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Submitted by Abriael 16d ago | news

Mark Cerny Will Talk About PS4 at Develop Conference; Microsoft Will Explain the Power of The Cloud

Sony will host the develop conference opening keynote with Mark Cerny and Andrew House, while Microsoft will have a keynote and a panel about the power of the cloud. (Andrew House, Android, iPhone, Kavitha Mullapudi, Mark Cerny, PS4, Rob Fraser, Will Frost, Xbox One)

NextLevel  +   16d ago | Well said
Everytime I hear "Power Of The Cloud" I chuckle. Sony's coming to talk about their hardware and Microsoft is coming to talk about the secret sauce.

@Abrieal

I never even questioned that for a minute.
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Abriael  +   16d ago
Their own words. Not mine :D

@NextLevel: I know, it's just kinda strange to me that they use that catchphrase officially.
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NextLevel  +   16d ago | Well said
Really that surprising?

"Unleash Cloud Power"
http://news.xbox.com/2013/0...

"Microsoft: Cloud makes Xbox One four times more powerful"
http://www.develop-online.n...

"Microsoft Claims that Cloud Computing Can Provide Power of 3 Xbox Ones, 32 Xbox 360s"
http://www.dualshockers.com...

"Microsoft: Full power of Xbox One not yet realized"
http://www.gamespot.com/art...

"Microsoft: Xbox One's "infinite cloud power"
http://www.totalxbox.com/56...

"Microsoft’s Phil Spencer claims Xbox One is 3x, 8x and 10x the power of Xbox 360"
http://www.geek.com/games/m...
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Abriael  +   16d ago
Not surprising. Just strange.
bleedsoe9mm  +   16d ago
the rhetoric hasn't changed since spencer took over which says they still have confidence it has tangible gaming benefits in the near future or they would have changed course with the marketing language at least .
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fr0sty  +   16d ago
"Cloud Gaming is an overloaded term which is used to refer to an assortment of game distribution and monetization models. In this talk Microsoft will suggest that by thinking more in terms of the cloud and gaming, we can settle on a set of use cases for cloud computing technologies in gaming that embraces creating new or enhanced user experiences to the SHIFT to GAMES-AS-A-SERVICE. In doing so we see more clearly how cloud will become a NECESSARY part of EVERY game"

They just came out and admitted what I suspected all along... that this cloud hype is just a ploy to shove always-on internet connection requirements back into the Xbox One.
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alexkoepp  +   16d ago
"They just came out and admitted what I suspected all along... that this cloud hype is just a ploy to shove always-on internet connection requirements back into the Xbox One. "

I'm always online so if I have to have an always-on internet connection and it makes my games better, that sounds pretty f'n sweet. Sorry to all those 3rd world countries who don't have internet. Having a PS4/X1 without internet is like having a smartphone without a data plan, what is the point?
Prime157  +   16d ago
Hasn't Microsoft been pushing the cloud since Windows 7? "To the cloud"

Just an evolution of the marketing campaign...
andibandit  +   16d ago
@Frosty

It's just where software is headed in general, from being a product, to being a service, and it's not really confined to software.

Your theory about cloudgaming, is all wrong.
pyramidshead  +   16d ago
Standard ignorance from the Microsoft apologist that is alexkoepp.
fr0sty  +   15d ago
Games-as-a-service is definitely what the industry is evolving towards offering, as both this and PlayStation Now prove. However, only Microsoft so far have made it clear they intend on implementing this into being a required part of EVERY game in the quote I posted above. That is the main difference here.

Sony, Nintendo, and even PC games may require something like this one day, but so far nobody but MS have made any such intentions known. The others have remained committed to local gaming that doesn't require a connection.
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Kingthrash360  +   15d ago
The power of the cloud tho.
I thought lessons were learned when Phil said it won't have I huge impact on x1. I just can't wait to see the results of this So they can stop preaching the cloud bs. Even x1 strongest fanboys stopped mentioning the cloud...why ms is deciding to bring it back up is beyond me. Them sales of the new SKU probably haven't matched sales predictions so its time to talk the cloud to hype sales...maybe...I dunno. But one things for sure all the cloud talk needs to stop until EARTH has a better internet connection. The cloud relies too much on internet connection and today's connection is as unstable as the Lakers right now.
The_Hero  +   15d ago
And everytime Microsoft talks about cloud it turns into this debate.

So Phil says the Xbox One is 3 times more powerful than the Xbox 360. Then corrects himself by saying it's 8x, and around 10x "more powerful than the 360" with the cloud.

Did the Cloud got downgraded yet again?
From 8 to 10, that only makes it 25% more powerful.
corvusmd  +   16d ago | Well said
Just because you personally don't understand something doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

Whenever MS or anyone mentions cloud computing it's met with "show me" "prove it". MS has stated since the beginning that this technology will take time to reach it's full potential, but it is already making a difference (just not in graphical fidelity). The tech IS real, it does work, there is no doubting that at all (except by those that are not paying attention).

It amazes me that people will dismiss the idea of Cloud Computing adding graphical enhancements to non-immediate aspects of games, but completely accept that PS Now can seamlessly stream full games without any issues at all. They work differently, but both have the same weak links. Yet only one gets laughed at as a joke around here....despite the fact that is has a less immediate/crucial impact on the game.

