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Submitted by Rashid Sayed 64d ago | news

PS4-Xbox One FPS/Resolution Debate: Better FPS Is Preferred, 99% of People Won't Spot The Difference

"Ever since the advent of PS4 and Xbox One, there has been a constant discussion not only among players but also the development community about frame rate and resolution." (PS4, Xbox One)

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XiSasukeUchiha  +   64d ago
Good, now we can laid this case to bed, and just return to playing games.
TheBurger29  +   64d ago
Always first!
Ezz2013  +   64d ago
he will always be first and we have to live with that

OT:
are we still doing this Debate?!

this developer think 99% of gamers don't notice the difference between 720p and 1080p ...i mean like for real ?!

also where was those developers/gamers who can't tell teh difference in GFX or FPS last gen
when xbox360 version of game get a little bit better grass/shadow and called the best version on consoles
while ps3 version get crap for it early years last gen

so it was sooo easy to spot a little bit sharper grass or a little bit better shadow last gen
but it's hard to notice Resolution/Framerate/textuers/ effects etc this gen ?!

too much flip flop going on this gen
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johndoe11211  +   64d ago | Well said
@Ezz2013

You know what the sad part is? I may be wrong about this obviously but last gen I never saw a single article on the internet, not one, saying that frame rates and resolution didn't matter. None. Every single article I saw was concerning this topic was basically asking why should you spend more money on a ps3 when you were getting better performance on the 360.

The internet was littered with articles like these from some of the very same journalists who are saying right now that resolution and frame rates don't matter. Devs also never said this. They made their games and allowed the community to run rampant with comparisons.

In fact you had devs joining the bandwagon in criticizing the ps3 and proclaiming its death. But now we've entered the twilight zone where these things no longer matter. Where resolution and frame rates are a figment of our imagination. Where amd and nvidia are telling us to spend hundreds of dollars to upgrade graphics cards even though our games will not look any noticeably different based on what these devs and the gaming media are saying.

Welcome, to the twilight zone.
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GameNameFame  +   64d ago | Well said
is that why people upgraded from 720P to 1080P tvs?

because no one could tell the difference?

No matter what few desperate Xbox fanboys say. The market already said clearly 1080P matters by buying the 1080P TV.
jebabcock  +   63d ago
95% of that 99% of people wont have 2 systems to allow them to spot the difference... So yeah you are right they won't spot the difference..

Edit:

On another side people will pay 3000 dollars for a sound system instead of a 300 dollar one when "most can't tell the difference"... The improvement however unimportant we want it to be, will always have a strong impact on sales when it is all said and done. That is just how consumers always are.

That being said, the game library a console offers has a larger impact and can definitely offset this. But I think MS is going to have to do a bit more than what they are doing now if they want to catch up in marketshare with Sony. It looks like instead of trying to take it to the next level, right now they are just trying to match what Sony has been doing.
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johndoe11211  +   63d ago
@GameNameFame

You're blind, you're not seeing the bigger picture. We've all been duped by the likes of samsung, lg, panasonic, sony, JVC and all the rest. For years they have been pushing us to upgrade our tv's, DVD's and bluray players knowing fully well that we could have gotten the same graphical quality of tranformers 3 on a 1990 27" tube tv.

And don't get me started on the money I spent on my GeForce GTX TITAN Black. I could have just left my original Geforce 7800 in and I would not have known the difference. We've been duped my friend. We've all been duped.

*Buries head in lap and sobs uncontrollably*
Boody-Bandit  +   63d ago
I have one question and one question only.
Where were all of these graphics didn't matter articles before this generation started?

I know they existed to a small degree being scattered throughout the last generation but it would be like looking for a needle in a haystack to find them compared to seeing them on a daily basis today.

This generation there are dozens of articles per week of game play over graphics, performance (frame rates, video tearing, etc) over resolution. There has even been a drop in game comparisons between the consoles. Last gen we were flooded with them. Not that I care, because I always thought this topic was stupid, but does lens of truth (remember how many called them lens of lies?) even exist anymore?

And "some" claim the media isn't slanted / bias. SMDH

The bottom line, and I mean the absolute bottom line, is when it comes to the consoles, the PS4, because of it's hardware advantages, is the best bet to offer the best of all worlds.

