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No 1080p on Xbox One Due To Memory Bandwidth/ESRAM/RAM, No Definite To DX12 Resolution Benefit

"Resolution-gate has been one of the hottest topic of discussion of new generation consoles war, many developers have openly admitted that due to ESRAM, they were unable to lock their games in native 1080p resolution on Xbox One as compared to the Playstation 4, where almost all games run at 1080p. Recently, Stardock's CEO Brad Wardell spoke about why developers are unable to hit 1080p on Xbox One, benefits of DirectX 12 and a lot of more things."

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Geobros1138d ago

Bad news for xbox one owners....

The_Infected1138d ago (Edited 1138d ago )

Not really. As long as the games are great and fun to play it's not a big deal.

In reference to the article.

Forza 5 1080p/60
Halo 5 1080p/60
Halo: MCC 1080/60
Outlast 1080p/60
Diablo 3 1080p/60
Wolfenstein 1080p/60
Forza Horizon 2 1080p/30

They are games that aren't 1080p but don't say 1080p isn't possible on Xb1 because it is.

sam_job1138d ago

Call of Duty: Ghosts, Battlefield 4, Watch Dogs, even exclusive like Titanfall... and many more at lower resolution, some at 792p.. Upcoming games: PES 2015, Middle Earth Shadow Of Mordor, Battlefield: Hardline and many more confirmed to be running at 1080p on PS4 but developers still not sure about Xbox One

The_Infected1138d ago (Edited 1138d ago )

@sam_job

Was I comparing it to PS4? No. I said in reference to the article saying no 1080p on Xbox One was bull. I named plenty of 1080p games and more to come.

NextLevel1138d ago (Edited 1138d ago )

Xbox One exclusives
Dead Rising 3 720p @ 30fps
Forza Motorsport 5 1080p @ 60fps (Downgraded)
Killer Instinct 720p @ 60fps
Kinect Sports Rivals 1080p @ 30fps 
Ryse: Son of Rome 900p @ 30fps
Sunset Overdrive 900p @ 30fps
Halo 5 - The E3 trailer mentions 60FPS, not 1080p

Cross gen

NFS - Cross gen
FIFA - Cross gen
Halo CA - Mobile port
Dying Light - Cross gen
NBA - Cross gen
TombRaider - Cross gen
Rayman - Cross gen
Wolfenstein - Cross gen
Murdered Soul Suspect - Cross gen
Child of Light - Cross gen
The Lego Movie Videogame - Cross gen
Forza Horizon - Cross gen
Destiny - Cross gen
Alien Isolation - Cross gen
Titanfall - 792p 60FPS

Most of the cross gen games are 1080p. Aside from Forza 5 which was downgraded, Kinect Sports Rivals is the only Xbox One exclusive in 1080p. So yeah, the Xbox One does have 1080p problems, no matter how badly you don't want to think it doesn't. Most of those games have frame rate problems aswell.

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Xsilver1138d ago (Edited 1138d ago )

Forza 5 1080p/60 we all know how it achieved that :/.

Halo 5 1080p/60 can we wait til the game is close or to release before putting anything in stone.

Halo:MCC im just saying if a remastered collection isn't 1080p/60 then that's a problem tbh.

Diablo3 1080p/60 http://n4g.com/news/1544533... seems reaper of souls might not be.

Wolfenstein 1080p/60 awesome game but graphically doesn't look that demanding since the PS3/360 veriosn are very close to the Xone/PS4 version.

Outlast 1080p/60 i find this funny since xbox fans don't count indie games because apparently their so easy to make -_-.

Forza Horizon2 1080p/60 after what they did to forza 5 ill wait to see the retail version before final judgment.

but hey that's not my Business http://theshadesofsuccess.c... this Tea Tho

kurruptor1138d ago (Edited 1138d ago )

Diablo 3 is only 900p.
Racing games are easy to hit 1080p.
An indie title.
Wolfenstein isn't fully 1080p.

