My Sony Microsoft & Square Enix Star Ocean Remnant Rant

SCRAWL: "Yeah, it was hard to think of a title for this one. If you haven't noticed, I'm really pissed off about today's news that Star Ocean: The Last Hope is only for the Xbox 360 and The Last Remnant will be hitting the Xbox 360 first."

[PS360WII]

You know franchises switch consoles. Final Fantasy has been on NES, SNES, PS1, PS2, PC, 360, and soon PS3. Dragon Quest is the same NES, SNES, PS1, PS2, and soon DS. Oh and as far as Star Ocean yeah that started out on SNES so what of it. Square Enix is a 3rd party developer they do not need to make a new game for a franchise on the same brand as the last one. If that was indeed the golden rule we would see a lot more Nintendo exclusives.

[Marceles]

Well one thing is that this isn't the almighty Squaresoft anymore...it's Square Enix. Once FF11 came out, that's when the multiplatforms began. FF Tactics on Game Boy Advance, Crystal Chronicles on Gamecube...but before all this, Square Enix was practically Playstation exclusive other than finally bringing FF7 and FF8 to the PC and those other Wonderswan releases. It looks like they're just testing out their options now, and are still looking to make money since they took a big hit from that Final Fantasy movie.

So...yes it's weird that we can't link Square to Playstation only anymore, but looks like we'll have to get used to it. I'm sure they're experimenting and looking to make money...and I've seen plenty of articles of Square-Enix talking about the PS3's price range and direction it's headed...PS3 has the Final Fantasies on lock and for PS3 fans, they can only hope Square Enix is starting to see what Sony really wants to do with the system and happy with the price drops that will occur later. I wouldn't make a rant about this though...the guy on the article is totally pissed off lol...

[FredFredrickson]

And before that they were SNES exclusive. Whining about what they used to do in an effort to change what they are doing now is pointless, because they are obviously seeing much more success by developing games for multiple platforms.

Honestly, I don't understand why people complain about this stuff. On the one hand, they desperately want Square to develop exclusively for their console. And on the other hand, they refuse to buy the other consoles that Square develops for. You can't have it both ways.

If you want to play all their games, pick up the respective systems and play 'em. In the meantime, the less moaning about it, the better.

[pimpstation]

It's quite obvious the M$ is cuttin some deals with Square Enix to try and sabotage the PS3.

That's the only way they can compete. It's why they bought up Rare and Bungie and all sorts of games (Gears, Bioshock, ect.) Hell, it's not just games, it's everything. Microsoft makes bad products that can't compete, but due to their dirty business tricks they manage to force everyone else out and take over a market. It's why we gots to use that wack windows garbage. Keep on going xbox fans and soon they'll have an abusive monopoly in games as well. I hope the government prosecutes them again and this time actually goes through with breaking em up.

[FredFredrickson]

The fact that you're spelling a company's name with a $ in it suggests that your suppositions into their business methods probably aren't based on any sort of fact.

If you want people to take you seriously in these discussions, cast aside the idiotic rhetoric and form a real opinion.

[LastDance]

FredFredrickson - sorry mate..where not all made of money.....

ps- I dont know much about star ocean but im going to assume that Playstation brand made it was it is today. If i was a fan of this game i would be absolutly fuming.

Sooo banjo kazooie should be on the wii(im quite aware that rare are making it but kids deserve it and will probably buy it compared to a fanbase who probably wont even give it a shot), star ocean should be on the playstion...anything else microsoft want to ruin for every1 else?

[jadenkorri]

when they release a game that originally got its name on the ps1/ps2, the sales figures for the 360 are low compared to the previous game on the ps1/ps2... Look at ace combat 6, it did horrible on the 360, cause it had no fan base unless they went and got a 360, chances are they didn't, unfortunately star ocean is another and will prob get mediocre sales compared to be releasing on the ps3, BTW, star ocean is like FF in Japan, so i highly doubt they will ignore them, i don;t mind multi-platform, but F'in timed or MS paying the big bucks to ruin a game is pissing me off as well.. i loved the ace combat series and i own every one, since Ace combat 6 is not coming to ps3, when Tom Clancy's Hawk comes out, im trading them all in for that... It'll be the last of Namco product I'll buy.. I want SOul Calibur, but screw that, maybe ill buy a previously viewed copy, at least its supporting someone i like rather than f'in Namco... if MS want my business, stop the fracking big checks and dirty business..

[Megaton]

Some of you may not like what pimpstation has to say, or how he says it, but it really is more or less the truth. If you've been paying attention to the electronics industry for the past couple decades, you'd know that Microsoft has a reputation for dirty business. They're very aggressive and will do whatever they can to get ahead, even when it hurts the consumer or breaks the law.

One recent example of this would be the 360. Any electronic device that breaks as much as the 360 should have been recalled, period. Instead they cover it with a warranty (helpful, but not fixing the problem at all) and continue to rigorously advertise and sell potentially faulty hardware to the average ignorant consumer. A recall would have been the ethical thing to do, but it would have sucked up their entire install base back to the factory, and cost them valuable time and money in the upcoming console war. Better for them, worse for the consumer.

Another example is Vista. After trying to cram it down everyone's throat and failing because it happens to be much worse than XP, they're already talking about Windows 7 coming in 2009. Of course they're still selling Vista with the same vigor and enthusiasm, and will no doubt expect all those unlucky Vista users to upgrade once again when it rolls out. Good for business, worse for the consumer.

Take from that what you will, call me whatever you want, but I'll always be against bad business practices, no matter who is perpetrating them.

[Dannagar]

Infinite Indiscovery was pitched before Playstation 3 development system were out and is part of the reason why it was birthed on Xbox 360. It's because of this, that Star Ocean 4 may have been developed on Xbox 360 as well, simply because they had development systems and experience.

News from Last year:

"Tri-Ace has posted a job recruitment ad in Japan to look for designers, game planners and programmers for two new titles, one is a new fantasy RPG, the other one is a new installment of a popular fantasy RPG, and both projects are planned for Xbox 360. It seems like the two RPGs refer to Infinite Undiscovery and Star Ocean 4."

Last Remnant uses the Unreal III engine. It's possible that Square Enix is having problems with it on PS3 or that development is going much slower. Just a thought.

http://www.the-magicbox.com...

@jadenkorri
The only people that feel Microsoft is ruining gaming are Playstation 3 fans. I loved the Sega Saturn. I remember what it felt like when Saturn games were getting delayed, canceled or going exclusive to Playstation One. It really sucked. I wasn't a fan of the original Xbox but as a gamer, I'm pleased with the Xbox 360. You can try and spin numbers but Xbox 360 games sell well.

[Bladestar]

@jadenkorri - no.. microsoft is not running gaming ... at least people that play Gears, Bioshock, Mass Effect, NG2, and a ton of other games don't think so... You are angry at microsoft for trying.. and also for the value that they give developers... you see... Sony is free to invest more into gaming and what do they do? Well... they go for blu-ray... remember all the money that Sony and blu-ray camp game movie studios to support only blu-ray... also, the money that Sony was willing to lose to ensure that blu-ray wins? how about doing all that for what you call gaming? Well.. you see microsoft has no blu-ray to focus on... so where will their money go? Into the people that make games.... because microsoft knows one thing... keep developers happy... and they will keep supporting the system... in terms they will make royalties and the xbox 360 will enjoy more fans which in terms will ensure the xbox brand future... it's that simple... unlike sony that says, "We don't pay for exclusive games.. bla bla bla"... but why not? what's so bad about giving developers some money back from the money that console makers are making? is a two way street.. why should microsoft, Sony and Nintendo keep all the money they make when developers are also working hard?

