JBH ponders what serial remastering as a result of the lack of backwards compatibility might do to the games industry.
I dont blv its easy as you might think , i mean for instance the ps3 cell infrastructure is very different of that of the ps4 , about the xbox they could have put it because they are not very different , maybe am wrong . And the last of us was 50$ only with all the dlc so i think the price is worth it. Sleeping dogs is actually better than watch dogs man ... it had a great story and good gameplay , its just wasnt big enough , but it a good game .
Xbox 360 was powerPC. XBone is X86. Not to mention the speed of the CPU in the Xbox 360 was in the 3ghz range compared to the XBone.
The feature is nice, but why buy a new system to play old games? You likely already own the old system, so its just a small convenience to have BC. It would be nice to have during the beginning of the generation here but more and more games are releasing so there are plenty of games to choose from now. I'm not going to complain about no BC, it isn't a necessary feature. Media functionality is however, bring it back M$/-$ony
@author They aren't porting the ps3 versions to ps4 (multiplats) they are porting the PC version to the ps4... but With playstation now is it really a Scam?? If you want to play old games keep your old system... I just don't understand these new age brats.. like damn my SNES didn't play NES games... I kept both and enjoyed both until the Playstation dropped in 94'... mofos find the smallest things to cry about... ohhh I want a seemless experience... oh really?? well I have 5 HD ports on my TV.. I have my PS3 and my ps4 hooked up along with my comcast cable... If I want to play the PS3 I turn it on.. wow... that was sooo difficult but on topic lol @DarkOcelet Yeah I agree SD was better than WD... actually I think SD had some of the best hand to hand combat in a gta style game last gen.... Also, I don't mind shelling out money for PS4 ports for titles that's worth it... SD and TLOU are games I valued in my favorites of last gen so I did/will pick it up... As for Tomb Raider I didn't pick it up last gen and didn't this gen... Got it on ps plus this year.. but I still have yet to play it... I have no idea why... but it's not in my valued list... so with that being said... we have a choice to buy a game or skip it... and that's what many of these idiots don't understand... because a game comes out remastered or new ip doesn't mean you have to buy it if you don't want it... lOl
I agree but backwards compatibility is a great way to bring in new costumers and make the transition easier. There is not a lot to play on ps4 atm. But there are plentyof ps3 games around. If the ps4 was bbackwards compatible I would have bought it. Now I just bought a used ps3 for cheap.
Understood but that's what PS now will be for... For those who missed out you can now use that service to play games you didnt get a chance to. If you equate PS now rent service to blockbuster you'd see value for the 90 day rental services (25$ and lower). Hopefully all games will be no more than 25$ for 90 days in the future. but if you compare to lets say gamefly then you won't I suppose? But there's supposed to be a sub. Model so maybe that would be more on track with gamefly prices?
Decent sega Saturn emulators require a pretty beefy PC to run well, and even then they're not perfect. The different archatecture is not a trivial obstacle.
Well for one, people keep complaining there are no games. Backwards compatibility would help with that. It can be done. If not included in the console, then on an emulation app. I would even be ok with them selling this app for $100 or so. The PS Now, the remastering, and the idea that it can't be done is ALL another way for these big companies to make more money off of us. I don't mind buying a remastered version of a game, but this lack of BC, and the excuses feel to me, like both companies just want our money and that's the REAL reason it hasn't been available. They keep restricting me like this, and I'm going to get a PC. I'm tired of playing by everyone else's rules. Shit, I bought a PS4 and it's like a privilege to get it to play music while gaming. PC has this how many years ago?
Would it? The WiiU has 100% BC with the wii including downloadable titles and people still complained there was nothing to play on it.
Take off the the tin foil hat, they aren't out to get you. Emulating dissimilar hardware typically takes about an order of magnitude more compute power than the device being emulated and is a non-trivial task. The problem is made more difficult by the shift in the way we design processors. In the past we mainly just made CPUs faster by shrinking the cpu and increasing the clock. Now we go with more, but slower cores so as to get the performance increase with out the usual increase in heat and power requirements.
It's not as simple as just making an emulator. There is a myriad of technical reasons why backwards compatibility isn't in the systems.
It is a scam. the god of war collections is the one that set this train going,. every since then every 3 months theres been a "remastered" version or "HD" collection of some game. its crazy. Why do you think theres no ps1,2,or 3 classics in the ps4 psn store huh? they plan on selling you the same game again and call it remastered to justify a 50 or 60 dollar price tag. Dont believe the hype.
"Why do you think theres no ps1,2,or 3 classics in the ps4 psn store huh?" Umm... because the PS4 doesnt have the hardware to emulate them? I do agree that there should at least be PS1 emulation since every playstation platform in existence can play PS1 games. It could just come later like it did for the PS Vita. If not then something is wrong.