Cloud computing will only add enhancements on-top of games that exist now with little to no resources required from the home system. Games will look and run like they do today, but with extra enhancements on top of the game...if the net goes out, you lose those enhancements. If the net goes out, you lose PS Now. Latency issues will effect non-immediate issues of cloud-compute enhanced games...latency will effect controls in PS Now games...yet cloud compute is the only of the two that gets laughed at.

Will cloud compute be a game changer? Who knows? I don't have a magic crystal ball, it looks promising. There is no reason at all to believe that it won't work...it hasn't failed at all yet and it shows promise. No one has lied about anything yet, MS has said several time that it's on the horizon and will take time to reach it's potential, anyone saying otherwise is lying to you. The only time "claim numbers" seem to change is when they are reported incorrectly (see Next-Level above has a "report about 4xs right above 3xs...and even IN the 4xs article it says 3xs). If we are willing to give PS Now a chance, Cloud Compute deserves a chance as well (it's already working beautifully in Forza and Titanfall). It could become a serious advantage to future gaming. It seems people shooting it down at this point are doing so more out of fear that it actually will succeed.

So laugh if you want, it's not actually a statement about Cloud Processing at all, it's a statement about you not understanding the situation.
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Eonjay  +   16d ago
"So laugh if you want..."

https://www.youtube.com/wat...
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extermin8or  +   16d ago
See can assure you I understand it PERFECTLY and I'm yet to see it work in the wild and do anything special. You are right PS Now controls will be affected by latency and I remember people questioning that at the announcement. It's in beta atm and people have SEEN it working in the wild over sometimes unpredictable LAN. The data transfer for controls also is tiny as such latency is going to effect it less than something with a larger data footprint like cloud compute. I don't doubt that the tech works in principal what I doubt is that it will be useable in the way it's been marketed due to developers having to consider the fact that large portions of their user base will likely not have the internet require for it to work or that their internet speeds and latency will fluctuate unpredictably and the game needs to still run. This is most people's concerns, either they cut those people out often due to no fault of their own (some people live just far enough from broadband cabinets that there is nothing that they can do short of moving house... and never will be able to). This is the issue either people will be cut out and just unable to play games they want to play or play a worse version of it or developers will be using smoke and mirrors via the cloud or not at all. This has been what the majority of gamers I've seen have been concerned about or therefore skeptical of MS's claims. And for all of the reasons above it's HIGHLY unlikely cloud will be doing anything todo with graphics in th foreseeable future if ever...
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one2thr  +   16d ago
Not disagreeing with you, but what if this "Power of the Cloud", method is some sort of MS ploy of activating the Xbox as cloud client, so that they can stream enhanced gamed off of high-end PC hardware, thus creating an illusion that cloud power has increased the systems performance and graphical capabilities?

-I cant possibly be the only person to think that
Volkama  +   16d ago
I agree with a lot of what you say, by not the stuff about cloud compute just adding layers into existing games. I do not think there will be many games that just lose enhancements when you are not connected.

It is possible to design that way, but makes far more sense to make a cloud enabled game require a connection to play. To design the core of the game with a connected/disconnected duality would be a nightmare, and would only limit what you can achieve.

There are enough connected gamers to sustain a game without caring about the offline minority. Connected gamers are far more lucrative anyway...
wlchrbandit  +   16d ago
I may not fully understand cloud computing, but someone like Mark Cerny surely does. Here's whet he has to say on the matter. http://uk.ign.com/videos/20...

"It’s possible to do computing in the Cloud, PlayStation 4 can do computing in the Cloud. We do something today: Matchmaking is done in the Cloud and it works very well. If we think about things that don’t work well… Trying to boost the quality of the graphics, that won’t work well in the Cloud."
blackout  +   16d ago
Awesome comment. This site needs more of you. This is what happens when you have a level head.
DigitalRaptor  +   16d ago
Corvus, you've got egg on your face, wipe it.

You were saying the other week that Xbox fans would be having the last laugh about DirectX12 and "the cloud", and then Phil Spencer came along and proved your drivel to be exactly what it is. You are only now tempering your comments about the cloud because of that. Your comment history is so inconsistent with what you actually believe about the cloud that I'm surprised that you don't have an actual split personality.

It's only time until the cloud tech is proven to be exactly what it is.... nothing like what MS or their staunch fanboys are promoting it to be.

So you can pretend that you are part of an elite group that thinks they understand what the cloud can do for the games on their favourite console, but the truth will prevail when insincere marketing exposes fanboys and company's desperate enough to use it.
snoop_rogg  +   16d ago
What does cloud computing do for Forza and Titanfall, AI?

I played Titanfall on all systems and the AI is the weakest AI I have every played against in my life, I felt as they were just target dummies at a shooting range.
GearsOfWar  +   16d ago
@DigitalRaptor

"So you can pretend that you are part of an elite group that thinks they understand what the cloud can do for the games on their favourite console"

Egg on his face? Rofl. How ironic.

"So you can pretend that you are part of an elite group that thinks they understand what the cloud can do for the games on their least favourite console"

^That's you. XD
Nine_Thousaaandd  +   16d ago
@corvusmd

On one side of the fence we have Microsoft explaining the "power of the cloud" and Sony on the other side explaining "GPU computing"...and everybody (AMD, Sony, game devs) is leaning towards GPU computing for the future of gaming, not cloud computing.

Both Microsoft and Sony want to push things like AI, hair physics, clothing, particle effects, collision, world simulation...you name it, to new heights! We're already seeing it in PS4, not so much from Xbox One...and inFAMOUS shows off the power of GPU computing in PS4 using huge amounts of particle effects, explosions, and other special effects not seen in other games.