If by you making a game for my platform will bring $100,000,000 in profits... what's so bad about me giving you $20,000,000 to keep you happy? You the one who made me make the extra $80,000,000...
Every game that microsoft has paid for exclusive... time exclusive or what not... bioshock or Gears... even GTA already made microsoft the money back in royalties... it's the smart thing to do...

Why did nintendo lose the console war to Sony? the very same thing... Nintendo wanted all the money for them.. and didn't want to share with 3rd party developers... Sony paid for exclusives... became partners with all those developers for PS1... now that Sony got a brand... they , "Do not do such thing?"... really?
The money microsoft is paying for time exclusives or for bring a game to the xbox 360... is money that belongs to the developers anyways... without their games money wouldn't be made... Microsoft knows this... Why do you think windows have more software than other OS? why most games are made for windows when developers can run and make all their games for linux instead... most people don't get it... ehh? I don't care if my partner makes $9 and I make $1 when he is the one doing all the work... that's $1 I wouldn't make he is not around...

isn't obvious.. microsoft is writing all these checks.. and paying for exclusives and time exclusives... and yet the xbox division is profitable... isn't that something? And sony is not doing that... and yet they are still on red... do you know why? Sorry but 3rd party developers no longer have to beg sony to publish their games on the PS3... no longer developer have to do the "take it or leave it offer"... Sony is welcome to share some profits too... stop spending all that money on blu-ray and spend it on developers... the people that brings revenues.. and you will see how things change...

[Mr Fancy Pants]

People don't get stress out for this, lets wait for E3 to see what Sony is cooking... or some other event.

[MADGameR]

SONY made FF bigger than what it was. FF got very popular when it hit the PS consoles.

[bakasora]

I swear why Square-Enix move SO4 to X360.
I swear why Sony doesn't do anything.
I swear why Microsoft has so much money to buy exclusive.
I swear why a X360 will get RROD.
I swear why a PS3 is a waiting machine.
I swear why does a Wii cost as much as a PS3 in my country.

Im done. I feel better now.

[Tomdc]

I'm not really to fussed about this as a PS3 owner. The only JRPGs I'm really interested in is final fantasy 13 and Kingdom Hearts 3. Sure it would be nice to try some new ones but I'm content with these two =)

As long as KH3 comes to PS3 that is...

[Bloodwar]

I'm sick of all this fanboy crap. Calm down everyone. Some folk have made THE point! Listen. There is money to be had by going exclusive 360 or timed exclusives or even multi. There is also money to be had by going Exclusive PS3. If there are 18 to 20 million 360's vs 10 to 12 PS3's then, then Square Enix knew they could make money on the 360. We are seeing success with many of the JRPGs coming out on 360. And to all those that are saying, "Sony doesn't care about their fanbase", yet you are slamming MS over putting money into making sure their fanbase gets the exclusives, shouldn't you consider going with the console where the console maker must care about their fanbase for putting money into making sure we get exclusives? Sony might be relying solely on their name to get exclusives..maybe it won't happen.. maybe it will.. or perhaps Sony is doing some money transactions on the side to ensure that they get some exclusives. I think for someone to say, "I'm not going to buy another product that goes multi", ie AC6, thats just ignorant. AC6 is a brilliant game.. better looking, larger and more fun than the previous titles. I own a PS2, so I know this, I own a 360... and when God of War 3 comes out, I'm going to own my PS3.

Wow, some of you just make no sense. If I was saying MS doesn't care about its RPG fanbase and I was an RPG'er--which I am sometimes-- I would move on. But all the consoles are getting RPGs of some form or another exclusively, so it might just mean owning all the damn consoles.. which is a worthy investment. Spend sometime playing the game-not complaining about how Sony does its business vs how MS does its.

[Silogon]

I still can't wrap my head around how Square has yet to produce a single ps3 game and yet the ps3 fans think they're still loyal to Sony. I see 3 xbox 360 square games and not 1 Ps3 game, besides the absurd looking ff13, which now we know Star Ocean looks just as good.

[Whoooop]

Someone said POG...... It actually makes sense..

:)

[Drekken]

Well looks like we have an all time record from someone going from 6 bubbles to 1 bubble. And warranted at that!

[predator]

get over it already jesus

[Fishy Fingers]

Yeah I always thought Jesus was a bit of a wet blanket.

[predator]

lol

[RememberThe357]

Dude, that was classic.

[power of Green]

Lets move on...

[pwnmaster3000]

i agree with u pog lets move on, i for one dont care, because if its not a time exclusive i still got the 360.

i just feel srry for the people who only got a ps3 and feel betrayed by square.

but its not really square its really tri-ace

[Maverick_]

Dude its STAR OCEAN. These games have NEVER sold well, it's going to BOMB on the 360 and it's a b level RPG (When your talking about from Square Enix).

Like Square Eniz already said...they will never develop on the 360 and they kept that promise. Tri are making a couple of games for the 360 and there's a VERY good chance Star Ocean is already in the works right now and they just made an agreement to not say anything until a certain amount of time passes....kinda like with Bioshock...hahahahhahahahahhah aha

WHO CARES. Squares Eniz is EXCLUSIVELY developing the next Final Fantasy games on the PS3. It's taking forever becuase the games are going to be RIDICUOUSLY huge and amazing. Tri ace isn't Square Eniz and they aren't Level 5 either.

The 360 needs this. And their still just timed Exlcusives. Nothing to cry over. lol

[theKiller]

i had it on ps2 and played it 10 minute and then never again!! it looked good though, but its just not like FF!!!!

well square enix keep it up and make more time exclusives for 360 if u wanna loose market and make ur name lower and even loose more money!!!

i cant wait and see the sales of these games on 360!!

The Last Remnant?? well we dont know anything about it and white night stories looks similar to it and might top it!!

[Light Yagami]

I'm pretty sure Star Ocean 4 is a timed exclusive. But still Sony should do something to secure some exclusive JRPGs. Good thing I own a 360, so I can enjoy these JRPGs. At least it's not coming out on Wii.

[FredFredrickson]

I'm not a Wii owner myself, but I'm not sure I understand why there would be a problem with it coming out on Wii...? It'd be the smart choice for publishers, if all they are looking at is worldwide install base.

[RememberThe357]

Funny how these JRPGs are coming out on a console that doesn't sell for sh*t in the big J.

Oh, and FredFrenrickson( I think thats right)... M$! You see what I did there? With the $ where the S is suppose to be? In your FACE! YEAH!

[ArmrdChaos]

$ony.....works just as well if not better.

[RememberThe357]

Holy crap! That does work! I'm so using that from now until I forget about it.

[InMyOpinion]

There's a reason you don't see "$ony" being written that often on this site though.

[Max Power]

they don't throw money around.

[The Lazy One]

It's because sony fans have a harder time dealing with criticism of their lord and master.

goodbye bubbles.

[niall77]

if the well known Star Ocean wont sell on 360 I wounder what SE will do

Then again if it sells maybe the 360 can that Final Fantasy it needs to sell something in Japan

I say ther is alot riding on this "last hope"

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Or you could stop being upset about it and get a 360.

I know not everyone is in the financial situation to do so but if it bothers this author enough to write a rant about it how about saving them pennies for a 360.(?)

[Bnet343]

this is why its good to own all consoles, you dont have to worry about missing anything. I am saving my money for a PS3 this holiday season.

[FredFredrickson]

How can you blame Square for diversifying? It's good not to put all your eggs in one basket, and I think they are making a wise choice by making games for all platforms and not just one. They maintain fans independent of console choice that way, and I imagine, they make a great deal more money.

