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Controversy Surrounding Rise of the Tomb Raider’s Exclusivity is Disgustingly Overexaggerated

Twinfinite: Is Rise of the Tomb Raider's timed Xbox exclusivity really as big a deal as it's being made out to be these days?

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Axios23532d ago (Edited 3532d ago )

I wonder if this was a big contriversy when Sony made the 2nd TR exclusive from Sega after the first TR release was multi platform?

Edit, thx for the comments below, I guess I should have used MGS, FF, Soul caliber and GTA SA.

SaveFerris3532d ago

Probably not as big because N4G wasn't around then.

nicksetzer13532d ago (Edited 3532d ago )

Or when sony bought GTA 3 - san andreas outright (not timed, unless 6 years later counts)

Soul caliber 3 (outright)

Final fantasy 7-10 (outright)

Etc, it's just a normal happening within the industry, obviously it sucks, but it's a business. This isn't the first time it's happened nor is it exclusive to one company.

BiggerBoss3532d ago

From Wikipedia: "Tomb raider 2 was no longer designed for the sega Saturn... Following the cancellation announcement, Adrian smith cited 'technical limitations' of the console to program an adequate version"

Sony did NOT pay to keep it exclusive, especially considering it was also released on Windows. It wasn't on N64 due to it using cartridges.

choujij3532d ago

@BiggerBoss

Unfortunately, it seems they're only interested in propaganda.

LordMaim3532d ago

Statistically, Square Enix alienated 2/3 of their console fanbase and 100% of their PC fanbase with this move. Perhaps that's why people are talking about this so much.

BG115793532d ago

When a company uses dirty moves like this to artificially make their console desirable, it compels and unites PC users and Console user alike (except for xbox users) to cry out the infamy of their action.
It is deserved.

barb_wire3532d ago

@nicksetzer1

Well, PS2 had sold 100mil consoles by the time SCIII came about, OG Xbox and GC had nowhere near those numbers.

FF VII-X - yeah, like to have seen how many cartridges VII would've been on.. blame Nintendo for that one, going with cartridges when the market was going CD.. wonderful business decision that was.

GTA SA - yeah, try harder troll.. release date on PS2 October 2004, release date on PC/Xbox June 2005 - ooh, 8 months. MS has done far worse last gen. Again try fucking harder.

nicksetzer13532d ago (Edited 3532d ago )

@barb gta 3 - san andreas, you completely ignored all but san andreas .... we all know why, because otherwise your point is moot.

Regardless of any excuse you come up with Sony paid for all of those, maybe less due to those reasons. Not to mention games like hellblade, no man's sky and 1 year exclusive content on destiny. Just because you want to deny that MS is not the only one who does it, or that it's only bad under extremely specific scenarios, it's just not the reality.

nX3532d ago (Edited 3532d ago )

^lol now you're just making things up, bubble down for trolling!
Ninja Theory already explained why Hellblade is PS4 exclusive (and Sony didn't pay a cent) and you have no proof that Sony payed Rockstar to keep San Andreas PS2 exclusive, that's actually the first time I'm hearing this.

OT: Only ones not bothered by this are Xbox users... now they can brag about being the first to play Tomb Raider, woohoo´that's certainly worth supporting shady business tactics.

darthv723532d ago

@biggerboss "technical limitations" is just a fancy way of saying they got sweet talked into making it for the PS1.

Burning Rangers, Nights into Dreams and other Saturn games are much more graphically demanding than TR2.

plus there was that handy memory expansion cart that could have been put to use. It certainly makes a noticeable different in Marvel super heroes and that's just a fighting game.

BiggerBoss3532d ago

@darth. By the time TR 2 released, the Saturn was practically dead compared to the playstation. That combined with the fact that it was hard to program for; it's no wonder TR 2 didn't release on Saturn

vega2753532d ago (Edited 3532d ago )

http://m.ign.com/articles/2...

http://www.vg247.com/2010/1...

I'll just leave these here

Now i understand why sonyfanboys keep saying rockstar owe them a game. Because of that "keep it off other systems (xbox)" payment deal they only kept exclusive for six months

BG115793532d ago

@vega275 You are saying that GTA III never came to xbox?
OK...

http://128bit.me/index.php?...

vega2753531d ago

@ BG11579

I really think you need to learn how to read a comment. Please look again at mines. In no way did I say it didnt come to xbox. I said and proved sony paid to keep it off the system but it only lasted 6 months.