Everything is leaning towards Sony and AMD on GPU compute. And if that Uncharted 4 unveil back at E3 is true, then GPU compute wins again!
The Order and Driveclub both are GPU compute heavy as well.

I'm just gonna say it, that Ryse may have been the highlight of Xbox One's graphics. I'm sure they will get better, but not much. And so far all I see is a Crackdown demo and possibly Quantum Break, which may take advantage of it with it's huge shattering effects and explosions. They talk about it so much, and all we've gotten so far is AI(Titanfall) and drivatars(Forza).

A lot of people have their doubts because they've shown nothing but AI and drivatars. And GPU computing is showing real world results.

Sucker Punch said it themselves that GPU compute is defined “Super awesome”...and it will lead this generation, I just don't see cloud computing taking off like Microsoft is claiming.
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zerog  +   16d ago
Cloud compute and ps now work completly different. With ps now the server is doing ALL the work and only the image is streamed to you and the controle imputs streamed to it. I have the beta and other then it taking a little longer to start up then what a game would on disc it works pretty smooth. Cloud compute on the other hand requires actual data for whatevers being computed weather its graphics, ai or texturing to be uploaded, computed then sent back and all that needs to be done in real time and sync up with what the console at home is doing. The only way cloud compute will make any differance is if they are only using it for very small amounts of data or for things like weather and lighting that isn't very time sensitve to the users experiance.
SINISTERGENESIS  +   16d ago
Sorry it won't let me reply on my comment but exactly how is my comment immature when I made a factual statement and gave my opinion which was not anything within the realm of trolling etc but yet you let people call people leech, or comments like you got egg on your face blah blah bla!? Either the mods are a few brain cells short of normalcy or one too many FANBOYS got butt hurt and have too much control over what is said on this site and are allowed to act like children and make everything into some fanboy BS for whatever moronic reason... Bottom line , goes to show you can't be a realist on n4g... Bet I get banned for telling the truth and people can't handle it, sad and pathetic really.
DougLord  +   16d ago
What will you do if Crackdown comes out and has a fully destructable city?
THC CELL  +   16d ago
Yes but you will have to always be connected to see that unless ms has a secret chip that beams satellite signals. Oh by the way people just something else not only u will be paying for a subscription to Xbox Live looks like u will be also paying for cloud compute to see the best of games enjoy renting gfx and physics unless cloud gaming is free
ThatOneRiggaNob  +   16d ago
lol he will find a way to downplay it just like he finds a way to downplay everything positive that's said about the Xbox One.
5eriously  +   16d ago
Buy an Xbox and Crackdown. But we all know it's good to dream. Also we all know that destruction in itself does not mean that you necessarily need processing power to do destruction as it can also be done brick by brick and a lot of time. So not much processing power is required unless it all happens in an instant with lots of particles flying. (wink)
MysticStrummer  +   16d ago
"What will you do if Crackdown comes out and has a fully destructable city?"

I'll assume PS4 can do the same, since the internal processing of both XB1 and PS4 is much faster than what even the fastest internet connection can deliver.

MS can't afford to lean on Cloud Compute very much, because only a small percentage of the market would get the full effect. The more they emphasize Cloud Compute this generation, the fewer consoles they'll sell.
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Volkama  +   16d ago
@thecell cloud compute for xbox games is covered by the cost of the good subscription. You would indeed need to be connected in order to use it though.

You have to be connected to play world of Warcraft too. And league of legends. And titanfall. There is no shortage of people that have a connection, and no reason to assume they all hate single player games or anything whacky like that...

I reckon MS will recommend for optimal crackdowning you need 4mb download, with 100ms latency to your nearest azure data centre.

I don't think it will quite match up to the tech demo though.
Flutterby  +   16d ago
What will you do if crackdown comes out and shows nothing that can't and hasn't already been done on other games? I can bet we will move on to the next thing.
marlinfan10  +   16d ago
@thc cell

"but you will have to always be connected"

okay? games are already starting to force online anyways so whats the difference? oh wait, you're reaching for any excuse you could think of, my bad. and where are you getting that we'll have to pay for the cloud support?youre literally the first person ive ever seen mention that.
sinspirit  +   16d ago
What if PS4 comes out with Crackdown and it has a fully destructible city?

Do you see the arguing power of this "what if" situation? The X1 cloud needs to be built up of good graphics cards to have even a few physics or lighting applications streamed to your console. But, it doesn't even have that.

The Azure cloud has no graphically oriented hardware whatsoever. It is made up of a bunch of standard server hardware, and there are many variations of specs so it's not ideal because 1. No graphics hardware capabilities. 2. The server has many different server set ups of different tiers of hardware. 3. Internet connections typically aren't going to be suited for 1:1 physics, and if they don't do 1:1 then it would be laggy and that won't do. Just listen to the PSNow feedback. It is far more established for heavy computing because the hardware consists of all around game systems. The Azure cloud being specifically variations of common CPU only servers means physics would require tons of servers for one console. When even just 30,000 users bought a cloud computed game that require a generous 3 servers for decent physics computing that makes 90,000, out of around 300,000 servers unavailable.

Now, with "Cloudgine" if this becomes a thing for Microsoft to use then they would have graphics oriented hardware, but that still isn't very feasible for almost anyones locations and internet connection. Even some people on PSNow have terrible experiences just because the servers are too far from them and it causes latency issues.
sinspirit  +   16d ago
@Volkama

Except WoW has a far smaller costing server, with a monthly $15 subscription, where it easily makes profit.

