Twinfinite: Is Rise of the Tomb Raider's timed Xbox exclusivity really as big a deal as it's being made out to be these days?
I wonder if this was a big contriversy when Sony made the 2nd TR exclusive from Sega after the first TR release was multi platform? Edit, thx for the comments below, I guess I should have used MGS, FF, Soul caliber and GTA SA.
Probably not as big because N4G wasn't around then.
Or when sony bought GTA 3 - san andreas outright (not timed, unless 6 years later counts) Soul caliber 3 (outright) Final fantasy 7-10 (outright) Etc, it's just a normal happening within the industry, obviously it sucks, but it's a business. This isn't the first time it's happened nor is it exclusive to one company.
From Wikipedia: "Tomb raider 2 was no longer designed for the sega Saturn... Following the cancellation announcement, Adrian smith cited 'technical limitations' of the console to program an adequate version" Sony did NOT pay to keep it exclusive, especially considering it was also released on Windows. It wasn't on N64 due to it using cartridges.
@BiggerBoss Unfortunately, it seems they're only interested in propaganda.
Statistically, Square Enix alienated 2/3 of their console fanbase and 100% of their PC fanbase with this move. Perhaps that's why people are talking about this so much.
When a company uses dirty moves like this to artificially make their console desirable, it compels and unites PC users and Console user alike (except for xbox users) to cry out the infamy of their action. It is deserved.
@nicksetzer1 Well, PS2 had sold 100mil consoles by the time SCIII came about, OG Xbox and GC had nowhere near those numbers. FF VII-X - yeah, like to have seen how many cartridges VII would've been on.. blame Nintendo for that one, going with cartridges when the market was going CD.. wonderful business decision that was. GTA SA - yeah, try harder troll.. release date on PS2 October 2004, release date on PC/Xbox June 2005 - ooh, 8 months. MS has done far worse last gen. Again try fucking harder.
@barb gta 3 - san andreas, you completely ignored all but san andreas .... we all know why, because otherwise your point is moot. Regardless of any excuse you come up with Sony paid for all of those, maybe less due to those reasons. Not to mention games like hellblade, no man's sky and 1 year exclusive content on destiny. Just because you want to deny that MS is not the only one who does it, or that it's only bad under extremely specific scenarios, it's just not the reality.
^lol now you're just making things up, bubble down for trolling! Ninja Theory already explained why Hellblade is PS4 exclusive (and Sony didn't pay a cent) and you have no proof that Sony payed Rockstar to keep San Andreas PS2 exclusive, that's actually the first time I'm hearing this. OT: Only ones not bothered by this are Xbox users... now they can brag about being the first to play Tomb Raider, woohoo´that's certainly worth supporting shady business tactics.
@biggerboss "technical limitations" is just a fancy way of saying they got sweet talked into making it for the PS1. Burning Rangers, Nights into Dreams and other Saturn games are much more graphically demanding than TR2. plus there was that handy memory expansion cart that could have been put to use. It certainly makes a noticeable different in Marvel super heroes and that's just a fighting game.
@darth. By the time TR 2 released, the Saturn was practically dead compared to the playstation. That combined with the fact that it was hard to program for; it's no wonder TR 2 didn't release on Saturn
http://m.ign.com/articles/2... http://www.vg247.com/2010/1... I'll just leave these here Now i understand why sonyfanboys keep saying rockstar owe them a game. Because of that "keep it off other systems (xbox)" payment deal they only kept exclusive for six months
@vega275 You are saying that GTA III never came to xbox? OK... http://128bit.me/index.php?...
@ BG11579 I really think you need to learn how to read a comment. Please look again at mines. In no way did I say it didnt come to xbox. I said and proved sony paid to keep it off the system but it only lasted 6 months. Which is why sony fanboys keep claiming rock star owe them a game.
No there wasn't as by that time the Saturn was failing and most console gamers were with Sony or Nintendo.
Dont forget about soul calibur 3 (ps2) after sc2 was multiplat.. N4g loves to hate sony's competition these days.
Why would Sony pay for that?
@ wearelegion http://www.vg247.com/2010/1... Maybe the same reason they paid to keep GTA off xbox.