[LastDance]

because...companies only have so many, "eggs".

They spread their sources thin so we end up with half the product we could have, just because they want to do 6 things at once.

[Relin]

... frankly, they're not diversifying. They pulling their eggs from one basket and putting them in another. I had no problems with DMC4 going multi-plat, considering what it could do for the company, but this... seems counterproductive.

When it really comes down to it, though, I'm fed up with sequels from Squeenix. One new franchise in this long of time?

[Silogon]

Even if it is a timed exclusive

http://scrawlfx.com/wp-cont...

No way in hell Sony's hype machine can produce AA like that or textures. That is smoking hot and it's only possible on the much more capable xbox 360.

[Max Power]

dude you flip flop a lot. one comment your a level headed gamer, then the next you are a raging fanboy. makes my head spin.

[power of Green]

You dissagree?, no point in trolling 360 threads pissing yourselfs off making yourselfs more rabid/hateful towards the 360 and its fans.

Can't wait to watch the trailer on my huge HDTV on XBL later on.

[gambare]

that's how you call the screen of your cell phone?

[Ali_The_Brit]

PIG.....i mean POG, im curious..is that trailer gonna cost you M$ points? just about everything else on XBL does.......oh and if for whatever reason i wanted to watch the trailer, i could just go onto IE on my PS3 and stream the HD video live, on MY bigass HDTV :)

[MrWonderful]

i wish everyone would quit crying about this! As a strong sony supporter i say its a good thing that these games will reach a bigger audience. I know that they will be on the PS3 later so I am ok. Besides SquareEnix would not turn its back on japan they just want to reach more people which would be the west where the 360 is favored. It only makes sense in business terms.

[pwnmaster3000]

i notice microsoft games is mostly rpg's and rts./

the shooters are mostly multi

[Silogon]

What's really sad here is that while Sony is getting 1 year old xbox 360 games "Bio shock" Xbox 360 is lacing the track with new games all tither. Strange how the innovator is reduced to the trainee.

[MrWonderful]

360 may be getting alot of games but they ones coming to sonys machine are innovative. Thats why M$ is adding hdmi and motion sensing to the 360 now playing catch up. But back on topic sony has got the games coming and they look better than what the 360 has to offer ala "killzone2, Afrika, LBP" good things take time to make.

[FredFredrickson]

So far as everything I've read, there is nothing about any of those titles that couldn't be done on 360 - their devs just decided to go with the PS3 as their platform of delivery.

Playing catch-up is a silly way to describe the situation as well, but I don't expect a much of real opinion from someone who can't seem to find the 'S' key on their keyboard when it comes to spelling Microsoft.

[MrWonderful]

@ Fred

The "S" key means nothing to me as i only dislike Micro"S"oft for their approach of everything which happens to be
"$$$"! Do you know what That symbol means? You probably dont because you dont see enough of it to know what it is. besides I can say what I please because ill play star ocean on 360 and ps3 when it comes out. you cant say the same as you only own a 360! I will enjoy the luxury of being a true gamer unlike you "wannabe"

[Stunt]

Why is this taking so long to get approved anyway?

[kwicksandz]

Because it can be interpreted as anti sony

meanwhile the 1000th RROD article gets approved in 5 minutes haha!

[Angelitos]

I was surprised when I heard that star ocean is coming out for 360, and no mention of PS3.

[Angelitos]

M$ must be paying them, I dont see any other way.

[360 man]

well obviously it doesnt take a genius to figure that 1 out

[t-0_ot-]

That's old news.. remember? MS pays everybody off. Remember when Lair got shtty scores? Yep. Ms payed ALL the reviewers off. -.-

Moron.

It's business. Maybe you should learn that. A company simply does NOT gain very much from just working with one console. They can easily make a helluva lot more money by working with MS AND Sony.

If I ran a company producing games, I would only work on one console if I got payed to do so. It's just not smart, from a business stand point to work one one console without getting payed by either Sony or MS.

[vilmer]

People, read the comments there. Everything you need to know.

[crck]

to at least keep Star Ocean from completely moving to the 360. Although I'd be willing to bet a fair amount of money its timed. But the author has a point. why include a trailer for Star Ocean 4 on the PSP remakes if your just going to pimp out the series to the highest bidder. It just makes Square Enix look bad. I would also expect them to receive some backlash from fans in Japan.

[mboojigga]

The decision for them to do this isn't based on Japan, it is based on the potential to branch out to consumers who don't own a PS3. In addition I can bet you just like most delays or cancellations we see with the PS3 especially with Unreal Engine games, development is the issue. I wouldn't be surpised if we hear FFVIII went multiplatform.

[Condoleezza Rice]

I agree,hopefully it'll be out before Y2K.

[mboojigga]

Get a 360 problem solved.

End Rant

[Mr Fancy Pants]

X360 sux man! it burns itself! Quality <> MSFT

[Kassanova07]

FFVIII? Ur an idiot.

[dachiefsman]

bubbles for you man....first common sense post yet...

support the games not the hardware!

[4cough]

Go and create another petition sony fanboys.......... Boo mother phucking hoo.

[gambare]

It's not a surprise to see this kind of move (but SE didn't do the full move) from square(enix), they did the same stuff to nintendo, nintendo was a huge success with the super nintendo, and what happened? they went to Sony because (I still remember the conference back in 1994) "Our dreams are too huge to fit on a rom cartridge"

If they did that "treachery" to a great partner as nintendo and became a Sony exclusive, it didn't surprised me that SE made this move, but there is one excuse... and only one (but I don't think that is the real excuse) : SE is spending a TON of money and resources with the development of FFXIII, maybe is way too huge and they don't want to deviate any kind of effort in a low quality product that could put at risk a product like FFXIII.

we'll have to see, but even if they put first on the 360 is because the 360 is a low development cost console, the proof is metal gear solid 4, MGS4 is huge, and it can't fit in any way in the 360, so it will be FFXIII, but as they are two huge titles, they cost more.

MAYBE SE is focusing in single title in the PS3, just like kojima did. Why? because the PS3 is made for huge titles, (Here comes the Haze rant) not small titles that fits in a dvd (or many dvds)

[eagle21]

I will be more than satisfied if White Knight Story (Level-5 and Sony published) to be announced because I have read on it for a while, but I will be patient for Star Ocean. Like the author said, there are RPG's for PS3 this year and I trust Level-5.

Star Ocean says 2009 release date on wikipedia by the way.

I honestly (in the nicest way possible) do not care for Last Remnant.

Just give me BIG MOMMA and BIG POPPA (FFXIII and VERSUS) and me will be happy. :)

[mboojigga]

I am sure if these games go multiplatform or timed exclusive to the 360 you will change your stance saying you didn't care about those games either.

[jvillan]

They can't get a 360, because these people don't play games...

THEY PLAY CONSOLES!!!

F'in Fanboys for the Ultimate Loss
/end

[dachiefsman]

HAhAHAAHhAHAAHAHAHAHAHAA

you are the man! Bubbles for you!

[eagle21]

And you can too. Stop making excuses for MS. They dropped the ball in a whole bunch of places this gen, and will come in third. PERIOD

[Expy]

On the topic of SO4, Square-Enix has never declared exclusivity, and neither has Microsoft, they just withheld to mention any other platforms.

[tako2000]

I just recalled it after I get back from the shock when I see the news last night. Square-Enix CEO said "We are trying to expand our US market" while ago, and guess which platform have bigger market share in US...

Though despite whatever deal MS throw-in or the understanding of the real-world rule (profit is everything!!). I do lost big chunk of respect toward Squire-Enix.