In order for there to be real results Microsoft needs newer servers that are made for graphics and physics and spread out over many locations. But, this costs a lot more because this isn't one MMO server. This is trying to dedicate resources to individual people on separate worlds, and you are talking about calculating physics/graphics for those individuals, not simply being online like a MMO world. This server hardware would cost millions. For any of these games that would come out with cloud features on this scale it would take years for the Live subscription to pay for it. Many many years, and by then the server hardware would be outdated to calculate any physics/graphics that would be good at the time.

Microsoft is just acting like a kid in a card game that gets a good card that everyone already has and he rubs it in to their faces. Dedicated servers have been done years and years ago. Their competition has featured it in many first party titles with far more player count than theirs. PC games have been doing it for forever and also let people host their own dedicated servers. Now they get it and try to say it's the future just because they bought it and want others to buy into it too. Now that they have been disproven and exposed for their PR hype campaign they are trying to tone it down and show closed door, perfect condition, and extremely limited demos to try and not look like fools.
Master-H  +   16d ago
I pull the Ethernet cable of a fellow xboner just to mess with him, then make a funny joke about cloud power lel.
ramiuk1  +   16d ago
it cant have it by power of cloud thoug hcan it.
not everyone hasgood internet,or interent at all.

they cant sell the game as having that if its dependant on a service someone else provides(virginmedia,comcast etc)

if your streaming a game and it crashes thats onething,but start the game and you limted because of loud or the game cant run without internet isnt acceptable.

some people i know struggle with 720p on youtube etc and have to buffer for ages so they cant use power of cloud.
Prime157  +   16d ago
@marlinfan10, "okay? games are already starting to force online anyways so whats the difference?"

The difference is FORCING single player games to connect TO BE ABLE to play AT ALL. Remember the SIM city debacle? That killed all nostalgia I had for the series.

Look, I believe in "the help of the cloud" FOR CERTAIN ASPECTS of gaming, but I still don't see it doing anything good for us as consumers.

Cloud for multiplayer = realistic, arguably good, and should have been their focus, but not "every Xbox will be 3x more powerful with the cloud" jargon.

There are acceptable forms of DRM, and the cloud is not one of them for single player on a console or personal computer.
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SpinalRemains138  +   16d ago
Haha me too.

Of all the absurd phrases, marketing gimmicks and slogans of fortune, "The Power of The Cloud" has to be up there with the most ludicrous ever.

It sounds like something from a kids movie like The NeverEnding Story.
- Or, how I describe my bulldog's gaseous emissions after he finds and eats human food.
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lfc_4eva  +   16d ago
Odd that. Every time I read one of your posts I chuckle. Funny stuff. ;-)
Dukemz  +   16d ago
Methinks Liverpool lacks bite upfront !
dmitrijs88  +   16d ago
so mystery behind cloud will be finally revealed and we will understand why X1 shows true next-gen capabilities? /s.
stuna1  +   16d ago
The thing is the destructable building supposedly in Crackdown, was shown on a PC during the demo! A mighty powerful PC at that. How people believe that level of destruction will transfer over to the Xbox1 to that degree baffles me! If that was the case, the demo would have been shown running on the Xbox1 to begin with. It's pretty obvious people don't understand what slight of hand is.
TheTwelve  +   16d ago
The "power of the cloud" makes me smirk.

When will we see this power?
blackout  +   16d ago
And every time i hear a game like DRIVECLUB with the power of the PS4 has no features i CHUCKLE as well. A whole year wait and that's what what you get. WOW those devs at Sony really know how to make a racing game don't they. Forza 5 will be a year old when this game comes out and it MURDERS it by a long shot. Have your visuals, ill take my gameplay. Enjoy those beautiful trees DRIVECLUB fans.
SniperControl  +   16d ago
I see you must be in a secret beta for Driveclub that nobody else has, because you seem to know alot about it to compare it to Forza 5.
DigitalRaptor  +   16d ago
Your comment above:

"Awesome comment. This site needs more of you. This is what happens when you have a level head."

Such level-headedness in that comment you just wrote. O_o

Luckily DRIVECLUB has both graphics and gameplay.

DRIVECLUB has the features and content expected from an arcade racer.

Forza 5 doesn't have what is expected from an established sim racer, and it charges you $50 more than full price to get the content that should've been in the game.

DRIVECLUB was upgraded from its early previews.

Forza 5 received a huge downgrade that people weren't even informed about until they bought the game.
pyramidshead  +   16d ago
Tell us all about that 'gameplay'?
spacecat5050  +   16d ago
The "power of the cell" was just as funny as you sony fanboys tried justify that as well.

