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Xbox's Phil Spencer Says He's Not Mad at Bungie After Alignment With PlayStation for Destiny

Not so long ago, Microsoft owned Bungie, and the acclaimed developer's Halo titles were released on consoles only for the Xbox platform. But so much has changed. Bungie has since regained its independence with Destiny, and has aligned closely with Sony for the upcoming sci-fi shooter. An alpha for the game was available only on PlayStation consoles, this month's beta will kick off first on PlayStation, and Sony will even offer a special Destiny PS4 bundle. There's also a possibility that copies of Destiny will come pre-loaded with PS4 systems starting this fall (Destiny, Phil Spencer, Xbox 360, Xbox One)

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60FramesPerSecond  +   90d ago
I was, but honestly it does come down to a simple fact. Xbox One fans all know how good Bungie is, but PS fans do not, They need some motavation. It would be like releasing Killzone on Xbox. I know Killzone is great, but people who play only xbox cannot
AngelicIceDiamond  +   90d ago
Of course Phil's not mad its buissness.
Vitalogy  +   90d ago
They knew this would happen, didn't happened with last gen so it was expected for the current.
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badz149  +   90d ago
Pfft...even if he's mad at them, what's he gonna say and do? Bungie is independent and not theirs anymore. They made Bungie went so far as to buy themselves out of them and that's pretty much unheard of in this industry.

But for all we know, maybe Bungie didn't make any of those deals with Sony but Activision did. They already have a lucrative deal with MS over CoD and they must have wanted a similar deal with Sony too. Destiny is a new IP from a highly acclaimed dev team and it has potential to sell bucket loads based on that fact alone. Activision knew it's an offer anyone will find hard to turn down.
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BattleTorn  +   90d ago
How can he be mad?

With the relationship Bungie and Microsoft had previously, they would've had first dibs.

My bet is that after the split, Microsoft either chose not to make them an offer on Destiny, or gave them a terrible one.

The ball was in their court.
pixelsword  +   90d ago
He can't be mad; pissing-off people that's not under your thumb is a terrible idea. They could soup-up the PS4 version and gimp the Xbox one version just to tick-off Microsoft... and it's not like Microsoft's the top selling console this gen; they're not the top selling console in any major territory at this point as far as I know.
mikeslemonade  +   90d ago
Like ANgelic said it's a business, and at the end of the day he still gets his pay check.

60frames^
From the experience I had the last great game they put out was Halo 2. But I have high hopes for Destiny since they have been working on this game for a long time.
Pogmathoin  +   90d ago
And Insomniac aligned with MS..... So what, its business, families to support and so on..... Not just pleasing rabid fanboys.....
guitarded77  +   90d ago
Well, it's not like XBOX isn't getting the game too. It would be another thing if it were exclusive.
Kribwalker  +   90d ago
Why be mad? It isn't hurting MS's bottom line as they still have equity in bungie, so they are making money no matter what platform destiny is on. As well, they had right of first refusal on all future bungie IP's as part of the split agreement. Don't believe me or feel like disagreeing, just google it, your answers will be right there
TheKing01  +   90d ago
Halo 4 was a terrible game (and looking at it's Metacritic: metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/h alo-4, it's a common sentiment). it completely ignored everything that made the Halo franchise great with it's generic campaign, criminally short co-op, that could be completed in under 4 hours if played with the right amount of participants, and perk-ridden multiplayer.

343 isn't a "step up" from anything. it's a disappointing game made by a company who was trying harder to emulate other games rather than trying to stay true to what made the series unique to begin with.
bennissimo  +   90d ago
lol

The only reason I'd "boycott" Destiny is because I only have so much time to game and would rather play Halo 2 MP on dedicated servers. I might pick up Destiny in 2015, but given how dense the 2015 AAA release schedule appears to be, perhaps not...
BlackWolf12  +   90d ago
Mad at them?

What the actual f**k?

Who the f**k even asks that question to a serious businessman? only a 10 year old would ask something like that.

I am convinced after seeing the backlash about Bungie going multiplat that Xbox players are all children or mentally deficient adults.

This generation has so far really painted an extremely pathetic picture of the gaming community.

ANYONE who says they are pissed at Bungie for going multiplatform doesn't even deserve the time it takes to reply to their stupid comment.
UltraNova  +   90d ago
These days exclusives are strictly limited to 1st party, of course with some exceptions where the paycheck is big enough not to be ignored.

Get your game to as many gamers as possible and make more money. Its business as usual and only rabid fanboys get annoyed by devs going multiplatform.

However,what do you say when a formerly exclusive developer goes exclusive with the other side? E.g. Insomniac effectively aligned with MS for the last few years...I know they are working with Sony on a new RaC but where is it? All I see is xbox support and all I hear from them is 'we wont make anymore Resistance games'. As if they have a problem with the PS platform (just saying)

But that ^^ is still nonsense. Why go exclusive with another company when you wanted- quote "more gamers to experience what Insomniac has to offer" end quote ?

The answer? Big old fat paycheck. Imagine if Destiny was PlayStation exclusive, would it feel like business to you?

So what I'm getting at here is that 'business as usual' can some times be offensive to your long time running fans as well. And fan loyalty goes a long long way when you need it!

E.g. I will buy any game made by Rockstar North and Naughty Dog without even known its name, what kind of game is it and without even watching any trailers on day one. Why? Cause I trust these guys to that extend. That's fan loyalty and that's 60 bucks without even trying.

And when a Suit talk I tend to listen with my bullshit detector on.
Dehnus  +   89d ago
You make it sound like he's a mobster preparing to have them snuffed.
:"DOn't be mad, it's business"
HeWhoWalks  +   90d ago
Um, too many generalizations to take this seriously. "PS fans don't know how good Bungie is". How would you know that? This is a business. Go read up on just WHY Bungie wanted to create their own stuff, free of Halo. Has nothing to do with Sony, PlayStation, or any of its fans.