Which is why sony fanboys keep claiming rock star owe them a game.

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Bennibop3532d ago

No there wasn't as by that time the Saturn was failing and most console gamers were with Sony or Nintendo.

carlosjrix3532d ago

Dont forget about soul calibur 3 (ps2) after sc2 was multiplat.. N4g loves to hate sony's competition these days.

WeAreLegion3532d ago

Why would Sony pay for that?

vega2753532d ago

@ wearelegion

http://www.vg247.com/2010/1...

Maybe the same reason they paid to keep GTA off xbox.

vega2753532d ago (Edited 3532d ago )

Double post

lelo3532d ago (Edited 3532d ago )

It's only really, really, really bad when Microsoft buys (timed) exclusives. When other companies do it, it's ok.

harrisk9543532d ago (Edited 3532d ago )

@Axios2

"I wonder if this was a big contriversy when Sony made the 2nd TR exclusive from Sega after the first TR release was multi platform?"

This is the same BS that people keep cutting and pasting all over N4G and several other gaming sites... It is not true that Sony paid to make TR2 exclusive. Like so many other games at the time, it was due to Nintendo's continued use of an outdated media -- Cartridges. The PS used CDs and that is the end of the story. The game also appeared on PC for those keeping score.

This issue with MS has to do more with the shady way that they have handled the reveal of the "exclusive" nature of the new TR game. Just like the way MS has handled itself since the XB1 reveal (actually, since the introduction of the original Kinect in the form of Project Natal) that is the problem. MS is not honest and is obfuscating the entire matter. MS, just stop with the double-talk and say that the game is a timed exclusive. MS, as a company, does this in all of its endeavors, not just in its video game unit, so it does not surprise me, but the backlash against them from not just gamers, but from websites that have normally been supportive of the XB platform is very telling (Eurogamer, IGN, Kotaku, Polygon, etc.) They are losing mindshare, which is very tough to come back from. Without 1st party support, MS cannot pull a comeback like Sony did with the PS3, no matter how much XB1 fans wish it to be so.

EDIT: What BiggerBoss and Lord Maim said above!

Boody-Bandit3532d ago (Edited 3532d ago )

^This man knows his history.
FACTS, FACTS, FACTS! AHHH! They drive fanboys BSC.

A lot of developers and publishers turned a blind eye to Sega (Saturn) and the N64 because of Nintendo's stubbornness not to go CD format and the Saturn being so hard to develop for.

What MS is doing is flat out shady and I'm not talking about with them against Sony but the PC. Just so those that read this know. I do own a PC gaming rig but do most of my gaming on the consoles. I also own the PS4 and X1 and have done most of my gaming the past decade plus on MS hardware. I'm just keeping it real.

Most PC gamers access gaming through MS OS. Now that is flat out F'd up. This wreaks of desperation. Especially when you consider TR:E sold significantly more (over 2:1 ratio, nearly 3:1) on the PS4 vs X1 and that the Tomb Raider franchise is not a system selling series.

So what's the point with this move? This is just lame and it makes MS look small and them still completely and utterly discombobulated trying to throw any and everything at the wall hoping something sticks.

Good luck with that MS. Meanwhile the gap is widening and widening and widening. Moves like this are not going to change that. MS needs their to create new IPs and rebuild consumer confidence. If anything moves like this usually end up hurting the devs and publishers that agree to them. Yes SE, I'm looking at you. Personally I hope it does. Greed should not be rewarded and most of the time it isn't. There are more examples of it blowing up in their faces than them making out for doing these lame deals.

And can we stop playing the whole "they started it, or it's okay when they did it". NO it's not and never was. Greed is tearing this industry apart and you'd have to be blind to the facts that MS played the biggest role in perpetuating the greed that exist today in the gaming industry. I give you XBL and Gears of War.

Just go back and revisit the riff between MS and Epic over MS wanting to charge for DLC and Epic being vehemently against it. If MS had their way with their initial vision for this generation? We would now be paying for having games piecemealed to us. Try and remember that because I sure as h3ll am never going to forget it.