You so called gamers should really be hoping that this cloud compute works. Imagine the amazing typw of games that can come out of this if successful.

imagine what sony and ND could do if they start to incorporate it in their games. But instead of hoping for the improvement of a gaming experience you all rather crap on it because its from a company you dont like.

childish.
SniperControl  +   16d ago
Because of the "power of Cell" we have amazing GOTY games such as the Uncharted series and The Last of Us.
Flutterby  +   16d ago
It probably will work in 2030 or something but at the mo it's got no chance.
Sm00thNinja  +   16d ago
Games like Uncharted and the Last of Us came out later in the PS3s life cycle. The Xbox One has been out for less than a year! Double standard much?
marlinfan10  +   16d ago
@sniper

lol you guys are about as hypocritical as it gets.
spacecat5050  +   16d ago
This is why I laugh so hard at most of the ps3 fanboys. Uncharted and TLoU had nothing to do with the cell. If you think those games could not be made on any other console you are sadly mistaken.

but please keep on trolling any and all xbox articles. It just goes to show how truly scared you all are of any real or true innovation that might occur if MS pulls this off.
ramiuk1  +   16d ago
look at the games that was multiplat.
compare those to games like

god of war
uncharted
gturismo
last of us
LBP
heavy rain
killzone

there is nothing on the xbox360 that comes close.
cell was a real pyhsical thing but the last gen was let down by other bottlenecks.
lfc_4eva  +   16d ago
And don't forget the power of the Emotion engine in the PS2. It was supposed to herald Toy Story like graphics on a home console. Its safe to say that was total BS.
pyramidshead  +   16d ago
Tell us all how you know for sure that cloud compute will 'improve the gaming experience'? Sounds to me like a nuisance to save face on weak hardware. I'm sure ND will come into the world of cloud computing when there's a fundamental need for it in general game design, which isn't now. Not to mention half an install base is said to be offline, despite the connected world we live in today, so they wouldn't even experience it. Hell maybe they're unable to from the get go?(bad lines and slow BB).
spacecat5050  +   15d ago
@ramiuk

tell me what did any of those games do different? What did the cell chip do to those games that anyone else couldn't have done. There has been many clones of all the games you listed. None of those games did anything special because of the cell.

@ pyramid
of course when ND comes in I am positive that the sony fanboys will celebrate the coming of a new god. Its just how it is with this site. MS has it, dont want to believe, sony is doing it, can't wait!
OsirisBlack  +   16d ago
They will more than likely show their version of a "Cloud" based gaming service along the lines of PS now. That is the only thing I can see actually working for the masses.
larrysdirtydrawss  +   16d ago
might as well replace that with the word voodoo

SniperControl + 1h ago

Because of the "power of Cell" we have amazing GOTY games such as the Uncharted series and The Last of Us.

cell is an actual real thing that's literally part of the hardware,not false hopes and dreams
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hkgamer  +   16d ago
wow equal agrees and disagrees. kinda rare to see that.

anyways, dev conferences is the only place ms can talk about this.

devs will want to hear about this and how they could implement it. its a new concept in a sense and just random things like drivatars are not the way to go.

i really do wish for this tech to be of good use and would be very very interesting to see what happens in 5 or so years.
I understand the hatred of the idea of the cloud, and real-life tests will be the only way to prove its usefullness, but why do you post something negative on every Xb1 article? We are all gamers and all have the same interest, and why do you feel the need to lessen people's choice console? Im certain its not to reinforce your purchase, as the ps4 is an amazing product. The only reason would be to voice your displeasure over ms and their policies. While i would agree with you, in fact, join in a year ago, the times have changed, The xb1 is as much apart of the gaming community as the ps4.
sAVAge_bEaST  +   16d ago
"monetization models" & "the shift to Games-as-a-Service"

-That's all I needed to know, thanks M$.-

We see where your future is headed.
Eonjay  +   16d ago
Mark Cerny! If I remember correctly, he said that in about two years we should begin to see better utilization of compute. I hope he talks more about its potential.
hkgamer  +   16d ago
i feel that in 3-4 years, we will see exclusive devs like naughty dog pretty much push the console to its limits.
EverydayGuy  +   16d ago
I you look at what Naughty Dog is doing with Uncharted, I feel he maybe right. Uncharted is pushing 1080P at 60FPS which is outstanding as most game can only achieve 30FPS while looking worse.
Artista  +   16d ago
Another article to make jest of Microsoft ..shocking :)
Abriael  +   16d ago
I am very, very interested to know where the article would "make jest" of Microsoft.
Eonjay  +   16d ago
Because dualshockers is directly responsible for Microsoft rhetoric. Duh /s
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Flutterby  +   16d ago
If you arent balls deep on MS you have to be a hater or fanboy apparently, not believing every thing MS says makes you a Sony fanboy too. I guess it's not all bad tho because all that means is Sony have smarter fans because only the stupid ones that believe everything MS says are xbone fans.
SpinalRemains138  +   16d ago
How is it making jest?

MS themselves are the ones who touted "Power of The Cloud."

By claiming jest when you see it, you're essentially agreeing with us about how absurd it is. It is actually so awful and silly sounding, that when even you see it, you take it as a jab at Microsoft.

That's saying something.
hkgamer  +   16d ago
power of the cloud? kinda similar to when sony was talking about maximg the power of the cell.

anyway, the title is used to sell the idea to devs.

who would listen if it just said. cloud compute," just give it a try. it may benefit the game"
marlinfan10  +   16d ago
@flutter

"I guess it's not all bad tho because all that means is Sony have smarter fans because only the stupid ones that believe everything MS says are xbone fans."

yeah i don't think statements like this have anything to do with being called a fanboy. it must be about not being balls deep in MS lmao.
MRMagoo123  +   16d ago
I dont even see what point it is you are trying to make, I can understand clearly what flutterby is saying, yet you seem to have a hard time grasping the simple concept.