The fact that it bothered you means you take the console "warz" personally.
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60FramesPerSecond  +   90d ago
i take the console wars personally because i am insulted personally by fanboys on this site.
BlackTar187  +   90d ago
60frams those 2 things shouldn't go hand and hand and i fail to see the connection of why you would be mad at Bungie due to that fact.
BallsEye  +   90d ago
PS fans actually were downplaying Bungie and Halo for years, especially on every n4g article with Bungie/Halo on it...ofcourse that changed when they revealed a multiplatform Destiny, which is a copy of halo with rpg elements and more open world, while models, animations and the whole feel of gameplay is almost exactly the same. Ahh n4g..
Magnes  +   90d ago
@60frames your comments reek of fanboy which you claim to be offended by,and you generalize like a fanboy. You ever think halo fans also owned ps3's I did and alot of ps4 owners had OG xbox and 360's I did. Get off your soap box.
KinjoTakemura  +   90d ago
@60FramesPerSecond

"i take the console wars personally because i am insulted personally by fanboys on this site"

News flash. You are a fan boy if you actually think there's a console war.
Major_Glitch  +   90d ago
@HeWhoWalks Agreed. It's funny how some fanboys think that Sony supporters have never played a Bungie game before. I've been supporting Sony since they were producing walk-mans, but that didn't stop me from playing every halo to come out since the original. Just because people prefer Sony doesn't mean they're unable to play games on a rival console.
@60 You're a fanboy. Deal with it.
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IndoAssassin  +   90d ago
@BallsEye

Xbox fans hated on the Ratchet and Clank series all last gen. Of course that changed when Insomniac decided to make Sunset Overdrive exclusive to Xbox One, which has many of the same mechanics as the Ratchet series, and the same art style.

So What's Your Point?
Morgue  +   90d ago
@60FPS

If you take the " console wars " so seriously then why have this quote on your profile page...

"Quit your petty console war gamers"
solidjun5  +   90d ago
60 FPS : kinda ironic you're insulted by what you are. You reek of it.
lelo  +   90d ago
Releasing Bungie was one of the biggest mistakes Microsoft has ever done. If they left Bungie alone to make any game they wanted, Destiny would be exclusive to Xbox consoles. Stupid Microsoft.

@60FramesPerSecond
Bungie didn't have to continue the Halo franchise. 343 could do that. Bungie could produce other franchises, like Destiny. From a business stand point, releasing Bungie was a pretty stupid move by Microsoft. It would be like Sony releasing Naughty Dog and they became 3rd party.

@Illusive_Man
Microsoft could still compose 343i and leave Bungie alone to do what ever they wanted... and keep Bungie as 1st party.
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60FramesPerSecond  +   90d ago
Honestly i think bungie was holding halo back. they were not the perfect dev to continue a 10 year old franchise, and im happy 343 is in charge. also, now i get both halo and new bungie games.
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BlackTar187  +   90d ago
Holding Halo back?

You mean how they've been less awesome little by little since Bungie stopped making them?

Holding Halo back.......................... ...........

Now i've heard it all
Illusive_Man  +   90d ago
Not really when 343i is composed mostly former Bungie employees. Plus MS still has a minority stake in Bungie.

And I'm just just stating my opinion but Halo was getting stale with Bungie. 343i took the single player game to another level. For the first time we got a very story driven game paired with arguably the best graphics of last gen, along with the staple of excellent gameplay we all expect from Halo.

I think 343i is a more talented studio but a lot of people still think the current Bungie is the same Bungie of old. A lot of people jumped shipped to 343i.
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BlackTar187  +   90d ago
Illusive man pleae explain to me why Halo 2 is still the best Halo MP of all time?

You guys are ridiculous i would cite Metacritic but it's not helpful imo since it's a scam of a site.
shadyiswin  +   90d ago
I agree, in enjoyed odst just cause it was something new but it was the shortest halo game I played. Not surprising it was more of a dlc kind of thing, firefight mode was awesome though. Reach sucked,didn't bother to buy it till 2 weeks before halo 4 dropped. Still don't remember the story or anyone names,graphics were terrible and on levels with rain the frame drops was insane. Then I pop in halo 4 and its like holy shit! That first moment you are able to control it you are like whoa I thought this was a cutscene. The epic ass introduction of the forerunner gave me chills. 343 is doing a great job and yes most of the core bungie guys are now 343 guys (frank O'Connor) . After I saw destiny at Sony's 2013 conference it was huge turn off,looked boring as hell. E3 2014 hasn't changed my mind one bit. I was going to go with evolved over destiny but now the master chief collection is coming and evolve and destiny are only rentals my book. Seriously destiny looks very boring,after halo 3 bungie fell off,some say halo 2 but I enjoyed the bubble shields and all that madness.
sinspirit  +   90d ago
@Illusive-Man

Only like 4 Bungie employees at most work for 343i and they have common roles, none are the more important figures from the company.

Halo wasn't getting stale from Bungie. It was getting stale, period. Halo 4 isn't even a true Halo game. It is a generic sequel where just after all the enemies are gone and Earth is safe, surpise! Another enemy bigger than ever before is here and coincidentally crosses paths with the lead character before anything. Then, surprise! Somehow there are hundreds of super soldiers over only 3 or 4 years when previously it took several more years and even then the casualty rate was very high. And then, to top it off. The stupid "Gotta add more drama!" crap with Cortana freaking out, drastically changing how she looks to try and make her eye candy, and even though Master Chief saved the human race, knows what he is up against, is a seasoned war hero and top of the line super soldier, there are character that know that and try to order him what to do as if he's a child, a generic attempt at drama and to add yelling to try and convey emotion and struggle like any generic action-oriented sequel has done in many movies and games.

Microsoft forced dead-lines on Bungie, tried to keep Halo from PC, and only released Halo 2 on PC(3 years after XBox launch) to try and push Windows Vista's launch, which was an inexcusable mess. So much content was cut out of Halo 1 that was in 2 and the same happened with 2, which would have been an astronomical success if it simultaneously launched on PC with a Halo 2 Custom Edition to allow map editing. But, Microsoft doesn't even care about their PC platform to risk any possible dent in their console sales.