This whole "it doesn't matter until it does" is shameless hypocrisy and sites like gaming bolt use it for click bait.
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neoandrew  +   63d ago
Most tv series shows are 720p, but have you seen any game, even in 4K that looks better than real world footage in 720p? No you haven't.

People have 108p because it is cheap and blurays are 1080p.

For games vs real footage, real footage always wens even in 720p.
Dehnus  +   63d ago
@EZ

It is true though it doesn't matter that much unless you have a big TV. Framerate however does matter, and there the PS4 is also faster.

But if we can let go of this whole resolution nonsense and focus more in keeping games at 60fps, that would be swell.
InTheLab  +   63d ago
@ezz2013

Yeah I remember playing Red Dead on the PS3 when everyone made a big deal about 680p or something while the 360 ran it at 720p. Sites like G4 called the 360 version the definitive despite the extra content on PS3.

Now most gamers who so called can't tell the difference between full HD and HD blown up to fill a screen are tired of the resolution debate all of a sudden. The never ending debate stems from all the unreal engine games on 360 running better than the PS3.

So we are 8 months into this gen and now it doesn't matter? This nonsense should last another 6 years or until X1 is capable of full HD on a regular basis.
Lord Maim  +   63d ago
So far, the PS4 has an edge in both FPS and resolution. I'm not sure what the article's point was.
mixolydian_id  +   63d ago
Someone should really talk more about humans and visual perception.

FPS is definitely noticeable, halo to cod for example, one handles like a truck, the other a shopping trolley...

But why not locked 48fps? That's still double youtube encoding? (Which is being implemented thanks to the creation of next gen consoles and streaming)

Resolution is debatable... Yeah more pixels may make for slightly better quality, but I personally feel that the visual perceivable difference between 480 and 720 was bigger, then 720 and 1080

People need to get their head around that, just like overall CPU power, resolution and perceivable difference is is reaching a plataue.
lifeisgamesok  +   64d ago
We'd love to just play games instead of pixel counters jumping on every release

Xbox One hasn't had any 720 games since launch though Titanfall was 792

And it's true resolution only gives the most minimal difference in graphic fidelity

Especially when it's 720 to 900, or 900 to 1080
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Ballsack  +   64d ago
Fact of the matter is the xbox one hardware is struggling regardless of the now 'just play the game' bandwagon you xbox fanboys and bias media are now all jumpin on.. Where was this mentality last gen when Ps3 was scrutinized to hell for not having as much grass in a multiplat etc..this is much more embarrassing this gen this is one console pushing double the pixels of the other!!!

People have issues with paying out dollar for an inferior product when for the same price you can get a product that has no trouble reaching higher resolutions due to the fact it is more powerful

And as much as you and some bias media try to downplay it there are clear differences between multiplat games

That's the issue.
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joab777  +   64d ago
Thats simply not true and it isnt about simple resolution. Its the big picture. Xbox became xbox b/c of their commitment to gamers, especially hardcore gamers. Now, at the beginning of a gen, they have inferior tech that will only become more obvious as time passes.

Play Assassins Creed on both systems and tell me if it isnt noticeable. Xbox broke my heart when they decides to do what they did. I can understand if they chose this route to supply gamers with a cheaper option to game...but they didnt.
pyramidshead  +   64d ago
I often wonder if you're still trying to convince yourself when you type something like this out , especially when the facts stare you in the face.
imt558  +   63d ago
@lifeisgamesok

Quote:

Xbox One hasn't had any 720 games since launch

IS THIS A FUC**** JOKE?

What about BF4, COD - Ghosts, KI, DR3 etc...

@KWNS

Quote :
Thankfully for xb1 it seems to be just a problem at launch. XB1 hasn't had a game at 720p since Titanfall.

Yes it does. MGS V: GZ came after Titanfall
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Toman85  +   63d ago
*Edit* Double reply" *Sorry ID 1337*
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Toman85  +   63d ago
Dead Rising 3, Killer Instinct, Metal Gear Solid V GZ, BF4 says hello.

You are delusional as always, creating lies all over news 4 gamers.

