"Popular middleware provider Geomerics have worked on AAA cross generation games like like Battlefield 4 and Dragon Age Inquisition."
Seeing how infamous and ryse looks so damn stunning , i would say the current gen will blow us in its third or fourth year , the order 1886 is looking better than any game i have ever seen and nobody can deny that and its a first year game , the future looks bright .
I am hoping it blows us sooner than that
Yes PS4 is about 10 more powerful than last gen consoles.. .. But XB1 is only 6 times more powerful than last generation.
@Newmonday- where do you grt your BS from?! Care to give us any links ?! Most developers have actually said there isnt a big difference and by looking at the games you can see that the ps4 Is NOT that much ahead of the X1, at most id say 15% stronger
@Ripsta7th this not opinion, these are real hardware numbers, you cant argue with math
Bubble up for that one
@newmonday what particular spec are you cherry picking to come up with that?
I wanna get blown
hehehehe. Blown by a console. This feature wasn't revealed last year.
It is the spec on hardware... you really cant deny it. The number or power is tflop. Consoles ability to do calcs per sec. Yet people deny facts. @Ripsta7th lol are you delusional. You ask what number is based off and pull one straight out of your ass? We have hard facts and measured power. It is about 50 percent difference. Supported by fact that it is 60 fps vs 30 or 1080p vs 900 p or any graphics effects.
OldMonday- While the GPU on the PS4 has a theoretical maximum about 40% higher than Xbone, it's CPU is about 15% SLOWER than the Xbone. And due to the fact that no code is perfectly optimized, those differences become less and less. Then when you factor in the API... Sony using a custom version of OpenGL and Microsoft using a custom version of DirectX, the gap narrows because it's a proven fact that DirectX is a faster, easier to use API than OpenGL. Go run the Heaven benchmark on a PC in both DirectX mode and then in OpenGL mode. Not only is the DirectX API faster, if you look closely you'll see it looks superior as well. Here: http://www.g-truc.net/post/... This video here made with an nVidia GTX660 shows not only better visual quality using DirectX... but if you look at the frame counter, DirectX is over over 80% faster than OpenGL. http://youtu.be/-vk__hyOM2M I'm not saying the API on the PS4 is that much slower than Microsoft's, because it wouldn't be factoring in that these are streamlined versions of the respective API's each console, which would result in the difference not being as large, but still something that people cannot ignore. Now instead of hitting the disagree or down-bubble button as a knee-jerk reaction, how about showing some actual proof that i'm wrong? And proof does not mean throwing some made up numbers in a post with no legitimate source. It's going to be pretty hard to refute that youtube video because the only argument that can be made is... "he's wrong. Believe me, not your lying eyes!" hehe.
@ AndrewLB The PS4 uses custom graphics APIs known as GNM and GNMX, both of which are a lot lower level than the OpenGL benchmarks you're posting that are entirely irrelevant to this discussion. GNM allows for a lot of custom access to the PS4 GPU that is not possible with DirectX 11 or OpenGL 4.0, and there is no equivalent to it on the PC. The closest thing would be AMD's Mantle, but even Mantle has a higher level of abstraction than GNM, hence it supporting multiple hardware configuration. Last generation the 360 was actually held back by its less flexible DirectX 9 based graphics API and the fact that Microsoft did not provide developers with low-level hardware access, meanwhile Sony did via LibGCM. This generation might be different but Microsoft and its developers have been more tight-lipped. http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
@Andrew CPU clock speed has little to do with power that's like saying my i3 4ghz is better than i7 3 ghz. Not to mention speed difference is not 15 percent to begin with. Pure delusional. http://gamingbolt.com/subst... And actual benchmark shows stronger ps4 CPU. So when you add these it's more than 50. And direct x is not faster than OpenGL.... Lol it's how devs program it. Not to mention PC direct x is completely different code from x1.and ps4 uses something other than OpenGL. Btw devs have been complaining how crappy X1 API direct x has been for a while. Pure dam delusion man. It's going to be hard refuting that bench mark of real x1 vs ps4. Only argument is "believe me. He's lying. Look at my unrelated PC video" hehehe. Delusion can take you so far man. We already have hard figures and facts.