"arguably the best graphics of last gen". Lol.

Halo 4 multiplayer got even worse. It has started to become more like other mainstream shooters. Halo 2 was and will likely always be the best Halo.

@60FramesPerSecond

New Bungie games, yes. But, there is no need for new Halo games. Halo remakes? Yes. So, the new console gets updated versions of the best Halo games and their multiplayer is revisited. A new story, so soon after the trilogy is supposed to be over and we have a prequel as well as the ODST spinoff from Bungie, as well as Halo Wars from another studio? A remake is fine, for clear reasons, but to try and make sequel after sequel of a game without even a clear idea of what to do with the story and with nothing but cliche's in mind it's just ridiculous. It's exactly what milking is. When your game is out of content and has nothing new for itself and yet you keep trying to get more out of it just because you have no more ideas or just want to exploit the franchise name.
joab777  +   90d ago
MS got Halo and Insomniac in exchange. And Destiny is coming to xbone anyway.
ShadowWolf712  +   90d ago
Insomniac is third party and still making games for Sony, man.
shinrock  +   90d ago
Theyy said they will be making exclusives for both x1\p4.
xDHAV0K24x  +   89d ago
wtf is xbone?
Goku781  +   90d ago
That statement is kind of ignorant. Although my opinion is that PS4 is a much better quality system with better quality games, doesn't mean I don't or haven't played Xbox games. I am well aware of Bungie and how good they are. Just because someone won't buy the system doesn't mean they haven't or won't play the games. I will play Gears and Halo 5 if they are good, but I just refuse to buy an Xbox One as it is not worth it to me, and don't want to fund MS for its shady dealings.
Hardcore_gamerxbox  +   90d ago
Can you tell me how come ps4 was worth of buying ?
lfc_4eva  +   90d ago
Dude Killzone is far from great.
I played KZ2 for a while. It looks pretty but it couldn't keep my attention.

Of course thats only my opinion.
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dmitrijs88  +   90d ago
Did anyone expect saying he is mad?
He might as well say he is not mad that x360 users switched to ps4 instead of x1.
sic_chops  +   90d ago
Im a PlayStation fan and I know how good bungie is.
Sheikh Yerbouti  +   90d ago
I had Marathon on my Mac, so I knew before XBox or Halo.
shinrock  +   90d ago
I played oni on p2. Its not Bungies 1st time on ps.
Aceman18  +   90d ago
@60frames

i mostly played on PS platforms with the occasional play on my GC, Wii, Xbox, and 360. i played a couple of the halo games, and even though the franchise isn't my cup of tea i knew how good Bungie is so i don't need motivation to be excited for Destiny i was in the beta, and i loved what i played.
lfc_4eva  +   90d ago
@Aceman18

Its good to hear a gamer speak. You don't have to love something to appreciate it.
Aceman18  +   90d ago
@ifc

thx, yea statements like that make no damn sense to me, and just sound completely stupid.
Hardcore_gamerxbox  +   90d ago
Funny thing is Sony fans used to say bungie is shit now because they making a game for ps console and got exclusive content for it they are amazing now
King-u-mad  +   90d ago
Incorrect... Casual gamers who happened to own a playstation probably said bungie is shit... You can't count the casual audience. They are a plague to gaming. Completely worthless.
King-u-mad  +   90d ago
I dunno what is up with people getting butthurt over it... It's called marketing, just because Bungie had some deals with sony, doesnt really mean anything. NO ONE Complains or Complained about the CONTINUING timed exclusivity (Stuff like DLC being first on xbox) or exclusive (Insomniac made games exclusively for sony at one point) content coming to xbox.

"Xbox One fans all know how good Bungie is, but PS fans do not"

That is completely garbage... I am a sony fan, but I know all to well what bungie can do. I own every console, and adamantly play on all of them. I know good games, I know good company's. My preferred platform does not depict what I know... As with others like me... That was a stupid fucking statement. Same goes for your Killzone statement... The only people who would not know how good a game or company is, are casual gamers... You sir sound very casual based on your opinionated facts spewed on here.
windblowsagain  +   90d ago
I'm not surprised he isn't mad.

Bungie is the reason for xbox existing. Without HALO. Xbox would have long died off. Everything was Halo Halo Halo.

It's like PSplayers moaning about Sunset Overdrive, The thing is you never bought Insomniac's games that's why they went to MS>

I bought Resistance1,2,3. All good games.

