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No Right Answer Greatest Console Blunder Ever

NO, the Virtual boy doesn't count, because it was a conspiracy to give people eye-cancer. That being said, which gaming console tripped over it's own two feet the hardest?

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Geekman1147d ago (Edited 1147d ago )

The Xbox One is not a blunder. Selling weakly compared to competition is not selling badly. This is coming from someone who owns ever console but an Xbox One. It was the ANNOUNCEMENT that failed.

jts18911147d ago

Agreed. Honestly, people seem to forget that last gen, the Wii massively outsold both the PS3 and the Xbox 360. Yet no one considers either of them to be failures. When you compare the sales of the 360 to the X1, the X1 is actually doing better than the 360 despite MS's early screw ups.

DeadRabbits1147d ago (Edited 1147d ago )

Just as the monster was created by Dr Frankenstein we can not be angry with something that did not choose to exist! But it will ultimately have revenge on its creator and destroy it!

NewMonday1147d ago

@jts1891

nope!

since April comparing timelines the XBone is doing worse than the 360

Eonjay1147d ago

@New Monday

For April and May, the 360 sold more in those months its first year.

Hitman07691147d ago

LoL @DeadRabbits

What!!! I'm still trying to decipher that.

AngelicIceDiamond1147d ago

Started as a blunder when Don Mattrick was in charge.

What do you know things look and sound better for X1 now that Phil is in charge.

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Darkstares1147d ago

It started off as a blunder though. They managed to change some things for the better and they did it quite early so it still has a chance to recoup itself with sales. The PS4 by comparison has all the momentum right now and doesn't seem to be slowing down. That is also without much in the way of big games that can only be played on the PS4. So what happens when Sony starts to release the big games next year?

The good thing is Microsoft is on there heels and that means they will have to try harder. That's a win win no matter how you look at it.

The Wii U on the other hand isn't making much revelations to change its future other than Nintendo releasing there own games to build hype. Problem is they can't do it alone and the Gamepad much like Kinect isn't exactly something gamers are clamoring over.

LazyGoron1147d ago

Don't hate me for being the devil's advocate, but I believe success/failure is/"can be" determined by how well something does relative to a similar product.

Compared to 360 = X1 massive success

Compared to PS4 =
I could argue failure b/c:
1)how quickly they lost customers (something like 30% of PS4 owners used to have 360
2)a failure by how immediately they were so far behind and the gap grows steadily
3)Early adopters were lied to and deceived (not going to post the thousands of "never bundled without Kinect" articles)
4)Performance-wise, only a ignorant person wouldn't say the PS4 (currently) has some type of edge in this department (it's there)

There a lot of reasons why I could say it's a failure. I don't think it is in and of itself (because if there was no PS4 it WOULD BE a success), but I do think the perform and look so bad in the market/media is nothing to be proud of and nothing to consider a "win".

jts18911147d ago

1. The actual statistic is that 30% of PS4 owners had a 360 OR a Wii last gen. Also keep in mind that the 'study' in question was done by Sony itself.

2. Far behind? The X1 had sold around 5 million units as of April, while the PS4 was at 7 million in the same time frame. While the gap is significant, I wouldn't call it 'far behind', especially when you consider the fact that the X1 was $100 more expensive.

3. If you call altering your marketing strategy in response to feedback and criticism 'lies and deception' maybe. I don't know of anyone who didn't expect MS to drop the Kinect eventually, regardless of what they said.

4. It does. The same could be said for the 360 and the PS3, however. The PS3 was substantially stronger than the 360, and most games looked better on that console.

rdgneoz31147d ago (Edited 1147d ago )

@jts1891 A little correction in what you said.

"Far behind? The X1 had sold around 5 million units as of April, while the PS4 was at 7 million in the same time frame."

With the PS4, the number was sold "through" to customers. With the xbone, it was sold "in" to retailers. Every console sitting on a store shelf counts as sold "in" for MS, which is why they said they were sold out of day 1 editions while months later there were some sitting on shelves.

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As for #4, The PS3 was a lot harder for devs to work with thanks to the cell. A lot of multiplats looked better earlier on for the 360 due to being easier to work with. The ones that really showed how powerful the PS3 was tended to be first party devs like Naughty Dog.

