While the PlayStation Vita isn't doing well, perhaps PlayStation TV might be able to save the Vita brand
For PS TV, If sony want it to work they need to change the UI, the bubbles interface was made for touch, the keypad controls on it are not nice to exclusively navigate with. Or have support for using the DS4 touchpad as an input for selecting the games or swiping through pages, if that's possible.
True, ease of navigation with the user interface is important. People just don't like going through tons of screens and anything to make that process faster would be highly welcomed
Exactly, if they want to compete against the Amazon fire, Apple TV and all the other countless tv boxes, they need a killer UI, navigation & apps which feel like they're made for tv, not for a enlarged portable device.
Nothing can save a brand that's already dead.
you again and yet other troll comment from ps vita hater
Hahaha! Poor xazingop, you don't have argument, and only know to say "vita hater", "troll" to everyone. Sony already said there won't be much first party games for Vita, and that they're seeing Vita as a companion device to PS4. Think by third party side: "if Sony, which is the manufacturer of Vita, is saying they'll not be making many games for it, why should I have to?" Vita have a GREAT potential, but this potential is being wasted by ony using Vita as a mere controller for PS4. You can say I'm a hater, but I'm just a Vita owner which Sony have cheated by selling a "companion device" as a "portable game console". Again, you can say I'm a hater, but I speak the truth that no one see. Or DO NOT WANT TO SEE. Vita is dead my frind, accept it. I own a Vita, I love it. "The worst blinded is that who doesn't want to see".
funny when the luis_spartano did not know what the console is dead and so easy to troll on internet and say 'I own a ps vita' but reality you don't own ps vita
How can PlayStation TV save the "Vita brand" when it was rebranded in West to not include the Vita brand in the first place? Anyway, I don't think the PlayStation TV will make a real impact. Not only is the PlayStation TV something of a diminished Vita (several games are either not compatible or lose something in the transfer), but several Vita games lose their appeal by being on a stationary console. Since a a fairly large number of titles are little more than ports, which is a concept I am sure people are so well aware of it's like beating a dead horse at this point, the main perk to them being on the vita (portability) is instantly nullified and they either become on par with their console counterpart or are lesser versions of games you can buy on another console. To make matters worse, Sony has basically shown decreased interest in supporting the console*, which has resulted in an iffy future beyond Freedom Wars and I could certainly understand people reading Tearaway (a game according to the HK PSN doesn't work with the PS Vita TV anyway) on the PS4 as a sign of things to come. In the end, I think the PlayStation TV will mainly be viewed as a fancy device with Netflix that people use to stream their PS4 on or down the road as a way to play their classics via PS Now (assuming prices get better over time). * I don't blame them for chasing / trying to maintain PS4 sales. This makes sense perfect sense in terms of business, their current situation and I don't blame them for it.
It's actually quite simple, really. The PS TV is bargain priced at $100. Move a few million of those out the door and suddenly developers are taking more notice, making more games for the device and guess what? All those come to the Vita as well, boosting the library. When it comes to branding it just makes sense to keep your mobile brand and your home console brands separate, don't you think? I'm actually quite surprised they went with the VitaTV brand in Japan to start with. In my opinion, despite the fact that both are based on the same hardware, that was just a recipe for consumer confusion and they were right to change it for it's release in the west. And I think you're dead wrong about the PSTV's appeal. For $100 these things are a steal. For taking on vacation to occupy the kids, for a cheap console in the kid's room, for leaving out at the cabin, or simply as a PS4 extender, for $100 there's going to be a helluva lot of these under Christmas trees this holiday. There's already a library of over 200 games Vita games with many more coming, plus PS2, PSP and PSOne titles, and Netflix, and PS Now. If you can't find anything to play on here, you simply aren't a gamer, in my opinion. These things are going to sell like hotcakes. Day one purchase for my family and I know a couple of other families who're picking these up as well to go into their campers for rainy days. As that install base grows, you can bet developers will follow. The shortsighted nature of a lot of the comments regarding the PSTV never ceases to amaze me. Although, I guess it shouldn't really surprise me all that much as your average user of this type of site simply isn't the market for this product. Aside from those who are looking at the PSTV as a PS4 extender. The PSTV is aimed squarely at the low-cost gamers who made the Wii popular.