I find it funny, hated resistance1 mp, but really enjoyed res2 and 3 mp.
IVIEDICATED  +   89d ago
Insomniac has a habit of over promising and under delivering and Sunset OD will be much of the same maybe worse. It being their first xbox game and all there's a good bet it won't be as advertised. They killed the Resistance series butchered R & C series and IF they were anywhere near as capable as you want them to be Sony would've done what they had to for SO to be on the PS4. Sure Sony wanted to retain the rights to the IP but come on given insomniacs history that certainly was a factor also. And in the end it's insomniac that loses out. The PS4 is the market leader by a 2 to 1 ratio they're losing money going only xbone and the game at best might get 2 million sold that's being generous but rest assured like Titanfall Sunset OD WILL eventually make its way to the PS4 it's really only a matter of time.
Revengeance  +   90d ago
Wow what an ignorant comment. You do know there were PS fans that played Halo 1 and 2 on the original Xbox right?
ghostface9  +   90d ago
metal gear solid would have been the perfect example for this seeing how its the same thing in reverse even though it was only third party for sony instead of bungie being first same concept though
GrandpaSnake  +   90d ago
completely disagree, fans of games alike will now how good bungie is, compared to other games/genres it can be a bit stale for poeple looking for more than high jumps and sci fi spraying and flying. FPS games have been around for ever and it is not like playstation only players never got substantial fps games.
CertifiedGamer  +   90d ago
In the end X1 is still getting the game the same time as Sony so it Destiny doesn't give X1 fans a motive to jump ship to PS4 for that specific game. On the other hand, if PS4 fans want to play Insomniac games new game called Sunset overdrive then they will have to buy the X1 from Microsoft. I do believe Microsoft being the publisher will eventually sell the license back to the Insomniac games once the game sales begin to die out just like they did with EA/Mass Effect1 for PS3 under a different publisher. For those of you who don't remember Microsoft published the first Mass Effect game which ended up on PS3, and also funded Grand Theft Auto 4 DLC, as far as having one of the R* members say that it wouldn't come out on PS3 similar to what is happening with Sunset overdrive right now. I have a feeling both Microsoft and Sony work together behind closed doors, Sony has allowed movies based games to come out on every Microsoft consoles as well.
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InTheZoneAC  +   90d ago
sorry but bungie released a somewhat decent game on a system with no games, that's why it took off...
Sevir  +   90d ago
MS actually had first dibs on Bungie's future IP, it was apart of their buyout to independce contract. In fact it was discovered initially from The Lawsuit with Infinityward and Jason\Vince vs Activision Lawsuit that Destiny was initially going to be a timed exclusive for XBO(XB720 back then) and XB360 with future iteration landing on PS3 and future PS consoles... What happened is that Sony out bid MS because they wanted badly for the new IP to be aligned with PS, and for Bungie it made better sense. If you're going to launch a new IP, there's a whole other potential 85+ million consumers who has who never bothered with a Bungie experience since they owned only a PS3. So business dictated that a new alliance be formed with the other elephant in the room and that was Sony.

Sony paid top dollar to get Bungie to break their previous contract with MS. And since MS wasn't going to get into a bidding war, they chose to let the game go fully multiplatform and take their money to further invest in the Halo IP. Halo Anniversary, Halo 4, The Master Chief Collection and Halo 5:Guardians with 343i is showing the fruits of its labor...

Xb diehards are upset because it appears as if Bungie had abandoned the house that supported them when in fact the game is coming day and date to their black boxes, sans exclusive contents. Its a multiplatform IP coming to 4 platforms. Sony just wants to make sure That Destiny is experience on PS4\PS3 the way MS fans experienced Halo. And exclusive content was the best they could do, because getting the game exclusive would probably cost way too much money and Activision needs to break even with their investment. Bungie is pretty close to a billion dollar company, just about every one of their games have sold 8+ million units. They deliver the goods, clearly.

MS fans complaining about this is silly just like Sony fans complaining about Insomniac is silly. Its business, MS siezed an opportunity with Insomniac. They are still
committed to Sony. They'll be showing off a new PS4 exclusive this August at Gamescon, so neither Bungie or Insomniac has turned their back on the fan bases that made them the great devhouse they've become. But fanboys don't know the console business.

Phil isn't mad, and he's got no ill will towards the dev that brought them the IP that revolutionized FPS multiplayer and made Xbox a house hold name. And Shuhei feels the same way toward Insomniac, Shu saids its "Insomniac growing up" and he's "excited to see them branch out to make new experiences for other platforms"

So seriously diehards from both camps can let it die already. Its pointless, we all benefit in the end.
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Sevir  +   89d ago
Inchoherent!? DUDE! how do you think BUNGIE Became independent in the first place!?

To break a partnership of any sort or to strike a partnership take MONEY! And Simply PUT, Sony OUTBID MS in an effort to strke up this partnership.... ITs Business 101. TAKE a Course, read a book. EVERYTHING happening with EXCLUSIVE partnerships between third party and platform holders isn't formulated by a simple conversation. Maybe the thought that Sony Outbids MS is something farfetched, its popular belief that MS dumps truck loads of money on a developer/publisher's lawn. BUT SONY Does it too.

There are situations where something is announced exclusive years prior and is suddenly realigned with another partner... Its a bidding war. who throws up the most money gets the golden ticket...

Bungie bought their independence from MS and became and announced it in 2010... shortly after that announcement, MS released a press release stating that Their standing with Bungie is great and as part of an agreement MS has the right to first approach on what ever they create to foster association with MS's platform... Destiny was announced in 2013 and days after their announcement. Bungie shows up at Sony's PS4 reveal announcing a partnership with SONY...

Is it not feasible that over the course of 4 years since its standing with MS that Sony couldn't have worked out a more profitable deal to strike a partnership with them instead of going forward with MS. I've laid it all oout their. this isn't incherent BS. Youre just a pissed idiot who knows nothing about how the industry truly work. Don't attack me unless you can DISPROVE anything I said. and I can definitely provide links if you feel like challenging me!

I'm waiting...
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awi5951  +   90d ago
The xbox guys have been proven to buy more games per console. They may have cost themselves allot of sales.The xbox fans hold grudges. See what happened to the dead rising series. It sold over 2 million as a xbox exclusive the second game after it was announced as multiplatform it barley sold 500k on xbox. So bungie better walk a fine line because they may find out the xbox crowd decide to sit their game out. Just look at the COD numbers way more were sold on xbox.
CertifiedGamer  +   89d ago
Awi5951 tell me about the watch_dogs numbers? Also explain to me how FIFA 14 which practically came free with an X1 in UK still got crushed by the PS4 game of the same region. If you think Xbox fans are going to hold out on playing a good game, you must be smoking crack because that has nothing to do with it. Gears of War 3 was exclusive to 360 and still managed to sell a third of what the second installment sold.
awi5951  +   89d ago
@CertifiedGamer

Yes and how many ps 3 exclusives sold more than 3 million. The others sold 8 mill each. They still buy more your point is still mute. And look at the number of 1 million at least sales on each console last get its not even close xbox 360 won by miles.
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Gunners14  +   90d ago
People on this site disgust me

to them bungie sucked until they went multiplatform

this is one of the most biast fanboy infested sites and most people here DONT KNOW WHAT OWNING MULTIPLE CONSOLES MEANS...

lol entertain me some more you fools
kewlkat007  +   90d ago
"PS fans actually were downplaying Bungie and Halo for years,"

I remember them days..now it's different..lol

I remember halo was to cartoony and the colors or something to that effect..
CertifiedGamer  +   89d ago
@kewlkat007 two can play that game on X1 fanboys too.

