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Why Suing Sony Over Killzone: Shadow Fall's "Fake 1080p" is Ridiculous

Mike from Twinfinite writes, "There’s a new sheriff in town, and his name is Douglas Ladore. Mr. Ladore is suing Sony for false advertising over the resolution of the multiplayer mode in Killzone: Shadow Fall after buying it on the promise of next-gen graphics and feeling disappointed by the fact that they weren’t rendered in full 1080p. Yes, it’s come to this."

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Mikelarry1171d ago (Edited 1171d ago )

its as easy as

pay $60 for a game and because of "false advertising" i expect 5 million dollars REALLY!!!, if you are that disappointed you will go back to the store or sony directly stating why you should get a full refund and if they sony denied you that then you sue but to come out of left field and sue come on now this guy is just trying to get paid.

ZodTheRipper1171d ago

I hope this backfires and he has to pay the legal expenses. It's really ridiculous and it would be even more so if he gets through with it. People didn't even notice this before it was analyzed thoroughly.

Mikelarry1171d ago (Edited 1171d ago )

"People didn't even notice this before it was analyzed thoroughly."

exactly if DF never came out and said anything about this he would have been none the wiser.

@ sonarus

i done condone any company to falsify the product or service they are selling to me but if i did find out i would approach them directly to explain my displeasure and if they just shunned my case then sue

Charybdis1171d ago (Edited 1171d ago )

Isn't this a Class Action suit where a large number of people with a common interest in a matter sue as a group.
Not sure if this guy is suing in order to get money out of Sony or in order to raise awareness to this particular issue.
I at least hope that publishers will receive the message that deceiving gamers with false advertisement or information is not ok.

HighResHero1171d ago (Edited 1171d ago )

The funny part is that nobody noticed until it was confirmed.

@disgrees: start posting some articles proving that people were aware of the problem before it was confirmed.

Even nitpicky journalists that found flaws in every other area didn't notice(speaking in general of course).

I'm not praising/defending the game btw and I'm more interested in other titles.

Patrick_pk441171d ago

@HighResHero People knew something was wrong with the multiplayer resolution, since the gameplay was more blurry and less sharp than the single players. We can't confirm something officially when we never worked on the game.

ShinMaster1171d ago (Edited 1171d ago )

The box of every Xbox 360 game said 1080p, when in reality it was upscaled 720p.

Why did no one sue?

Microsoft said that Kinect would be crucial to the Xbox One and that it was required to function and that it would guarantee developer support in order to justify their fanbase paying $100 more...
...Then we found out you didn't need it and they completely removed it. Screwing both developers and consumers.

Did anyone sue? Did developers sue?

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XtraTrstrL1171d ago

That's what makes it super corny. Ok, he wants to sue, sue for what you paid, or like $100-$200, whatever. Once you get past that, it's obvious you're looking for an easy payday. It's gonna get thrown out automatically probably, just for how much this douche is asking for.

Shabutie131171d ago

This is a class action suit. Everyone who bought it would get a small check. He isn't trying to get that money for himself. This is to make a statement about lying to your consumers.

XtraTrstrL1171d ago

@Shabutie13, Oh, didn't realize it was a class action suit.

Boody-Bandit1171d ago

It doesn't matter if it's a class action suit or not. This is a ludicrous lawsuit and nobody was lied to. It states clearly on the retail box "1080p Video Output" and in the fine print "Video Output in Full HD 1080p requires a "Native 1080p Display" This is a play on words that won't hold up now matter how it's spun.

Where were all the lawsuits last generation when one the back of most X360 retail boxes 1080p is written when nearly every game was below 720 and upscaled to 1080p?

Come on man. This is nonsense. Plain and simple.

sonarus1171d ago

Hey there is absolutely nothing wrong with trying to get paid and in all honesty, sony shouldn't be lying to customers. These types of things are necessary to keep these game makers in check

BiggerBoss1171d ago

So microsoft should be sued for claiming Xbox one will never be sold without kinect?

sonarus1171d ago

Why the hell not? It's not about whether the suit is won but nobody wants to pay legal fees so the threat of law suits is what ultimately keeps them in check.

Boody-Bandit1171d ago (Edited 1171d ago )

BiggerBoss

That's a great point.
Just look at all the early adopters of the XBOX ONE (me being one of them) being flat out lied to. Also all their other policies that Major Nelson and the boys said can't be undone.

Come on guys. Regardless if you're a fan of one console or a fan of them all? This lawsuit is flat out nonsense. It's bullsh!t like this as to why we have to go through all those nonsensical read and click accept terms before proceeding. Why would anyone justify this nonsense boggles my mind.