Im glad I don't need a trip to Specsavers since I got this trifecta with a PC for this generation, and yes the difference is visible.
neoandrew  +   63d ago
Most tv series shows are 720p, but have you seen any game, even in 4K that looks better than real world footage in 720p? No you haven't.

People have 1080p because it is cheap and blurays are 1080p.

For games vs real footage, real footage always wens even in 720p.
kenshiro100  +   63d ago
Now pixels don't matter?
You guys clack me up.
SilentNegotiator  +   63d ago
A 50% pixel count increase (900p to 1080p) is not "minimal" no matter how many times you tell yourself it is. We're talking about an additional ~600,000 pixels.
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DarXyde  +   63d ago
Wait, how does this make any sense:

"And it's true resolution only gives the most minimal difference in graphic fidelity

Especially when it's 720 to 900, or 900 to 1080"

I'm not saying I can see much difference between resolutions, but how does 720p compare to 900p and 900p compare to 1080p? Your argument is basically "b" is comparable to "d", "d" is comparable to "cl", therefore "b" is comparable to "cl".
xboxftw  +   64d ago
@xi you haven't played a game in 200+ days since you joined n4g.
warlordianx2  +   64d ago
Stop Spamming Shannaro Jutsu that's why you always first, anyways for me a good FPS and resolution always matter, I paid for that
Dontworrybhappy  +   64d ago
I just found out Destiny is 30 fps on next gen consoles to have parity with last gen... the hell?!
kevnb  +   63d ago
they are full of shit
ricochetmg  +   63d ago
If it matter last Gen then why not this one ? Is it because it's the xbox? Media payoffs...
nosferatuzodd  +   63d ago
this is the thing that grind my gears last gen these same people, yes the same people was saying oh why pay more for ps3 when Xbox perform better than ps3 now all of a sudden resolution doesn't matter lol please the hypocrisy of Microshaft and their spokes man writing all these crappy articles trying to convince people graphics and resolution doesn't matter.

Stop trying to con people you conn man just accept it the ps4 is much more capable console this time around than xbox1 microshaft shafted everyone by short changing the system for tv and kinect and now they are trying to justify their errors by trying to convince everyone graphics and resolution doesn't matter..
TheBurger29  +   64d ago
True but lets say you have someone who doesn't know anything about resolution. When they walk into the store and ask what the difference is and they say that one runs better than the other they will go with the better machine.
HacSawJimThugin  +   63d ago
Put that same customer in front of both systems and he won't be able to spot the difference as easily as an arm chair dev. While said customer is watching both in motion he/she will want to know about the difference in features and games and then a decision will be made on which to buy. Personal preferences matter way more than the opinion of someone else. I think the FPS/Res thing matters most the type of people that post on forums and such. Everyone person in the entire history of N4G knows more about gaming than the general public, we are the minority; albeit the vocal minority, we are that.
pompous  +   63d ago
Sorry hacsaw that is simple not true and you obviously never worked in retail in the electronics department because people would come in and the could EASILY tell the difference between two tv's displaying the same content on which has a better picture. So if consumers can notice that, and they are the same resolution, then of course they'd be able to tell the difference in resolution. You are also forgetting that consumers are FAR more informed now-a-days then they have ever been since almost every buyer has the internet and they do research before they buy. Different times we live in now and you are severely underestimating the general public as you can see proof as we speak with the sales difference in the 2 consoles.
Ashlen  +   64d ago
99% of all statistics are made up.
jebabcock  +   63d ago
Agreed! and when they aren't made up they usually were calculated properly to begin with..
GribbleGrunger  +   64d ago
I'd love to know how many people agree with this but STILL have a 1080p TV at home ...
Ezz2013  +   64d ago
but you can't tell teh difference between HDTV and SubHDTV
believe me on this
i don't lie

uhhh, what's wrong with my nose
http://s2.hubimg.com/u/7608...
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Volkama  +   64d ago
And I'd love to know how many people with 1080p screens are aware that the huge majority of broadcast content available is 720p or 1080i. That would have more relevence to the discussion.