It's only really, really, really bad when Microsoft buys (timed) exclusives. When other companies do it, it's ok.
@Axios2 "I wonder if this was a big contriversy when Sony made the 2nd TR exclusive from Sega after the first TR release was multi platform?" This is the same BS that people keep cutting and pasting all over N4G and several other gaming sites... It is not true that Sony paid to make TR2 exclusive. Like so many other games at the time, it was due to Nintendo's continued use of an outdated media -- Cartridges. The PS used CDs and that is the end of the story. The game also appeared on PC for those keeping score. This issue with MS has to do more with the shady way that they have handled the reveal of the "exclusive" nature of the new TR game. Just like the way MS has handled itself since the XB1 reveal (actually, since the introduction of the original Kinect in the form of Project Natal) that is the problem. MS is not honest and is obfuscating the entire matter. MS, just stop with the double-talk and say that the game is a timed exclusive. MS, as a company, does this in all of its endeavors, not just in its video game unit, so it does not surprise me, but the backlash against them from not just gamers, but from websites that have normally been supportive of the XB platform is very telling (Eurogamer, IGN, Kotaku, Polygon, etc.) They are losing mindshare, which is very tough to come back from. Without 1st party support, MS cannot pull a comeback like Sony did with the PS3, no matter how much XB1 fans wish it to be so. EDIT: What BiggerBoss and Lord Maim said above!
^This man knows his history. FACTS, FACTS, FACTS! AHHH! They drive fanboys BSC. A lot of developers and publishers turned a blind eye to Sega (Saturn) and the N64 because of Nintendo's stubbornness not to go CD format and the Saturn being so hard to develop for. What MS is doing is flat out shady and I'm not talking about with them against Sony but the PC. Just so those that read this know. I do own a PC gaming rig but do most of my gaming on the consoles. I also own the PS4 and X1 and have done most of my gaming the past decade plus on MS hardware. I'm just keeping it real. Most PC gamers access gaming through MS OS. Now that is flat out F'd up. This wreaks of desperation. Especially when you consider TR:E sold significantly more (over 2:1 ratio, nearly 3:1) on the PS4 vs X1 and that the Tomb Raider franchise is not a system selling series. So what's the point with this move? This is just lame and it makes MS look small and them still completely and utterly discombobulated trying to throw any and everything at the wall hoping something sticks. Good luck with that MS. Meanwhile the gap is widening and widening and widening. Moves like this are not going to change that. MS needs their to create new IPs and rebuild consumer confidence. If anything moves like this usually end up hurting the devs and publishers that agree to them. Yes SE, I'm looking at you. Personally I hope it does. Greed should not be rewarded and most of the time it isn't. There are more examples of it blowing up in their faces than them making out for doing these lame deals. And can we stop playing the whole "they started it, or it's okay when they did it". NO it's not and never was. Greed is tearing this industry apart and you'd have to be blind to the facts that MS played the biggest role in perpetuating the greed that exist today in the gaming industry. I give you XBL and Gears of War. Just go back and revisit the riff between MS and Epic over MS wanting to charge for DLC and Epic being vehemently against it. If MS had their way with their initial vision for this generation? We would now be paying for having games piecemealed to us. Try and remember that because I sure as h3ll am never going to forget it. Moves like this wont cause a dent. They usually end up doing the opposite. MS you have a consumer confidence problem and this surely wont help. I personally will vote with my wallet and not purchase TROTR. I might rent it some day down the road. But I wont purchase it. I always let my wallet do the talking. As I do with almost all DLC. I can list on one (maybe I might need a 2nd but I'm pretty sure it's 1) hand how many times I purchased DLC since they started doing it in console gaming. I wont purchase any DLC unless it's exceptional and really adds to the games I enjoy most. If more consumers were like me moves like this wouldn't happen in the first place. Move the industry forward my brothers and sisters. Don't divide and destroy! ;) *puts soapbox away*
I had way too much caffeine this morning! ;)
People need to grow up. Its releasing first on Xbox one and if you want to play it then get an Xbox one. If you want to wait 6 months to a year when it releases for other formats then go ahead. If you want to further boycott the game and wait another 6 months... No one will stop you. Everyone without a Xbox one need to put their "Big boy pants" on and move on. Its just a game.