Remember when 360 fanboys used to do graphic comparison with the 360 and PS3 version of multi plats and that took place up until the PS4 launched.
kewlkat007  +   89d ago
Dude mocking a dev constantly because they chose a visual look for a game has nothing to do about graphics between consolse..

Just sayin, bungie right now by psfans...another sci-fi looking game with similar colors. .
Azzanation  +   89d ago
Umm Bungie can make what ever games they want on other platforms, the difference is Halo isn't on PS just like Killzone isn't on X1. I honestly don't get your point. Destiny isn't Halo, there 2 completely different games. Just because its Bungie doesn't mean fans of Halo are automaticly going to fall in love with Destiny.

Its just like saying Sunset Overdrive is going to make PS fans unset. Completely different games. Apples to Oranges .
Azzanation  +   89d ago
Umm Bungie can make what ever games they want on other platforms, the difference is Halo isn't on PS just like Killzone isn't on X1. I honestly don't get your point. Destiny isn't Halo, there 2 completely different games. Just because its Bungie doesn't mean fans of Halo are automatically going to fall in love with Destiny.

Its just like saying Sunset Overdrive is going to make PS fans unset. Completely different games. Apples to Oranges .
lowkey10011  +   89d ago
Why would he be mad he has halo and laughing all the way to the bank. Destiny will be good but will never top halos 50mill sales.

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wi...
Volkama  +   89d ago
I don't think it has anything to do with Bungie trying to cosy up to PS fans or favour them over XBox fans.

This is all about the publishing deal with Activision. Activision do not want to put all their eggs in 1 basket, and they want to keep both platform holders on-side. They are doing that by striking major deals with both platform holders. COD, Destiny.

And it is working for them. Surely you noticed that both Sony and Microsoft opened up their E3 presentations with a showcase of their respective Activision property? Bobby Kotick is laughing it up.
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Eonjay  +   90d ago
It all business. Can't be made at that. Microsoft has also engaged in situations where they have paid for preferential treatment as well. Good for Bungie because it gives them the chance to get PS gamers on board with the company whose work is already know to many Xbox Vets. It just so happens that they might have bet on the right horse. Destiny will sell gangbusters on both.
Bigpappy  +   90d ago
Way too much posturing in this thread. One guy above even asked what could he do about it. This is NOT a significant development.

I don't think they were betting on any horse. They left M$ to have creative freedom. To get out of the culture they were in, they moved to Activision not Sony. Having exclusive content on PS4 doesn't mean they are favoring the PS4 over X1, it simply means that that they was a business deal made with Sony to use the game to promote PS4.

Why would anyone, at M$, be mad at Bungie because Sony has a deal for exclusive content? M$ does these types of deals all the time. Look no further than Titan Falls, where they actually got a real EXCLUSIVE deal.

I am sure some one asked and he just game an answer. It is not like he held a press conference to announce this.
Eonjay  +   90d ago
Actually I think Microsoft should be proud of Bungie. This is their first effort since Halo, and its looking like a hit. And they have been able to successful impress Sony fans. This means that they were really good, not just hype.
Volkama  +   89d ago
Still find it odd that they left MS because they didn't want to keep making Halo games, and ended up signing a deal with Activision to make was is essentially a Halo game by another name.

I would have thought they'd attempt a bigger departure from their tried and tested. Maybe revisit the RTS genre that Halo was original heading to be before MS bought them.

But I suspect Activision paid them boatloads of cash to do what they're good at.
Bigpappy  +   90d ago
I don't get that Eonjay. Why do you think for one second the Phil isn't proud of what Bungie accomplished with Dynasty? Where did that even come from?

"And they have been able to successful impress Sony fans. This means that they were really good, not just hype." Ofcouse they have. PS4 guys had pre-orders in long before even seeing any footage. Bungie did not go out seeking approval and legitimacy from PS4 fans, they already had that swag from the first Halo. What they success (whether on Xbox or PS) will prove is that they are not just good at making Halo. Halo was not successful on hype. That is the PS fanboy narrative. You seem to be getting caught up in that. That's a shame too because most of what you write actually makes sense. I am not expecting you to cater to me obviously, but what you are saying here is insulting to Bungie and all the people who have been their fans over a decade. This include many who played in competitions and professionally, along with many in the media.

You are also talking like the game is exclusive to PS.
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Eonjay  +   90d ago
I was trying to compliment them. See, years from now, when theses systems are gone and we are looking back at Bungie, we are going to have to pay homage to their origins... and that is something Microsoft can be proud of.

You know, not every comment is meant to be insulting or pervasive. I say what I mean. I am not caught up on anything. I am one of those people who played Destiny and was impressed. The hype is in reference to what Activision said months ago proclaiming this to be the biggest new IP of all time. It doesn't matter if it sucked and their is NO WAY to know these things unless you play it. So I stand by my statement because I am a reflection of that reality.

Its not only about their pedigree as you proclaim, because I could very easily make the argument that of course the game would get a lot of preorders with all the 360 converts.
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mrpsychoticstalker  +   90d ago
No one is upset Phil! I like how this guy is always diplomatic, not like other execs taking jabs at the competition.
That said. I'm sure the new Halo will be a hit, the master chief collection has already created controversy by having so much value for only $60. Halo 5 will redefine the Halo franchise of course we will never forget that bungie did a great job. But I think the new studio will do an even better job.

Same with the new Gears of War.
-Foxtrot  +   90d ago
Jabs at the competition

http://www.abload.de/img/xb...

Yeah Microsoft are innocent alright...both of them do it but that boat thing was at the PS3 launch party in France, you can't get worse then that.