They are saying on this site ,anyone saying anything negative/not believing about xbone and the cloud or DX12 is called a Sony fanboy (I am pretty sure flutterby plays mostly PC anyway) , so all thats left for xbone are the fans that believe every stupid thing MS says. I cant see how thats not true really.
marlinfan10  +   16d ago
he talks about being called a fanboy for not being balls deep in microsoft, and I'm saying its probably because he comes on here and makes comments like the one above (saying sony fans are smarter and xbox fans are stupid for believing MS). what does he really expect saying stuff like that, he clearly comes off as a troll/fanboy IMO

not all xbox owners believe everything MS says. i see tons xbox fans talking about waiting until we can actually see something instead of seeing the same crap articles everyday. you guys bundle every xbox owner together like they all say the same stuff
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MRMagoo123  +   16d ago
how does it come off as trolling for telling the truth? Anyone thinking MS was doing the right thing and buying their product is IMO stupid so I would have to agree, I would get an xbone if it wasnt owned by MS and I also know about 40 or so customers that come to my pc repair shop who would also get it if MS was nothing to do with it.

TLDR backing MS and their ideas of where gaming should go is the same as saying I want gaming to die.
Master-H  +   16d ago
Hey, it's not the author's fault that Microsoft keeps making jest of themselves, what would you prefer him to do ? ignore it and sweep it under the rug and only post positive Xbox news just to fit your liking ? Homie need to develop thicker skin.
LightDiego  +   16d ago
You don't need money, don't take an upgrade.
Don't need no credit card to ride this train.
It's strong and it's sudden and it's cruel sometimes.
But it might just save Xbox One life.
That's the Power of Cloud.
That's the Power of Cloud.
RomaVictor  +   16d ago
@NextLevel

Cloud is a fact and a big bite that you fanboys cant swallow.
Even Harada the producer of Tekken thinks that even the PS5 can be a cloud service not a console

http://www.vg247.com/2013/1...
Abriael  +   16d ago
Cloud gaming =/= Could Computing.

Mind you, Harada's drunk.
SpinalRemains138  +   16d ago
RomaVictor.

Those links don't show Xbox One at all.

Why are you lying to us all.

Posting youtubes of different PCs running prototypes of simulations has absolutely nothing to do with Xbox One or the usage of Cloud Power with its exclusives.

There is no Cloud Power, only a very nice server system.
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SpinalRemains138  +   16d ago
Cloud is a fact huh?

What cloud games are you currently into?

What games are using the cloud power? Plz show us.

You can't show us. Why? You can't show us because the cloud's power doesn't exist. You just fell for the lie. The lies continue from MS camp because ppl like you ingest them and ask for more. What you actually get are weaker versions of multiplats and exclusives that last 5 hours with frame rates in the teens.

That's not cloud power. Its Xbox One being inferior.
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RomaVictor  +   16d ago
MS's cloud does exist and this is the tech Crackdown's Cloud demo.Enjoy it:

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

plus Nvidia's own Cloud Rendering

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Yes my friend it is there and more real than you are.Ohhh wait you were pro Sony right? Forget it!
VastoHorde  +   16d ago
The only fool here is you if you think that Cloud Computing does not exsist.
blackout  +   16d ago
Forza 5
Titianfall
And soon to be Forza Horizon 2
Sunset Overdrive
That will be four Cloud games in the first year of the Xbox One's life. Sounds Really nice.
Fable Legends as well, So 5. In such a short time. But still no evidence of the Cloud. Seems as if Microsoft is making strides.
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hkgamer  +   16d ago
@blackout

forza 5 - drivatars, probably saomething very similar to ghosts.

titanfall - ai bots, probably something very similar to what mmo does.

i think the games you stated shows about 1% of the potential cloud computing really could do. i'm very interested to see what ms can do with this tech and hopefully we will see something that shows off its full potential.
extermin8or  +   16d ago
@RomaNova: PS5 being a cloud service means it'd work like PS now streaming compressed video footage that needs uncompressing and you play via that. This is very different to cloud compute-doing part of it on the console and part of it in the cloud. Wouldn't be too hard to convert servers todo the other task if it already does one though but still very different concepts due to the amount of data that needs to be transferred by the web- the way PS Now works requires ALOT less data going to and fro. Also so many people don't and wont have web capable of using either type of service anytime soon as such consoles aren't going anywhere (and sony are on record saying that there will be future consoles as in physical hardware not cloud). Thanks for demonstrating how little you seem to understand the tech... @VastoHorde: I think people are getting confused by "it not existing" and infact "if it works as well as claimed out in the wild on unpredictable network conditions" they seem to mean the latter from what they say but they say the former. Clearly the tech exists just how well will it work for the majority of players...
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hkgamer  +   16d ago
theres a big difference between the cloud services ms is doing and what ps is doing.

ms clouds are used for computation which means that it is offloading a bunch of calculations to a server.

the cloud sony is doing or what harada was talking about is basically a streaming service meaning that the servers are doing everything and then outputing a videostream.
JBSleek  +   16d ago
Interested in both discussions.
DougLord  +   16d ago
This article is perfect proof N4G's moderators only consider pro MSFT posts as trolling. How many Sony Fan boys are going to come on here and Troll Xbox and Xbots and get bubbled up for it. But if you say TLOU remaster isn't worth $50 you get banned. They actually hit a guy for trolling in the MCC Looks great thread for saying he was going to sell his PS4 to play MCC.
ApolloAdams  +   16d ago
But who cares? I mean I do think some PS4 fans are pompous douchebags but it shouldn't effect you so much. Let them troll on.