Parsing words and terminology will only make things more restrictive for us all. I'm tired of thumbing through the fine print. Money wasted fighting a BS suit vs investing in more games hurts the industry.

These guys bringing forth this suit are aholes and their lawyers give lawyers a bad name. If that's even possible. Nothing but parasites. Not that it matters. This will be shot down and they wont get a cent.

ramiuk11171d ago

how can he sue for so much?
its not like he lost anything etc or it caused him damages.

SilentNegotiator1171d ago (Edited 1171d ago )

Can anyone produce a link where Sony said that Killzone's multiplayer was native 1080p? I'm not interested in what all of the fanboys are going to obviously say on either side; either there's proof of Sony advertising native 1080p mp, or there isn't.

Downgrading MP graphics for extra smooth gameplay is hardly a new or rare practice, so let's not kid ourselves with claiming that Sony mentioning 1080p in KZ is enough to call them liars.

fonger081171d ago

Yeah it came from Sony's PR guy Sid Shuman back on November 3rd on the Playstation Blog, "Then there's the competitive multiplayer mode which runs at native 1080p and 60fps."
Sorry I'd copy the links but my work computer is blocking the sites.
That being said I agree, I think this is all completely unnecessary and waste of time.

Charybdis1171d ago (Edited 1171d ago )

Yeah you can go to killzone site are saying that because they use something called temporal reprojection the image is reconstructed into
full 1080p in multiplayer mode.

Q: Is KILLZONE SHADOW FALL running 1080p, or something else?
KILLZONE SHADOW FALL’s single and multiplayer modes both run at 1080p."

-They do admit it is not native
". If native means that every part of the pipeline is 1080p then this technique is not native."
-While also saying it is native
"Native is often used to indicate images that are not scaled; it is native by that definition"

source:Poria Torkan, Producer on 06-03-2014 https://www.killzone.com/en...
edited

SilentNegotiator1171d ago (Edited 1171d ago )

edit: oh this came out in March. I really wasn't looking for a post-launch clarification link.

I want to see a link that shows that they advertised **native 1080p MP** WITHOUT the clarification. They clearly explain everything in detail in that link; no one can walk away from reading that claiming that they had been deceived.

HighResHero1171d ago (Edited 1171d ago )

This hardly seems significant after the constant(often sneakier) BS I've heard from other PR/Marketing divisions(but I don't condone it).

Volkama1171d ago

Can't be bothered to find links, but they definitely exist. In fact the dev even continued to claim it is native 1080p in an official response when they were called out on it.

It was a bit naughty, especially when you consider the "unfair competition" aspect of the class action. What with the whole "resolutiongate" being leveraged at the time.

SilentNegotiator1171d ago (Edited 1171d ago )

"Yeah it came from Sony's PR guy Sid Shuman back on November 3rd on the Playstation Blog, "Then there's the competitive multiplayer mode which runs at native 1080p and 60fps."
Sorry I'd copy the links but my work computer is blocking the sites"

http://blog.us.playstation....

You're being blocked from which one? Neither post from Nov 3rd 2013 seems to be about KZ:SF, let alone its resolution...

"I'm blocked", "I can't be bothered"...how about links instead of excuses or else don't bother posting?

fonger081171d ago (Edited 1171d ago )

@silentNegotiator from www.computerandvideogames.com
and,
www.handytips.info.com

I don't understand our workplace firewall... I come to this site and polygon but can't go to IGN... Or how you try using google like rest of and research, don't spout off to me dude.

Edit got the links from my phone:
http://www.computerandvideo...

http://www.handytips.info/1...

http://blog.us.playstation....

SilentNegotiator1171d ago (Edited 1171d ago )

THANK you. F***ing finally. All I asked for was for someone that was more than certain about the situation to share a link (that WAS my research; better to ask people who already have links than google blindly).

There's no clarification in that link until a small March update. Pretty definitive; there was false advertisement.

Volkama1171d ago

No need to be rude. People do not always have URLs in their pocket ready to confirm answers to stupid questions.

SilentNegotiator1171d ago (Edited 1171d ago )

If you don't have a link, then there's no reason to reply to a comment that's just asking for a link.

fonger081171d ago

@SilentNegotiator I wasn't trying to show anyone up, I wasn't trying to put out any fanboyish propaganda, just trying to answer a question. It wasn't like the information was hidden deep within the bowels of the internet, all you had to was type "killzone + mp + native + 1080p" and you would have answered your own question.