The Last Remnant delay on PS3 version is understandable, UE3 always experienced trouble when used on PS3. But wtf is with the SO4!? It is not wrong to go X360 exclusive, but why-oh-why you include SO4 trailer into PSP SO remake? Don't you know how many people you misguide to believe PS3 will get piece of action? If talk about the list of shocking game news, this is only second behind the event Capcom pulled on PS3, "ya~well, we gonna develop MH3 on Wii instead of previous announce on PS3". Good job, SE.

PS: don't know if it's real, but I do heard that Sony's principle is "we don't pay for exclusive". Talk about back-fire...

[Snukadaman]

Man I remember when people were saying star ocean was going to be a ps3 exclusive..now this news comes and now people gloss over the news and actually blame microsoft for getting those exclusives...face it folks...it might not even be a money hat sort of situation..it might just be the fact that it cost more to develop for ps3 games and those costs dont make sense on the return. sony more then likely paid for haze and ut3 to be exclusive and not much was made about that fact. Lets be honest..I like the fact that these console makers are making a effort to purchase exclusives...it shows that they are trying to appease most of the owners of their consoles be it fps or even jrpg.

[Expy]

Neither Microsoft nor Square-Enix have declared the game exclusive to ANY platform.

[LightningPS3]

just sell your PS3 and buy an XBOX 360. 360 is killing the PS3 this gen, this is old news.

The only ones in denial now are the playstation fans, I'm one of them. But it's getting really hard to defend the PS3 now, when the 360 just continues to get all the games.

MGS4 will boost sales for a month or so, then that's it. It looks like Final Fantasy is going multi, Killzone 2 is another Haze, previews are already hammering it, and those are just previews of a showcase level.

The fact is you gotta be delusional to be a PS3 fan these days, keep dreaming about secret weapon games (unannounced exclusives) that are rumored and whatnot, please... It's just time to move on.

I'm not buying MGS4 or anything PS3 anymore, because I don't think PS3 is gonna be making it.

Crazy PS3 fanboys will always claim it's just 360 fanboys trying to get into their heads. It's not, it's simply that 360 is a game console for gamers with the goal of getting the best games possible and PS3 is just a giant blu ray player that was expecting to bank off the PS2 fanbase. I'm sick of making excuses for all the multi platform games that are always better on XBOX 360. It's not developers fault that the PS3 is not as convienent to work on. And if the PS3 was really more powerful, they would obviously be making better looking games on PS3, but they aren't because it's not true. Even first party developers are making games pretty much on par with what's on 360 graphically and these developers are specialists with the PS3 hardware.

I think it's enough of making excuses as we watch the PS3 get outsold month after month even in 2008. There isn't gonna be any sudden comeback, no one game is suddenly gonna change the fate of the PS3. It's just time to grow up and confront reality.

the 360 isn't that bad. It's just another gaming console. So I think it's time for us Playstation fans to realize this and change it up.

[DJ]

But PS3 has been outselling the 360 throughout All of 2008. And there's no need troll around with such statements as "I'm not buying MGS4 or anything PS3 anymore, because I don't think PS3 is gonna be making it"

and "if the PS3 was really more powerful, they would obviously be making better looking games on PS3"

We've played Uncharted. We've seen Killzone 2. And we're about the get our copies of MGS4, arguably the biggest game of the year. Come on dude, who're you trying to fool?

[cmrbe]

sell your PS3 and stop crying like a baby. Seriously please do. I really don't want to here you moan and cry all the time so do yourself and everyone else a favor. Sell your PS3, buy a x360 and STFU. Please don't insult peoples intelligence. Anyone with half a brain can look right through you.

[Ro11z]

you Say you own a Ps3 yet you sit there and spew untrue and unrealistic facts i mean have you even played a Ps3 game FFS.

Games Such a uncharted, Gran turismo, killzone2 & Finally MGS4 blatently show the Ps3 has the power to show the 360 the Door. Even 3rd party devs Like Criterion (Burnout) & Codemasters (Grid) show if the dev takes the time to learn something new we get excellent games.

its Just Lazy Devs like Epic (ut3) that are so used to and payed big sums From Microsoft that Make the Ps3 look date and worse than the 360

Sure we are loosing a few games from SE but That company has focus on the US so its no suprise the 360 is there console off choice still kinda crule to tease on the PsP tho :S

(if your wondering i have owned all the consoles but had to just give up on my 360 as i went though 5 before i just sold the lot and gave up trying to use a unreliable console)

[Dark General]

But to each his own. I myself, personally don't like JRPG's (surprising since i have a Ps2 and Ps3 yet i don't own a single JRPG) but the truth is different strokes for different folks. I don't care about the more graphically superior consoles i just want the games i love. I want to be entertained. Now the 360 and Ps3 does have great games, each one of them. But let me be honest there is no God of War or Metal Gear Solid on the 360 and those are my two favorite franchises. If there's another Hitman, Deus Ex or Legacy of Kain game i'm pretty sure it'll be multiplatform and if it isn't then i'll have to bite the bullet and plunk down 400 smackers for a 360.

I don't like calling myself a hardcore gamer (even though i own more than 100 games) and i see myself as a gamer. My favorite system of all time is the Dreamcast. Which to many is a flop and didn't sell well, but to me it had some of the most memorable and fun games. They weren't as verbose as Ps2, Ps3 or 360 games but they had charm, they were fun to play and they were different. I just want a fun experience and i go with a console that i know will provide it. Playstation consoles always have quirky titles such as echochrome and okami and shadow of colossus those are unique experiences that the Playstation brings. That along with having all the extra little things the Ps3 can do makes for a fun experience.

You can go trade in your Ps3 for a 360 because it has "better graphics" or is selling "more consoles" or whatever your excuse maybe. That's fine, it's your opinion i accept it. But for me and i believe others here the reason for owning a Playstation 3 isn't because it sells the most or whatever other type of console war politics people use these days. The reason people like me still have Ps3's and want Ps3's because it has what we want, and it's delivering a fun experience for us. That's all i have to say about that.

[JD_Shadow]

And you're really throwing that "I'm not a fanboy, I'm not a fanboy" blanket on yourself as if anyone is going to be fooled. If you enjoy one console over another, fine. That's fine, but don't try to act all activist and say you're going to boycott games just because they're made for a platform you don't like. We can see right past it (remember, us gamers aren't stupid).

By the way, you haven't read anything about the Bioshock PS3 port, have you?

[CertifiedGamer]

Ima hardcore gamer but sorry dude I got bills to pay and don't have time to spend running in a circle trying to gain 100 levels on random battles(unless they remade ff7 of course).
Even though I am hardcore I prefer casual action mixed rpgs like Star Wars Knights of the old republic,ff vs. 13, kingdom hearts,resident evil,god of war,zelda, where the game feels like you got somewhere after 2 hours I could care less about Square Enix,
I just want the games that I like to be created on PS3 as the lead platform because the otherway around leaves us screwd over.
I am happy fps killed Hardcore rpgs(I give props to halo for that).
I hope mass effect comes out on PS3.
Hardcore JRPGs are 2 slow paced for me I lost interest in them.
On the real Id rather be gaining points with females I am trying to splack than JRPGs.
tomorrow Ima be playing Metal gear solid 4 and feel pretty excited about it cuz the game is wicked.
and I aint going to bring myself down to that level to critize ya for getting star ocean because I don't like JRPGs in the first place I would rather play call of duty 4.
So I am happy because I don't really care.
Why do us fanboys go and fight for games that we know we ain't going to play on either system PS3 or 360 I am speaking for myself.

[power of Green]

This is not the first time you posted in these Japanese 360 threads so you *do* care.