Also there are people from all console and PC camps who can be pompous douchebags as well. Not exclusive to PS4 people yet I would defiantly say this website has more PS4 favor then other which is to be expected due to how well the PS4 is selling.

At the end of the day who cares it's a damn forum post on the internet. Enjoy gaming don't let them get you down.
KwietStorm  +   16d ago
And now on topic..
Majin-vegeta  +   16d ago
You got a link to this statement?
Lawboy2  +   16d ago
It occurred...but I think he was trolling....he said "time to trade the Ol ps4 for an xbox one for this game" and he got modded....but to be fair it was a little out of line...he knew it would piss ppl off
Eonjay  +   16d ago
Trolling is modded by the community itself. The mods are usually very fair and very (sometime too) lackadaisical about what they allow to be approved.
Volkama  +   16d ago
This site would be a better place if the mods came down like a tonne of particularly heavy and unusually emotional bricks every time someone trolled. Or regular bricks I suppose.

Sign my petition to bring back the open zone. Is what I might say if I had started such a petition.
MysticStrummer  +   16d ago
Yet there are people who say nice things about PS and have one bubble, and people who say nice things about XB and have more than a few.

People sometimes need to think about their delivery as well as the content of their comments.
Alright so if N4G is against pro MSFT posts, why don't you and all the other sensitive microsoft lackeys find another gaming site to infect. Or more simply just read the articles yourself and stay away from the comments...
MasterCornholio  +   16d ago
By explain I hope it means show not just tell. Microsoft needs to prove that the Xbox One can make up for its weaknesses with Xbox live compute.
ApolloAdams  +   16d ago
Xbox One and PS4 are both low range gimped PCs with tablet CPUs. It's funny when they fight about which one sucks less.
KwietStorm  +   16d ago
They're both game consoles, not PCs. Please everyone, the trolling shit is beyond tired. Find something better to do. You're gimping the game community.
SpinalRemains138  +   16d ago
Really?

The overwhelming majority chooses to NOT game on PC.

This is because gaming on PC sucks. You don't get the best exclusives.

Be honest with yourself. If gaming on PC was so amazing, why is it not everyone's first choice?
KakashiHotake  +   16d ago
@KwietStorm, unfortunately trolls are part of the gaming community and they aren't going anywhere. They're here to stay and they only say the things they say to get a reaction. I know it's annoying but the trolls also know this and as sad as it is to say, that's why they do it. Just to be annoying.

@SpinalRemains138, I too game on PC and I love it. I'm apologizing on KwietStorm's behalf. I hate it when fellow PC guys talk like that and all it does is make the whole PC community look like a bunch of arrogant arseholes. PC gaming isn't perfect but if your willing to invest a little time and a little more money than a console it's a very rewarding experience.
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chobit_A5HL3Y  +   16d ago
@apollo

well, for low ranged gimped pc's, they sure have some impressive visuals and games available on them. i'm more than happy with what they've been able to do so far. and it's only gonna get better, so there's that lolz
MasterCornholio  +   16d ago
But there's still a difference between the two. Who cares if PC is better? Everyone knows that already but that doesn't stop people from choosing consoles over PCs. We really dont need PC elitists like you in the community.
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mhunterjr  +   16d ago
I'm hoping Microsoft does a cloud demo...

It's not that I don't believe xbox live compute can enhance games in real-time... In just tired of all the speculation... I'd really like to settle this once and for all.
extermin8or  +   16d ago
Even if they do a demo they've done one already. People's issue shouldn't be "does the tech exist" but rather "will it work on average Joe's so so connection" and that's something ONLY a beta test of a LARGE number of people.
mhunterjr  +   16d ago
I'm not really worried about the whole connections speed aspect of things. The average joe's connection can handle 1080p video streaming, which is more data intensive than sending positional data (like what was shown in the crackdown demo).

The real uestion is whether or not development for such a platform will be feasible and worth while.
Flutterby  +   16d ago
It's the latency that kills it, the latency of the Internet no matter if you are playing right in the azure server room us still factually higher than the consoles latency, this means that nothing real time will work properly , you might be able to do static things or things that aren't interactive but otherwise it's just not happening anytime this gen at least. The Last demo was on pc on a private network , nothing like real use what so ever.
mhunterjr  +   16d ago
I'm hoping Microsoft does a cloud demo...

It's not that I don't believe xbox live compute can enhance games in real-time... I'm just tired of all the speculation... I'd really like to settle this once and for all.
GodGinrai  +   16d ago
I agree. Its time for them to either shut up their detractors or kill the cloud talk. I say lets just wait and see.
DJ  +   16d ago
I suspect Microsoft keeps talking about "The Power of The Cloud" because that's what Apple was doing a few years back. It's such an abstract term. I don't get why they decided to rename what's really just "Online Server Racks" that have been there for a decade.
JBSleek  +   16d ago
All big tech companies use the cloud in their services. Amazon, Apple, MS, Google. Cloud is in all of their big pushes now.

Also it's not abstract and pretty simple to understand. It is applications that aren't on local hardware.
SpinalRemains138  +   16d ago
I do.

They term it as such so that gullible gamers buy into the concept that their preferred machine isn't lacking.

It is phrased as such so that their weaker machine can have a secret weapon that just might help the machine have exclusives on par with its competitor. Nothing more, nothing less. Its a marketing term.

