When news broke the other day that Crytek’s Ryse: Son of Rome was coming to the PC, I thought about how Microsoft’s value proposition for its Xbox One is shrinking.
I mostly agree with the article. It's the same thing that happened last gen. I bought a PS3 and had a moderately ok PC. I didn't have a lot of interest in Halo or Gears so there was very very little I missed out on. Conversely, if I didn't buy a PS3 I'd be missing out on a lot. Admittedly, MS seem to be trying prevent this occurrence of their games eventually moving to the PC, but as we can see it's still happening and quite rapidly too. It's not even been a year into this generation and already Dead Rising 3 and Ryse are already announced to be moving to the PC. That's why if I ever come to buy another console to go along side my PS4 is will most certainly be a Wii U.
Microsoft has been devaluing the xbone since release @ launch the xbone was $500 next thing you know it was $450 with A free game then it was 400 (no kinect) soon it will be $400 with A free game (madden) all the game that were ever bundled with the xbone were new games @ $60 retail when you bundle these games the basic xbone sku's(without A game) lose there value by at lease $50-$60. Why buy A basic xbone @ this point for $400 when the madden bundle is 5 days away for the same price even if you don't like madden you can sell it and basically have A xbone for $345-$360 which is the same price the basic xbone retails for on eBay right now these bundles are good for customers but bad for microsoft. I commend them though.
And don't forget the devaluation of the Xbox 360. All of these games were once exclusive but came to PS3 or PC later on: Mass Effect 2 Ninja Gaiden 2 Bioshock Star Ocean IV Eternal Sonata Limbo Braid Oblivion Lost Planet Overlord Castle Crashers Alan Wake Peggle The Last Remnant Now add Ryse, Dead Rising 3 and PvZ Garden Warfare and you'll see just how fast history repeats itself, that's some next-gen level of devaluation. Edit: Before the Xbox Defense Force disagrees, please name 5 PS3 timed exclusive games. Actually, try to name even one... I can't remember any.
@Zod You can add Metro2033 to that list as well. Comes out on PS4 soon. Fez and Minecraft came to Playstation a year later too I believe, give or take. Mark of the Ninja, State of Decay and Trials Evolution wound up on PC later as well. It *is* hard to think of some the other way, but Guacamelee was one PS3 exclusive that made it to Xbox and Nintendo this year. Outlast just went console multiplatform too. The only retails that come to mind at the moment are former PSP exclusives like MetalGearSolid Peacewalker and AC Liberation which made it to 360 eventually.
PC gamers are constantly told on this site that we are a marginal group and a completely separate market from the consoles. So if that is true, why should this be a problem for the Xbox One? Why is it when Sony fanboys are wanting to bash the XB1 everybody suddenly has a gaming PC? But when they want to bash PC gamers suddenly the PC is an unimportant platform that is a completely separate market and can't be compared to consoles in any way? You can't have it both ways. If the PC getting some Xbox exclusives is any kind of threat to the XB1 it would prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that PC gaming is not a separate market. It would prove that the PC is just another option for gamers and therefor should be allowed in discussions and comparisons with the PS4 and other consoles.
I agree. What makes a console worth it are it's exclusives. If it doesn't have that many exclusives worth having, then what's the point of purchasing the console?... and that goes for both the X1 and PS4.
Thats what we did, Xbox One isn't worth it.
Xbox one is worth it. :) It has the exclusives i want. The fact that i dont game on pc makes the xbox still a better choice for me.
It always was and always will be about exclusives. Its those that differentiate the consoles. Build an identity almost. Ms still has a while to fix things so its not all doom n gloom. The games mentioned going to pc were probably heading there regardless if sales. The change at the helm was too late to affect those said titles destinations. From here on though, ms need to commission and churn out more 'true' exclusives. Take more risks. Allow more creative freedom for the dev teams within. They've had their warnings. Its not just about the number of dev teams and studios ......its about the output
But if the game isn't available on the rival console then it is still a console exclusive right? I thought PC was a completely separate market...as I've been told many times on this site. If that is the case then a console exclusive showing up on the PC shouldn't have any impact on the "console war". Consoles and PCs shouldn't be compared, right? Or is it that you don't want comparisons to the PC only when it makes the PS4 look bad? If bringing the PC into the equation makes the Xbox One look bad, however, you guys are all for it.