10 times more powerful my left nut. LOL. What a joke. If this was the case how come the games are still suffering for the same limitations as last gen. Same hallway games, same QTE stuff. Same dodgy dumb AI. Just better visuals (sure as hell not 10 times better looking). @BiggerBoss. Below. LOL delusional. If the Order is the best looking game you have ever seen then you need to start seeing more of the gaming world son. Hallway driven TPS doesn't look that technically impressive in any way. As for how graphics will be towards the end of this gen. about the same as now, the XB1 is maxed out day 1 with Ryse and TF hardly reaching 900p and 30 FPS. The PS4 will only get mild performance increases with SDK's and better optimization over time. The fidelity will be just about the same. Expect the AI to get better once devs drop PS3/360 support for future games. That's about it, the next gen consoles GPU's aren't that powerful to begin with so graphics won't change to much over time. Optimization can only do so much.
If you take 360's GPU as the baseline from last generation because it was the fastest, Xbox One's GPU is something like 5 times as fast, and PS4's GPU about 8 times as fast. This is looking at floating point performance and fillrates. Their CPUs aren't particularly fast and a comparison is difficult because they are extremely different architectures, however its very safe to say they are not 10 times faster than the previous generation CPUs. Arguably their main advantage comes in being easier to use. The consoles also might have more than 10 times the available memory, but not nearly ten times the available memory bandwidth which again, is an important measurement of performance. A computer is only as fast as it's slowest component, therefore it's pretty safe to say even with API improvements they are not really 10 times as fast. This is largely down to the fact they have been built with tighter budget constraints than previous generations, which were much closer to cutting edge PC technology of their period. I'll also toss my hat into the ring and say it's highly unlikely Xbox One's API is any better or faster than PS4's, because developers have said the opposite about their working environment and dev tools since these machines launched. PS4's was further along in maturity. I'm sure Microsoft have clawed a lot of that back already, but I doubt they have made such a leap to clearly overtake Sony's API. If they had, they probably wouldn't be crowing about DX12 which is ages away. Looking at game performance it certainly backs this up. Metro Redux is just another newer example where PS4 easily manages the same or better framerate performance but quite a lot more resolution. I'm sure most quote 912p v 1080p and by doing so, makes the difference seem small. Which is cunning, because in reality they are this: 1620 x 912 versus 1920 x 1080. 1477440 pixels versus 2073600 pixels for PS4. This is a massive performance advantage still. A little over 40 percent more pixels on PS4. Pretty much bang on what you would expect their different hardware performances to show.
Agreed, the Order is just mind blowing. Definitely one of the best looking games ever. And then we have Uncharted, Halo, and SSM and GG's next game to look forward to, I can't even imagine the graphical fidelity games will have by the end of this gen. This will also encourage developers to make better looking games on PC that really utilize the hardware, so everybody wins.
So many disagrees, do y'all not want better looking games or something? It's a fact that this new gen benefits both console and PC players with better graphics
The Order does look good but that gameplay is awful! If great graphics means terrible gameplay I'll pass.
@darx. The gameplay does not look "awful". It's just a standard tps. The guns also look really interesting. I wonder what your opinion is on quantum break? They're both basic tps's but according to certain Xbox fans (not all) the order looks terrible but quantum break is revolutionary. It's quite hypocritical if you ask me
Don't bother looking at the agrees and disagrees. It's N4G. Half of these clowns are morons.
clowns and morons
@boss, don't forget the new gears, I have no doubt that game will look insane. Also, the new racers like forza horizon at 1080/60, and especially drive club...which down right looks real. I'd say the new consoles were a grand well spent. Besides, you can't play uncharted on pc
@darx So the order hasn't been released yet, it hasn't been reviewed yet by any gaming site. No critics have played it yet and voiced their opinion, and I don't think that you have played it either. How on earth can you judge a game that hasn't been released yet and has no reviews anywhere. No I ain't stupid enough to say that u should play the game first to know if it's good or bad. People sometimes know how good/bad a game is from other peoples reviews and opinions. I know that ride to hell retribution is an awful game, yet I never played it. I know it's awful due to all the bad reviews from critics and gamers alike. I also watched a lets play video and it is indeed awful. But seriously judging a game that hasn't been out yet !? At least wait for one lets play vid or one review dude. The order could be a good or bad game, we don't know yet.
@groundbeef Do you doubt U4 will be the game to beat in 2015 both graphically and pretty much everything else for that matter? Cause if you are you really ought to do some research on Naughty Dog.