I'll tell you something if the shoe was on the other foot someone like Phil would be taking jabs at Sony constantly, he's that type of person. The only reason this guy comes off as some sort of "down to earth" gamer is because they are trailing behind and it would make him look bad.

I wouldn't really say Sony is taking full on jabs at them...just pointing out their obvious mistakes.
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spy117  +   90d ago
Sony takes jabs at nintendo and microsoft all the time dont even try to downplay that.
JBSleek  +   90d ago
Isn't a jab just simply pointing out the competitors mistakes? No one would jab about what the competition is doing right.
AngelicIceDiamond  +   90d ago
@Fox "I'll tell you something if the shoe was on the other foot someone like Phil would be taking jabs at Sony constantly, he's that type of person."

I doubt it because the guy freely talks about Sony and Nintendo whenever he gets interviewed.

He even mentioned them at there press conference basically stating no matter where you decide to game all three will have something for you.

Phil hasn't shown nor hinted at anything to be hostile at the competition and I don't see signs of him doing it even if the shoe was on the other foot.

"I wouldn't really say Sony is taking full on jabs at them...just pointing out their obvious mistakes."

So that boat was the last major jab MS did to Sony which was ages ago now.

But as of last year Sony has been taking jabs whenever they can it seems.

So your saying MS made the biggest jab therefor they are the worst ones still? but lately Sony hasn't? Just pointing out mistakes?

Your spinning things here Sony lately has been making jabs.

You have a see no evil hear no evil mentality goin on here.
TheWatercooler  +   90d ago
@Angelic Diamond.
"So that boat was the last major jab MS did to Sony which was ages ago now"

Umm. I believe last year Microsoft said. "we're gonna kill sony at e3". That is worse than anything sony have ever said. It's vile and disgusting.

Sony "we offered the ps camera as an option from the start" - Oh yeah. Thats a real bad jab there

Xboxfanboys like you only see what they want to
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LazyGoron  +   90d ago
@angelic

All 3 companies will complement and praise the other, and also all 3 will take jabs when needed.

What jabs has Sony done, in your opinion, recently? I do not consider ND devs or other PS4 devs saying negative things about the X1 the same thing as "Sony taking jabs at MS"

The 360 boat thing, that was a corporate MS decision to do that. That wasn't devs speaking in an interview or a company throwing stats out, etc. I don't think Sony has ever or will ever do that, namely they are an Asian company and their culture is much more steeped in respect and a "live with" approach.

MS (american culture) is based on winning, succeeding, completing, etc. - respect to the competition comes second.
xHeavYx  +   90d ago
So, telling the truth = taking jabs?
Didn't know that
Sitdown  +   90d ago
@lazycoron,
That's not american culture, just certain pockets.
Darkstares  +   90d ago
These jabs have been going on for years. People at Sony called the XBox 360 the Xbox 1.5. Jack Tretton called the DS for children. It's all just business tactics so why do we the consumers care at all? The product speaks for itself and right now the PS4 is doing everything right. The XBox 360 was the go to platform for third party developers, not bad for a Xbox 1.5. Now it's Sony turn to have the system third party favor so far.

It's amazing how many comments have been made so far out of one small tweet. I think Sony fans would be more upset Sunset Overdrive is exclusive to the XB1. They used to be exclusive to Sony. Bungie is still making Destiny for the XBox 360 and XB1 but they do have some DLC timed for the PS4.

At the end of the day it's all business. Bungie likely got sick of being tied to Halo which Microsoft wants to keep milking and Insomniac just like Bungie wants to own there own ip's and make games they want to make.
Mikelarry  +   90d ago
"not like other execs taking jabs at the competition"

the reason why MS are not taking jabs is because they are not winning. last gen they ran adverts adverts and the like poking fun at the competition. there was a a major nelson podcast where he dedicated almost 20mins talking abut how sony didn't not provide hdmi in the box with ps3. last gen they were the bullies. MS takes jabs at apple all the time the hypocrisy of some gamers. is it right for sony to take jabs maybe not but MS are not innocent and if the tables were turned will be doing the same
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izumo_lee  +   90d ago
Yeah these jabs has mAde the Xboxone into a better system than it originally was. The removal of drm, the exclusion of Xbox live for some apps, the lowering of the price by making the kinect optional. All these were a result of jabs made by the rival company.

Last gen it was Microsoft making all the jabs and you know what i thank them for that cause it resulted in the creation of the PS4 and Sony's new attitude.
Snookies12  +   90d ago
"the master chief collection has already created controversy by having so much value for only $60."

How is that a controversy...? It's a really great deal, don't get me wrong, but it hasn't stirred up any sort of controversy.
shadyiswin  +   90d ago
The controversy is it makes games like tomb raider,last of us remastered and any other HD remake look like a rip off by giving us 4 games and 100 maps for $60. Basically its a slap in the right direction,already the last of us remastered has taking a $10 hit. Not that it needed to,Sony fans are dying for something since February's imfamous ss -.-
Kayant  +   90d ago
Why would he be mad they could to keep their money maker Halo. It's business you gain partners all the time as you go along.
truefan1  +   90d ago
Why would he be, MSFT still owns equity in Bungie.
ThinkThink  +   90d ago
I wonder how that works. Like, how much does Microsoft make off of Destiny on the PS4?

"Microsoft Corp. today announced a plan for Bungie Studios, the developers of the “Halo” franchise, to embark on a path to become an independent company. Microsoft will retain an equity interest in Bungie, at the same time continuing its long-standing publishing agreement between Microsoft Game Studios and Bungie for the Microsoft-owned “Halo” intellectual property as well as other future properties developed by Bungie".

http://blog.seattlepi.com/m...
GodGinrai  +   90d ago
@thinkthink

I remember this..funny how people forget these kinds of details.
Eonjay  +   90d ago
Well, I suppose that means Microsoft is rooting for the success of the bundle and all versions of Destiny.
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pyramidshead  +   89d ago
Then they'll be thanking Sony for the amazing sales that will happen on PS4.
JBSleek  +   90d ago
I'm happy Sony fans can play Bungie games now. You can experience first hand how awesome they are.