Let's not be forgetting that when there was a huge push for HDTV and Blu-Ray they were advertised to the mainstream by showing things like explosions, shattering glass, and humming birds in slow motion. On their standard def TVs. That's the level of understanding a lot of people have on this topic.
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Muadiib  +   64d ago
That's because they have built in upscalers as do most consoles and other devices, most dvd's upscaled to 1080p look barely worse than native 1080p movies, the difference is negligible at best.

With tv 25fps is enough, but with games we need 60 fps or more for most genres to have a smooth and responsive experience, the difference between 30 and 60 is enormous. Evert game except for turn based games on next-gen should be 60fps or more.

The fact most developers are compromising fps for a higher res is laughable at best and sinister at worst, it makes for better headlines and is just a box they can tick.
LAWSON72  +   63d ago
I have a 32 in 720p TV, however I do also game on a 22in 1080p monitor on PC, despite it being quite good for what it is I just need a bigger screen so as soon as I get the money 46in+ TV here I come.
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kurruptor  +   64d ago
Well I'm glad this 1 opinion puts the debate to rest. I'm gonna go back to my 480p 65" big screen since resolution doesn't matter.
thehobbyist  +   63d ago
Good god. I cringe when I think about how much that must weigh.
neoandrew  +   63d ago
The bigger the screen, the closer you are, then more it matters, but you can't spot the difference between 720p and 1080p on for example a 50 inch tv when you are more than 4 meters for it.

Of course i doesn't mean that there won't be any difference, but it will not be due to lower resolution, in theory it shouldn't have any differences.

Weaker hardware needs more power to render the same objects in the same quality, so if you make them render in the same quality but in 720p (thus making it possible) and playing more than 4 meter from you 50 inch tv you should not spot any difference comparing to the same render quality bu tin 1080p.

But you will see it if closer than 4 meters.

It all depends on viewing distance, resolution, tv size

http://carltonbale.com/1080...

http://www.avsforum.com/for...

And one more thing, most tv series shows are 720p, but have you seen any game, even in 4K that looks better than real world footage in 720p?
The_devils_chum  +   64d ago
What a bunch of horse shit if anyone of the developers went home and started to play their game of choice and it was 720p they would instantly say WTF. I remember the E3 when they new consoles were announced they asked the masses of gamers what they looked forward to the most? And nearly everyone said they couldnt wait to see the enhanced graphical capability of the new systems. Now were in the thick of it in the new console wars and the mega huge corporation is throwing wallet to propagandize us into think resolution and graphics arent important just because there getting destroyed.
Erudito87  +   64d ago
Well if a console can do both and cost gamers less that's just gravy. Ps4 ftw.
snookiegamer  +   63d ago
It is kinda silly though...I mean, gamers focused on devopment issues and games in 720/1080p.

I'm sure Xbox One owners are happy or why did they buy the thing?

I'm happy with the games I play on my PS4. Be it Watchdogs@900p or Infamous SS@1080p. Although I admit, when I tested Destiny on another (an old Samsung 720p/1080i) TV, the jaggies were really easy to see.
Goku781  +   64d ago
Thats fine if true, you want less resolution, play Xbox One, you want true 1080p to get the most out of a 1080p TV PS4 is the best way to go.
PowerPlayaaa  +   64d ago
Sorry for the disagree, i was ment to press the agree Button :-)
My bad.
JBSleek  +   64d ago
If you want the most out of it you would honestly get a PC. Just saying...
Utalkin2me  +   64d ago
I was wondering how long it was gonna take for some to say that. What resolution would i be able to play the destiny beta in on the PC?
JBSleek  +   63d ago
"I was wondering how long it was gonna take for some to say that. What resolution would i be able to play the destiny beta in on the PC?"

The same resolution I'll be play Star Citizen on my PS4.

I don't understand why you took the argument to games when it was strictly about resolution and framerate.

Also bringing up exclusives is odd because PC has those too.
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Spotie  +   63d ago
I don't understand why you brought up PC when the debate is obviously about consoles.

Also, the statement- that 99% of people can't tell the difference- is a lie. It's the sort of BS that Xbox fans cling to- the sort of thing you promote regularly. And, like many others, when there's no way the Xbox can win, you resort to promoting PC.