Maybe you're missing the point. Console exclusive was a term created last gen to make something seem greater than what it was. The games that are available on ps4 and pc are as you describe as console exclusives but they dont add 'as much' value as true exclusives. Too much goal post shifting. Exclusives aren't playable on more than a single platform. We pretty much all have pcs. The reason for the article is because the author acknowledges that by making games available on pc as well as console it lessens the need to purchase the console, hence, devaluing. Comparisons to pc.......what are you on about. How has the opinion of devaluing got anything to do with comparisons to pc? You sure are creative with your rebuttals
@CaptainObvious878, I've been preaching this all along, if you have a decent PC gaming spec, and you have a PS4, you are pretty much covered all gaming. One advantage of PS4 (or even PS3), the exclusives will NOT make it over to the PC side, while on Xbox, those "exclusives" will eventually make their way to PC.
I would pick up a WiiU before I pick up an X1 also. Halo is great but not really into MP and I've played the crap out of all of them already and Sunset Overdrive is not something that looks substantial. What else is there? In the first three months of 2015 the X1's library is going to pale in comparison to PS4, it already does as of now and it's just going to get worse.
1st off the article intentionally creates a bunch of parameters to try to downplay the XBOX list. It can't be on last gen regardless of who developed or published it and it can't be on on going to PC. MSFT is a software company whose bread and butter is working with PC. I'm sure some real time strategy games will be on XB1 and PC this gen, as well as other games. Even after eliminating games playable on XB1 not ps4 such as: Ryse, Dr3, Titanfall, Ori and the Blind Forest, Forza Horizon 2, and Project Spark. XB1 still has more and better games, and I only count KI once and didn't count xbox fitness. 2nd MSFT OWNS Quantum Break, you can find the patent if you would like or just do a google search. If it did go to PC at least 1 year later, I DON'T CARE, the more money MSFT makes on game sales, the better for me as an XBOX gamer. PC is not in competition with consoles, I heard many times on this site, "I'll just get it on PC, when in actuality only a fraction play console games on PC. Also with upcoming games like Batman, The Division, The Witcher... I don't hear anything about PC all I hear people talk about are XB1 and ps4 versions. Or games that already released like Watch Dogs and Wolfenstein I didn't hear anything about PC. ps4 fans love to talk about getting the best version, well if they really had PC's like they claim they do, they would almost always go for the PC version, yet they don't. PC is just a convenient way for ps4 fans to further their downplay agenda, which is laughable because 80% of ps4 games right now are ON PC. When we talk about games I alwasy see at least 1 ps4 fan post that list of 90+ games, well all that's left is 10 games when you exclude last gen and PC. 3rd the author calls Uncharted a juggernaut, well it doesn't even sell better than the 2nd largest Juggernaut on XBOX, despite being given away each time, no special edition anything, just the game for free. 4th I'll take the bolded XB1 games over the bolded ps4 games, regardless of where they end up. Halo MCC, Halo 5, Gears, Quantum Break, Sunset Overdrive >> Driveclub, Uncharted, the Order, Bloodborne. The only upcoming Xb1 game that MSFT doesn't own is Sunset Overdrive.