I'm b trying to tell people that its nothing new. This type of stuff happens.
not in the manner that this has occurred.
good article that brings up valid points.
Build a bridge and get over it.
It's cry me a river and get over it
So much crying, so much drama.
That's all those station guy's do
yea, its not like the pc fans were angry at all. just playstation...............
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Over 20 negative articles about it. I've never seen so much drama over one title. It's not like either company has never had things like this before. Seems like anything MS does is being called money hatting. I just don't understand as this is nothing new with either of the 2 companies.
This is a actually a pretty unique situation. I can't remember the last time a game was announced to be multiplatform only to be changed to an exclusive (timed or not) months later. The exclusivity detail should have been made clear at E3.
And the existence of this article is overly-baitworthy. We have enough on this topic already. Find something else to earn hits with.
No it's not. SE/CD are cutting off their PC & PS fanbase, depending on how long the "duration" is, it could kill any interest in the game or ultimately the franchise. Not to mention it hurts the trust people have with the companies. This is a game being developed as multiplat & being paid for exclusivity later on, for the console/company with a negative reputation. MS' tactic is always buying out the competition & it's not healthy. They should be creating new IPs if they want to compete, not preventing existing ones from being on the other machines.
Bro. It's just a game. You can live without it.
Of course. We can all live without games or consoles. That's irrelevant. Since we're talking about games, though, it's perfectly reasonable for him to express his displeasure, as many others have. Your response is pointless.
I understand why MS did it and good for them , but it sucks for the fans that don't own an Xbox. At the end of the day it's just business. This stuff has happened lots of times in the past with other major franchises - and I do think the reaction was way OTT.
I personally don't understand why MS did it unless the price they paid was dirt cheap. I can only imagine they did it to boost X1 sales, but Tomb Raider these days is not a system seller, so having RotTR as a timed exclusive will not lead to any real boost in X1 sales. I'm interested in playing the next TR but I'll just wait to play it on my PS4. I sure as heck won't buy an X1 just to play it a bit earlier, and I can't imagine many others would do that either.
Yeah , I'd say it's to boost sales. And personally I really enjoy the series and TR 2013. I'm not sure if it'll be a huge boost, but who knows? Ultimately it'll depend on the quality of the final game.
There is only a controversy because the game is not coming to PlayStation 4, but rather staying exclusive to Microsofts two gaming platforms which includes the initial launch on Xbox One and later to Windows PC. Phil already gave all the hints we need but certain PS4 gamers just can't believe its possible for a game to not ever come to their console.
Don't try to spin things with your heavy bias, but im not surprised, because every comment you make is bs. The game is coming to ps4 and pc whether you like it or not.
These articles about Tomb Raider are disgustingly overreacted by people. MS did it with Dead Rising, Splinter Cell, Minecraft and the two episodic contents of GTAIV just like Sony moneyhated for GTAIII, Tomb Raider, Final Fantasy back in the PS2 days. Heck, even Nintendo managed to do it with Resident Evil 4 for their GC console. It is nothing new and you people need to stop acting like it is a surprise because it is from MS. Heck, as a xbox only player i am more upset about Sony getting exclusive in game content like in those Batman games, Assassin's Creeds, and the upcoming LOTR Shadow of Mordor that will never the light of day on my console but I like many kept our cool and you don't see daily articles or petition or constant ranting on forums pertaining to those games. I wonder why it is always a particular group that seems the loudest when things don't go their way.
in regards to GTA3, tomb raider and final fantasy on ps2. im pretty sure those companies choose to put it on ps2 first cause of how high the install base was. stop defending what micro did. tomb raider isn't even a system seller.
Always an excuse right? Just get over it already. All these companies are all guilty for paying for third party exclusives.
