Game Idealist takes a look as to why Witcher 3 fans are angry at CD PROJEKT RED that the Xbox One is getting exclusive content in the Collector's Edition.
Why be angry? It's same price with the extra content on X1 as it is on the others without the content, this is a good deal, jump on it and enjoy.
So jump onto a good deal even though it's not your platform of choice....yeah that's a good way to spend your money.
He might own both consoles so in his particular case it wouldn't be too costly at all. But for everyone else who only has a PS4 it presents quite a frustrating situation.
@randomass171 With it being a new gen and all I highly doubt everyone will have both systems at the moment...he might but all of us do. It's not like collectors would buy the Xbox One version if they had a PS4/PC and can't play the game because the don't have the console.
So now they are demanding packaging parity? Im losing interest in next gen.
It's just physical stuff, I'd be more upset if it was in game stuff, like the extra hour of content in Watch Dogs or Assassin's Creed These "upset people" sound more like crybabies
@randomass171 People are assuming that just because the xbox one is getting extra content that it's the ps4 fans complaining. It's not. It's the pc fans that are head hunting right now and they should. The PC community has been the main supporters of the witcher series over the years. Yeah it also made it to the xbox one but the pc community has been the main supporters behind CD Projekt Red and this is a slap in the face. This isn't a new IP here. this isn't a new game that they just decided to make for al lthe systems. This is a franchise that has been one of the biggest selling pc franchises ever. It doesn't even appear to be timed dlc which makes it all the worse. The witcher is practically synonymous with pc and you can't help but feel it a little for the pc community.
Leave to Microsoft to piss off every single camp they can with their business models. First with tomb raider, and now this. Please don't get me wrong here. I don't find fault with paying a Dev money to develop extra contents for a multiplatform game. The game was going to release as is, and you decides that your group of gamers sgould get more, fine, pqy the dev to make extra contents for your your platform specifically. But I think it is a sh!tty business model to pay a Dev money to keep already existing/planned contents off other platforms. That's literally messing with other gamers who don't want sh!t to with you. And I don't like it when either Sony or Microsoft does it. You can tell that other gamers don't like it too, because at the conferences, nobody really claps when they here " exclusive 2 hour mission for **** platform ".
I can see how the fanbase on PC that has supported the series for a while now might be upset.
Not anyone problem but your own. You chose to buy one console.
You have no basis to be angry at anyone but yourself since you don't have/won't buy an X1. Microsoft paid to manufacture some extra trinkets to throw in their version on the collectors edition, and give them to X1 users free of charge. Sony can do the same thing if they want to. You guys always seem to complain about Microsoft throwing money around, but being an owner of PS4/X1/PC all I see is positive gains. Sucks to be a one trick pony, I suggest having 3 and get the best of everything. If those little toys mean so much to you go ahead and buy the X1 collectors edition and the regular version of your other platform. "I'm so sad because Microsoft has money and continue to use it to the advantage of its users" - Pathetic point of view
So the Witcher 3 Collector's Edition for PS4 that I bought on Amazon isn't real? Amazon, you got some 'splaining to do! (source: http://www.amazon.com/Witch... ) Cloth Map and Gwent Packs are all you get extra. Would like the cloth map, but oh well.
Shouldn't the game itself be the thing that matters the most.
This is a ridiculous bunch of cry babies on one particular platform, PS4. Let's face it, other platforms gets plenty of exclusive content digitally and there isn't the same amount of outrage and Xbox One owners PAY THE SAME TOO! When the boat is turned, and it is not in their favor, suddenly they start whining and crying like babies! You know what my solution to all of this has been, boycott it!
I don't get why anyone cares, collector's editions are giant wastes of money that take up shelf space and guarantee scaring off any girl that will walk into your room... so if you're one of those guys who is still buying collector's editions, we all know you're probably still a virgin.. lol
@haki1112, "Not anyone problem but your own. You chose to buy one console." That's awfully short sighted. As this tend matures, it becomes ALL of our's problem. I mean, this ties into what pre-order bonuses have started... http://www.somethingawful.c... The chart in that link is exactly what that means. I'm sorry you don't see, or have, a problem with this.