Moves like this wont cause a dent. They usually end up doing the opposite. MS you have a consumer confidence problem and this surely wont help.

I personally will vote with my wallet and not purchase TROTR. I might rent it some day down the road. But I wont purchase it. I always let my wallet do the talking. As I do with almost all DLC. I can list on one (maybe I might need a 2nd but I'm pretty sure it's 1) hand how many times I purchased DLC since they started doing it in console gaming.

I wont purchase any DLC unless it's exceptional and really adds to the games I enjoy most. If more consumers were like me moves like this wouldn't happen in the first place. Move the industry forward my brothers and sisters. Don't divide and destroy! ;)

*puts soapbox away*

Boody-Bandit3532d ago

I had way too much caffeine this morning! ;)

Reddzfoxx3532d ago

People need to grow up. Its releasing first on Xbox one and if you want to play it then get an Xbox one. If you want to wait 6 months to a year when it releases for other formats then go ahead. If you want to further boycott the game and wait another 6 months... No one will stop you.

Everyone without a Xbox one need to put their "Big boy pants" on and move on. Its just a game.

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rmw2hot873532d ago

I'm b trying to tell people that its nothing new. This type of stuff happens.

harrisk9543532d ago

not in the manner that this has occurred.

Neonridr3532d ago

good article that brings up valid points.

Alabamarolltide19903532d ago

It's cry me a river and get over it

incendy353532d ago

So much crying, so much drama.

demonddel3532d ago

That's all those station guy's do

Kane223532d ago

yea, its not like the pc fans were angry at all. just playstation...............

MCTJim3532d ago

Over 20 negative articles about it. I've never seen so much drama over one title. It's not like either company has never had things like this before. Seems like anything MS does is being called money hatting. I just don't understand as this is nothing new with either of the 2 companies.

meganick3532d ago

This is a actually a pretty unique situation. I can't remember the last time a game was announced to be multiplatform only to be changed to an exclusive (timed or not) months later. The exclusivity detail should have been made clear at E3.

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jznrpg349d ago (Edited 349d ago )

Zero Dawn sold really well so I’m not sure this belongs. The second game released next to a big game again and it hurt it some I forget what it was though, oh yeah Elden Ring .
But a good game is a good game to me I don’t care when they release personally but they do have to think about it when you want to get more people to buy it.

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The Tomb Raider Survivor Trilogy's Take on Lara Croft Deserved More Recognition

The Survivor Trilogy was a drastic reimagining of Lara Croft and Tomb Raider, and it provokes changes for the character that are truly fantastic.

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isarai462d ago (Edited 462d ago )

Deserves less IMO, i think the 1st in the new trilogy was a perfect 1st step for the new direction. The next 2 games were half steps at best. Not only that, every character in the series including Lara is just annoying and doesn't make sense in terms of motive, like yes they have a motive, but none of it seems proportional to the lengths they are willing to go through for it. The most annoying thing is every one of the games say "become the Tomb Raider" yet 3 games later and we're still not there? No thanks. Then there's the mess of the 3rd game, massive skill tree that serves almost no purpose as there's literally only like 3-4 short encounters in the whole game, and they took till the 3rd game to finally manage some decent puzzles even remotely close to previous games in the series. Nah, the trilogy infuriated me to no end as a long time fan of the series, i hope we get better going forward cause that crap sucked.

Army_of_Darkness460d ago

The first in the trilogy was my favorite. I thought they were going into the right direction with that one until the second one came out and seemed like a graphical downgrade but the gameplay was okay. As for the Third, Graphics were really nice but it was kinda boring me to death with its non-stop platforming and exploring with not enough action! Well, for me anyway...

DeathTouch460d ago

Graphics on the 3rd one were abysmal. It’s more colorful and has more variety, but everything else was a noticeable downgrade.

The more open world with NPC quests was also handled very poorly, to the point I missed Angel of Darkness.

thesoftware730460d ago

I know it is your opinion, but she did progress as a character in each game, she even got more muscular and seasoned.

That is the thing, people first complained that there was not enough platforming and actual tomb raiding in the first and second games. Shadow remedied that and kept the combat elements.