No one cares what games you wan't to play on your inferior POS console. PS3 isn't powerful enough for Mass effect.

Who in the hell repeatedly trolls threads then feels the need to go on and say they're not intrested in the topic(don't like JAP RPG's)lol

The best way to show you don't care for the genre etc is to stop trolling and trying to advertise your garbage console and your silly titles you wan't for it.

[PoSTedUP]

very well spoken dogg. i feel almost the same way. and i really dont care what other people think about anything that i like. god of war 3 is a 3d action game, im not sure about RPG, it might be. either or i still cant wait long for that game. why cant we just play our games? im sure we all have points to prove. im getting a lil tired of that though honestly. im probably getting a 360 when the new ones come in, i play my cuz's all the time. its a cool ass system, with some cool ass games. peace and god bless.

p.s 360 fans are missing out on some really awesome games whether you like it or not, i almost feel sorry for you guy's.

[power of Green]

POS3 is holding 360 games back as soon as people find out Sony is FULLOFSHIT and the fact PS3 is inferior the better. Devs will be able to focus on the 360's superior hardware and Sony will no longer have to waste money trying to steal MSFT's ideas from this gen and the last to compete and the trolling foaming at the mouth nut cases won't be trying to control popular opinion with anti MSFT agenda's and fud(gamers will finally be in peace).

AND BY THIS TIME "PoSTedUP" WILL NO LONGER FEEL THE NEED TO PATROL 360 NEWS MAKING SURE 360 FANS DON'T ENJOY 360 NEWS SPREADING HIS ANTI MSFT HATE TOWARDS THE 360 AND ITS FANS.

I JUST TYPED THIS I CAN'T EVEN SEE WHAT THE FOOL IS SAYING SICK OF HIS TROLLING.

I think people are finally seeing PS3 is just full of empty promises packed in inferior hardare hence the sales in the US, it will take Japan as long to learn this as many European countries.

[PoSTedUP]

im not going to read your whole retarded statement. but, what ever you say pal. peace and god bless ; )

[power of Green]

A site filled with hundreds of PS3 fanboys making up 98% of this site it sure does seem empty, most of the smart ones are still in shock, in a day or two its going to be on when they come with their attacks.

Hell you should have seen it many hardcore Sony fanboys turned on Sony for this and other Sony fanboys could not grasp what was happening all they could do is accuse angry PS3 fanboys of being UnderCover Xbots. lol

[PoSTedUP]

ok pal, peace and god bless ; )

[Ali_The_Brit]

then if your so lonely, do us all a favour AND PI$$ OFF.

go find some over xbotts to hang out with, seriously each to is own, all the sane logical people hear know we have backed the winning horse with PS3, its funny how you say everyone else trolls, but seem blatently blind to the fact your the one trolling.

Oh and id give you more bubbles if i could PoSTedUp, i love the fact you genuinly get on PIG.......i mean POGS nerves so bad :)

[t-0_ot-]

To CertifiedGamer and Posted - People can't just play games because there either jealous or they don't want people to have games that they don't have. Which both of those are basically the same thing.

I'm sorry, but if your a hardcore PS3 fanboy and your in a 360 **ONlY** thread and you don't want a 360.. then why waste your time if your not jealous? It jus doesn't make sense to me..?

[PoSTedUP]

no one crying over here.

microsoft needs to do something.. good luck microsoft.

[cmrbe]

what the big deal is. This guy is a retard. Crying like a baby.

[StrboyM]

its sad to see that we love our favorite consoles so much but we cant even have a decent conversation ( i know im guilty also) but look at a poster from the storys origins post

long read but worth it...makes tons of sense to me

manaknight Says:
June 10th, 2008 at 9:51 pm

Let me explain the situation:

MS pitched to Tri-Ace to develop a brand new IP RPG on the 360 known as Infinite Indiscovery. This was WAY before Sony even had PS3 development kits out. MS pitched for the game long before PS3 was even out. They were going to be the publisher’s initially. Square Enix switched as the publishers. Tri-Ace already had a next gen graphic engine made on 360 for IU, so wouldn’t it make more sense in ways to bring your second game in development on a platform you already are familiar with, have a graphic engine up and running on? Since they are already use to the 360 hardware, they can get SO4 out quickly. Unless both games bomb, Tri-Ace may stick to 360 (and Square Enix approves it). Tri-Ace had engines made on PS1 and PS2 last gen, which is why they stuck with them.

The creators of FFXIII games have their engine running on PS3. Although they claim it can work on other platforms, it will most likely run best on PS3, and PS3 will probably continue to see all their HD games. I really wouldn’t be surprised if CyberConnect2 (makers of Naruto on PS3) make .Hack on PS3 (It they want it on an HD console) since they are more familiar with PS3 and already have an engine up and running on PS3.

Devs just don’t suddenly switch platforms unless they are moving to another generation, or are forced to due to financial reasons (usually pressure by the publisher).

This news is not surprising because I remember seeing this a while ago:
http://www.the-magicbox.com...

This is not really Sony’s fault. The only way Sony could have gotten Star Ocean 4 on PS3 is to provide development kits for free to Tri-Ace and basically pay for them to create a PS3 graphic engine. Also, if Sony did all that, SO4 probably wouldn’t be out until 2010.

Just because Star Ocean 2, 3, and two PSP remakes were all on a PlayStation, doesn’t mean Tri-Ace has to stick with PlayStation. Star Ocean: Blue Sphere was on GBC and the original Star Ocean was an SNES game. Dino Crisis was exclusive to PS for the first two while the third went Xbox exclusive.

There’s no denying I wanted SO4 on PS3, but when MS basically already created an engine for Tri-Ace, Tri-Ace pretty much had no choice but to bring SO4 to 360.

[MR LOOKINGBILL]

@ jaddenkorri Iguess in your world if sony was doing the same tactics as MS everything would be fine and daandy.

[Baka-akaB]

I can understand whining right now . Quite frankly why the hell would anyone mostly caring for JRPGs , bother with the console that seemed to bomb in japan ?

Of course 360 had some big exclusives hyped very early on ... but still the real big names were on ps3 , and people naturally assumed they'd be safe buying the next gen console not tanking in japan ....

Again why , back then would have i invested in 360 knowing about its abysmall japanese numbers ? Most people would logically assume jap devs would secure their income on the wii or ps3 then .

I invested in 360 quite early lured by an unnamed Tri Ace game , Eternal Sonata , Lost odyssey and Blue Dragon , wich imo turned out to be a gigantic turd in LO's case , and just a decent game in BD's and Sonata's cases. I was even pondering reselling the 360 , until i heard about Vesperia and guessed it would be some kind of timed exclusive at the very least ....
And there was no way i'd skip a tales of , never ...
Also that unnammed tri ace 360 game turned out to be IU ..

Again i understand people getting angry , i got lucky since i've always picked most consoles except first xbox and jaguar , and had enough money , but its bound to piss people who actually considered carefully their console , based on its "demographic" and how it performs in the country producing their games of choice , precedent trends for jrpgs , expectation of at least mostly multiplatform games .

They'll wait or move on , get both ps3 and 360 , but it's bound to get aggravating for some .

[Mr Fancy Pants]

the really incredible thing here is not the news about star ocean becoming exclusive or the fact that last remnant is coming first for X360. in fact what shocked me most is, how that heck that "power of Green" guy has so many bubbles... with all those retarded comments and all. it makes me wonder... how?.

what's your secret pog?

BTW I am not defending PoSTedUP. He's just another retard like pog. Sorry...

[McValdemar]

Next time buy a console for the games, not for the brand.

Is crystal clear from the very beginning that Sony in this generation is always a step behind MS in term of games.