Pretty sad.
sinspirit  +   63d ago
That is not the point here.

It is comparing both consoles that used to be different prices, and the more expensive one had weaker hardware. Which is a completely understandable complaint because of the higher price tag.

This isn't about if you want to get the most graphics just build a high end PC. That's like saying to someone that is trying to chose between two cars to just go ahead and get a jet. It's not because he wants more speed, it's because cars are cheaper and while he's debating what car to get in his price range obviously he/she is going to look at what his options are and compare them.

I don't see any PC builds that are equal performance or with as high quality of components as a PS4 for $400.
MysticStrummer  +   63d ago
"I don't understand why you brought up PC when the debate is obviously about consoles."

Because there's always one, and many times it seems to be this guy.

OT - I'm happy to be in that 1% with superior vision. I guess more people need to eat their vegetables.

Claiming that the larger differences now matter less than the smaller differences last gen is utterly ridiculous.
RIP_Cell  +   63d ago
@Utalkin2me Destiny is coming to PC though, rumor is March 15th. I'm fine waiting for the definitive version

and where can I play BF4 and Watch DOgs in 1080p? only on PC, or is 1080p not important in that case lol
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EXVirtual  +   63d ago
Quit shoehorning the PC in CONSOLE debates.
JBSleek  +   63d ago
PS4 owners claim they care about resolution and framerate so much so I say that if that truly meant so much to you, you would own a PC.

Not really debating the argument either. Don't claim that you care about those things and when I say well why don't you have a gaming PC you dismiss it.
sinspirit  +   63d ago
When they have two choices, XBox One or PS4 at $400, and are interested in those CONSOLES and what they offer in content, games, and features, another huge aspect is how does one perform against the other in actual gaming. This isn't a debate about trying to get the highest framerate and graphical quality you can. If it was then there is PC for that. It is a debate about two consoles at a lower pricepoint than a decent gaming PC and how they compare to each other.

Stop the ignorant comments. Everyone knows that PC's exist and they are more powerful if you get the right parts. No one is trying to say that they are trying to get the most graphical fidelity and highest framerate they can, period. They are talking about in terms of their options for $400 and consoles that when compared the PS4 is a better option for gaming performance, and it definitely outperforms even a $500 PC.
Outside_ofthe_Box  +   63d ago
***" Don't claim that you care about those things and when I say well why don't you have a gaming PC you dismiss it."***

What if you only want consoles? You shouldn't *"care"* which console has the higher output of resolution & FPS just because the PC isn't in the conversation?
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RIP_Cell  +   63d ago
3 of the best selling PS4 games are not even in 1080p, BF4, Watch Dogs, UFC, I say most people that have played these games don't even know they are not 1080p
InTheLab  +   63d ago
Yes and ALL of the best selling Xbox 1 games are 720p. I fail to see your point here.
DeadRabbits  +   64d ago
99% of xbone owners may choose to not see the difference!
LAWSON72  +   63d ago
Or they simply just don't care.

I am playing Destiny beta on PS3 and despite how blurry it is I am having just as much fun as I would be on PS4. You know what would make it more fun, 60 fps which no version has. From now on I want it to be a standard in competitive shooters.
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azricf  +   64d ago
99%? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL i like how he pulled that number out his ass.
JackVagina  +   64d ago
99% is BS, i say around 75% is more accurate
MysticStrummer  +   63d ago
It's meaningless to throw out that one number and leave it at that. Some people will have better vision but smaller TVs. Others will have worse vision but larger TVs.
Hyper_Tension140  +   63d ago
More like 99% delusional xbone fans.

The funny thing is that it was extremely hard to spot the difference between the ps3 and 360 and yet a lot of people(xbox fanboys)saw the difference and now us PlayStation fans are supposed to believe you?
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Volkama  +   63d ago
I notice a lot of people cling to comparisons if the previous consoles as their excuse for bickering and childish comments today.