Bzone241147d ago

@rdgneoz3

If Sony knows exactly how many consoles they've sold to the actual customer, why do they subscribe to NPD?

Utalkin2me1147d ago (Edited 1147d ago )

@Bzone24

Cause you can base off supply and demand. If you are not shipping to retailers then that means your product is sitting on shelf. If when you make a shipment and the retailers put in another order for the following week you assume they sold out. Simple logic really.

Anon19741147d ago (Edited 1147d ago )

@Bzone24. Are you implying that Sony doesn't know how many units are being sold in what stores? Of course they track that information. Don't be ridiculous.

And the very question you're asking belies that you actually don't know what the NPD group does. NPD tracking store sales from samples in North America is just the tip of the iceberg, and information that manufacturers like Sony don't even need. NPD product reports break down consumer behaviors and that's more important to companies like Sony and Microsoft, not product numbers.

NPD reports cover things like consumer buying habits and trends, key factors driving purchasing, who the customer is, what channels are growing, what else is the customer buying, conversion, demographics, market size, key price points, store level media options, forecasting, economic factors affecting future performance, etc...etc.

Sony doesn't need NPD to tell it how many units are leaving their warehouses and where they're going. That's not what companies like NPD are paid tens of thousands for per report.

On topic. Of course the Xbox One has been blunder followed by blunder. It's irrelevant to the conversation that they've backtracked now. They were discussing the biggest console blunders and you can't look at the past year and disagree that Microsoft has badly mishandled the Xbox One on multiple fronts. They're making up for it, but fixing a blunder doesn't suddenly erase the initial mistakes from history.

LazyGoron1147d ago

@jts1891

I wasn't trying to proclaim the study showing the 30% change over was the Next Gen Bible, but there definitely are a number of people who owned a 360 who now own a PS4 and don't own a X1.

I also believe the PS4 has announced sales to customers of 8.1 million. X1 only ever announced "shipped" figures. Let's take the 5 million as sold to customers, the PS4 is still out-selling the X1 by 60%. For every 1 X1 sold, 1.6 PS4's are sold. That means every time X1 sells 5 consoles, PS4 sells 8 and gets an additional 3 consoles ahead. When X1 sells 10, PS4 is now 6 (an additional 3) consoles ahead. This is significant.

I think it's smart financailly to change with the market. But I think it's dumb to not commit to an idea/strategy. It is better to fail (for a company as big as Microsoft) and see the idea into the ground than it is to negatively affect your customers (remember those 5 million the X1 has "sold"?) who bought into the idea that you abandoned. I personally do not buy Microsoft products because if they won't stand behind their products 100%, why would I?

Bzone241147d ago

@darkride

defensive much? How does Sony know of every single purchase? That is the question I'm getting at.

Anon19741143d ago (Edited 1143d ago )

@Bzone24 said "How does Sony know of every single purchase?"

They're the ones making them and tracking what's going out their doors and what's sitting on shelves. Stores keep inventory data which is relayed back to Sony.

Companies take their Beginning on Hand numbers, factor in inventory received, take their End of Month stock, report it back to Sony and boom...you've just figured out your sell through figures. Retailers and manufacturers have been doing this for years. That data isn't usually public knowledge because really, what business is it of anyone's but the parties involved?

There's no mystery here. Ask anyone that has worked inventory for a retail chain and they'll tell you stock levels are often communicated back to manufacturers.

And I wasn't defensive. You asked a question regarding NPD. I answered it as you seemed to be confused as to what NPD reports entailed. If you didn't want an answer, why did you ask the question?

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uth111147d ago

I wouldn't say the console itself is a blunder, but the name of the console is!

Pogmathoin1147d ago

This should get me lots of bubbles..... Will just post this in anything where Xbox is mentioned.... I see it working for some.....
- Sells more hardware in North America
- Sells more hardware in Europe
- Sells more hardware Worldwide
- Sells more software in North America
- Sells more software in Europe
- Sells more software Worldwide
- Runs all multiplatform games better
- Has more games displaying in 1080p
- Has more stable framerates
- Has more games in development
- Has more exclusives being developed by 1st party
- More F2P
- More Indies
- More Interest
- Highest rated games in 2014
- Most games releasing in 2014

LazyGoron1147d ago

Well it makes sense in an article that speaks unfavorably about an X1, but if you posted that in a FH2 or Sunset Overdrive article, it would be kind of... douchebag-like

Pocker1147d ago

they never said xbox one was a blunder because it isn't selling well. They were just saying that they backed down on many features they said were required. It is a very good point that it hurt the game developers who have used kinect as a major feature in their game.

