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Submitted by Rashid Sayed 30d ago | news

PS4/Xbox One Are 10 Times More Powerful Than Last-Gen, 8GB Sufficient For New Graphical Benchmarks

"Popular middleware provider Geomerics have worked on AAA cross generation games like like Battlefield 4 and Dragon Age Inquisition." (PS4, Xbox One)

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DarkOcelet  +   30d ago
Seeing how infamous and ryse looks so damn stunning , i would say the current gen will blow us in its third or fourth year , the order 1886 is looking better than any game i have ever seen and nobody can deny that and its a first year game , the future looks bright .
MonkeyOne  +   30d ago | Funny
I am hoping it blows us sooner than that
system22  +   29d ago
lol
NewMonday  +   29d ago
Yes PS4 is about 10 more powerful than last gen consoles..

.. But XB1 is only 6 times more powerful than last generation.
Ripsta7th  +   29d ago | Intelligent
@Newmonday- where do you grt your BS from?! Care to give us any links ?! Most developers have actually said there isnt a big difference and by looking at the games you can see that the ps4 Is NOT that much ahead of the X1, at most id say 15% stronger
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NewMonday  +   29d ago
@Ripsta7th

this not opinion, these are real hardware numbers, you cant argue with math
jjb1981  +   29d ago
Bubble up for that one
Volkama  +   29d ago
@newmonday what particular spec are you cherry picking to come up with that?
umair_s51  +   29d ago
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VealParmHero  +   29d ago
I wanna get blown
lfc_4eva  +   29d ago
hehehehe.

Blown by a console.
This feature wasn't revealed last year.
GameNameFame  +   29d ago
It is the spec on hardware... you really cant deny it.

The number or power is tflop. Consoles ability to do calcs per sec.

Yet people deny facts.
@Ripsta7th lol are you delusional. You ask what number is based off and pull one straight out of your ass?

We have hard facts and measured power. It is about 50 percent difference. Supported by fact that it is 60 fps vs 30 or 1080p vs 900 p or any graphics effects.
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AndrewLB  +   29d ago | Intelligent
OldMonday- While the GPU on the PS4 has a theoretical maximum about 40% higher than Xbone, it's CPU is about 15% SLOWER than the Xbone. And due to the fact that no code is perfectly optimized, those differences become less and less.

Then when you factor in the API... Sony using a custom version of OpenGL and Microsoft using a custom version of DirectX, the gap narrows because it's a proven fact that DirectX is a faster, easier to use API than OpenGL. Go run the Heaven benchmark on a PC in both DirectX mode and then in OpenGL mode. Not only is the DirectX API faster, if you look closely you'll see it looks superior as well.

Here: http://www.g-truc.net/post/...

This video here made with an nVidia GTX660 shows not only better visual quality using DirectX... but if you look at the frame counter, DirectX is over over 80% faster than OpenGL.

http://youtu.be/-vk__hyOM2M

I'm not saying the API on the PS4 is that much slower than Microsoft's, because it wouldn't be factoring in that these are streamlined versions of the respective API's each console, which would result in the difference not being as large, but still something that people cannot ignore.

Now instead of hitting the disagree or down-bubble button as a knee-jerk reaction, how about showing some actual proof that i'm wrong? And proof does not mean throwing some made up numbers in a post with no legitimate source.

It's going to be pretty hard to refute that youtube video because the only argument that can be made is... "he's wrong. Believe me, not your lying eyes!" hehe.
OpenGL  +   29d ago | Well said
@ AndrewLB

The PS4 uses custom graphics APIs known as GNM and GNMX, both of which are a lot lower level than the OpenGL benchmarks you're posting that are entirely irrelevant to this discussion. GNM allows for a lot of custom access to the PS4 GPU that is not possible with DirectX 11 or OpenGL 4.0, and there is no equivalent to it on the PC. The closest thing would be AMD's Mantle, but even Mantle has a higher level of abstraction than GNM, hence it supporting multiple hardware configuration.

Last generation the 360 was actually held back by its less flexible DirectX 9 based graphics API and the fact that Microsoft did not provide developers with low-level hardware access, meanwhile Sony did via LibGCM.

This generation might be different but Microsoft and its developers have been more tight-lipped.