You are right we cant deny that because we are not you. To say The Order is the best looking game ever is a bit of a stretch, its your opinion though.
Its actually the best looking game right now , but if you think there is a more gorgeous game , please share your opinion with me :)
What's the best looking game ever in your opinion? EDIT: Don't tell Crysis 3 - character models are very detailed but no matter how powerful a PC is - characters' eyes look unnatural. Plus that scene with Psycho is in-engine cutscene, not gameplay, because you can't move and even look around
https://www.youtube.com/wat... and yes this does look better. Dear sony fanboys and not actual sony gamers, any game on PS4 will look miles better on pc.
"Its actually the best looking game right now" Uhhh no. That title belongs to Star Citizen very easily. Nothing really impressive about a tight linear corridor tps. Those games are at the bottom of the technical poll along with fighting games and arcade racers. Witcher 3 and the Division are also well above it. https://www.youtube.com/wat... https://www.youtube.com/wat...
I'm a gamer on all platforms and I don't think star citizen looks impressive at all, I don't know why people think it is the best looking game ever conceived.
Strangelover has a mental disability.
Star Citizen is not a great looking game by any means, it is expansive though which is great. SC, No Man's Sky and WiLD are game changers.
Do you have to take it so literally? Plus he said "the order 1886 is looking better than any game i have ever seen " Keywords "I have ever seen". He never said best looking game ever.
Damn, they've come a long way from grilling to flat out blowing us! What more could anyone want? A lighted cigarette! On topic; I don't think we've seen anything yet. It's going to be a fun generation.
What's the point on having all this graphical power, if the games are going to be boring and repetitive on gameplay like Infamous and Ryse. Graphics isn't everything.
LoL at people who actually believe this..... maybe that guy mean to say the 8GB Ram is 10x more better or something else.... seeing how most games on x1 or ps4 cant do full 1080p at 60fps with out cutting corners(The Order letterbox not full screen 1080p no matter how you try to spin it and its a liner corridor shooter) or being downgraded this statement is false ... maybe 4x but definitely not 10X
I'd guess around 6 - 8 times more powerful myself. One thing Id love to know is now much more powerful the Jaguar CPU in PS4/XB1 than the CELL in the PS3.
Granted that this guy works first hand with these systems and you don't. People are more likely to take his word over yours. Framerate and resolution arent the sole factors in measuring how powerful a system is.
Someone obviously has not seen the new trailer for the order. You know the one where they showed an open dock/pier shootout and the crossbow stealth section that requires melee. Yea I am finding it very interesting all the hate this exclusive is getting.
The Order is locked at 30fps. Letterbox is meant to give it a cinematic feel.
I love how pc fan boys say most games on PS4 are not in 1080P 60fps . They ignore all the games on PS4 that are in 1080P 60fps and the fact that PS4 is only 8 month old. Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare PS4 currently X1 882p @ 60fps (current build) , Unknown (Final) http://m.ign.com/wikis/xbox... Dying Light 1080P 60fps ps4 900p 60fps E3 X1 Killzone SF 1080P 60fps Project Cars 1080P 60fps PS4 X1 targeting 1080P 60fps Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes 1080P 60fps X1 720p Metal Gear Solid V: phantom pain 1080P 60fps X1 unnoticed Metro: Redux 1080P 60fps PS4 X1 900p Murdered: Soul Suspect 1080P 60fps PS4 X1 1080P 30fps http://www.eurogamer.net/ar... Middle-Earth: Shadow Of Mordor PS4 1080P 60fps X1 unnoticed Plants vs Zombies: Garden Warfare PS4 1080P 60fps X1 900p 60fps Planetside 2 ultra pc setting PS4 1080P 60fps Shadow Warrior PS4 1080P 60fps X1 900p 60fps The Last of Us: Remastered PS4 1080P 60fps Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition PS4 1080P 60fps X1 1080P 30fps 900p cut scene Trials Fusion PS4 1080P 60fps X1 900p 60fps Wolfenstein: The New Order PS4 1080P 60fps X1 dynamic resolution Deep Down PS4 1080P 60fps Sniper Elite 3 PS4 1080P 60fps X1 1080P 30fps konami pro evolution soccer PS4 1080P 60fps PS4 X1 unnoticed http://www.cinemablend.com/... MLB 14: The Show PS4 1080P 60fps NBA 2K14 PS4 and X1 1080P 60fps FIFA Soccer 14 PS4 and X1 1080P 60fps John madden football 1080P 60fps PS4 and X1 1080P 60fps Most games are 1080P 60fps on PS4 what about these
PS3 372gflops (total peak theoretical performance) Cell BE 180gflops (approx) Rsx Reality Synthesiser 192gflops (approx) PS4 1800-2000gflops (total peak theoretical performance) AMD Apu (130-150gflops CPU) (1840gflops GPU) So on paper the PS4 is about five times as powerful as the PS3. Also. As you can see the Cell BE in the PS3 is actually more powerful than the CPU in the current consoles. Also. Just to stir the pot a little. The Xbox1 is only about three and a half times as powerful as the PS3. Kinda puts things in perspective doesn't it. And to all the disagrees I know I'll get. These are solid figures I found by doing a little reading and research. Just google it if you want to check my maths ;-)
I agree, but it's not a first year game (release: feb 15)
The fact that NewMonday has so many bubbles just shows the nature of N4G.. Anyway both consoles despite the minute resolution differences are encouraging. I don't remember 360 and ps3 games wowing until year 2
And I'd say the fact you get that many agrees for calling 50% more pixels "minute resolution differences" also shows the nature of N4G.