I never got involved in comparison articles last gen, but in all honesty I always found it way easier to tell the difference on the last gen consoles. The ps3 couldn't upscale, which made a pretty big difference to image quality on the TVs I used both consoles on. Did not require anyone counting grass or studying textures to pick up on that.
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InTheLab  +   63d ago
Volkama

The ps3 could upscale to 1080p. GTA, CoD, most exclusives. Why should anyone take you serious?
XStation  +   63d ago
It's a difference between fans and fanboys, get it straight.
thehobbyist  +   63d ago
99% with no regard to who was the sample taken from. Bet they must be younger than thirteen because anyone above thirteen WILL see the difference. Anyone can post a percentage. But I need to know who the demographic/sample of your survey was taken from to even think it's accurate.
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Volkama  +   63d ago
Do people suddenly become more sensitive to pixel counts when their balls drop?

It is not a literal percentage, and not the result of any survey. Just a passing comment from a dev.
n4rc  +   64d ago
Sigh.. For the millionth time

1080p vs 720p is a recycled argument from years ago.. It referred to actual physical pixels in your TV..

We are now talking native resolution of the source media.. Totally different.

And its 900p upscaled to 1080p vs native 1080p..

Counting pixels is pointless.. We all have the same.. If a pixel is supposed to be black natively and the scaler predicts its black.. What's the difference? There is none.

Yes.. A native 1080p image will be more precise and accurate then a upscaled one.. But as time goes on, the actual difference is negligible..
KNWS  +   64d ago
Console gamers are idiots simple. Resolution just makes an image clearer and sharper. Its not that big of a deal when consoles can upscale to 1080p if we didn't have that option 720p games would be an issue, for me on a next gen console.

Thankfully for xb1 it seems to be just a problem at launch. XB1 hasn't had a game at 720p since Titanfall. And it doesn't look like 720p is the norm from now on.

The standard should be be 60 frames for shooters. I'm disappointed 30 frames seems to be the norm, not next gen at all for consoles.
skoorydook  +   63d ago
Oh shut up and stop calling people idiots you jumped up bell end, if there is know obvious difference between 720p & 1080p then please answer this simple question.

Why do devs spend time & effort trying to get games at 1080p if 720p is just as good, why not just stop at 720p and spend their time optimising everything else ?

I bet they would all love your genius insight as to why they are wasting their time.
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sinspirit  +   63d ago
Upscaling doesn't make it anywhere near the quality of the resolution it upscales to. All upscaling does is make sure that the image is properly scales, it still doesn't add any more visual information or clarity of the image. It is noticeably worse.

Go ahead and upscale 480p to 1080p. Apparently you think the difference is negligible. The blockiness and blurriness will still be there, no matter what upscaler or filter tries to scale it.
InTheLab  +   63d ago
A lot of these people honestly don't understand what up scaling is. They think it magically makes a sub HD picture HD when all it does is blow up a sub HD image to fill an HDTV.

<=====720p=========>
<====================1080p ==============>

<------------------------- --------720p upscaled---------------->
Still the same low quality image blown up to fill a screen. That's as simple as I can make it. There's the difference. If people can see a difference for something this simple, there is no hope for humanity.

Edit: well auto fill sucks for illustrations. Lol
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KNWS  +   64d ago
A 1080p native resolution is of course better, but the options on console are so limited it rarely matters. Upscaling gets you a better image anyway and its fairly close to the native one.

XB1 has only a 720p and 1080p setting. You're not dealing with a PC here you've got dozens of options to choose from. Resolution is more important for PC users.

Frame rate is a bigger deal for consoles. 900p and 60 frames would have been better for Destiny. The resolution nonsense has got out of hand because console gamers don't know any matter.
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GamersHeaven  +   63d ago
Frame rate and resolution is bigger deal for XboxOne users since all their games suffer from inferior resolution and bad frame rate (Ryse great example).Good thing majority us chose a PS4 this generation don't know what your excuse is.
sinspirit  +   63d ago
What? "Upscaling gets you a better image anyway and its fairly close to the native one.".

They don't upscale resolution because it supposedly looks like the resolution it's upscaled to. It's because some TV's have scaling issues.

When comparing 720p to 1080p, and 720p is upscaled, it is still like comparing raw 720p to 1080p. No filter can mask the loss of picture quality.

Apparently you know something about upscaling that developers, graphic artists, 3D designers, engineers, and the movie industry do not know.