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
GameNameFame  +   29d ago
@Andrew

CPU clock speed has little to do with power that's like saying my i3 4ghz is better than i7 3 ghz. Not to mention speed difference is not 15 percent to begin with.

Pure delusional.

http://gamingbolt.com/subst...

And actual benchmark shows stronger ps4 CPU.

So when you add these it's more than 50. And direct x is not faster than OpenGL.... Lol it's how devs program it. Not to mention PC direct x is completely different code from x1.and ps4 uses something other than OpenGL.

Btw devs have been complaining how crappy X1 API direct x has been for a while.

Pure dam delusion man. It's going to be hard refuting that bench mark of real x1 vs ps4. Only argument is "believe me. He's lying. Look at my unrelated PC video" hehehe. Delusion can take you so far man. We already have hard figures and facts.
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Wizard_King  +   29d ago
10 times more powerful my left nut. LOL. What a joke.

If this was the case how come the games are still suffering for the same limitations as last gen. Same hallway games, same QTE stuff. Same dodgy dumb AI. Just better visuals (sure as hell not 10 times better looking).

@BiggerBoss. Below. LOL delusional.

If the Order is the best looking game you have ever seen then you need to start seeing more of the gaming world son. Hallway driven TPS doesn't look that technically impressive in any way.

As for how graphics will be towards the end of this gen. about the same as now, the XB1 is maxed out day 1 with Ryse and TF hardly reaching 900p and 30 FPS. The PS4 will only get mild performance increases with SDK's and better optimization over time. The fidelity will be just about the same. Expect the AI to get better once devs drop PS3/360 support for future games. That's about it, the next gen consoles GPU's aren't that powerful to begin with so graphics won't change to much over time. Optimization can only do so much.
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vulcanproject  +   29d ago
If you take 360's GPU as the baseline from last generation because it was the fastest, Xbox One's GPU is something like 5 times as fast, and PS4's GPU about 8 times as fast.

This is looking at floating point performance and fillrates.

Their CPUs aren't particularly fast and a comparison is difficult because they are extremely different architectures, however its very safe to say they are not 10 times faster than the previous generation CPUs. Arguably their main advantage comes in being easier to use.

The consoles also might have more than 10 times the available memory, but not nearly ten times the available memory bandwidth which again, is an important measurement of performance.

A computer is only as fast as it's slowest component, therefore it's pretty safe to say even with API improvements they are not really 10 times as fast.

This is largely down to the fact they have been built with tighter budget constraints than previous generations, which were much closer to cutting edge PC technology of their period.

I'll also toss my hat into the ring and say it's highly unlikely Xbox One's API is any better or faster than PS4's, because developers have said the opposite about their working environment and dev tools since these machines launched. PS4's was further along in maturity.

I'm sure Microsoft have clawed a lot of that back already, but I doubt they have made such a leap to clearly overtake Sony's API. If they had, they probably wouldn't be crowing about DX12 which is ages away.

Looking at game performance it certainly backs this up.

Metro Redux is just another newer example where PS4 easily manages the same or better framerate performance but quite a lot more resolution.

I'm sure most quote 912p v 1080p and by doing so, makes the difference seem small.

Which is cunning, because in reality they are this:

1620 x 912 versus 1920 x 1080.

1477440 pixels versus 2073600 pixels for PS4.

This is a massive performance advantage still. A little over 40 percent more pixels on PS4. Pretty much bang on what you would expect their different hardware performances to show.
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BiggerBoss  +   30d ago
Agreed, the Order is just mind blowing. Definitely one of the best looking games ever. And then we have Uncharted, Halo, and SSM and GG's next game to look forward to, I can't even imagine the graphical fidelity games will have by the end of this gen. This will also encourage developers to make better looking games on PC that really utilize the hardware, so everybody wins.
BiggerBoss  +   29d ago
So many disagrees, do y'all not want better looking games or something?
It's a fact that this new gen benefits both console and PC players with better graphics
darx  +   29d ago
The Order does look good but that gameplay is awful! If great graphics means terrible gameplay I'll pass.
BiggerBoss  +   29d ago
@darx. The gameplay does not look "awful". It's just a standard tps. The guns also look really interesting. I wonder what your opinion is on quantum break? They're both basic tps's but according to certain Xbox fans (not all) the order looks terrible but quantum break is revolutionary. It's quite hypocritical if you ask me
Obz  +   29d ago
Don't bother looking at the agrees and disagrees. It's N4G. Half of these clowns are morons.
umair_s51  +   29d ago
clowns and morons
VealParmHero  +   29d ago
@boss, don't forget the new gears, I have no doubt that game will look insane. Also, the new racers like forza horizon at 1080/60, and especially drive club...which down right looks real. I'd say the new consoles were a grand well spent. Besides, you can't play uncharted on pc
ground_beef  +   29d ago
@darx
So the order hasn't been released yet, it hasn't been reviewed yet by any gaming site. No critics have played it yet and voiced their opinion, and I don't think that you have played it either.