"It's same price with the extra content on X1 as it is on the others without the content," Its not Xbox One fans that are mad they're getting more stuff, it's fans on other consoles that are mad they're losing stuff and paying the same price. Even if the items are deemed "worthless" in your eyes, I don't think it's hard to grasp why some people would be disappointed they either have to buy a specific version of the game or miss out. I also guess some people are mad a Witcher 3 dev said ( http://www.eurogamer.net/ar... ) there would be no exclusive content for any platform and feel this goes against what was said before. In the end, I assume this is a vocal minority regardless and most people don't care, but I still bad for any fans that have to lose out on collectibles because of this choice. I much rather see everyone get the same thing, than every console get something unique / special, since that can be rough on collectors.
i see this as what gamestop does to interest consumer into buying a game from them instead of Target, Best buy or Walmart. its nothing to effect the game, its just a perk to where you get it from. I dont have time to run all over and see which retailer is giving away what. i will buy a game from wherever i choose and it may not have the same extra trinkets but its going to be the same game. And that comment about "exclusive content" is nothing about the "contents" of the box. Its about the content in the game.
@admiralvic Good point but since it is a vocal minority no one will give a shit unfortunately. They'll just see it as moaning because it doesn't effect them. As I've said most people think collectors editions are a waste of time and money anyway so they won't see it from our point of view.
@ Darthv72 "i see this as what gamestop does to interest consumer into buying a game from them instead of Target, Best buy or Walmart. " And there are a lot of people who disagree with this practice and don't approve of it. "its nothing to effect the game, its just a perk to where you get it from. I dont have time to run all over and see which retailer is giving away what. i will buy a game from wherever i choose and it may not have the same extra trinkets but its going to be the same game." This is like saying its "cool" a Japanese game lacks the Japanese voice option, simply because you like English. Its super awesome it doesn't affect you, but just because you're not affected doesn't mean it's not a valid complaint. Especially since there are people out there that love games so much that they import special editions from other regions and misc other collectibles. "And that comment about "exclusive content" is nothing about the "contents" of the box. Its about the content in the game." Not that I am saying I agree with the point (I actually just pulled it from this article), but they DID lay it on thick and they DID NOT explicitly state content in game. "We'll not deliver exclusive content to any of the platforms, nor will we artificially delay release of the game on any of the platforms because somebody's paying us money for that. It's definitely against our values. We are not doing that." I mean, it's against their values to make exclusive DLC, but not against their values to make exclusive content that fans / collectors miss out on? You do have to admit it sounds a tad hypocritical. @ -Foxtrot This is one thing I hate about game communities. There are a lot of stances, but they're typically met with people who go "this doesn't affect me, nor does it affect anything I care about, so your complaint is stupid and invalid" like Darth is doing. While I'm not totally and completely above it myself, I try to see both sides of the story and will outright tell you, Darth and anyone else that reads this that I have no stake in this matter. I've never played The Witcher, nor do I care to play it in the foreseeable future, much less buy a fancy collectors edition, but I still understand where some people are coming from and don't agree with unique physical extras being platform exclusive.
vic...you are confusing things. your example of the voice options relates to the content of the game. not its packaging. the packaging of a game has no bearing on the contents within the game itself. that would like saying because the game came in a jewel case instead of a dvd case...now the game is totally different. Packaging parity is what they are arguing over. So now because of this...Activision and bungie better make damn sure that the destiny bundle for the PS4 has the same goodies in the box as the bundle for the xb1. And the same goes for the XB1 bundle of COD should be packaged the same for a PS4 version. there can no longer be any sort of differentiating between platforms when it comes to their packaging. right down to the little bits of paperwork otherwise we will have a major uproar over the lack of a registration card in one copy of the game.