I couldn't have said it better ... no really i couldn't :D
DarkRide, as usual your comment completely reflects my mentality. There are so many games to choose from for the Vita, that are playable on the very affordable PSTV, it's not even funny. I can't wait to pick one up just so I can play games like P4 Golden, Muramasa Rebirth, and Dragon's Crown on my 32" TV. For 100 dollars? Cripes, I might buy 2 of them. :)
I would argue that more Vita games gain appeal by moving to the big stationary screen, than lose it due to not being on mobile. Many of the Vita's games are more along the lines of console games, and not as suited for a mobile device.
I'm getting it for the remote play. I have no desire to play Vita games on the TV. Except Disgaea 4
I own a Vita, I Love my vita but I don't think this thing could save it. People aren't going to be buying this for the massive amount of Vita exclusives available :P like me everyone will buy this to play their Ps4's in another room without having to move it/buy another one. P.S.. I love you Vita you deserved better. I've been wearing black since Sony's Gamescon :(
Here's some room for thought. Like you said, you might buy the PlayStation TV to play the PS4 in another room because of remote play. You probably experienced remote play on the Vita already and it's quite alright in terms of the experience. Now how about people who never owned a Vita and brought PlayStation TV. Sure they can use it for remote play but they now have purchases a device that can play Vita games. This might perk their interest to try some Vita games out and they would be cheaper than its other home console counterparts. If developers keep making Vita games, eventually there might be one that catches the attention of consumers. I'm not saying the Vita will ever surpass the 3DS in sales but PlayStation TV might help boost Vita software sales and if people want to spend a ton of cash just for portability then so be it, they might go and get themselves a PS Vita (doubtful though).
Well that's the problem I'm seeing with people's perception of Vita. They think it needs to beat or get near what the 3ds sells like. Which it doesn't. It can be successful in its niche just like the PSP was. It didn't have to compete directly with the DS just like the Wii didnt have to with the other two platforms last gen. The Vita has a chance in Japan and I think it will. But outside of that indont mind the portable Indies coming out right now. Btw Hohokum is a breathe of fresh air, for real.
What you are leaving out is the potential that devs might see when you get these things out of the door. Now, you have Vita and Playstation TV in the houses of potential customers. That, in and of itself, could make the platform more popular to develop on. The PSP was in similar, but not near as bad, shape as well early in its life. Sony dropped the price, did a sort of relaunch campaign and it went on to sell over 70 million. I am a Vita owner too. This is the only hope that we have of getting some more support on the Vita. So, I am just hoping that what I said is what they have planned.
Here's how to save the vita brand. Scrap this version of the Vita. Build a backwards compatible vita, and you know, actually build studios that can make AAA games for the handheld and commission big AAA studios to make blockbuster exclusives to the console like they were doing with the PSP. Whoever is in charge of the Vita should be fired on the spot. What's the hook going to be for playstation T.V? Here for 100 bucks you can play unoptimized Vita games, which has a sparse libary as it is, and you can play your PS4 in any room! That's going to get people to shell out cash for it? I love my Vita and I hate to talk bad about it but something needs to change.
Personally, I think the Vita does have a good library of games. Yes Sony needs to give the Vita more AAA exclusive games. Personally I don't view any of the Vita's games as a must buy system seller but it does have some good games regardless. Vita is always going to remain a niche console, some may say to a market that likes Indies and JRPGs. They wouldn't be entirely wrong. I love the Vita and I hate to see how Sony isn't showing any attention to the console but I see PlayStation TV as a device that may help extend support for the development of Vita games. It may not save the PS Vita console itself but it might be able to garner support from developers to continue making Vita games. Quite a lot are being made in Japan and not all of them are JRPGs. Sony why not bring them over? Some Japanese made Vita games are being localised for the West but more can be done. As for the remote play feature, it's just a matter of convenience in some households. It isn't going to apply for everyone.