I only laugh at certain people who shitted on them before just because they were on Xbox and PC before. They are a great developer and deserve this opportunity.

Now Activision please allow a PC version of Destiny please!
BlackTar187  +   90d ago
Did you just say it was made by bungie but not made by bungie?

Why do you even respond? You can't reword something when it's fact.

I'll give you a good fact

Bungie had released a game on ps2. THAT IS FACT so saying NO is incorrect but you do this don't you?
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JBSleek  +   90d ago
No. If you are talking about that one obscure game on PS2 that was a separate division of Bungie. And if I remember received average at best reviews.
JBSleek  +   90d ago
Are you dumb? Actually know what your talking about. Rockstar Toronto made the PS2 version.

THIS IS FACT

You can't reword something when it's fact.
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GodGinrai  +   90d ago
"Bungie had released a game on ps2. THAT IS FACT so saying NO is incorrect but you do this don't you?"

If you're talking about Oni...the PS2 version was developed by rockstar toronto. Bungie did the PC/mac versions. the game was also released by rockstar not bungie.

EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...
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rainslacker  +   90d ago
The game itself(as in the IP) was developed by bungie for PC/MAC, but rockstar ported it to the PS2. All in all, i would say it's a Bungie created game. It's no different than any game today being ported by another dev. The credit still goes to the original developer in most cases. Bungie's logo is on the PS2 box. Remember having that conversation with someone last year for some reason. I even recall an interview with Bungie in EGM about it and they talked about the PS2 implementation, so they likely had some part in developing it for the PS2.

I suppose factually though, you are right, it wasn't technically released by Bungie for PS2.

They were around for about a decade before MS brought them out, and I'd imagine a lot of older gamers have played their games even if they opted to never own an XBox.
thebudgetgamer  +   90d ago
Being a fan of one doesn't mean you hate the other.
corvusmd  +   90d ago
Why would he be? Honestly Bungie gave us a great world with Halo, but then they were getting stale at the end. The best thing in for the Halo world so far was to hand it off to fresh blood and allow Bungie to start fresh with something new. Bungie isn't a Sony exclusive, Spencer understands that the Alpha and Early Beta are just part of the marketing game. From a gamer aspect it's perfect actually. Now we get Destiny, and Halo is better than ever...it's a win win.
HeWhoWalks  +   90d ago
Yeah, a win-win for everyone, not just a single brand (which is what you seem to be eluding to). They didn't have to be Sony exclusive to ruffle feathers, otherwise, Phil wouldn't have commented in the first place.
AnEwGuY  +   90d ago
That's because he knows Halo will still be 10x more important to the XBOX brand, than Destiny ever will be to the PS brand.
Dlacy13g  +   90d ago
I am not mad at them either. I will get it on Xbox One regardless of the content. I applaud Bungie for going out and getting good deals for themselves. Its a business... you need to make money...they are going to do that.
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GodGinrai  +   90d ago
+1

Buying it for x1 too. that "exclusive" content is timed anyway.
Salooh  +   90d ago
It's rare when i play the dlc's let a lone smaller extra content. It's not a big issue. Hope all people enjoy the game regardless of their console.

I for one don't mind Insomniac Games going multiplaform. But i looked at it as a bad thing because they stopped making resistance and they made a crappy multiplatform game. If Sunset was the multiplatform game then that would be awesome.
TheTwelve  +   90d ago
Was there a bigger weapon for the Xbox brand than Bungie in the past two gens? Sony knew they had to jump and make investments into the company. But I'm very surprised with how far they managed to go.
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Dread  +   90d ago
Perhaps no, but MS played it well with 343 studios IMO.

Plus, they are making strong moves now and acquiring new exiting exclusives like Quantum Break and Sunset Overdrive to name a few. Also, remember that insomniac only made games for Sony last gen (except fuse) and now MS has an exclusive game from them.

I guess, my point is that MS is not as dependent on Bungie as they once were.
TheTwelve  +   90d ago
No, I agree.

The Insomniac/Bungie comparison isn't quite 1:1 (I don't think Resistance/Ratchet+Clank was as significant to Sony as Halo was to Microsoft) but yeah.
badz149  +   90d ago
There is one critical difference between Bungie and Insomniac. Bungie was owned by MS while Insomniac has always been indipendent.

Bungie HAD to make Halo exclusively for Xbox but Insomniac CHOSE to make R&C and Resistance exclusive to the PS. Insomniac make games for who they want and now they chose the Xbone, so...good for them. Bungie too can now make games for who they want and they chose to make a multiplat under AV, so...good for them too.

It's not like MS bought Insomniac and Sony bought Bungie so they change hands. Insomniac will be back for more R&C, I'm sure of it but can't say the same about Bungie and Halo.
ShadowWolf712  +   90d ago
@badz149

Insomniac already confirmed they're working with both. They're overseeing production on the R&C movie and remaking the original game for the PS4. That's just the near future.
Funantic1  +   90d ago
Well I'm not mad either. X1 will get Destiny too and their own exclusive content. Also most previewers who played Destiny said it wasn't anything special or just like Halo. It sure looks like it from all trailers I've seen. Plus MS already has their own Halo.

@MasterCornholio you must have read that on N4G.....not reliable.
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MasterCornholio  +   90d ago
Funny from what I've read from the aplha most people love the game.

Dont downplay it because its not exclusive to the Xbox One.
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PrinceOfAllSaiyans  +   90d ago
Wtf are you talking about ? Everyone loved the game. Stop making up lies to make yourself feel better.

OT- Why would they be mad ? It's still coming to the Xbox One, it isn't like its PS exclusive.
MasterCornholio  +   90d ago
Of course I read it on N4G. The impressions came from sites like IGN, GameSpot etc. Plus I've seen many previews on YouTube and they were all quite positive.