3-4 encounters? huh? did we play the same game? there was plenty of combat and, the skill tree did matter, like being able to hang enemies from trees, set explosives traps on bodies, being able to counter, and that are just a few of the combat skills. The skill tree also had things like being able to hold your breath underwater longer, crafting upgrades, zipline upgrade, and climbing upgrades that all changed how you can approach situations.

Not knocking your opinion, but we definitely had different experiences. I had 98% completion on the shadow.

SoulWarrior460d ago (Edited 460d ago )

Sorry but i'm with him about the low number of encounters, the game throws loads of weapons and skills you're way with a comparatively low amount of places to actually use them, so they felt under utilised.

-Foxtrot462d ago

Yeah...no

It was awful, for THREE GAMES it was "become the Tomb Raider" where she went back to square one after each game. Not to mention after a huge reaction of killing someone for the first time she then becomes Rambo straight after and goes on a slaughter spree without a single other reaction. Her development was all over the place.

She was whiney, weak and in later game a little arrogant and selfish

Oh and the voice actress compared to the previous ones was not as good

Lara Croft deserved better and while they are decent games as they are, we deserved actual Tomb Raider games, we could have had better survival games if they just stuck with the original Lara Crofts origin about her plane going down. Surviving 2 weeks in the Himalayas...I'd have liked to seen that, who knows what mystical threat she could have faced in the mountains or underground some secret concealed cave.

Tacoboto460d ago

I thought Shadow of the Tomb Raider had better gameplay than Rise, but it annoyed me the most of the trilogy when I stopped to think about the story.

It's like they deliberately decided to make her unlikeable and did nothing to make the character you're playing as likeable or have even one sign of humility.

SoulWarrior462d ago

2013 I thought was a fine entry, but Rise and especially Shadow were painfully mediocre follow ups imo, I really didn't like how selfish and angry her character was in those two.

Terry_B460d ago

No. Please forget the crap completely.

northpaws460d ago

First one was decent, played through it twice.
Second one was okay, played through it once.
Third one was really bad, tried twice a year apart, still can't get through the first two hours, it is just really bad.

thesoftware730460d ago

Honest question, what did you find bad about it? the opening 2 hrs of Shadow were fantastic imo.

The opening was very similar to the first 2, what did you find really bad?

Not looking for an argument, just an honest question.

Starman69460d ago

3rd one just didn't feel like a tomb raider game. Possibly because the development was passed to another development team. Big mistake! Microsoft killed tomb raider making the first game a timed exclusive. Never recovered after that.

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CrimsonWing69841d ago (Edited 841d ago )

They're all solid games, but nothing quite matched the epicness of the first one for me. I think the 3rd one started off strong but once you got to that Peruvian area it took a massive nose dive for me.

lelo2play841d ago (Edited 841d ago )

You got to be kidding!
The first one was great at the time... but this latest trilogy of Tomb Raider games are also great.

LiViNgLeGaCY841d ago

I think he means the first one in the new trilogy.

CrimsonWing69840d ago

I meant the first of the new trilogy.

Furesis840d ago

yeah i remember liking the first one when it came out, so i tried the second one sometime after release and i just could not get into it, i couldn't finish it. So i might try the 3rd now that i got it for free but ehh. But i do remember enjoying the first one, i wonder if i'd feel the same way if i played it today? Better not taint those memories lol

ANIALATOR136840d ago

I was the same for some reason. Never finished the second one. I got like half way through maybe.

ActualWhiteMan840d ago (Edited 840d ago )

The first one of the latest trilogy is a masterpiece

Fishy Fingers841d ago

I'll take a copy of Shadow... Cheers.

Profchaos841d ago

Great games I've played them all on ps4 but it'll be good to finally try shadow on my rtx card.

Double_O_Revan841d ago

Trying to claim them and the store keeps crashing. lol.

gamefreaks365841d ago

EGS has been having issues all day.

RedDevils841d ago

Weird I don't has that issue.

Double_O_Revan841d ago

I finally got it after a while. But it was real bad for a while.

PeeShuter840d ago (Edited 840d ago )

Claim games by going to the website and login using ur credentials. I did the same as i couldnt use epic launcher. Also try reinstalling Epic Launcher I did it and it worked.

Double_O_Revan840d ago

I always go through the website. It was all just down for a while yesterday it seems.

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