Vita has a lot of games. Unfortunately they aren't very diverse. There's a lot of Japanese titles, which is great if you're into that, but if you're more into Western games then it does come up lacking. The console does have quite a few AAA quality games on it, some ports, some original. Unfortunately, they aren't really the kinds of games that move systems. Sony was actually better about this in their first year, and now the western releases are few and far between, or ports that fail to really do much for the system. Sony, to gain more support momentum, needs to put some of their 1st party focus back onto the machine. It would be good if they could commission some big 3rd party support like they did with MGS, but for the time being, it needs to show that it's going to support it's own console before I believe other publishers will get on board. The funny thing is is that Vita owners do buy software. It has a rather high adoption rate for a gaming system. Believe it was over 6 titles per unit sold, which is pretty good for it's first two years(sorry can't find the link, believe it was the PS blog or in the forums where the community manager stated that).
Playstation Tv is a playstation Vita it has the same freaking chipset, has the playstation vita game card port as well as the blank media card port. It plays playstation vita games by default, it is a playstation vita. Yes with no camera or rear touch screen that will make it so some games will not work but over 95% will due to the fact it also supports the ds4! The point is it is the cheapest living room entry priced launch of a playstation that is for the living room or bed room. The fact its being the priority platform even ahead of the PS4 in China is one of the reasons its going to have a expanded market. Scraping it would not only be foolish, but a large waste of investment.
No it won't. The Playstation TV is one of the dumbest ideas ever conceived by Sony. There's no compelling reason this device should exist when Sony could just as easily release an app for PS3 and PS4 that would allow you to play Vita games on those devices.
PS3 and PS4 both cost more than the PSTV. The point of the PSTV is to be able to use it as a low cost streaming device, a remote play access device, a gateway to PSNow, or as a Vita device on the big screen(which arguably should have been included in the original Vita or it's redesigned version). I honestly think the PSTV is one of the better devices that Sony has conceived of, mostly because it appeals to a broad range of consumers, and can bring in a lot of cross purchases between those markets. It's also pretty cheap, so it can serve a lot of purpose without being a strain on the wallet. It's a market that other companies have been trying to get in to or making something more out of(Amazon, Apple, etc), and this is Sony's most recent version of it(they had another PSTV type device during the PS2 and PS3 days). This one has an advantage over the ones from other companies as it also gives access to PS1-4/PSP/Vita content. It's also what will most likely be the source of their PSNow integrated TV's, which pushes them beyond what is mostly offered by competitors, particularly if it has Vita/PSP/PS1 game support.
If anything I would say it won't do the vita any favours at all.the vita is partly known as a remote play device to any one with a second TV will they buy a £189 vita or £89 ptv. Quite depressing really seeing the vita as more of a gimmick than a game system
What the vita needs is Monster Hunter so it call sell some systems. I love that my vita is a JRPG machine but I also want to play some other genres like third person shooters, sports and sci-fi action rpgs. I've also pre ordered the Playstation TV so I can play the compatible titles on a big screen tv. I do agree that Sony should've bundled the DS4 controller with the playstation tv as it makes sense with the touchpad which could increase compatibility with more titles. Either way, we'll find out this holiday season if it's enough to save the vita brand.
A lot of people have more than one kid in a house they might want to play games on it when the ps4 is in use,at the price you can sell it anywhere 7 Eleven.By the way try buying a vita the only place is game stop online.
Why would I buy more hardware when they just ditched Vita?
You wouldn't buy one anyway.
Not sure how I can answer that for you, since I'm not you -- nor is anyone else who just read that you. (and the question seems rhetorical anyway..) But, long story short, homebrews and hacks. That's always been my plan. :P
If Sony meant for this to save the vita brand they would have announced multiple games for it. As for now it seems like an extender for the ps4.
They announced two pretty big games for it. Minecraft and Disney Infinity. And they stress that it's not the pocket version, but rather the full console experience of both games. Why buy a $200-400 console for your kid just so they can do nothing but play Minecraft all day? Here's the solution. Oh, and it does Netflix, YouTube, Music, Movies, and streams PS Now. For $99, this little box has a lot of potential.