@ Darthv72 "vic...you are confusing things. your example of the voice options relates to the content of the game. not its packaging. " Serious question, what difference does it make? I mean, you started your last post by saying "I see this as what GameStop does to interest consumers into buying a game from them" and I apparently have news for you, thats TYPICALLY just DLC. Yeah, sometimes they do a poster or special item, but more often than not it's something like the OoT costumes (Hyrule Musou), Mythical Creatures Pack (LittleBigPlanet), Exterminator Weapon Skin Pack (Evolve), Driller Machine Gun (Far Cry 4), Razor Head Spear (Assassin's Creed Unity), McLaren 12C Pack (DriveClub), among others. Anyway, my point was just that it was something you clearly don't care about and brought up an example. Most people don't care if a game lacks Japanese voice acting (just like some people don't care if it lacks English), but just because you don't see the importance doesn't mean it's not important to someone or these complaints are silly / invalid.
No offense man but you seriously sound like you are entitled to what the xb1 box comes with even if you dont want the xb1 version. Im sorry but...not everything has to be equal. there is no rule that says everything must be the same. Its a game, not an individuals civil rights being violated. If this situation gets you twisted, will you be equally vocal if the next big multiplatform release come out with some extra odds and ends for one version instead of for all? If you want equality then you best stand up to all manner of differentiating circumstances. Those mario kart toys MC Donalds was offering should been at burger king as well...just saying.
@ Darthv72 "No offense man but you seriously sound like you are entitled to what the xb1 box comes with even if you dont want the xb1 version. " And you seriously sound complacent, but I'll make this easier for both of us. Instead of droning on about semantics and turning this into a heavily distorted issue, how about you simply explain how this is good for everyone or why it shouldn't be changed. "Im sorry but...not everything has to be equal. there is no rule that says everything must be the same. Its a game" This is correct, but it also doesn't make the complaint invalid. "If this situation gets you twisted, will you be equally vocal if the next big multiplatform release come out with some extra odds and ends for one version instead of for all? " Considering I've already said I have no interest in The Witcher 3, aren't I doing that now? "If you want equality then you best stand up to all manner of differentiating circumstances. Those mario kart toys MC Donalds was offering should been at burger king as well...just saying." And NOW we hit the strawman argument BS that I get sick of hearing.
you are not loosing anything. xone just gets more. i dont see articles complaining about destiny giving content to ps4 and not xone. wow!!! are you people serious. all i hear is thats why destiny is better on ps4. lol now its an abomination. playa hating arse fanboys. lmfao ps4 destiny exclusive content blah blah blah. you must have forgot?
@FanboyKilla There's a difference. The "Exclusive Content" is timed. Others can buy it later. There is no limited collector's edition coming out for the other platforms later. That's not an option. Can't wait it out.
They aren't losing anything. Microsoft just paid for them to make something else for their collectors edition. If Microsoft didn't pay for them to make it, then it wouldn't exist FOR ANYONE. It's not like it's a freakin statue or something. People need to get over themselves. If this were done for the ps4, there wouldn't be some huge outcry, even from the pc fans. This $h!t is getting sickening.
I'm not angry but they lied. And they ate my favorite developers. I remember praising them when they said that they wanted the experience to be the same for everyone.
"I remember praising them when they said that they wanted the experience to be the same for everyone." Here's the problem, it 'is' the same for everyone. The GAME is the same. CDPR makes GAMES, not CE junk that very few are even interested in. I guess you just can't win in this business. CDPR makes a rare stand in the industry to avoid pre-order exclusive BS and opts to deliver a full and complete GAME across all platforms, They are also totally against DRM and offer great post launch support, but because a FEW people didn't get a cloth map and some cards, its like "F*** those liars!!!" There's something to be said for picking your battles. Start cancelling those pre-orders I guess.
Like I said, I'm not angry and it doesn't affect me one bit. But, they did lie kinda. Thats all.