I dont know why you think articles that people post on N4G from gaming websites are invalid.
MasterCornholio  +   90d ago
I dont see why he would be mad. Microsoft owns Halo and Destiny is still coming to the Xbox One.
gamepard  +   90d ago
idiotic and stupid articles ...Bungie is not the old Bungie which developed the gem games of the past ...and MS jaust dont care because they bought their most important IP -HAlo ....while the only good Halo was the first one (after that MS involved in and all others became mediocre games) ...Bungie is going from bad to worse and after it was bought by another even more robbery company Activision and also lost their main game it s just another Activision lame developer and there is no chance for a good game no matter what
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TH3 GAM3  +   90d ago
Bungie is still independent. They sign an exclusive contract with Activision so Activision can publish their games exclusively for 10 years.
badz149  +   90d ago
MS didn't buy Halo. They owned it from the beginning. They did bought Gears though.
ghostface9  +   90d ago
I wish people like you didn't exist 4 out of the 5 halos they made got over a 90 on metacritic if that's bad I dont know whats good
uth11  +   90d ago
Microsoft doesn't take jabs,
instead they exchange internal memos plotting your demise in underhanded ways (see Halloween Documents)
KNWS  +   90d ago
Was never a Halo fan so i can't say i am disappointed with Bungie. But i have heard from x box fans they don't like the way Bungie is gone Sony now. I kind of disagree with that exclusive DLC is normal for games nowadays.

As long as Destiny plays the same i couldn't care less. I have got a beta code so i be playing on 17th of July see what all the fuss is about.
LogicStomper  +   90d ago
I actually think it's a great idea to allow Playstation fans to enjoy Bungie games too. Now share some Naughty Dog with us :D
azure1990  +   90d ago
Personally I'm glad 343 took over Halo. I thought Halo 4 was amazing. I felt bungie went downhill with Halo. But that's a personal opinion. I'm happy bungie did make destiny multi-platform. I believe some games should just be multi-platform and destiny is one of those games along with Titanfall.
OldDude  +   90d ago
I think 343 created the best Halo since Halo 2. ODST and Reach were a joke and quite honestly Bungie made it quite clear how much they had grown to resent the deal they inked with MS. They acted like spoiled brat athletes that want to renegotiate. A lot of key people have left Bungie's staff for MS and it showed in Halo 4. Destiny, meh, I will take a wait and see attitude.
typittt69  +   90d ago
It's a stupid question. Business is business. Now let's ask Yoshida if he's mad at Insomniac.
ShadowWolf712  +   90d ago
Don't think Sony ever owned Insomniac the way MS owned Bungie though.
typittt69  +   90d ago
True but still have been PS exclusive up until Fuse.
They've always been Playstation to me.
MichaelLito79  +   90d ago
Why be upset we still getting the game and Beta.
Dread  +   90d ago
and the "exclusive content"

timed, but Sony fans have always said that that does not count so i better not here any complaining now.
stripe814  +   90d ago
he cant be mad coz he still have a cow named Halo to milk..
iNFAMOUZ1  +   90d ago
what? get out of here, halo is the best fps
king_ps4  +   89d ago
Halo is not even close to being the best fps, put the whiskey down
JBSleek  +   90d ago
Milk?
Milesprowers  +   90d ago
He is not mad, he is furious with anger, he even cries in bed cos of it.
lemoncake  +   90d ago
Everyone keeps talking like this is an exclusive ps4 game, its not so why should he be mad? Its not even a timed exclusive, the retail version will launch at the same time on both consoles. Its just an alpha and a few week beta exclusive and a console bundle, is that really worth phils time getting upset about?

Microsoft will still get a nice chunk of money from people buying this game for the x1.
HeWhoWalks  +   90d ago
In Japan, it's a complete exclusive. No matter how you try to minimize this, it would be understandable for anyone in the Xbox camp to feel a little betrayed (I'm talking the company, not its fanatics).

As I said above, it wouldn't have needed elaboration if the thought hadn't crossed SOMEBODY'S mind within the company.
madara0sama  +   90d ago
It's not like Destiny is a exclusive PS title. It's just like the xbox getting COD dlc earlier and some minor exclusive dlc. Who gives a crap.
brotherlymoses  +   90d ago
"Xbox's Phil Spencer Says He's Not Mad at Bungie After Alignment With PlayStation for Destiny".
misleading title, they just asked if he's mad at Bungie, and he said, no.they didn't talk about bungies alignment with PlayStation.
saber00005  +   90d ago
He better not be mad. They gave him Halo.
FayZ_  +   90d ago
its a multiplat game who cares, ps3 fans will know a lot about waiting for content lol, a year wait for gta dlc & still 1 month late for cod dlc. the division has exclusive content on xbone. it's really not that bad, i'm glad i own both but most of my games will be for ps4 exclusive dlc or not as it's all about what console your friends have.

got to say the white ps4 looks nice.
xX1NORM1Xx  +   90d ago
It's come to the point when this is necessary or fanbois insist that they are like when insomniac announced sunset overdrive is Sony mad at insomniac? No of course not its business they know that
Gunstar75  +   90d ago
Seriously!! Do we always need a full blown article every time Phil tweets? Just read twitter!
urwifeminder  +   90d ago
Yeah why would you be upset its great for sony gamers to get such a great dev for a change .
Solitaryswordsman  +   90d ago
Halo could have been a long forgotten pc game if ms had not stepped in, kudos to them for seeing potential not just as a game but as a potential system seller.
Ultimax  +   90d ago
Of course he wouldn't be mad since Destiny is already coming to Xbox systems as well
Hmmm let's talk about Sunset Overdrive , Did M$ did the same thing as Destiny and release it for the PS4 as well , NOPE NO THEY DIDN'T and all the core fans of Insomaniac are still couldn't handle the amount anger at them for not releasing it on the PS4 as well since you know M$ wouldn't let this to happen anyway
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