Why even release new systems if graphics don't matter. You wouldn't mind if games were still 480 or 640 resolution?

Volkama1138d ago

Diablo 3 is 900p on XBox One, and Wolfenstein has a variable resolution on both consoles (but dips lower on the One).

But it is a bit of a falacy that the ESRAM makes it hard to hit 1080p. It is the DDR3 that it is trying to compensate for that causes the problem.

At a recent techy event MS and AMD hosted Microsoft listed their 4 steps that are key to using ESRAM well, and also noted that pretty much nobody has got as far as using the 4th step yet. It was to do with asynchronsously moving data in and out of ESRAM. If it is true that nobody is doing this yet then there is potentially room for improvement, but really I haven't got the slightest idea how much it will help.

The other obvious way to up the resolution is to reduce the frame buffer, which can be achieved by using forward rendering rather than deferred rendering for lighting and shaders. But I am fairly sure Unreal Engine 4 only natively supports deferred rendering for lighting.

It will be interesting to see how the first wave of UE4 games perform across both consoles, since it looks like Epic's baby will be a very common choice as this gen matures.

DanzoSAMA1138d ago

and:
Destiny 1080p/30fps
FIFA 15 1080p/60fps
battlefield HL 1080/60fps

and many games targeting 1080p on Xbox ONE:

Assassins CU 1080p/60fps
Call of Duty AW 1080/1080p/60fps

PONTIAC08G8GT1138d ago

I know I buy games based on resolution. Gameplay is useless. If it's not pretty, it's garbage. When I am playing a game, like BF for instance, I generally stand in one place and stare at a wall, tree, rock, and think "wow, that doesn't look as good as if it was in 1080p" and then I get shot in the head because I'm not playing the game. Same thing in Titanfall, when stuff is blowing up all around me and it's hectic and frantic, I like to take a break to really get close to the enemies titan and look at the detail. I don't battle, I just look at it and think "wow, 1080p would make this game 100X better."

Get over it people, stop crapping your pants about which games are/aren't 1080p. If it's fun to play, that's what matters. Seeing the extra detail in a stick shouldn't determine which system you buy. Buy based on the games since that's why your purchasing a system.

Nekroo911138d ago

You dont know the resolution of Halo 5 or the fps. During the MS presentation the 1080p/60p statement was for the Halo Collection xbox and xbox 360 games.

Outlast doesent run at 60fps because it constratly drops

And Wolfenstein changes resolution

morganfell1138d ago

@The_Infected,

Why did you list Diablo 3 at 1080p on the X1 when it is 900p?

And have you had a change of heart about the importance of resolution? According to your post history it matters...a lot.

Remember your posts about Forza? God of War III? Do you really want me to start listing these? Apparently you went and bought an X1 this gen and now are singing a different song. Well, singing but out of tune.

pyramidshead1138d ago

No-one mentioned anything about whether the games would be fun to play or not. That's not the discussion at hand. Although it is a very popular line when certain users don't want to address the matter, or at least fully admit the Xbone's short comings in the hardware area.

Jumper091138d ago (Edited 1138d ago )

Diablo 3 is 900p on Xbone.
Halo 5 is not confirmed 1080p, only 60fps. So most likely 900p or lower.
Halo 2 Anniversary Campaign probably wont reach 1080p and that 1080p claim got deleted in silence on the official Site. So MCC stuff unconfirmed until its out.

Outlast is UE3, so lol
Wolfenstein drops Resolution a lot on Xbone.

@DanzoSAMA
Battlefield Hardline is not confirmed 1080p on Xbone and it wont be 1080p on Xbone. Closed Beta was 900p on PS4 and had a worse performance than BF4.

Destiny probably has less good looking stuff in the Xbone Version.