MS have been able to deliver this generation first and is feeding her customers with tons of games, many exclusives, many better versions, and many timed exclusives.

In my opinion PS3 will ABSOLUTELY get it's Star Ocean.
But what's the sense of playing later?
Dunno.

As an Xbox360 owner, I can only be happy (even if I'm not interested in this game) because I see that the company that sold me the console is investing alot in games and I'm playing ALOT since November 2005.

While on PS3 side I see a company telling me about GigaFlops, movies, home, selling demos as games, shifting titles release dates, and expecting loyalty just because they have a bunch of great exclusives?
Too little, too late.

[littletad]

I don't see this kind of opinion among gamers on here. Truly rare. But I do agree one thing, people tend to think gaming IS Sony. What they did is simply make a platform console that developers made great games for. That doesn't necessarily mean they are the best or the most deserving company in terms of loyalty. Games should ALWAYS be the sole factor as to what consoles we own or what we buy, period.

[littletad]

Oh wait it's a bloggers rant. Goodness someone get the man a tissue. Apparently he missed the memo of Nintendo-Squaresoft relationship prior to Sony's Playstation. Loyalty has become a fascism these days hasn't it?

[JD_Shadow]

...remember that SE is giving ALL platforms exclusives (as I've said before), and unless MS paid $50 million or some other ridiculous amount, you will see that PS3 release of these games be wide open.

If nothing else, the backlash from PS3 fans may make them think twice. SE is one to listen to outcries from dissatisfied fans (look at how much FFXI has improved in recent years from fan input. They wanted more endgame activities, some action on gilsellers, cheaters, and RMTs, and they are getting all that and then some). Personally, I think that not only did SE keep that door open (they didn't try to deny it like 2K games was trying to do with Bioshock), but I think SE has the option to change their minds on this.

[Lingonbak]

Thats exactly how I feel, why the hell did they agree to make star ocean a 360 exlucive? For me its totally ok that 360 got infinte undiscovery since its a brand new series of games but star ocean grew up side by side with the playstation so the least thing they could do then is to make the game a multiplatform title. About that thing that Final Fantasy will end up on the xbox... Nah dont think so, beacuse sony still owns a tiny tiny part of square and i belive that the tiny part were to secure the final fantasy series to future playstation consoles

[pwnmaster3000]

ps3 fans dont even trip its not squares fault id tri ace and i think they kno wat they are doing

[Robearboy]

What microsoft are doing is brilliant business practice, why pay out 15-30 million dollars to develop a game, pay for employees wages, running costs, overheads, taxes etc when they can get 3rd party studios to develop the games and cover all of the costs, and give them a back hander for timed exclusives, its called economics and its why Microsoft have bucket loads of money and are one of the worlds largest corporations.

[spacetoilet]

I for one chose the Ps3 in order to get JRPG's.
Now at the moment it may look a little grim that 360 is getting Star Ocean and Last remnant or DS gets the new Dragon quest, but give it time people.

But this is a third party market. And Square and others know that (in USA at least) there are tons of 360's out there with potential JRPG loving owners with dollars to spend. Bottom line.

The Ps3 is picking up steam in Japan in both sales and in the skills of the developers. That can only mean one thing IMO.......tons of crazy JRPG's for the PS3!!!!
Starting with White Knight Story and FF XIII!!!
Trust me, it's going to be GRAVY for a ps3 owning JRPG fan.

[muddygamesite]

when is white night story coming out?

[MainEventX]

I aint gonna lie im a PS3 fanboy to the fullest because I believe The Playstation is a better console but I will play the 360 and Wii every now and then but this news sux for PS3 owners. I was really hoping Star Ocean 4 was coming to PS3 and Tales of Vesperia. I could care less about Infinite Undiscovery and The Last Remnant those two look gay. The only reason 360 is the lead platform for mutiplatform games and get all these exclusives is because they pay for them thats why PS3 ports look like crap too cause sony dosent pay for stuff like that.

[pumpkinpunker]

"About that thing that Final Fantasy will end up on the xbox... Nah dont think so, beacuse sony still owns a tiny tiny part of square and i belive that the tiny part were to secure the final fantasy series to future playstation consoles..."

FF started out on Nintendo. You don't see Wii fanboys crying.

[360 man]

dats because wii has crystal chronicles

[Veryangryxbot]

If FF13 is coming to the 360, then why didnt MS announce it yesterday during their MS RPG 2008 and 2009 LINE UP CONFERENCE??? You know the thing where they supposedly announced all their 2008 and 2009 RPG line up? Lmao.

OWNED MUCH?

Stupid monkeys.

[timmyrulz]

You enjoy your gravy, and whilst you wait for it i in the meantime will be enjoying a full cooked beef lunch with all the trimmings :)

[Hellraizer]

Neither is Final Fantasy...or Dragon Quest. those games didnt start with FFVII or DQVII, there was FF before, and there will be FF on other platforms then a Sony platform.

Squaresoft or Square Enix were, are and always will be multiplatform. They go where the money is. Loyalty means nothing in our capitalistic world.

[tudors]

the Xbox-360 has had hardware issues, I am on my 2nd not including my upgrade to the HDMI model which I did because it made sense and less noise lol, but hardware issues aside can anyone honestly say MS has not delivered? it is not that the PS3 is not a great console, it just seems to me MS have basically worked harder to deliver a great gaming expierience, Kudos to Sony for investing in new Tec, but on the other hand Kudos to MS for giving us Xbox-live.

For the record Sony do need to sort this out, it has put me off buying the console (for now), there have been too many cancellations for my liking.

[Hellraizer]

MS gave the devs a pretty easy developing platform. Its so easy to port from PC to 360 and vice versa, where on the other hand, a lot of devs have problems with the PS3. Not all, but a lot (when Sony has to send out their own devs to R* to help them develop GTAIV for PS3, its saying something)

My guess is, its the same with Star Ocean 4. Tri-Ace are working with MS since 2005 (on IU) so they have learned and gained a lot of experience with the (easy to handle) system, SO4 is just the result of good cooperation.

[360 man]

ok so lets get this straight
NO EIGHT DAYS
NO GETAWAY 3
AND NOW NO STAR OCEAN 4
LAST REMNANT WHICH LOOKS AMAZING IS NOW A TIMED EXCLUSIVE FOR 360

hmm i find the latest predicaments very interesting.

[Veryangryxbot]

No more Halo as Bungie abandonned ship;
Bioware going multi platform;
Bioshock announced for PS3.
PGR contract discontinued.
Itagaki kicked out of Tecmo. DOA and NG highly likely multi platform now.

Writings on the wall. I find these writing more interesting than a few no name games.

Lets face it. Unsurpassed line up:
FF13, MGS4, VS13, MGO, GT5, GOD 3, KZ2, SO4 which will come to the PS3 anyway.
You are crying over the getaway when it never mattered in the console war = stupid fanboy. You shouldnt worry about eight days or getaway. You should be crying over the the lost of the last of the 360 "exclusives" DOA and NG2.

[juuken]

1. You're wrong. Eight Days production was merely stopped to redistribute resources. It's still going to come out.
2. Same things with Getaway.
3. Timed exclusive, yes but what makes you think it won't look better on the PS3?

I also find it interesting that the 360 is trying so very hard in Japan while Sony is gobbling up other regions. Instead of securing the other regions they have, they're continuing a lost cause.

Very interesting indeed.

[sumfood4u]

Gotta wake up & smell the sunshince U know! All there is to it! final fantasy will rock! give S/E some time an look waht they do for Sony!

[Elginer]

pissed off dude.