Stop thinking it of saving the psvita, because thats not what its designed to do! Thats a benefit of this action, but that is not the reason for its design. Do people not freaking see what is happening? The smart tv and box system like the Roku, Amazon fire HD, google Tv and Apple tv, have software distribution and streaming box systems for living room that again play games. It may not seem like such a problem , but the fact Sony is in fact making a Micro Game console shows they are not taking that attempt of market disruption lightly! Right now it may seem like Sony is spending good money after bad on a "failed product" but you are just looking at this market very narrow minded as just only by the game market of the past, not of the way the game market is now!
How to save the Vita: 1) Advertisements, Sony you haven't don't shít. Use that PS4 money for some commercials. 2) Release another Uncharted with Multiplayer. 3) Minecraft Vita Bundle with TV commercials that are specifically for it. 4) Drop the memory card prices by 60%, you may loose some money, but I'm sure that's not as bad as having no units moved at all. 5) Fund GTA Vita, when I mean 'fund', I mean make it worth it. We don't want some glitchy ass broken game. 6) Release new installments of smaller first party like Ratchet and Clank, or Jack and Daxter exclusively for Vita.
Sony is too stubborn about any problems you list about the Vita. We've been complaining about memory card pricing since before launch, but still to this day they refuse to do anything about it, and now look at where things went with this system. They're so oblivious to consumer feedback it's really sad and insulting.
The memory cards are a HUGE negative for the vita. If you want one with 32 or 64 gigs it costs a fortune. When you add those to the price of a new Vita and a game or two it's more than a PS4. Whoever managed the design and marketing of the Vita should be fired. That being said, I love mine and I just ordered a $100 64 gig card from Japan, but I am definitely in the minority on that one.
Anything "might" save the Vita brand, but nothing so far worked. I doubt this will, I mean, look at the whole PS4 remote play thing, that didn't do it. This system has next to no hope. The amount of potential it once had is just gone and most gamers have passed on buying one of these. It also doesn't help when Sony is no longer giving it any priority other than cramming in shoddy collections of games that "work" at best and ran much better on the PS2, and leaving the rest entirely up to third party, mostly consisting of cheap mobile-quality indies. The Vita is virtually dead at this point, at least everywhere outside of just one country.
Sony hasn't tried to save the Vita yet. They haven't had a price drop. They haven't done a new campaign. They haven't dropped the price of memory cards. These, or some combination of these, is what it took for the PSP to really start flying off of the shelves. When they try one of these I'll be willing to say that "nothing worked". They were prepared for a battle with PS4. They focused on getting everything right. That means that the Vita had to suffer...and that sucks. But, I still think that they could move some units with a couple of small tweaks in their strategy. Probably after the fiscal year, we will see some movement in the Vita department. If not...THEN I will mourn with the rest of the people who have pronounced the Vita dead.
I don't think anything can save the Vita. Its never going to get support from big Sony studios and much less from third party heavyweights like Rockstar, Ubisoft, and Evil Arts like the PSP did. I love my Vita but I tried defending as long as I could. To even say anything truthful or bad about it will get you downvotes like no other. People are too defensive about it. Its too late now and I'm okay with it dying if it means more PS4 games, especially from Sony Bend who have been making portable games since they killed Syphon Filter. I won't sell it because I still play it from time to time and the browser is useful.
Have a full list of Vita games compatible with Playstation TV has been released?
No. Not for the west anyways. Theoretically, the western version of a VITA TV compatible game would work, though. http://search.jp.playstatio... And on the front page of the US PSTV splash page it says it can play minecraft. So, there's that. :P
When the PS TV is released, Sony needs to push it. And they need to push it among the non-gamer audience. That was the brilliance of the Wii. When Christmas comes around and every damn morning talk show has their list of "must have" Christmas gifts, Sony needs to get thing on those lists. Push it on the moms whom those shows are tailored to. "It's great for the kids playroom." "Your husband can keep playing his PS4 in another room while you get to watch what you want." For $99 it can be an impulse buy.
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