CoD AW is not targeting 1080p on Xbone, most likely will be 900p (E3 footage is 882p)

AssCreed unity wont be 1080p AND 60fps, not on Xbone. Dont believe in Ubisoft claims.

ramiuk11138d ago

it matters to me.
im playing on a 106" screen and ps4 games look amazing in 1080p native but when bro-inlaw poped round with xbone titanfall was a mess,graphics was horrible and hurt the eyes.
ryse looked decent but had better textures.

but at end of day as people have bigger tvs,resolution DOES matter alot

HighResHero1138d ago (Edited 1138d ago )

I agree The_infected and I'm not even sure I'll be buying one yet(Halo collection looks tempting though!).
Granted fanboys from both sides seem to need something to argue about, so why not argue about which console has the best or most fun games.
Arguing/focusing on technical perfection has done a lot to stifle creativity, while quality devs have shown that there can be a balance between the two. Devs should consider this before they end up like Crytek.

kayoss1138d ago (Edited 1138d ago )

Some of those games havent even been released yet.

TheWatercooler1138d ago

Microsoft claimed that Halo 5 will be 1080p /60fps at E3 2013. I expect that to be the next Microsoft lie.

RosweeSon1138d ago

But most of those are either launch games, or ports of old games wait until the new Next Gen games come xbox won't be able to do it, sorry new tomb raider and games like that are gonna struggle, I notice the tomb raider definitive edition wasn't in the list and if that port of a previous (admittedly amazing game) can't hit 1080p what hope is there of the new game achieving it and even if they do at what cost? Enjoy it all you like and yeah games aren't all about the graphics it's about the games hence why I'm more than happy to own a Wii U and 3DS both since launch as it's not all about the graphics hence why I waited til just before Christmas for a vita well worth the wait cheaper and loads of free games but back to the point it's about the games hence why not interested in xbox at the moment, games aren't up to scratch and the multiplatforms are being made better elsewhere, the whole idea of xbox1 and ps4 was it was meant to be the next step, Next gen not backwards, ps4 has been doing great just needs a few of those games now but xbox one, pffft I'll stick with the xbox 360 for now even that can do 1080p so why can't the revolutionary next iteration of the xbox consoles keep up? I don't know I don't really care I won't be buying one anytime soon, why would I? There still tinkering around with the price and what you get with the console, I'm sure there will be some new coloured xbox ones soon as we all know it's not about what the console can do it's all about what colour it is?!! But if they think that'll help them all the best to them, I'll get it once there's at least 3 games that are 9/10 and exclusive to the system, I'd struggle to think of more than 1 at the moment personally, maybe in a year or 2 sure but all the multiplatform games will be purchased on ps4 so Microsoft need some amazing exclusives to make me buy their console and it won't be all 4 halo' s on one disc, get Rare back to doing what they did best making good games not kinect crap.

bennissimo1138d ago

OP, all correct.

I own both consoles and happily bounce back and forth between them. Right now, it's a nix of Transistor and Titanfall.

The only thing that could make me happier is an expanded PS4 AAA library.

UltimateMaster1138d ago

I'll go on record and say the PS3 and Xbox 360 were also capable of 1080p. Devs decided to go another route, have better quality visuals over resolution.

ipach1138d ago

Diablo 3 is 900p: http://www.joystiq.com/2014...

Wolfy is fancy, but not always 1080p:
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
(fancy dynamic horizontal scaling utilized more aggressively on X1, though I think these technologies are brilliantly efficient)

NFS was 1080p, as was Tomb Raider. You're right that 1080p is possible. But unfortunately, it doesn't look like it comes easily or without some trade-offs. In the end, it may not matter (no one complained about COD being sub 720p all those years on 360 after all).

Mouseketool1138d ago

4 of those games havent released yet.