[midgard229]

before ms joined up gaming consoles didnt have so much competition, before ms joined up everything was fair game generally. games used to be about fun, it used to be the creativeminds of developers to make something peole could enjoy (not a cash crop) games used to be art!

now that ms is here what do we have?? hmm a million shooters, hmmm paying for online? hmmm micro transactions? timed exclusives? games coming out on a system where no one plays those types of games? money is the devil and obviously its MS. paying 500 mill for downloadable content for GTA4 to justify which version is better? paying for exclusivity?

I dont care what anyone says, i wouldnt care if star ocean went multi plat (which we know its timed) but the thing is yeah square has jumped consoles before but they were japanese! and what do japanese gamers play? japanese rpgs! so it would make sense to shift between other consoles in the homeland. Not send jrpgs to an american console. things like this are stupid and gaming is going to go down the drain until MS dies, or gaming does.

Huge checks to pay for a game, proves MS doesnt have the confidence, its like MS has a small u know what but is paying lots of $ to sleep with someone while sony and nintendo dont need to pay, the people will go to them later.

w/e im annoyed....i regret gettin 360...spet least i can still play infinite undiscovery. and dont get me wrong, i like the games, i like gears, i luv halo, and lost oddesy. the companys that make this stuff are great, but its mr bills gates that is ruining it

[tudors]

but now I am glad that Sony cannot do the same to MS, at least the PS3 will survive, but it is not removing the Xbox-360 anytime soon so yeah I disagree with your perception of what is basically good competition, if MS did not turn up on the scene I doubt the PS3 online service would be any good at all, it took the dreamcast to start it and Xbox-live to revine it, so why exactly are you complaining?

[midgard229]

im not complainging whether or not online is good or not? yep ms refined it and its great now because of them. you seem to be only concerned with online and obviously your not looking at the big picture. its not about what the 360 can do, but its what they have done to ruin gaming. the only thing they did was bring online experience and perfect it. are u a fan of micro-transactions? having to pre-order lost oddesy to get all the quests? selling things that shud be unlockables like outfits for ninja gaiden 2? its dumb crap like that.

im complaining because japanese rpg lovers own a what? a japanese console, why because japanese developers develop for what? japanese consoles, somethings that boost the economy of what? japan. so why is square allowing star ocean 4 as timed exclusive on a console that will benifit only MS, not america, not us, and not them. on a console where only true gamers play japanese games, while the average joe thinks every rpg is TURN BASED. stupid move square. now u see why im complaining??? and yeah it sux dreamcast died. i wish they were here instead of MS, trust me

[Lets-Game]

I dont think its a smart move of square it might get them more cash right now but it will hurt them in the long run. There are many sony fans and they consider'ed' Square a loyal companion. So now it might be a shock to see this blow. Plus rpgs are selling best in japan and in japan M$ isnt doing so good, and in the county it self Sony is a big name so im 100% sure people will stay loyal with sony rather than go get american product and play those games.

But for me personally even thought I know its all business and money for them, I dont like what they are doing. I always had the warm feeling to Square like I do to Insomniac or Konami. they at least give you the feeling that they care about consumers more than about their own pockets but I guess there is high enough price for any company.

[kewlkat007]

Only on a site like this. You fanboys are ridiculous..Quite funny though.

This is nothing new, like PS360WII stated Plenty of Franchises Originated from Nintendo and now became big with the PS name but they were never a PS game, regardless how good they got.

In the End , everyone is in this to make money.

-Square wants Japanese user-base to grow because their games are more popular there - TRUE

-Square wants to broaden it's sales in the west - TRUE

While they wait for the "user-base" to grow in Japan and as well as the PS3 lag in the WEST, which leaves them with a very popular choice the "X360" with it's "user-base lead", ease of "programming/support, and "attach rate".

This why MS came out early if you wanna speak strategy. Since it wants to solidify it's "brand name", you gotta have some games from big Devs hit the console. Having a Good lead on the PS3 in the WEST will make DEVS think twice about shunning it. Besides MS having some CASH, which helps I suppose. It's all business.

You can also say it wasn't a SMART move when leaving Nintendo, then again, it's not like they are leaving any console, like they did with Nintendo. They are spreading the love..hehe While fanboys spead HATE and cry like little girls. You PS3 fanatics feel like Square owes you something. If/When a FF ever comes to the Xbox 360 there will be plenty of suicides.

[Swiftfox]

I fail to see Square's logic in trying to gain USA support through the Xbox 360.

Yes it is the larger installation base of the two consoles but it's not the numbers that I want to look at, it's the general consencis.

At the time of Devil May Cry 4 and Lost Odessey release, I recalled seeing artical after artical, from western based gamers, game critics, and game journalists, all expressing their beliefs that Japanese games were not evolving. That Japanese games were being surpassed by a faster passed Western Market, that the Japanese style of games and gameplay were unwanted in favor of Western Based RPG's and Action adventure titles.

After reading those articals, listening to the gamers, seeing the modest or dismall sales of JRPG's and Japanese Action Adventure titles on the Xbox 360, and seeing the exstreme popularity of Western RPG's such as Mass Effect. How can Square honestly conclude that the best way to reach Western audiances is through the Xbox 360?

[KingKirchner]

honestly, I'm PO'd too. I've always been a Sony supporter, Playstation was my first system, and I've loved it. I've loved my PS3 so far too, but I REALLY REALLY want some damn RPGs!!! And M$ keeps fing buying them! I'm this close to buying a 360 Arcade just to play Tales of Vesperia and a few of their other RPGs because it's getting so fing rediculus.

Sony better wow all of us big time at E3 next month. In the meantime, I'll be enjoying the best game ever, MGS4!!

Also, this news isn't making ANYONE happy! The Xbox fans, 90% of them don't give a flying $hit about JRPGs and actually thought the conference was disapointing. The Playstation fans are in an outrage because we've been dying for these types of games! NOBODY WINS WITH THIS SITUATION!!!!

[Mr Marbles]

that if you like these type of games you have not picked up a 360 already, the only problem with all this is silly brand loyalty that so many people have, it's about the games, and if one brands does not make the effort to get or keep the games I want then I'm going to the brand that does.

I agree with an earlier poster who said Sony spent it's money on bluray, and said screw gamers, so why do you guys think they deserve your loyalty?

[KingKirchner]

Well, the thing is Sony still has more games I want. Mainly MGS4 and FFXIII. Those 2 games alone are what I want more than anything on Xbox. Plus Ratchet and Clank and all of Naughty Dog's games are great bonuses.

Up to this point I've been able to convince myself to just wait for Final Fantasy. I'm sure It'll be worth it, but Tales of Vesperia is about to push me over the edge. I'm gonna wait six months though to see if they announce ToV for a US PS3 release. If they don't, I might just get a 360 to play a few games, but still mainly use my PS3.

[kewlkat007]

No need to keep iterating you love your PS3 and is so attached.

All we care about is your able to play the games that you wanna play on a console of your choice. If it means getting both console then now you have a broader choice.

PS your first console, your a young whipper snapper..I would like to interview you and see where this PS loyalty came from and why...I think you fall in that DEMOgraphic of todays PS fans that pray to the Sony gods.

[SkyGamer]

I like how the sony defenders are so quick to point out the faults of another company when sony is just as bad or worse! The infamous sony contract of "we'll pay for half of development costs but we get majority of the profits and you still have to pay us back for money we put in and sony gets to keep the IP." Also sony charges more for royalties for publishing on their system. You CAN NOT blame the developers to make a game that is:

1. Easier to develop for.
2. Cross PC platform so 2 for the price of 1.
3. Half less on royalties.
4. Japanese gamers all flock to the wii. Japanese market is only a SMALL fraction of sales.
5. Other companies are probably paying for a lot if not ALL of the development costs.
Even with blu-ray's victory the ps3 still isn't selling at monumentus growth.