And yet no game on PS4 looks head and shoulders better than Xbox One. That fact cannot be disproven despite what a spec sheet says.
@Ripsta7th Xbox One is not 10 times as powerful as last gen as it can't even run last gen remasters at 60fps and 1080p. developers are lying to keep stupid Xbox owners from getting upset. Xbox One is closer to the Xbox 360 than PS4. as this gen carries on the Xbox One will struggle more and more. if you don't believe me you will learn the hard way sooner or later. so pathetic that a company as cash rich as MS are st stingy and greedy to make a powerful console. with the amount of money MS have they should be making a console that even PCs couldn't match but thaey aren't because they know they can get away with it because their fans are dumb.
Its not nice calling people stupid.Did you mommy teach you to talk like that. A typical Sony fanboy, always on damage control.
Certain dev's are better at making the most with what they are given.
Unfortunately we're actually pretty much capping out now. Previous gens took so long to cap out because of how long it took to figure out the tricks for getting the most out of each system's custom architecture. We're dealing with good old fashioned(not in a bad way) x86 now. Which is why the start of this generation for the twins hasn't had such an awkward transition phase as was with previous generational transitions.
The future looks bright for ps4 with the order and all those indies, but the future is now on xbox one , that sunset overdrive looks and plays amazing and that quantum break demo was out of this world just cant stop thinking about it. I'm on level 5 in Ryse son of rome and I just have to stop playing every 5 min. just to see how amazing it looks.
Correction it makes PS4 10.5x more poweeeful than the PS3 and Xbox One 10x more powerful than 360.
I'm glad people like you stay on the internet so I don't have to meet you in real life.
Wow! Arbitrary quantifiers sure are arbitrary! My old Xbox has about 300% the power of my PS4, by the most important metric of all: bludgeoning potential.
My PC would bludgeon harder than all your consoles combined. Which is why it cost more.
A PC tower is too large to effectively leverage.
doesn't matter, I'm really strong
You made me laugh, man. Bubbles fot that. :)
and yet both struggle to reach 1080p 60fps hmmmm.....
Except for good ol PC MUSTARD RACE. Instead of worrying about resulution and frame rate, you worry about signing petition to get console games on Pc.
Haha, true effing that. And as a PC gamer you're never happy. U must pester the so called "console peasants" with snardy (yes, I made it up, sue me)comments about framerate/resolution.
I have seen PS Fanboys doing worst such sending death threats to the families of developers who makes exclusive games for Microsoft. At least they are civil enough to request for something without the use of violence. I am also seeing articles of PS Fanboys crying over Witcher 3 because they are not getting a cloth map and card game.
That truth will hurt a lot of feelings around here.
Lol more PR talk. I personal haven't seen it. I played both systems and haven't seen anything that screams next Gen. Best gaming right now is PC plus ps360 imo.
AC Unity, Bloodborne, Quantum Break and UC4 all look pretty next gen to me. But you're entitled to your opinion.
non of those games are out so again "Best gaming right now is PC plus ps360" imo
Does that assume PS4 and Xone are equally as powerful? Would one be 10x and the other 9x or 8x.