It's like if I take a MP3 and port it to a WAV file, it will sound exactly like the MP3 because the MP3 is of lesser quality than the WAV. If I port from WAV to MP3 quality is actually lost because WAV has more information. Of course you can try to put the MP3 through a program to fill in some of the worser areas but it will never be as good or close to the WAV. Of course, audio is harder to differentiate, but it is a pretty obvious difference for anyone with a good output device and proper headphones. Visual information is a lot easier to differentiate. The resolution debate is not an argument. It is highly noticeable. Anyone that doesn't notice it literally needs to get their eyes checked, pay attention to what you're looking at, or stop lying to yourself.
MysticStrummer  +   63d ago
"Upscaling gets you a better image anyway"

Wrong.
Oner  +   63d ago
@KNWS ~ "Upscaling gets you a better image anyway and its fairly close to the native one"

Yeah. You keep telling yourself that ~

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

http://www.extremetech.com/...

http://n4g.com/news/1457502...

Now granted MS did end up removing the scaler/sharpener recently or what I call their version of the old "Vaseline Filter" (but let me guess you don't remember that from last gen conveniently right?)... Whatever, back to the topic at hand ~ So while the removal of the scaler has helped a little bit in clearing/cleaning up the image (if that), that still does not mean it's a "better image" than native...but you know that (you just won't admit it to yourself because of your bias).
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Muzikguy  +   64d ago
I love reading things that say "99% of people" blah blah blah. I must be that 1% then. And come to think of it, according to articles like these I'm always the 1% guy. No wonder I'm so lost and confused....
patrik23  +   64d ago
Diablo 3 running at 900p on Xbox One; PS4 version locked at 1080p

Confirmed: Watch Dogs PS4 900p, Xbox One 792p, both 30fps

Trials Fusion: PS4 runs at 1080p, Xbox One at 900p

Metal Gear Solid 5 runs at 1080p on PS4, limited to 720p on Xbox One

Plants Vs Zombies: Garden Warfare Is 900p, 60fps On Xbox One

Plants vs. Zombies: Garden Warfare at 1080p 60fps confirmed for PS4 in August
HacSawJimThugin  +   63d ago
And I'd still choose Xb1 because of the controller and overall experience over PS4.
Destiny1080  +   64d ago
99% of xbox fanboys cant tell the difference between 1080p and lower resolutions, no wonder there getting crap ports and crappy hardware they literally cant tell the difference
Hyper_Tension140  +   63d ago
@Destiny1080

LOL, good one!!!xD
Dothraki  +   63d ago
No one ever mentions xbox one's kinect is 1080 whilst sonys camera isn't. Also, xbox one owners should put on Forza 5, and mid game switch 720 and back and your see a huge difference. That's if you have a decent tv too.
mhunterjr  +   63d ago
The the only way I'd spot the difference between 1080p and 900p or 900p and 720p is if I was playing both versions side by side...which... I never do (who does?)

But fps is something I notice immediately! Living down the frame rate is the most important by far.
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Hyper_Tension140  +   63d ago
@mhunterjr

But ps4 has both better resolution and framerate compared to most xbone versions, so go that unless you have a very good pc.
DarXyde  +   63d ago
I can't speak for everyone (and I wouldn't want to), but I've always found frame rate more important than resolution. The hypocrisy from Microsoft and Sony's fan[boy/girl]bases are a riot. First, PS3 games were a joke because they didn't upscale. Now it doesn't matter for XBOX One. For PS3 gamers, it didn't matter. Now it does with PS4. If all of this really matters, buy a PC. Seriously. Then, you will only have poor optimizations by the developer to blame for anything less than great. If you really care about 4k, go buy a 4k monitor. If you really care about frame rate, invest in a powerful rig. Other than that, just buy a PS4 or Wii U for exclusives since pretty much all of the big Microsoft exclusives come out for Windows.

In my experience, I honestly can't tell if something is 1080p, but I can see 60fps, so frame rate matters more to me. Even then, 30fps honestly doesn't bother me, but if it's there, sure why not?

I will say though: Ground Zeroes felt less cinematic because of the artificiality of the increased frame rate.