@dudebro Don't get it do you? Allow me to spell it out for you and the other hardcore xbone fans. 1) MS didn't pay for a "third party exclusive". They paid for a timed-exclusive of a sequel for a franchise that originated on a different console. 2) MS invented timed-exclusives. Video game companies(ie. Nintendo, Atari, Sega, Sony, etc) didn't do this "back in the day". If they said it was "exclusive", it was ACTUALLY EXCLUSIVE. 3) MS temporarily buying exclusivity to a TR game is like Sony buying timed exclusivity to the next Halo game, or the next Zelda game, or the next Starcraft game.
@major_Glitch, "MS temporarily buying exclusivity to a TR game is like Sony buying timed exclusivity to the next Halo game, or the next Zelda" I didn't know the Tomb Raider franchise was published by Sony? That is what you sounded like when you said "like Sony buying a MS and Nintendo exclusive" . My Repellent needed a refill after that amazing spin.
I think what has annoyed people the most about this situation is that Rise of the Tomb Raider was originally announced at E3 as a multiplatform game leading gamers to believe all versions would release at or around the same time. If SE had just announced this as an X1 timed exclusive from the start, I don't think people would have been as upset. I'm hoping this type of situation of announcing a game as multiplatform only to later say it's exclusive to a particular platform doesn't become a trend. This would just create further confusion and ill-will toward publishers that operate like that.
Exactly, that's the point.
Was it? I don't remember them saying it was multi, I don't think they commented on that at all. All I remember was a trailer being shown at the Microsoft conference.
No exclusivity was announced at E3, and it was reported by the gaming press as multiplatform. That should have been the time for MS and SE to clarify that it was a timed exclusive but they never did for whatever dumb reason. It's almost like they wanted people to be confused.
Controversy surrounding Rise of the Tomb Raider is disgustingly being dragged out by 'journalists' looking for hits. Fixed
Going a little too far now. It's a timed exclusive. Though, I don't understand why it had to be Tomb Raider? It's not a huge game and probably won't move consoles.
Ha no one cared about this game until Microsoft announced it's time exclusive.
And you can speak for every gamer out there? Those thousands or millions? Right... I think a little more than "no one" actually was looking forward to play this at release date.
To me, the reaction to the exclusivity only prove the console wars have not changed at all; it proved that many gamers are still secretly fanboys, outraged at the idea that they have to buy the competing console in order to play all the games they want to.
I personally do not want to spend a ton of money just for one game.
Me neither, but why did so many get so outraged over just one game? Because their choice in consoles was threatened, if ever so slightly, by the announcement of Tomb Raider's exclusivity.
Well put it this way, if Far Cry 4 was exclusive to one system, one that I did not own, I would be quite upset xD
Let's just hope there wasn't some sort of parity clause in the contract.
The problem I have with this exaggeration, is people who went an attack (attack meaning leaving rude and degrading remarks on peoples' social network accounts) every person affiliated with RotTR on their social networks and such. Even people who weren't affiliated with the exclusivity deal got attacked (example being the writer of Rise of the Tomb Raider). Literally it's just a game at the end of the day. If you feel the need to go an attack people over a video game, you need to reevaluate your life. I can understand the frustration, but people took this way too personally. I don't care how long you've been a fan of TR or how long you have game on PS, Xbox, Nintendo Systems, or PC, you shouldn't attack someone over a video game. The only exception I can promote is if it affects your money. And when I mean by if it affects your money, is if you already have invested money into a game and the quality comes out short than promise (Example being Watch Dogs on PC). There are other ways you can handle controversy against corporations in a more mature manner. You don't have to drop "F" bombs and insults to get the message through. I laugh at people who does these things and still consider themselves a mature gamer.
tomb raider reboot was a poor mans tomb raider, uncharted, farcry 3 as a tomb raider game it sucked balls hell theres NO tombs and no raiding.
There were a few tombs but they were all weirdly optional and criminally short. I still thought it was a solid action game, but yeah, the next game should have a larger emphasis on, you know, raiding tombs and whatnot.
yes good action game. poor story and no tomb raiding (i dont care for little puzzle room being called tombs) hunting but not being hunted, bow and arrow has been done to death. the only thing i like was upgrading my stuff even that was very limited and has been done in other games much better. play tomb raider anniversary and forget about these pretent tomb raiders. tomb raider is dead just like resident evil looks like we will never get the magic back at least there going to be hd remsters in the future