It is actually so effective that a user above posted some youtubes that have nothing to do with Xbox One, as being proof of cloud power. Its amazing really. If you keep believing it, perhaps others will too!
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No_Limit  +   16d ago
There will be a lot of crow being eaten if they ever show the Crackdown demo with the cloud calculated destruction from back in May. Spencer already hinted that the Build's building destruction was indeed an early work for Crackdown 3 and Phil has been upfront and correct about what he tweeted to his followers.

https://twitter.com/XboxP3/...
Ivan ‏@Xone_br33 Jun 9

@XboxP3 Oh, and could answer me if the Crackdown trailer was related to that cloud demo showed on MS build 2014?thx!

Phil Spencer ‏@XboxP3

@Xone_br33 Yes, build demo was early crackdown work.
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extermin8or  +   16d ago
No there wont if they release some kind of beta and hackers get their hands on the stuff and can prove that it isn't capable of running locally. That's when it'll be clear their cloud tech works as they've been advertising it. So look to Crackdown 3's release I think... Why because any demo's will be given over a LAN and that doesn't have all the same factors that normal network conditions would have.
GTgamer  +   16d ago
"There will be a lot of crow being eaten if they ever show the Crackdown demo with the cloud calculated destruction from back in May."

I bet money they show it on PC and don't forget the controlled environment :/.
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pyramidshead  +   16d ago
If it's shown in normal and not perfect conditions then maybe you'd have a point.

If they're that confident in this they'd have shown it in a consumer friendly environment by now so as not to over promise and under deliver. Which is what I see happening.
FayZ_  +   16d ago
after seeing the cloud compute of them destroying everything on a crackdown prototype i'm certainly buzzed about it, would be useful on games like bf4 for destruction, cod doesnt have any destruction just imagine if they offload that kind of physics to the cloud. i just hope more devs utilize it.

crackdown is a must pre order.
Tru_Blu  +   16d ago
With net neutrality dead, ISP's in the US can and will charge out the nose for the bandwith. They already throttled netflix because of how much traffic they generate until netflix paid a ransom to the ISP's. If cloud gaming gets big comcast, verizon ect are going to be expecting a huge payday for the privilege of using their bandwith.
Borma  +   16d ago
Through all the fire and flames the comments sections brings on this site, you bring up a great point that will be overlooked sadly.
quenomamen  +   16d ago
Fucking ISPs have all the lawmakers bought. If they have their way the speeds will only slow down instead of faster like the rest of the world.
FITgamer  +   16d ago
Seem's like all Microsoft has been doing is TALKING about the cloud.
dazzrazz   16d ago | Trolling | show
LordDhampire  +   16d ago
Maybe the xbox one was originally always online because microsoft really didn't buy 300,000 servers, they just were going to use all the idle xbones when peopke weren't playing them
windblowsagain  +   16d ago
The cloud is a crock. Accept it and move on.
Ark_  +   16d ago
Microsofts PR-Department cuts a fart ...
Gamer lights a matchstick and ...
BOOM! Experience the magical Power of the cloud.

... couldn't resist. ;)
gdguide  +   16d ago
The problem with the Cloud is that developers have 2 choices... Do they presume everyone has an awesome network connection and build a game with the power of the cloud to take advantage of THAT kind of bandwidth? Or do they scale it down big time to to make sure most if not all gamers can take advantage of it? By then, I really don't think it's going to make much difference. Maybe a bit. I guess I really don't want the AI in a game to become dense because I all of a sudden get some lag. I don't want physics while a building is falling to turn to crap because I got disconnected to the Internet for a few seconds.
Big-finger  +   16d ago
Some people here actually believe or used to believe to that the cloud would allow the xbone to surpass the ps4 in graphics. MS keeps talking about cloud because that is what they want people to believe in
Revengeance  +   16d ago
Sooo is Microsoft actually going to show something that proves this "cloud" exists or are they going to give us more PR bull again saying it exists in several different games when we all know that's not the truth.
quenomamen  +   16d ago
Prob show some stuff on gaming PCs claiming it all being streamed from Teh Cloud, meanwhile the servers are backstage.
quenomamen  +   16d ago
Whoo hooo more talking less showing !!!!!!
Azzanation  +   16d ago
Why do any of you care what MS talk about. The Cloud is a free service that is standard among all Xboxs. Its new and needs time, but why call it dead when it hasn't even risen yet? Cloud computing regardless if it works or not the XB1 is powerful enough for the games they want to create.

The real question you fans should be asking yourself is, What if MS is right?
cabbitwithscissors  +   16d ago
That is a big IF. Furthermore, I don't trust MS going in that direction is going to be a good turn for the gamers. MS is most likely trying to monetize and make cloud a subscription model like their business application on the cloud model.

Gamers don't buy that.
Azzanation  +   15d ago
That's all an assumptions. Cloud has many benefits, if it makes our games better then so be it, its free and we don't need to buy anything to use it.

If MS are right at what they claim then I am looking forward to it, if it doesn't then it doesn't affect my bank balance.
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SH1ELD  +   16d ago
The power of the clown.
feraldrgn  +   16d ago
Phil Spencer himself already explained the power of the cloud, dedicated servers.
Too bad they went back to using the word "cloud" again, so unaware folks think it's something new & magical.
Dedicated servers will help, sure, but stop using "the cloud" when talking about it.
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Flames76  +   15d ago
Sony will still talk about the same boring damn thing as always.While microsoft will talk about the future of gaming and technolgy

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