Not at all game breaking, experience or otherwise.

If it takes advantage of the hardware, by all means, make it happen. All I mean to say is if it's at least a stable 30fps and at least HD, I won't be complaining. Heck, Wii had some of my favorite games last generation, and it was sub-HD. I'm not a PC gamer, so I'm not particular about frame rate and resolution. I'm an old man who plays and judges games not by the deep color of their HDMI, their rate of motion, or the resolution of their textures, but by the content of their discs (or download).
thehobbyist  +   63d ago
If I were to ever have to choose between framerate and resolution I'd take framerate everytime. Does M$ honestly think Sunset Overdrive will play well at 30fps? Drop the 1080p and give it 60fps because that game will suffer if it's framerate stays at 30fps.
Majin-vegeta  +   63d ago
Actually SO is 900@30

http://www.cinemablend.com/...
EverydayGuy  +   63d ago
It always better to play at native resolution. Most PC gamers out there will tell you why higher resolution is better. Higher resolution means more detailed picture, less AA.
hollabox  +   63d ago
1080P Vs 720P! There's a difference but its less noticeable depending on the size of your TV and the quality of its scaler. 900P VS 1080P! Very hard to spot the difference, even on computer monitors for foreground objects. Distance background objects is the only thing seem to suffer when comparing 900P vs 1080P, usually appearing slightly more jagged, or not as sharp. Frame rates is the most important to me, I like my games smooth.
corroios  +   63d ago
I just want to see what happend IF some game runs at 1080p on the Xbox One and 900p on the PS4!!!!

It will be the end of the gamingworld.

People need to move on. The PS4 is more powerfull and does everything better in terms games. Better rez, better frame rates, better AA, better textures. Is just better

The PS4 is a gaming console, it was design to be a gaming console. It was built with info from the studios. Its much easier to work then the rival..

The Xbox One was built as setup box with Kinect 2.0. that you can play games. Spec wise, loses in every department. They were force to overclock at the last moment...

Microsoft were totaly caugth of guard by the PS4 Specs, that i thing are nothing out of this world. But, Sony did spend more money with the Memory Setup and GPU...
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Donjune  +   63d ago
I am an older gamer and to be honest you CHILDREN take the joy out of playing video games! It's really not this serious. Go have fun on your system of choice and play hard!!
quenomamen  +   63d ago
Thanks Gramps, hows your hip btw ?
HacSawJimThugin  +   63d ago
Art style and a steady frame rate matters more than the res...to me.
uth11  +   63d ago
I do believe the majority of people don't notice significant difference between 30 and 60fps and 720p and 1080p

As an experiment, I switched my PS4 into 720p mode and launched watchdogs. I was shocked that it looked the same. Ok, I figured the ps4 must have switched back to 1080p, so I checked the TV info. Nope! it was definitely getting a 720p signal. Ok, there were a few lines that looked a little more jaggy. The text on some signs looked slightly more blurry.

but once you were in motion, I really could not see much difference
quenomamen  +   63d ago
Probably same thing some bean counter at MS said back when they where planning the X1.
" let's just stick with cheaper RAM, hell 99% of people wont see the difference and we can squeeze another 3 buck profit out of it ! " Enjoy that profit battling it out for second place with Nintendo.
DirtyPimp  +   63d ago
Nonsense 1080o is distinguishable from 900p and 720p
heisenberguk  +   63d ago
I'd rather have paid the extra price for the consoles to be capable of 1080/60P AS STANDARD, not as a perk!!!!
windblowsagain  +   63d ago
XB1 has a POS GPU With Normal ram with a tiny amount of fastram with a Poor API.
iNFAMOUZ1  +   63d ago
uhhhh no better resolution is preferred, ive played various fps in 30fps and i always preferred resolution over the fps

30 fps is like a cinematic type of game

60 fps is too loose, feels reminds me of a game right away, i dont like that, that's for kids.
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Consoleslateagain  +   63d ago
This is seriously getting old. Can people just accept ps4 is the stronger console so we can turn the page and start asking for better games. All these next gen games that are coming out are brofest shooters only devs that are trying anything new is indies imagine if they had AAA budgets.
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