Bottom line is that Square-Enix has always been the company to be on the winning side. NES, SNES, PS, PS2, DS, WII, X360. It's just in their nature. If you want JRPG's so badly on the ps3, then go out and buy one and don't use it as a blu-ray player and actually buy games for it. That will change SE's mind about who to support for.

[The Gaming priest]

First it was the getaway/8 days cancellation and now this?????

What the hell is Sony doing delays here there fing every where and lost exc here there and you guessed it fing every where.

You either have to be stupid or uber fanataical about Sony to not be fed off with this.

Whats gonna happen with ff13 now?

Im losing patience and for me Sony and my PS3 are on thin ice. Im gonna finish MGS4 and se what Sony have to show for E3 before i make any rash decisions.

But needless to say i don't like backing the wrong horse when my moneys involved so we will see what this year brings. When are lbp and white knight coming out? is it gonna be ths year?????????

[wangdiddy82]

Japan is the only hope for this game and it belongs on the ps3 or the Wii.. No one is going to buy this game in europe or america. Honestly who really cares about rpgs? I know there are some of you who do but its not a lot.. Mainly in japan which the 360 has no hope at all..

[FKN Unbelievable]

IS dripping with B!TCHASSNESS. This is a Real Sony Fanboy Rant to the fullest. Now that we've been NExt-Gen for 3 years now. You Dudes still don't understand
Money >Platform.

[ceedubya9]

Whining is pointless. This is why it doesn't pay to be loyal to any one console. If you can afford it, get them all, that way there is no excuse why you miss out.

All this talk about "loyalty" is stupid. THESE COMPANIES DON'T CARE ABOUT US. THEY CARE ABOUT GETTING PAID. They don't give a damn about what console fanboy X owns. No one should be upset at Square for this. No one should really even be upset at Sony. Its our choice as to which console/s we choose. We have to live with our choices.

He chose not to buy a 360. So he will either have to wait til Star Ocean comes to the PS3, miss out, or suck it up and buy a 360.

[digitaldreamkidcom]

Sony has lost the war if you ask me. I am a huge fan of Sony but like all other fans i am tired of sonys stupidity. They push things back have cancel games and dont deliver. If sony looses it wont be because of hardware or software because they do have good games. But because of there stupidity!!

[SYSTEMS-at-WAR]

Sony fan... doesn't sound like that at all. I love both consoles and both MS and Sony have made their share of mistakes. Think of it logically though, PS3 has sold more consoles ina shorter amount of time and will soon completely exceed XBOX, however their 'solid' game sare not out yet they are just coming. As for the XBOX there is the damn RROD
issue which has caused me problems (with an elite btw) and has cost MS a
lot in repairs but aside from that they have great games to back their console up and a pretty good line up for this upcoming year. Just a little food for thought.

[Voiceofreason]

It's just amazing how many are on this site complaining about something that has been the normal thing since gaming began. Sorry that Sony is no longer the market leader. Maybe they should have cared more about games then pushing a movie format through. Square has never been loyal or they would be with Nintendo still. Doesn't matter how you personally feel about when their franchises became actual hits(Usually amounts to when you got old enough to play them.Forgetting many had been playing them all along), Square will go where they can make the most money. I expect most of their franchises will be going to Wii,360 until the PS3 has a more appealing user base that actually supports the games. I have no pity for anyone foolish enough to have bought a PS3 thinking that everyone else in the world was going to go running after a 600.00 console or that developers would stick with Sony when they are down. They all ran to Sony when they were the market leader and they will slowly leave them now just like the did Nintendo.

[Big Jim]

I can't believe you call yourself "voice of reason". The PS3 is outselling the 360. The PS3 is $400. Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonata, Enchanted Arms, etc. have not sold well. Why are you acting like the 360 has won the console war?

[Voiceofreason]

I can see you are one of those fans that cant see reason. When did I say the 360 had won? I didnt, I just said Sony is in 3rd place. Also its nice that Sony outsold the 360 by a few hundred thousand for 3-4 months but its still got 6 million before it catches up to SECOND place. Maybe you dont understand but to be the number one console they need to not only outsell the 360 but the Wii as well. Say whatever you want about the console, recent reports show developers are taking it way more seriously then Sony fans seem to want them to.

[Lets-Game]

some people just dont have time to play every game on every console.
so thats why they pick 1 console they prefer. and that doesnt mean they are fanbooys but that they have a LIFE, family, friends,work they go OUTSIDE and do sports. Seems like smartasses here think every gamer must spend $ to buy everything and play games 24/7.
not uless you live in your momy's basement ffs. this is just getting annoying its like if you dont own both you are a fanboy or biased. well if you think so then CONGRATULATIONS you are the damn loser with no life having sex wih his console.

Sorry Im just getting pissed sometimes at idiots here.

oh and btw I have a ps3 and I bought xbox for my son cause he was begging for halo3. So you can say I have both but I dont even have enough time to play my ps3 games be cause I need to feed my family!

[rico the bigman]

This is another case of what Microsoft does best. Pay for exclusives. Its good to see that Japanese developers like Kojima have still been very loyal to sony.

[tojfs7931]

Now you will have to buy a 360 to play your games.

[tojfs7931]

I own both consoles. I dont have to worry about missing an exclusive franchise... unless its on the Wii and i could care a less about that.

[SYSTEMS-at-WAR]

I read the news as well and I can see why your disappointed... Star Ocean is an awesome series and was primarily a PS title, but that was back when Sony had pretty much no competitors in the gaming industry.
As for last Remnant, meh, the news doesn't bother me too much. It wouldn't surprise me if MS is cutting a few deals which many have speculated on but hey, that's the way the industry is going. I own both consoles and don't really care just as long as they come out but it does bother me a little to hear of SO being XBox exclusive.

PS... I doubt we'll see FF on the 360 but the 360 has Infinite Undiscovery coming which looks interesting.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Like a little whine with that sir?

[mcgrawgamer]

LOL; they do things to hurt the consumer? The only consumer msft is hurting are you ps3 fanboys. Made relevant by this blog, your comments, and comments from your fanboy brethren on other sites. I hate all fanboys; but you ps3 fanboys have got to be the biggest bunch of cry baby pu**y's I've ever come across in all my years of gaming. MSFT is doing the things to stay viable in the market and they are dirty? When sony was doing these same things to take away titles from nintendo were they dirty? When nintendo was trying to knock sega out of business by saying their games were too violent even going so far as to take the complaint to congress were they dirty? when sega started the mud slinging campaign against nintendo where they dirty? Every other successful console maker has done something to affect the competition in some shape form or fashion but as soon as the "big bad microsoft" do something it's a cardinal sin. This time last year SO4 was one of the most anticipated titles for ps3, now let you fanboys tell it; it's garbage. LOL. The lot of you are pathetic. Fact of the matter is this; most of you ignored the 360 cuz the original xbox lacked variety. Now that the xbox predecessor '360' is adding variety to it's stable that's a bad thing? No. The only bad things is msft is making it harder and harder for you fanboys to ignore the console; and that's what you hate the most.....

so do what you do best
complain on forums.
start petitions
band together on n4g
while gamers like myself will be enjoying games. regardless of platform, regardless of platform prefrence.

Oh, and another thing
you guys really give the 360 fanboys ammunition when they say " the ps3 has no games" when u guys are mad about SO4 a few hours before mgs4 is released.
It just adds fuel to the fire