How on earth can you judge a game that hasn't been released yet and has no reviews anywhere.

No I ain't stupid enough to say that u should play the game first to know if it's good or bad. People sometimes know how good/bad a game is from other peoples reviews and opinions. I know that ride to hell retribution is an awful game, yet I never played it. I know it's awful due to all the bad reviews from critics and gamers alike. I also watched a lets play video and it is indeed awful.

But seriously judging a game that hasn't been out yet !? At least wait for one lets play vid or one review dude. The order could be a good or bad game, we don't know yet.
UltraNova  +   29d ago
@groundbeef

Do you doubt U4 will be the game to beat in 2015 both graphically and pretty much everything else for that matter?

Cause if you are you really ought to do some research on Naughty Dog.
TheBurger29  +   30d ago
You are right we cant deny that because we are not you. To say The Order is the best looking game ever is a bit of a stretch, its your opinion though.
DarkOcelet  +   29d ago
Its actually the best looking game right now , but if you think there is a more gorgeous game , please share your opinion with me :)
Strangelover  +   29d ago
What's the best looking game ever in your opinion?
EDIT: Don't tell Crysis 3 - character models are very detailed but no matter how powerful a PC is - characters' eyes look unnatural. Plus that scene with Psycho is in-engine cutscene, not gameplay, because you can't move and even look around
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TheBurger29  +   29d ago
https://www.youtube.com/wat... and yes this does look better. Dear sony fanboys and not actual sony gamers, any game on PS4 will look miles better on pc.
sorane  +   29d ago
"Its actually the best looking game right now"

Uhhh no. That title belongs to Star Citizen very easily. Nothing really impressive about a tight linear corridor tps. Those games are at the bottom of the technical poll along with fighting games and arcade racers. Witcher 3 and the Division are also well above it.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

https://www.youtube.com/wat...
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XBLSkull  +   29d ago
I'm a gamer on all platforms and I don't think star citizen looks impressive at all, I don't know why people think it is the best looking game ever conceived.
Obz  +   29d ago
Strangelover has a mental disability.
BitbyDeath  +   29d ago
Star Citizen is not a great looking game by any means, it is expansive though which is great.

SC, No Man's Sky and WiLD are game changers.
d3nworth1  +   29d ago
Do you have to take it so literally? Plus he said "the order 1886 is looking better than any game i have ever seen " Keywords "I have ever seen". He never said best looking game ever.
stuna1  +   29d ago
Damn, they've come a long way from grilling to flat out blowing us! What more could anyone want? A lighted cigarette!

On topic; I don't think we've seen anything yet. It's going to be a fun generation.
Mega24  +   29d ago
What's the point on having all this graphical power, if the games are going to be boring and repetitive on gameplay like Infamous and Ryse.

Graphics isn't everything.
gapecanpie  +   29d ago
LoL at people who actually believe this..... maybe that guy mean to say the 8GB Ram is 10x more better or something else.... seeing how most games on x1 or ps4 cant do full 1080p at 60fps with out cutting corners(The Order letterbox not full screen 1080p no matter how you try to spin it and its a liner corridor shooter) or being downgraded this statement is false ... maybe 4x but definitely not 10X
retro_  +   29d ago
I'd guess around 6 - 8 times more powerful myself.