In honestly looking forward to some of these remasters, many of them are games I didn't play last gen and getting to play them with better resolutions and frame rates is nice. At the same time I agree with the article in the sense that not having BC leads to cash grab releases trying to bank on people rebuying their fav games. I think my biggest problem with the lack of BC comes from Sony and all the digital PS1 & 2 not being backwards compatible. I'm getting really tired of buying stuff I own over and over again that's 15-20 years old just so it comes with me to the next console. The architecture excuse works for PS3 but not the digital content for the older systems and I feel like Now is just going to be a cash grab for my nostalgia that I still own and should be able to play.
There is a huge failure of logic here. Nearly every game that released this year was released across generations. So that includes Madden, Titanfall, Minecraft and Battlefield. Even the next COD and Destiny are cross generational. Don't they also count as remasters of the older gen counterparts? It didn't start with Tomb Raider, it started with Call of Duty Ghosts on multiple gens. You are making an exception for games that came out a year ago and calling them scams when nearly every game release is cross gen.
There's a difference between developing for two generations simultaneously and releasing them on the same day as each other, than there is to take a last gen game from a year ago, that's already reduced in price, and charge full retail for it, because of a graphics update. You apparently missed the point of the article. Cross gen games aren't the problem. Last gen games from a year ago being sold again for full price is the problem.
Wrong. What is the price of COD Advanced Warfare for Xbox 360? What is the price on Xbox One? Its the same thing. You can't look at a few late releases and saw they are completely separated from all cross gen. When you are trying to find differences in the things that are the same, you have to perform logical gymnastics. Just because Tomb Raider came out a year later, and COD will come out on the same day doesn't mean they are different. If one is a scam because of backwards compatibility, so is the other.
Reading comprehension clearly isn't your strong suit. It's not a scam because the games are being released on PS4. It is a scam because publishers are charging full price for games that came out one or two years ago that can be purchased for 20 bucks or less. If you can't even comprehend the differences in pricing for old and new games, and why this trend is a problem, then you probably deserve to get ripped off.
Better resolution, better textures, better character models, better character animations, better ai, better lighting, better shadows, better physics, better environments, more seamless play, gameplay fixes based on fan feedback, all the previously available dlc, extra free content, better online/social features, all the extra abilities of new consoles, etc... I wouldn't exactly say your reading comprehension is anything to brag about considering the total lack of logic in your comments.
I wouldn't call it a scam, when remastered games come out they normally have all the DLC ready on the disk so I personally think it's a great idea
from here on all systems must have Backwards Compatibility,as a rule.
If asking for PS3 BC says something, Expect to PAY more $$$ for your consoles, as a rule
lol at best, his bc ps4/xone will be $100 more. Remasters seem to be $40-$50 each. So you do the math? oh lets also factored in PSnow.
@nevin1 True but the reason remastered options and PS Now are options for PS4 BC is due to fact people don' t want to pay more up front for BC console (Remember PS3 Phat?) And because of difference of architectures, it cannot be done on software alone currently, so requires extra hardware. People love to whine and complain. Imagine how PS4 reveal would have been if they said $499-$599 PS4 instead of $399. It would be PS3 reveal all over again. Want PS3 BC? Keep or buy a PS3, that is what I did.
Because they can do a quick cash grab when all they have to d is put the slider a little more toward the higher option ( and by little I mean from very low to low )
Unfortunately, people are supporting and running the industry into the ground, because they simply can't see the bigger picture. This is setting a flow of poison in motion.
Because the architecture of these systems changed, backwards compatibility wasn't an option for technical reasons. Unless you want to pay extra to have, say a cell processor in the PS4. There was an article somewhere that explained the reasons both went with the AMD Jaguar. And they were good reasons. One of them was that PowerPC hasn't kept pace with other architectures. So if the Xbox One stuck with the PowerPC, it could have Wii-U like performance, but hey, at least it has backwards compatibility?
Exactly like I have been saying all along. + Bubbles for you...
Now everyone knows everything about a console y don't u guys create your own console
I brought a next gen console to play next gen games. If i wanted to play the older games i would have kept my xbox 360.
I see a lot of comments saying 'But emulating isn't that easy', but I fear this is missing the point of the article. Microsoft and Sony decided to not include backwards compatibility (I'm not an awfully technical man but I take from the feedback that this would have been very difficult) which, if you guys are correct, is fair enough. What isn't fair enough is publishers like Square Enix then taking the opportunity to re-release all of their last-gen games at full price with a little bit of DLC on current-gen consoles and asking full price for them. The effort spent on these re-releases should be spent on making new games rather than halfheartedly 'remastering' old ones. If they want to re-release their old games, they should sell them for at least half the price. It's taking advantage of the fact that there are barely any games to play on the new consoles. They saw the lack of BC and thought 'Hey, we could squeeze more money out of these people'.
Long story short, you people are getting duped by buying remastered versions of games already out. You're gonna pay all that money to play a game you already played, but with somewhat better graphics? If you owned a Honda, would you buy the same model again at full price just because it included a better paint job?