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LackTrue4K1171d ago

The guy suing is an XBoxOne fan boy!!!

Case close, someone hand me a cookie...

BX811171d ago

If you false advertise to get millions. Those millions should be be taken.

ifistbrowni1171d ago (Edited 1171d ago )

in order to attain 5million it would have to be a class action law suit. Then, the 5m would be split up among the thousands of people that had bought the game (each person might get like $10-30)

The reason i think it's ridiculous is because it might force devs to not even try for 1080p in fear of "promising" 1080p, not hitting it, getting sued for false advertising.

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MorePowerOfGreen1171d ago

It's because Sony lied. if Sony lied folks have the right. No one is talking about 1080p upscaling from a lower resolution listed on a box. This is different, Sony made public PR statements saying a game is 1080p throughout and it's not.

Listing a max resolution for a game on the back of box(hardware enabled or not) is not the same thing as telling consumers a flat out lie about a spec explained in detail.

BiggerBoss1171d ago

Of course YOU would say that -.-

OT: i agree, this lawsuit is just ridiculous in every way. I hope the case gets laughed out of court

MCTJim1171d ago (Edited 1171d ago )

Sony made public PR statements saying a game is 1080p throughout and it's not.

exactly. This is his only Standing.

But really this suit is just silly.

Infamous2981171d ago

Microsoft should be sued too you know, because of lying continuously about the xbox one and false advertising of games as "Only on Xbox" when 1 year later its on PC , i am looking at ryse and dead rising 3.

BX811171d ago

I agree if that game is on another console at the time of the advertisement. If it's not then it's true.

marlinfan101171d ago

when the games released they were only on xbox. they don't own the IP so its not their fault they eventually released elsewhere.

Gaming_Guru1171d ago

You do know last generation on the XBOX 360 cases stated resolutions that weren't supported natively with most if not all their exclusive games. Just check any exclusive stating resolution and odds are it's wrong.

No one sued them, to be honest it's kind of ridiculous.

Master-H1171d ago

In that case Microsoft should be sued for false advertising too with how FORZA 5 actually compares to what Jamey Fallon played on TV.

dantesparda1171d ago (Edited 1171d ago )

@Green

But here's the catch, the game technically is 1080p, period! Because 960x1080 is still 1080p its just not Full HD 1920x1080. And more than half the game, oh you know the SP campaign is 1920x1080p. So technically speaking the game is 1080p. And why wasnt MS sued for all of last gen stating 1080p on the back of all its 360 game cases. Or for trying to pass of the E3 2013 versions of Ryse, Forza 5, DR3 and Killer Instinct (oh you know the ones that all ran at 1080p) as the actual X1 versions when we all know they arent. Or Ubisoft with WDs and so on.

marlinfan101171d ago (Edited 1171d ago )

thats the whole point, its not native 1080p like they said. its funny how you guys always resort to "what about MS?" were not talking about MS. theres enough articles about what they do wrong already. stop trying to put the blame on someone else.

when did MS ever go out of their way to say "this is the final version of the game" with those e3 showings? if they said that then all the power to you, you'd have a great point, but they didnt. sure its misleading but they aren't flat out lying

and about the 1080p on the box. the games are upscaled to 1080p. show me where MS said the games from last gen ran at native 1080p.

ziggurcat1171d ago

@MPOG:

"It's because Sony lied. if Sony lied folks have the right."

no. they didn't. and suing over a game's resolution is not a "right."

"Sony made public PR statements saying a game is 1080p throughout and it's not."

MS has made several statements about several of their games on xbone being 1080p as well, and most of them turned out to be 900p or lower.

MS also made several statements about some of their games being only available on xbone. turns out that's not true, either, when two of their flagship titles are going to be available on PC, too.

MS has also shown a couple PS4 titles in their own advertizing, and have (on a few occasions) referred to some 3rd party multiplatform titles as "exclusive" (MGS: Ground Zeroes).

so please... get off of your "blah blah blah sony PR statements" nonsense...

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hudsoniscool1171d ago

This whole 1080 p thing this gen is so damn annoying. I'd much rather go back to last gen when polygons was the big thing. I can't stand it.

BlackTar1871171d ago

lol +100 how soon we forget how many articles we got for a missing shadow or some grass or a frame rate jitter about 45min 37 seconds in on a multi plat game that was all the rave to make sure everyone knew about to claim inferior on one system.

How soon we forget

Number-Nine1171d ago

do you really have to go into 'why'? pretty self explanatory

Artista 1171d ago

It's a pity we can't blame the Xbox for this..