"Even after eliminating games playable on XB1 not ps4 such as: Ryse, Dr3, Titanfall, Ori and the Blind Forest, Forza Horizon 2, and Project Spark. XB1 still has more and better games, and I only count KI once and didn't count xbox fitness." So… Microsoft has made some CGI trailer announcements of games they have coming out in 2016, whilst Sony hasn't revealed their 2016 lineup, and to you that means that Xbone has more exclusives. LOL no. It would be nice if you actually managed to provide a list of all games on PS4 than aren't available on Xbone, but we all know you actually have no real idea. You guys are always listing but a fraction of PS4 exclusives that aren't on Xbone, whilst listing all Xbone games you know about. It's ridiculous. ========== "2nd MSFT OWNS Quantum Break, you can find the patent if you would like or just do a google search. If it did go to PC at least 1 year later, I DON'T CARE, the more money MSFT makes on game sales, the better for me as an XBOX gamer" You DEFINITELY can't say you don't care when you make as much effort as you do to make exclusives comparison lists, with games that aren't even exclusive, and by that exact same definition, PS4 has more and better rated games. Secondly, Microsoft doesn't make money from PC game sales. Having a TOP TIER Xbone exclusive go to PC, however you attempt to spin it, doesn't strengthen the perception of the Xbone. ========== "I alwasy see at least 1 ps4 fan post that list of 90+ games, well all that's left is 10 games when you exclude last gen and PC." If you DO see that list of 10 exclusives, it still outweighs the Xbone tally, so I can't see how you think you are making any kind of point. Gamers I know and respect appreciate diversity in a game lineup, and PS4 has the best diversity of any next gen console. ========== "the author calls Uncharted a juggernaut, well it doesn't even sell better than the 2nd largest Juggernaut on XBOX, despite being given away each time, no special edition anything, just the game for free." LOL: http://www.vgchartz.com/gam... http://www.vgchartz.com/gam... And since when does GEARS OF WAR get given away for free? ========== "I'll take the bolded XB1 games over the bolded ps4 games, regardless of where they end up" Do you actually think anyone believes that you wouldn't? What a laughable statement to make. Only proves that bias and insecurity is what drives your comments, never facts.
5th all your sad desperate fanboy excuses still don't make the XBox One worth it, and this is coming from a person who loves the 360 and owns hundreds of games for it (me). After last year's E3 and Microsoft's bungled plans (always-on DRM and no used game sales, plus the forced Kinect gimmick that drained valuable resources from the XB1 console itself), I opted for the PS4 and never looked back. Judging by the current sales, I'm not in the minority at all.
Too stupid, didn't read. btw here's a bonus pic that make you feel a lil better lel http://postimg.org/image/uk...
@truefan: "1st off the article intentionally creates a bunch of parameters to try to downplay the XBOX list." Just like how you intentionally create parameters to try and downplay playstation games? "Even after eliminating games playable on XB1 not ps4 such as: Ryse, Dr3, Titanfall..." Given recent developments, those games might end up on PS4, too. "XB1 still has more and better games, and I only count KI once and didn't count xbox fitness." A) "better" is opinion. B) "more" is factually incorrect. Xbone 2014: http://www.gamespot.com/art... - 90 games total (1st, 2nd, and 3rd party) PS4 2014: http://www.gamespot.com/art... - 138 total games (1st, 2nd, and 3rd party) "2nd MSFT OWNS Quantum Break, you can find the patent" They don't file patents on games, so sorry... "I DON'T CARE" You sure cared enough to post a wall of text, and downplay PS4 like you usually do. "ps4 fans love to talk about getting the best version, well if they really had PC's like they claim they do..." They talk about getting the best console version... And they play it on console because they prefer console over PC. And I know it's not that uncommon for people to get a game for multiple platforms (i.e. PC, and console). "3rd the author calls Uncharted a juggernaut..." That's because it is. "4th I'll take the bolded XB1 games over the bolded ps4 games" ... Captain obvious called... "... Sunset Overdrive >> Driveclub..." That's another opinion. And you conveniently listed less PS4 titles (again, in one if your failed attempts at downplaying playstation games).
I think there is a small group of morons that write these similar articles and then come on the forums like news for gamers and use multiple accounts to pump up their own and each others bs articles. They know the general public is easily manipulated and they prey on them. Thanks for keeping it classy guys.
Wow. First Ryse was reviewed as a piece of crap. Now that it is on PC a year later, it is devaluing X1. Which one is it? Can't be both.
I thought the same thing. It was a game all critics hated, people made fun of, a year later it jumps to PC, now it's causing this massive stink like it spells doom for the Xbone. It's just odd how people act.