D-riders1138d ago

Some of these games aren't even SAS titles or even confirmed resolution or even launched yet. Wow Xbox fanboy will do anything to make the system look better. 1080p 6th was achieved last Gen for a racer. So wth

assdan1138d ago

Good job, you can name a few games that are in 1080p. It's attainable, you just have to sacrifice a lot more to do it. Also, there's some speculation that Halo 2's campaign won't be 1080p. On their website, as of a couple days ago, at least, no resolution is being offered. For microsoft, this is quite weird if the game is in 1080p. I say this because microsoft is shouting from the rooftops every time a game is 1080p and/or 60fps. Seriously watch e3, it's kind of hilarious. If a game isn't 60fps, they didn't mention the framerate. If a game isn't 1080p, they didn't mention the resolution. Which brings me to halo 5, which I don't believe will be 1080p either. At the e3 event, all they said was 60fps, which leads me to believe that they're hiding the resoluton. Also, I'm pretty sure the ps4 has a shorter list of games not in 1080p so...

FayZ_1138d ago

what is stardock and why should we care for his opinion when he has not made a good game & your list clearly discredits his statements.

ZodTheRipper1138d ago

It's a big deal no matter how you look at it. I've bought a Full HD TV 7 years ago and my PS3 already used the full resolution with Wipeout or Gran Turismo. Xbox One makes it look like it's hardly achieveable while even the WiiU can handle [email protected] easily (see Mario Kart 8, Bayonetta 2 or Smash Bros.)

Docknoss1138d ago

Lolz at the disagrees infected. This article is just nonses. It's too early in the game to say what it can't do

GodGinrai1138d ago

@nekroo

"You dont know the resolution of Halo 5 or the fps"

ey confirmed t last years E3, that halo 5 will run @60FPS...Try again.

Godmars2901138d ago

Why is that in a "discussion" concerning 1080p, sub-1080p titles are being brought up in defense?

FanboyKilla1137d ago

i think its embarrassing for a dev to blame a system for their own shortcomings. i mean why are others doing it then? shows your lack of talent, or laziness. finger pointing is for bitc*es and snitches. xbox 399. dont be that guy. its sad. l own wii u, xone, and ps4. im blessed thank god. my point is what in the hell can a article do for me? its someones opinion. my opinion trumps anything on n4g. my opinion is lmfao at playstation nation. you guys dont even seem to be talking about games these days. bla bla res bla bla fps bla bla bs. where your games at? do they suck? are they fun? will they ever be released? you know, the things that actually matter.

like i said before, i own a ps4. and you saying its the best isnt getting me off. i dont seem to care that the game is 1080p 60fps, i dont enjoy them. no matter how much i force feed myself. what good is a system capable of 1080p 60fps when there is no reason to turn it on. all it does is play games and any honest man who owns a ps4 will tell you its slim pickens. the best games on it you can play in other places. if im wrong help me. maybe there is a greatness awaits button on my ps4 i dont know about.

Automatic791137d ago

@infected don't forget Assassins creed, Destiny, Alien Isolation, TombRaider, NBA 2K15, Wolfenstein. Xbox One just starting to unlock potential. We not even out a full year. Lol

bicfitness1137d ago (Edited 1137d ago )

Only on N4G can you get a "well said" for posting something that is utterly, factually incorrect. As many have stated, 2 of those games are known to be sub-1080p, and Halo 5 isn't even out yet, so any speculation on its resolution is just that: speculation.

@ MichaelLito79. I hope you're doing satire. Or is this an Xbox fanboy-brain-swelling-thing? Where their reason centers are damaged by the love they feel for their plastic machines?

Wolfenstein and Tomb Raider both use variable resolutions and drop effects to hit *at times* 1080p. They are not native.

alexkoepp1137d ago

"I believe it's to do with memory bandwidth and not utilizing the ESram efficiently."

Efficiently. There you have it folks, more time and experience will yield better results. No mention of a bottleneck, just inefficiency seems to be the problem right now.

Even that aside, Xbox has the best games, best interface, and best online service. I'd be willing to sacrifice a few pixels here and there for those benefits. Best franchises alone is reason enough.