One thing Id love to know is now much more powerful the Jaguar CPU in PS4/XB1 than the CELL in the PS3.
d3nworth1  +   29d ago
Granted that this guy works first hand with these systems and you don't. People are more likely to take his word over yours. Framerate and resolution arent the sole factors in measuring how powerful a system is.
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OsirisBlack  +   29d ago
Someone obviously has not seen the new trailer for the order. You know the one where they showed an open dock/pier shootout and the crossbow stealth section that requires melee. Yea I am finding it very interesting all the hate this exclusive is getting.
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ShadowWolf712  +   29d ago
The Order is locked at 30fps. Letterbox is meant to give it a cinematic feel.
Evilsnuggle  +   29d ago
I love how pc fan boys say most games on PS4 are not in 1080P 60fps . They ignore all the games on PS4 that are in 1080P 60fps and the fact that PS4 is only 8 month old.

Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare PS4 currently X1 882p @ 60fps (current build) [12], Unknown (Final) http://m.ign.com/wikis/xbox...

Dying Light 1080P 60fps ps4 900p 60fps E3 X1

Killzone SF 1080P 60fps

Project Cars 1080P 60fps PS4 X1 targeting 1080P 60fps

Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes 1080P 60fps X1 720p

Metal Gear Solid V: phantom pain 1080P 60fps X1 unnoticed

Metro: Redux 1080P 60fps PS4 X1 900p

Murdered: Soul Suspect 1080P 60fps PS4 X1 1080P 30fps http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Middle-Earth: Shadow Of Mordor PS4 1080P 60fps X1 unnoticed

Plants vs Zombies: Garden Warfare PS4 1080P 60fps X1 900p 60fps

Planetside 2 ultra pc setting PS4 1080P 60fps

Shadow Warrior PS4 1080P 60fps X1 900p 60fps

The Last of Us: Remastered PS4 1080P 60fps

Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition PS4 1080P 60fps X1 1080P 30fps 900p cut scene

Trials Fusion PS4 1080P 60fps X1 900p 60fps

Wolfenstein: The New Order PS4 1080P 60fps X1 dynamic resolution

Deep Down PS4 1080P 60fps

Sniper Elite 3 PS4 1080P 60fps X1 1080P 30fps

konami pro evolution soccer PS4 1080P 60fps PS4 X1 unnoticed
http://www.cinemablend.com/...

MLB 14: The Show PS4 1080P 60fps

NBA 2K14 PS4 and X1 1080P 60fps

FIFA Soccer 14 PS4 and X1 1080P 60fps

John madden football 1080P 60fps PS4 and X1 1080P 60fps

Most games are 1080P 60fps on PS4 what about these
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purp13m0nk3y  +   29d ago
PS3 372gflops (total peak theoretical performance) Cell BE 180gflops (approx) Rsx Reality Synthesiser 192gflops (approx)

PS4 1800-2000gflops (total peak theoretical performance) AMD Apu (130-150gflops CPU) (1840gflops GPU)

So on paper the PS4 is about five times as powerful as the PS3.

Also. As you can see the Cell BE in the PS3 is actually more powerful than the CPU in the current consoles.

Also. Just to stir the pot a little. The Xbox1 is only about three and a half times as powerful as the PS3. Kinda puts things in perspective doesn't it.

And to all the disagrees I know I'll get. These are solid figures I found by doing a little reading and research. Just google it if you want to check my maths ;-)
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Hk85karlsson  +   29d ago
I agree, but it's not a first year game (release: feb 15)
Sm00thNinja  +   29d ago
The fact that NewMonday has so many bubbles just shows the nature of N4G.. Anyway both consoles despite the minute resolution differences are encouraging. I don't remember 360 and ps3 games wowing until year 2
CaptainObvious878  +   29d ago
And I'd say the fact you get that many agrees for calling 50% more pixels "minute resolution differences" also shows the nature of N4G.
Sm00thNinja  +   28d ago
And yet no game on PS4 looks head and shoulders better than Xbox One. That fact cannot be disproven despite what a spec sheet says.
spacedelete  +   29d ago
@Ripsta7th Xbox One is not 10 times as powerful as last gen as it can't even run last gen remasters at 60fps and 1080p. developers are lying to keep stupid Xbox owners from getting upset. Xbox One is closer to the Xbox 360 than PS4. as this gen carries on the Xbox One will struggle more and more. if you don't believe me you will learn the hard way sooner or later.