Most of it isn't strictly because of this incident.. Its a snowball effect Some genuine concerns will get lumped in with the entitled crybabies that plague the internet.. Many just seem to think they are entitled to everything but at the same time, brag about getting stuff you can't have.. And there are some here, not pointing fingers.. But the experience is the same.. Its some extras thrown in.. Tons of products, retailers etc do this.. One country gets better preorder bonuses then another, this chain gives out a hat or shirt.. I feel most don't even care about the items, just pissed that others are getting something they aren't..
@joab777 Except they didn't "kinda lie" they were referring to the 'game'. As in the ONLY thing that truly matters.
"And they ate my favorite developers." I can understand your frustration. ;)
Even if I wanted to buy the Xbox One version (since I own both), I can't because the Collector's Edition has been sold out for a long time. It's a shitty move to make this change after all the collector's editions are already spoken for.
Literally anything that happens to Xbox or Microsoft gets bashed. People keep telling them to improve and get better and everytime they do, everyone (A SPECIFIC GROUP OF PEOPLE) turn on them and makes them look like crap.
Meh it's not that serious I still plan on buying the PS4 version, and I can still enjoy it from beginning to end. Not having the extra content is not going to ruin my experience playing the game. But I would like to say it does seem that the devs did go back on their words about not doing exclusive content for any system.
I get 2 disagrees why because 1 I don't care about the extra content Or 2 I still plan on buying the game on PS4 and still enjoy it Which is it lol?
Read the article. It pretty clear why people are upset.
It's a collectors edition of a game, people buy them for the extra content specifically, of course the people that buy these things are going to be upset at getting less things for the same price. If you don't have an Xbox One, Which is a majority at least by 5 million you get the shaft. Stupid move CD project. Another desperate move by Microsoft.
Just give me the game I dont need a bunch of extra crap
The funny thing is..most people do not buy collectors editions. I think its just people whining just to whine.
Most people do not buy collectors editions. True, otherwise they wouldn't really be collector's editions. But, since they are obviously selling these collector's editions to the people that actually do buy collector's editions, some of the people that would buy collector's editions are upset that they are getting less content for the same price, since they specifically buy these collector's editions for that exclusive collector's editions content in the first place. That's what collector's do...it's what makes them collectors. Basically it devalues the collector's editions that aren't on the X1, as they have less content. I doubt that will actually be the case of course, as a cloth map and a card deck isn't going to be worth nearly as much as that statue in a years time, and the X1 just isn't as popular as the other platforms involved, but still, it's a bad trend in a market that is already starting to have bad trends happen to it, thus causing even less value in collector's editions despite prices continuously going up for them.
what makes me angry is if i want to buy the collectors edition which i was planning on i have to choose between ps4 and x1. and now considering i am a collector which i am not ^^ i would go with the complete version which is the x1 edition but i don't like to play this game on my x1.. so i have to go with the not so complete ps4 version. it kind of grinds my gears ms is doing this to me.
Its physical content which if there is one smart person in this comment section they would order the xbox one version keep the "physical content" and sell the game. Its like then you got your "physical" collector edition content on ps4 or PC. Truly funny how people are oblivious to the simplest answer sometimes.
Sure, if they want to take a hit on the price. No one's going to buy a second hand game at full price, even if it's still shinkwrapped.
Because it's only on Xbox One, a system many gamers don't even want.
Why be angry? I have the first two games on PC, and will be buying the third on PC as well. Its not a huge difference in physical content, but its still a thumb in the eye to have to pay the same price as a package with some additional extras. Being an old fan of Ultima, a cloth map instead of paper would be pretty sweet, but not enough to double up on an inferior console version that I would never play. Microsoft is out to burn the village just to keep warm.
Oh axios I missed your bs.
@Axios2 "It's same price with the extra content on X1 as it is on the others without the content, this is a good deal, jump on it and enjoy." It's because most people want the content but don't want an xbox one.
I still don't get the people who cry over this. It's same situation everywhere else, just digital content: Destiny - ps4 extra content, same price The Division - XO extra content, same price I could list probably hundreds of same deals. Just get over it. It's not like someone forces you to buy it.
i honestly don't see what the big deal is, either.
