1 games without owning the console anymore.
all of which are extremely niche the general public or most gamers won't even bat an eye at and will not sell. Vita doesn't sell, it's has very few games worth buying and losing that list as we speak, games and accessories are on clearance almost everywhere, no marketing, and no mentions at the past 2 major conferences. Sorry but the Vita IS dead. It was a great system but Sony just couldn't manage it properly.
quality over quantity
but is better than has no games
It has both most of the indie games are rated 8 and up.
In north america the vita is dead but, its still doing "okay" in japan. The kinect however is just dead. However, i do find the kinect as a fun guilty pleasure with my family.
I hate reading this stuff. The Vita has sold really really well in NA. I cant argue that the titles that have been releasing for it are arcady psn like titles. Which is fine, but anyone that owns one knows the vita is capable of so much more. I wont argue if the vita becomes a nice complimentary piece to the PS4, utilizing its remote play feature. Question is who and when is this feature going to be used WITH PS4 Games? If ever.......
How is it selling well in NA? In Japan it's doing much better.
It was sold out at best buy and gamestop for a month back in the spring. The npd numbers are good. It would sell better if it had a couple of great exclusives
what's your definition of "really really well"
No it hasn't, it's selling much worse than PSP, and the upcoming game lineup is mostly mobile-quality cheap games.
You just disagreed and agreed with me? Thats what I said?
"The Vita has sold really really well in NA" HOLD DA PHONE BRUH! That has got to be the best defense Vita ever got.
How the hell does almost 10 million Vita units sold and still selling, equal to Vita is dead? I am the first to agree that E3 and GamesCom WAS a HUGE letdown for us Vita fans (Sony fucjed UP) but as to say the Vita is Dead is BS!!
If Japan is anything to go by, the Vita is not dead. Everywhere else this system is severely underselling.
That' because you can only buy it at Game Stop online in the US every store in the US says sold out online not available in stores.
8.7 million is terrible when you factor in how long it's been out.
Why is Kinect being compared to Vita?
Kinect nope. That's the future. Vita is certainly more than dead.
The Kinect for the 360 is dead has been for some time. The Kinect for Xbox One is not even close to dead. It has nothing to do with gaming either. When the Kinect (first one) launched originally it sold like mad and Microsoft was really happy about it thinking that there were a ton of 360 players out there with a kinect ready to dive in to this new experience! The reality however was quite the opposite. Something like 40% of the Kinect's purchased were done so to utilize it as a development tool. It was used in robotics, medicine, testing applications, and various business applications. Not to mention people who bought one just to use it as a webcam on pc. The Vita is half dead and will probably stay there until a successor comes along. For western developers it is dead as a doornail. Japanese developers continue to support the vita though. The majority of indie developers who make a game for PS3 and PS4 if the specs are possible will also release said product on the vita. Vita games are still being made but for the most part we just get a digital localization of Japanese games. I would suspect about 25% of the indie games released for PS4 and more than half of the PS3 indie games released will also release on vita. Vita as it's own standalone competitor to the 3DS? Not likely. As a companion to the PS4 though it is thriving as a secondary way to play those same games in portable form. Just don't expect much (if any) new games targeted directly for and only for the vita anymore. Unless they were already in development and just delayed into this year. It will be by 2016 though for sure :( Kinect for Xbox One? Same deal. Microsoft is about to release it standalone for PC when that does it will go through the roof in sales again only because it won't be locked to the Xbox One and it isn't a required purchase you are paying for with your Xbox One. Kinect is still the best possible consumer webcam you can buy right now. Indie devs will probably use it don't expect much of anyone else to though. As an aside over 70% of my gaming (rest is ARR on PC and handhelds) is almost always done on a Playstation device of some kind. If anyone thinks the Kinect for Xbox One isn't a truly advanced sophisticated piece of hardware though then they are kidding themselves. It has nothing to do with console loyalty for one group or another and everything to do with the raw specs of the hardware. Eventually I am going to have to get an Xbox One for Sunset Overdrive, Master Chief Collection (Halo 2) and Quantum Break. I am one of those odd ones that was disappointed when they removed the Kinect from the upcoming bundles. If the Sunset Overdrive bundle was at the same price as the Advanced Warfare one but included the kinect I would preorder it now. Instead I am eagerly awaiting Smash Bros for Wii U Expect Tokyo Game Show in September to announce handful of new vita titles.
Kinect is fully dead, Vita is alive but only in Japan
Still waiting for God Eater 2 in USA :'( On topic though, the PS Vita is not dead. It's games are targeted towards a niche market, which consist of Japanese games, Indies, and older titles (PSX, PSP, etc). Fortunately, I happen to enjoy most of those games on the PS Vita, so I will not be selling mine anytime soon. And the PS Vita is excellent to have with the PS Plus. One of the most important things they have to fix with the Vita though is that those memory card prices are anti-consumer! I have a 32 GB Memory card, and with PlayStation Plus, I blaze through it really fast! For the Kinect, I am entirely not sure because I have not gotten to use one for an extended period of time. But I am sure it also has its own market. Even if it is a rather niche market.
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