so pathetic that a company as cash rich as MS are st stingy and greedy to make a powerful console. with the amount of money MS have they should be making a console that even PCs couldn't match but thaey aren't because they know they can get away with it because their fans are dumb.
thexmanone  +   29d ago
Its not nice calling people stupid.Did you mommy teach you to talk like that. A typical Sony fanboy, always on damage control.
DanzoSAMA  +   29d ago
Lol
3-4-5  +   29d ago
Certain dev's are better at making the most with what they are given.
stragomccloud  +   29d ago
Unfortunately we're actually pretty much capping out now. Previous gens took so long to cap out because of how long it took to figure out the tricks for getting the most out of each system's custom architecture. We're dealing with good old fashioned(not in a bad way) x86 now. Which is why the start of this generation for the twins hasn't had such an awkward transition phase as was with previous generational transitions.
VforVideogames  +   29d ago
The future looks bright for ps4 with the order and all those indies, but the future is now on xbox one , that sunset overdrive looks and plays amazing and that quantum break demo was out of this world just cant stop thinking about it. I'm on level 5 in Ryse son of rome and I just have to stop playing every 5 min. just to see how amazing it looks.
B1uBurneR  +   30d ago
Correction it makes PS4 10.5x more poweeeful than the PS3 and Xbox One 10x more powerful than 360.
TripC50  +   29d ago
I'm glad people like you stay on the internet so I don't have to meet you in real life.
Sly-Lupin  +   30d ago
Wow! Arbitrary quantifiers sure are arbitrary!

My old Xbox has about 300% the power of my PS4, by the most important metric of all: bludgeoning potential.
Volkama  +   29d ago
My PC would bludgeon harder than all your consoles combined. Which is why it cost more.
Sly-Lupin  +   28d ago
A PC tower is too large to effectively leverage.
Volkama  +   28d ago
doesn't matter, I'm really strong
JCDenton  +   29d ago
You made me laugh, man. Bubbles fot that. :)
KrimzonSnow  +   30d ago
and yet both struggle to reach 1080p 60fps hmmmm.....
zsquaresoff  +   29d ago
Except for good ol PC MUSTARD RACE.

Instead of worrying about resulution and frame rate, you worry about signing petition to get console games on Pc.
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Hk85karlsson  +   29d ago
Haha, true effing that. And as a PC gamer you're never happy. U must pester the so called "console peasants" with snardy (yes, I made it up, sue me)comments about framerate/resolution.
fullmetal297  +   29d ago
I have seen PS Fanboys doing worst such sending death threats to the families of developers who makes exclusive games for Microsoft. At least they are civil enough to request for something without the use of violence.

I am also seeing articles of PS Fanboys crying over Witcher 3 because they are not getting a cloth map and card game.
gapecanpie  +   29d ago
That truth will hurt a lot of feelings around here.
SlavisH2  +   29d ago
Lol more PR talk. I personal haven't seen it. I played both systems and haven't seen anything that screams next Gen. Best gaming right now is PC plus ps360 imo.
LOGICWINS  +   29d ago
AC Unity, Bloodborne, Quantum Break and UC4 all look pretty next gen to me. But you're entitled to your opinion.
SlavisH2  +   29d ago
non of those games are out so again "Best gaming right now is PC plus ps360" imo
mochachino  +   29d ago
Does that assume PS4 and Xone are equally as powerful? Would one be 10x and the other 9x or 8x.
LOGICWINS  +   29d ago
Does it really matter? The PS4 is a huge improvement from the PS3. The Xbox One is a huge improvement from the 360. As a gamer, this is all I care about.
Macdaddy71  +   29d ago
I have to agree with LOG!!! Does it even Matter???
Sony or MS would have Never released the next gen systems if they was Not more powerful, it's crazy to even talk bout it,...look at the games if you don't think there more powerful you don't even need to play games,..
Are the next gen games better then last gen?? Ask that....
JasonChalker  +   29d ago
You cant call the xbox one a huge improvement. Lets be honest. This is a shot from metro redux http://i.imgur.com/52uwUq7....
strangeaeon  +   29d ago
Does EVERY comment made end up seeming like a slight against the PS4 with you people? You need some serious therapy.
parentsbasement  +   29d ago
I just hope both are reliable long term , no lights of death......something good comes out on PS4 , ill play that ......something good on Xbox 1 , ill play that......if its on both , then I get to choose ......
windblowsagain  +   29d ago
XB1 IS 4 times more powerful then last gen.