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SkullBlade1691147d ago

I think that the Atari Jaguar has to be one of the worst ones. It could hardly even compete against the 32x when it comes to graphical quality.

Halcyon141147d ago

The Sega Dreamcast, simply because it was so easy to pirate games on it.

hankmoody1147d ago

The PS3 coming out at the price that it did was pretty bad. And then the arrogance behind the price reveal, where they basically said that people will get a second job to pay for it... I know they turned me off to it and a few other people.

jts18911147d ago (Edited 1147d ago )

This. The PS3's release was one of the biggest blunders ever. Sony went from selling 146 million units with the PS2, to 82.5 million units with the PS3. For all the people who rag on the X1, it will probably maintain Microsoft's share of the market at the very least.

DeadlyOreo1147d ago

I agree with the fact that Sony dropped the ball on the PS3's release.

Microsoft will certainly not maintain it's share of the market that it gained with the 360. 360 came out strong, a lot of interest and a year before the PS3 released, I believe the Xbox One will struggle to sell even half as well.

hankmoody1147d ago

Anyone who doesn't see that as a blunder or misstep of some sort... has already given us disagrees! Woohoo!

Why o why1147d ago (Edited 1146d ago )

Maybe some disagree because you made false statements which tie in neatly with your, lets say, dislike or apprehension towards sony. The ps3 was dumb expensive but it had a blu ray drive built in along with mem card readers, hdmi and 5.0 wifi increasing the cost. Lets not forget the ps3 was the cheapest br player available for quite a while.

The 'two jobs' thing will never be let go by the misinformed. Instead of quoting the full statement you've used tabloid type paraphrasing. His actual statement suggested he wanted people to desire the product that much that they would want to get a second job to pay for it. Ill thought through all the same but not as stupid as some continue to project.

Although I hear what you're saying about the price, I wouldn't call it bad because we now have proof that it sold faster than the 360 since it clawed back a 8-10 million deficit from the year + headstart it gave the 360. In comparison to the ps2 it was less than great, definitely but in the grand scheme of things it was ok and from all accounts its still selling.

I believe the wii u fudged it up worse than sony did with the ps3. Now if you want to compare the success of the previous to the current, then there's your ultimate fumble.

The x1's reveal must also go down as a major c*ck up. The deception, the silence, adam orth, the policies, mandatory kinect, us only centric services, that arrogance. C'mon now. They're still trying to recover and run the risk of losing their 1 main region to their competitor. Despite that I've gotta give it to ms though....nintendo fell off without any of the dramas ms had to deal with and seem like they'll be surpassed by microsofts console. Madness

Do you own an x1, I ask because if pr statements and the price of the ps3 turned you off, I can only imagine what drm, always online, mandatory camera, higher price and weaker hardware done for your libido.

morganfell1147d ago

If anyone chose the Xbox 360 over the PS3 because of price, please tell me since launch what you have paid to own your 360 + play multiplayer on the 360 for the past 8 years. Have a nice day.

Utalkin2me1147d ago

All i have to say to people saying Ps3 was a blunder cause of price.

Blu-ray
Hdmi
Wireless
Rechargeable controllers
Bigger HDD

We all know that the 360 was the biggest tech failure in history with it's 50%+ failure rate.

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SolidDuck1147d ago

I understand why people say the ps3 launch was bad. I also think those same people forget how expensive blu ray players were at the time. I was looking into to getting one at the time, the cheapest one at the time was $700, and that was a bare bones no wifi or apps like netflix blu ray player.

Hercules1891147d ago

I wouldn't call something like bluray a must have product at the time it came out.

Spotie1147d ago

Excellent failure, hank.

How about looking up the actual quote, which tells nobody to get a second job?

How about looking at the price of comparable devices when the PS3 launched?

How long are you and others gonna keep trying to rewrite history to suit your tastes?