@AllTheComplainersHere It's funny how Sony got exclusive content for Watch Dogs and Destiny, but there was far less complaining going on about that. Grow up and deal with it, who really cares about a little bit of extra content
There mad because there a bunch of Yoshida's hoes and he ain't feeding them right. You want what Xbox has to offer buy 1 and quit bitchin
This is just getting ridiculous. It's just some cards and a cloth map, it won't affect your game. https://www.youtube.com/wat...
I don't get either, but a friend of mine does. She is an hardcore fan of the universe. She has it all, even the books. Her main platform is the PC. The moment she read about the exclusive goodies for the Xbone, she went ballistic. Right now she's sharing a piece of her mind about this situation all over the Internet, specially the polish developers. She isn't usually like that.
She should get help because its just a stupid game.
....she can just buy those goodies somewhere else. Every game that has a collectors edition has their stuff end up on ebay, craigslist for super cheap a month or two after the game is released
[email protected] I believe that will end up doing that exactly, but still I'm under impression that CD-projet broke her heart. ^^
No, it's not hard to understand why they are angry, I would be too. They are paying the same price for less content.
Yup.. And that's understandable.. But some enjoyed their exclusive content and didn't feel it was bad, but now want to object to the practice when its them missing out. I'm going to pay the same for destiny but get less content then another group.. Did the same with watch dogs.. If you aren't one of those people.. Then I feel your pain.. It sucks to pay More for less.. But if you enjoy when the shoe is on the other foot? Then I hope it bugs the crap out of you now lol..
Buy it for $47.99 on pc like I did. Wait, you didn't play the first two? Ok, get it for $53.99 then. If everyone is getting this upset over something so mundane, perhaps MS was right to strike this deal ...
You have to remember that collector's editions sell primarily to collector's. For the most part, the extra stuff is what they're paying a premium for. If they just cared about the game, they'd spend $50/60 and call it a day. But that's not what the collector's mentality is about. It's about having memorabilia based on the game. Having something unique that only other people who paid the same premium would have. Same goes with many other collection hobbies like stamps or coins. They pay a premium for their stuff, because it's worth something to them, and it's often unique to a only a few(a few can be thousands in this case of course). Of course, some people just buy collector's editions to resell them at a profit, but that's a different thing entirely. So, what it comes down to for the rather niche market that is willing to dish out a large sum of money for a collector's edition(for whatever reason), the different versions of the collector's edition have become fragmented, and those other editions are going to be devalued because of it. Only X1 owners are getting the exclusive content, and that's kinda crappy since they are paying the same price as the PS4/PC users getting less content. I'm a collector myself. I didn't have the Witcher 3 CE on pre-order, as nice as it was, because while it seems like a popular game, I've never played it. Since my plate is pretty full with pre-orders I decided to pass on it. But I do buy plenty of collector's editions, so I can see why people would be upset if all of a sudden, one edition decided to offer more for the same price. We see this a lot in collector's editions offered in different regions. Sometimes EU territories get awesome collector's editions of a niche or popular game, and the US gets some crappy art-book and special packaging, or vice versa. In those cases it's because of the publisher of the game in that territory, but it's quite annoying, because we want that extra stuff...it's what we're buying CE for. In this case, it's the same publisher giving special treatment to the X1, and if I had to guess it may be because of a payout because as I understand it, the X1 version was sold out along with the rest.