PS4 IS 8 times more powerful then last gen.

Yes it's a fact
mediate-this  +   29d ago
So you're saying ps4 is two times as powerful as xb1 but ps4 cant don1080p plus 60fps without cutting corners?
windblowsagain  +   29d ago
The problem isn't the GPU, It's getting the PS4'S cpu fully running. Then Compute.

XBOX 360 - 4.0 GIGAPIXELS.
http://winsupersite.com/pro...

PS3 - 4.4 GIGAPIXELS.
http://www.techpowerup.com/...

http://vr-zone.com/articles...

Xbox got more pixel throughput after Microsoft increased the frequency.

XBOXONE 13.1 GIGAPIXELS.

PS4 25.6 GIGAPIXELS.

Wii u 4.4 GIGAPIXELS.

http://www.techpowerup.com/...

That's why Many games Wii U ran at similar rez and framerate to PS3/360 Versions.
JasonChalker  +   29d ago
How can you argue with this http://i.imgur.com/52uwUq7....
Yetter  +   29d ago
really? Then you wouldn't mind providing a link?
MonkeyOne  +   29d ago
Something doesn't quite add up here.

We're being told that these consoles are 10 times more powerful and yet the Xbox One can't even hit 1080p on a lot of games and the PS4 is still running at 30 FPS on a lot of games.

Sorry folks but the math is shady.
Igniter  +   29d ago
It's theortical power. It takes software that's up to date to use that power. That's why it takes developers a few years into a cycle to pump out games that really are better than the last gen.
MonkeyOne  +   29d ago
Sorry but that's kind of ridiculous

If these systems are actually 8 or 10 times more powerful than the 360 and PS3 then they should have enough raw horsepower to easily hit 1080p 60FPS with full anti aliasing and aniso filtering.

It's time to stop throwing these terms around like "8 and 10 times more powerful" and see things more clearly.
DoubleTTB22  +   29d ago
Think of it this way, You can run San Andreas at 4k 120fps but the game would still be very outdated and pale in comparison to GTA V ( even at 720p 30fps) on a technical level.

Frame rate and resolution are very poor indicators of a generational gap. The only reason people harp on them so much is because it is easier to get a legion of people on the Internet to complain about resolution than it is to get them to argue about texture quality, models, lighting, animations, etc.

If generational leaps were only about higher resolution and framerate than everyone would be playing 64 bit games on their PS4 at 4K 120fps and be happy with that level of quality. But that just isn't how this works.

Anyways, the new consoles do have enough power to run all last gen games at 1080p 60fps. It is just that a lot more goes into making better looking and playing games than just upgrading resolution and frame rate.
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Lennoxb63  +   29d ago
This is exactly what I'm saying. I play fallout 3 on my PC at 1440p 60fps and it still looks like crap. But Fallout 3 is still my favorite game of last gen. Yet there are games at a lower resolution that look miles better this gen. So it really proves that resolution is a very small part of the spectrum.
Tsar4ever  +   29d ago
As to this LIE that the both consoles are 10 times the power of the last gen consoles is exaggerated. In calculated truth, the ps4 is about 8 times the power of the ps3, not 10. Not even M. Cerny never really said the ps4 is 10 times more powerful, he said "Up to ten times", which is not the same as saying 10 times.

So Buy running the numbers on Gfops & Tfops on both consoles Ps3/Ps4 like this Japanese site page explains this more accurately (*translater needed) http://www.4gamer.net/games...

I can't say anything about how much XB1 is to 360 cuz I don't know how to run the numbers, except to say that XB1 is marginally weaker than Ps4 (*GPU wise) so as this site has shown recently. http://wccftech.com/playsta...
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ironmonkey  +   29d ago
Good luck trying to run those pc games maxed out. If you cant you fail. Consoles are optimized to its full potential. That makes it better already.
manchesterman22  +   29d ago
all i have to say about this is, look back to last gen look at the games at the start of it (the outfit) and then compare them to games at the end of its life cycle (gta 5) same goes for any console, as the years go by games will get better and better just be patient
blakstarz  +   29d ago
8GIG is way more than enough IMO....if R* can make a stunning game like GTAV with a paltry 512MB...if Naught Dog can make Uncharted with a paltry 512MB.....then dammit I don't want to hear shit from devs saying that can't do this or do that....