It can be both. Ryse has a defense force.
Bigpappy why can't it be both? If your selling a game as exclusive and it turns out not to be that is not good, doesn't matter how crap the game might be Exclusives are the main reason people would choose one console over another as it is the xone doesn't have that many and what they have seem to be heading for the PC anyway, suggesting a PS4 and PC is a good combo for gamers or as others have said WiiU. Seriously why bother with the xone?
Because not everybody likes gaming on PC, as I've been told countless times by console gamers on this site. Why does every console gamer suddenly have a PC, but only when it comes time to have an excuse to bash the XB1? If all of you Sony fanboys really had good gaming PCs you wouldn't be buying multiplats on the PS4 or singing the praises of the superior multiplats on the PS4 vs the XB1, you would simply buy them for the PC and enjoy the truly superior versions. But you're all frauds. When you want to keep the PC out of the discussion so as to not make the PS4 look bad you claim that the PC is a separate platform and can't be compared to consoles, but when a formerly XB1 exclusive game comes over to the PC then you guys act like it's this big blow to the XB1 because gamers are just going to buy the PC version instead of the XB1 version. "No reason to buy an XB1", you say. Really? So NOW the PC is just another gaming platform that many console gamers own?
I have a PC son. I don't want a PS4 or I would have bought one. You need to work your way though puberty before trying to give others advice on how to spend their money. My main gripe with the Play Station has always been the controller, but recently the attitude and personality of it's fanboys make me say even further away. I prefer to quit gaming than to be on the internet sharing a game and conversation with most of you. So there you have it. Your answer in spades!
@BigPappy: So you hate Playstation fanboys because they're annoying and that turns you off from the platform, but you ignore the fact that Xbox fanboys are just as annoying and apparently, you own an Xbox One... If it bothers you on one end but not on the other, that probably means you side with one and not the other. What I'm saying is you're an Xbox fanboy.
Well said zeuanimals, some people can't cope with the truth Bigpappy it seems is one such person, his answer has fanboy written all over it although his puberty comment made me laugh lol.
Crap or not it was one of the few exclusives Xbox had. All that's left now is forza right? Everything else has gone multi-platform.
Ryse, and DR3 both went to pc (both companies near closing down), they are doing what the have to do to try salvaging their business. Titan Fall was always meant for pc. I haven't seen anything else, go multiplat. Never the less, xbox is moving the needle on 1st party ips, as well as going for more ownership of funded ips (which is most important)to me. The xbox community is in for some amazing gaming this gen, with year one looking to end with a bang... Game on.
Well the "exclusive" Plants vs. Zombies: Garden Warfare is actually releasing on PS4 in 10 days so here's another one.
Why can't it be both? No matter how good or bad it was, it was one of the games that made the XB1 unique, one of the titles you needed THAT hardware for. With exclusivity gone, so goes the necessity for the XB1- in respect to that game, since we're talking about it. Value can rather easily be seen as reasons to buy/own something. So if the XB1 is running out of reasons to buy it, it's losing value. Pretty simple.
@Bigpappy It is a trend that is happening to Titanfall and Dead Rising as well. We can debate as to the reason why they are being thrust on the PC market so early, but the fact is they are there. For a PC gamer, there is no reason to buy a XBOne for those titles, which is great for PC gamers who have seen their market shrink, due largely to consoles. It'll just be at the expense of XBox brand value - and maybe not that much of a loss. Because there are really no system sellers like Halo and Uncharted, but regardless being on PC is going mean these XBOne games are going to sell fewer consoles than PS4 counterparts. But given how PS4 sales are now head and shoulder above XBOne, the argument is still kind of moot. As for Ryse specifically, I doubt Crytek is going to recoup much of anything putting it on PC anyway. But that the developer's fault not Microsoft's policies.
There were and are a lot of vocal proponents of Ryse on this site since its release. If you believe them, it was an enjoyable game. However, I doubt that releasing it on PC will do much for Crytek's bottom line. On the other hand, Dead Rising 3 is something I'm looking forward to when it's released in September.