Let me simplify MOST of the "Exclusivity" complaints: Whining because it's not on PS4. PC gamers are used to buying digitally, so I don't see them complaining as much. And people aren't suddenly getting LESS for their money- They just aren't getting MORE for the money. They USED to be just fine with the price they were going to pay for the collector's edition, but yet now suddenly they are mad? (I personally like both consoles, and PC) But honestly the biggest reason why this is suddenly a big issue, AS WELL as the crying over Rise of the Tomb Raider, is because PS4 owners are babies. PS4 owners/potential owners would be saying the exact same things Xbox owners/ potential owners are saying if it was going to benefit THEIR console. And, they would be saying: "It's just the way it is" OR "Just accept it" or they may even go further and say "Xbowkzz suxxx" So, how do we excuse the fact that Watchdogs, Destiny, and Batman: Arkham Knight, etc... have exclusive content AND Collector's Editions on one hand, but then cry about The Witcher's Exclusive Collector's Edition when it's on Xbox? Because people are entitled cry babies. The PS4 selling more units this early on doesn't mean there isn't still money to be made off of 15 million gamers/New gen console owners COMBINED. Think about it from a Studio's perspective. They spend all this time and money and effort making a game for two platforms... do they want to have the Xbox One version sell like crap? Even though it is likely that they may have had to optimize or tweak around with code for the Xbox one version the MOST to get it up to par with what they are trying to envision with their game? They WANT BOTH CONSOLES to sell a lot of copies of their game, and this is a way to do it WITHOUT affecting the game, or gameplay by offering a more fully-loaded Collector's Edition. Most of the people complaining aren't even going to BUY the collector's edition for Pete's sake. Most of the people complaining also aren't thinking about it from the developer's perspective. If they can sell to a bigger audience on TWO console platforms, and get a bunch of cash from Microsoft for sweetening the deal a little bit, then it's a No-Brainer for CD Projeckt Red. This is ONLY "a big deal" because Entitled brats are jealous. And Hypocritical. And ridiculous. And Whiny. Especially when even MORE exclusive IN GAME content and exclusive DLC for several games is going to the PS4. The people crying about it need to remember a simple fact: You win some, and ya lose some. Just because they bought a console that had sold more units so far, doesn't mean the world suddenly stops spinning for everybody ELSE, or that Jesus is about to allow PS4 owners into heaven....."exclusively&a mp;q uot;. And it certainly doesn't mean that 3rd-party exclusivity is justified when it's for PS4, but yet, it's suddenly "Not okay" when it's exclusive to/for Xbox. I personally don't really like exclusive game content or DLC, but I'm at least beyond whining about it online like a spoiled brat. Especially when no amount of crying is going to change anything, and it only makes me look like a loser. You guys bought a console. That's it. It's not a portal to the 6th dimension, it's not a sanctified blessing from god, and it DOESN'T make you better than anybody else. I'm not calling anyone fanboys, I'm simply pointing out behavior. It's a PS4. That's it, it's not salvation in a box.
...... that bit about Jesus is my new Sig lol
Haha Software_Lover Yeah.. I typed: Just because they bought a console that had sold more units so far, doesn't mean the world suddenly stops spinning for everybody ELSE, or that Jesus is about to allow PS4 owners into heaven..... "exclusively" And good ol' PSN4G added a bunch of letters and symbols instead haha But I'm glad you liked it lol
People need to understand , that content wasn't gonna be there until Microsoft funded the physical content. In other words they just helped develop something for their fanbase.
I think this is something people won't ever understand. It's not like CDPR is the devil here, and Sony could've done the exact same thing with something similar. It's tough for the PS fans, because Sony doesn't have that same interest in Witcher 3.
You're probably right, but that has to be the worst thing in the world to spend money on for your fans. I mean, it's nice to give something back to your fans, but exclusive physical content in a limited run Collector's edition? It's already sold out....they have absolutely nothing to gain by it. I'm sure it wasn't a huge sum for them to provide, but it just seems like wasteful spending to me. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the gesture if this is indeed the case. It's nice that MS would do something nice like that, but it just seems so limited in it's application and marketing potential, and once again, has done nothing but piss off some of the fan base of the game.
I think it may of already been paid. Think about it for a sec. CDPR were on Microsoft's stage TWICE back to back, 2013 and 2014. I think this was their payment to Microsoft for that privilege of stage time. This is what the statement about having the game recognized worldwide would mean IMO. To be honest, I am not a fan of this decision but I know very well that it could of turned out a lot worse i.e. Exclusivity for 1 platform,DLC exclusivity and on and on.