But this is why I can't understand why the XB1 has such a hard time with resolution issues and such...that damn thing has horsepower as well, I fail to see how big a deal is with 8GIG DDR3 from DDR5 yes...its faster I get that, but the fact that you are working with 8GIGS period as oppose to 512MB...I just don't see what the problem is, now I know the 32 eSRAM issue comes up, but I still don't see how what the ram and CPU's in both systems why is one is having that much more of a problem.

I dunno....I guess there is more to it than I know.
Holeran  +   29d ago
Plenty more than enough ram. As for the ddr3 vs ddr5 it all comes down to "through put", how fast data moves through one pipeline vs how fast it runs through another. If it has a tremendous amount of data and it can't get it through to the gpu or cpu and back again fast enough things will suffer for it.
imchuckbass  +   29d ago
Good lord, memory isn't everything. Why don't people understand this?

IPC for your CPU and shaders/stream processors for your GPU are far more important. This is where the new consoles suffer (due to cost), and why so many games are downgraded before release

Adding 64gb of DDR3/GDDR5 to your APU isn't suddenly going to make every game 1080p 60fps. Memory is merely one part.
RedCloud88  +   29d ago
GDDR5 and DDR5 are very different things.
iceman600  +   29d ago
"PS4/Xbox One Are 10 Times More Powerful Than Last-Gen"

lol yeah right that's why alot of the games look almost identical, and in some cases better on last gen compared to these already, tapped, outdated systems lol. Only sheep will believe this crap, because if they were 10 times better it would be beyond even 4k which would be impossible......oh and the xboxone wouldn't be failing in last place.
Spotie  +   29d ago
The bad news: You have ZERO clue what the hell you're talking about.

The good news: You're far from the only clueless one in this article.
iceman600  +   27d ago
Bad news your a degenerate, but good news you probably wont live long to regret it. lol Stupid noobs dont know they paid for outdated garbage that's already maxed out haha.
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imchuckbass  +   29d ago
They say this, but then when the game actually comes out, 900p 30fps (dropping to 20fps during heavy action)

Honestly this is getting old. Neither of them are powerful, so please stop lying to us telling us they are. Focus on other things they CAN achieve like good gameplay.
marioJP87  +   29d ago
100% agreed. Bubble up received!
tee_bag242  +   26d ago
Yep well said. Bubble up.
SaveFerris  +   29d ago
The previous generation suffered from parity. This generation seems to be about downgrades.
I don't want to hear PR guff about 'platform parity'. I want to see developers push PC, PS4 and XBox One as far as they can.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating.
Gezmoyassine  +   29d ago
I though that it was 5gb and the other 3gb is reserved for OS
Not the entire 8gb was available for the developers.
strangeaeon  +   29d ago
I think BOTH consoles are disappointing on the hardware side.But then again, I believe both offer compelling software that more than makes up for it.
Meltic  +   29d ago
if Ps4/X1 is 10 times more powerfuller than ps3/Xbox 360 then how much powerfuller is the PC ?
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chobit_A5HL3Y  +   29d ago
depends what kind of pc you have. current gen is more powerful than the laptop i have right now.
iceman600  +   27d ago
"if Ps4/X1 is 10 times more powerfuller than ps3/Xbox 360 then how much powerfuller is the PC?"

1 million :)
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hiawa23  +   29d ago
Meh, this 6 or 7 or 8 9 or 10 x's more talk is bs. It always comes down to the devs and what they do with what they have, not what is on paper. By console standards, they are fine. I think most of us just want better than we got last gen, & both consoles, both consoles, should be capable of doing that. We get it that the PC is the ultimate gaming platform if you are talking power, but many of us are console only gamers and really don't care what is done on the PC. The consoles are fine as my tastes go. The PS3 had 256x256, the Xbox 360 had 512M, both next gen consoles have at least 5GBs of ram available, that has to translate to better than we got last gen when devs were always complaining about those consoles not having enough ram. It is hilarious the hate so many still have for MS. They bash the X1 every chance they get, yet polishing Sony's PS4 pickle every chance they get. Looking forward to both consoles doing well, which is why I own both, and hope they both do well, & hopefully, the Wiiu gets some better support as competition is better for all gamers. At least, that is how I see it.
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parentsbasement  +   29d ago
Well you see it correctly sir......
Swiftcricket  +   29d ago
I agree with you that we shouldn't care about how much more powerful things are, but you're making a similar mistake that most people that don't work with hardware make. And that is that RAM is the main factor in a how powerful a console/PC is. It is important, but the GPU is the main thing that determines power and is where PS4 gets its performance gap over the Xbox. It has a slight RAM advantage too but that's not as significant as the GPU. The RAM was a pretty big bottleneck last generation though so it's definitely nice they both stepped it up greatly.

Not saying the Xbox is a slouch though, it's not at all. The extra resolution/framerate and a few extra effects is just all it takes to use up that extra ~45% power that PS4 has which is why the differences aren't all that great to most people. Which is why people should just get whatever has the games they prefer, you'll get a great experience either way even with the gap in power. Or if they can afford it, get both.
hiawa23  +   29d ago
I get what u r saying, like I said is why I own both consoles, and just plan on enjoying what they both bring to the table. Right now I am enjoying the One more than I am the PS4. So, whatever how many times they are more powerful than last gen, I don't care, I just want good games and both consoles have plenty under the hood to do that as far as I am concerned.
marioJP87  +   29d ago
Haven't seen anything that really proves this that's currently out and consoles have been out almost a year. Thing is, we're not like "WOW" like we were when with the graphical leap from PS2 to PS3. We didn't get that this time around.
Zeixama  +   29d ago
Both of them are more powerful than the last generation, but still they are less powerful than PS2, combined. What makes a gaming console powerful is its video game library, other than hardware.
hiawa23  +   29d ago
I owned a PS2 but hated its hardware. I remember wanting to return the console on launch, when I got it. I played all multiplats on the Xbox, especially if they were online, and it seems only the Sony devs could get good performance out of it, aside from a few devs. Most of of low res shimmering visuals gave me nauseating feeling. I actually preferred the Dreamcast to it, but there is no doubt the console had support and software.
Artemidorus  +   29d ago
Not even a year yet and everyone crying about numbers.

You got Bill Gates wannabes on this site pulling numbers from their two figure IQ brains about things they got no clue about.

Common sense will tell you as the console improves and matures, you will see the improvements. If you want a numbers war then I suggest the latest PC's that make Playstation 4 look like it was something from the Gamecube era.
stormswrath  +   29d ago
Everyone seems so worried about graphics but what I really want is next gen gameplay experiences. I don't want games to look better than last gen but still utilize dumb ai or the same old tired game mechanics. We should start seeing improvements across the board. Gameplay and graphics in that order.
stefan771  +   29d ago
Not powerful enough to provide 180p 60fps and real next gen graphics though
Ulf  +   29d ago
10x? Where did that number come from?

The GPUs are about 4-5x as powerful (depending on which machine you're talking about), and the CPUs are about 2x what the 360 CPU was (which is still weaker than a well-utilized Cell).

They have 16x the memory, but I'm not seeing "10x the power" anywhere. If they actually had 10x the power, we would be seeing true 1080p left and right ...and also, they would cost $600.
SSJBen  +   29d ago
10 more powerful, but games doesn't look 10 times better.

Lol, yeah.
WitWolfy  +   29d ago
If the consoles are "SO POWERFUL" then add BC for God's sakes.. Oh yeah right, "the architecture is too different" how ignorant of me...
DarXyde  +   29d ago
Games look markedly better, but let's be honest: graphics will need to taper off somewhere. Eventually, developers will likely stop trying to do crazy polys and focus on expanding the worlds, adding special effects, etc.

People can ask for better graphics through higher resolutions and poly counts all they like, but that only means it'll take forever for these games to actually be produced. If you thought the wait was bad on PlayStation 3/XBOX 360 and PlayStation 4/XBOX One, just wait. Even if graphics COULD look 10 times better, good luck seeing a game like that within the current generation life span.
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windblowsagain  +   29d ago
Provided links.

People on here don't like the truth.

360 4.0 gpixels
WII 4.4 gpixels
PS3 4.4 gpixels
Xboxone 13.1 gpixels
PS4 25.6 gpixels

780ti does 48gpixels

R9 290X ATI does 64gpixels.
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