The long-awaited consoles are finally here, but are they as powerful as gamers hoped? Or have these new systems proven unable to wow the public?
Honestly not really because I was expecting 1080p 60fps on all games
Maybe not with the XBone but PS4 is certainly the most powerful console, games like Killzon, inFAMOUS, DriveClub, the Order, Uncharted 4 prove it Also a big selling point for the PS4 that MS can't beat is that all 3rd party games are better on the PS4, and they can all be even better if they didn't get held back by the XBox "pairaty clause"
I will put it as easy as this: Uncharted 4 A Thief's End (1080p/60fps) it met my expectations and im sure when its out + Quantic Dream + Sony Santa Monica my expectations will be a history! A man called Jack Tretton ones said: the best is yet to come.
I think the PS4 is adequate. The XBO isn't quite there, but it would still be a solid choice if the PS4 didn't exist. The Wii U is obviously a bit of a letdown, from the 3rd party perspective, but Nintendo is doing some great things with the hardware. But for the price you can't be the PS4. It's basically a R9 270-. Which means GPU wise the only better options are the R9 270 and 270x (which wouldn't be huge improvements), the R9 280 and 280x (which would be a decent bump up) and the R9 290 and 290x (which would give you 1080p @ 60fps on everything with optimizations). However, the R9 270 alone is $180 ($150 w. rebate), and the 290x is $400+ and only runs cool with the tri-fan models which are $500+. So for the money the PS4 is a great deal.
i expected PS4 to be very powerful but i realise that i have been underestimating so much after the last Uncharted trailer. b...but Ryse?
Fact is games are getting more demanding. It's not like all the games are still using the same engine as old gen. I'm sure Devs can achieve 1080p / 60 FPS if all they did was up the resolution and use the same old engine. But fact is Devs rather push the console by using new game engines such as Cry Engine 3, Frostbite 3, Ignite, Fox Engine, Unreal Engine 4, ETC... Shoot I got a pretty decent PC and I'm starting to notice a rise in demand for 1080p/60 FPS @ High/Ultra on newer titles. I got a GTX 770 FYI. The consoles are what they are, and as time goes by they will be highly optimized. It's said they are about 10x stronger than previous gen. Sure some games aren't 60 FPS and 1080p. But as time goes by we will probably hit some of that. Here are some notable games aiming for that 60 FPS / 1080P : BF Hardline, AC Unity, Evolve, Batman AK, MGS V PP, The Last of Us, Uncharted 4 and GTA V. That said I do believe some of the games won't meet the target, but I'm still hopeful. All I'm trying to say is don't get caught up in these numbers, games can look and run great even if it's not 60 FPS/1080p. But I do understand that it would be sweet to hit that target, especially the 60 FPS. Lower resolution doesn't matter that much IMHO. The Frame Rate is what's really important. Steady 30 or 60 is what matters.
@Lincoln_6_Echo No secret that developers get held back by the lowest common dominator The higher resolution/frame rate on PS4 games happen without developers even trying, if they did take advantage of PS4 hardware the difference will be even bigger, things like textures, lighting AA and other post processing effects can be much better if developers are allowed to take advantage.
Isn't this like the first time affordable PC's are more powerful from the start?
PS4 is not as powerful as I expected either, just a little better than X1. I was expecting both to be around $500-$600 and have 8gb GDDR3 or 5 for JUST Gaming, A 1.5ghz minimum GPU, 2ghz or faster CPU and a 500gb SSD. It could have been done and both systems would be running every game at 1080p 60fps and fast loading times. I did not ask for a gaming computer (16gb DDR3, 4gb VRAM, AMD 7990 Crossfire, Intel i7 Overclocked, etc.) but they both were underwelming when specs were announced :/ The bright side is in 5 years, the games will be beautiful as devs max these badboys out!
These fanboys are too funny. He also said 1080p @60fps not just gfx none of those games are. How do y'all PS fanboys get all these bubz showing how messed up this site is. And how xbone is holding back ps4 when ps4 have better settings and res or frame rate.
Playing games like Killzone Shadow Fall, Tomb Raider Definitive Edition and Infamous Second Son on my PS4 I would have to say that the graphical output has easily met my expectations. Those games are amazing looking, especially for being launch games. I personally think some people have unrealistic expectations. 1080p and 60fps in addition to a massive leap in graphics was never going to happen.
Does that mean Nintendo fans must be quiet then?
@starchild Uncharted 4
The way I see it. The Xbox One should have been at the same level as the PS4 is right now and do 1080p all the time. The PS4 on the other hand should have been 2 times stronger than what it is and easily do constant 1080p 60fps. But hey, both consoles are strong enough for most consumers that own 1080p HD TVs. HD TVs took a long while before they even were "main-stream". It took at least 5 years just to get it mainstream and another 10 years to be widely adopted. PC technology and pricing being what they are today; these are the consoles we've got.
NewMonday in reply to your Quality over Quantity reply from another article I have PS4 PSN WilDRangeRfc and Xbox One XLive WilD RangeR RFC so I get more quality and quantity than you PEACE
Both MS and Sony short-changed us this gen, especially MS who charged more for less. Ok lets hypothesize a little... How hard is to make an announcement saying "ok we have the specs and prices for 2 variations for each ps5/xbox4. One is mid range level at $400 and the other is High-end at $600(based on 2020 standards). Now if we manage to get say 3 million non-refundable pre-orders on the high end machine we will release it. Alternatively we will go with the cost effective option." See?Just a quick idea... Easy! leave the option to the consumer and avoid all this backlash.
It's too soon to debate debate power.
Yes if you play on Pc simple;)
not really cause exclusive wise i cant judge vs pc mutliplats are the only place to draw that conclusion
PC is not a next gen console. And depending on the PC, it could be better, worse or just as good as a console, since they're not all built equally.
ya agreed... I honestly thought that discussions about 1080p and 60fps would not even a consideration at this point. Yet here we are, and almost every game there seems to be some talk about how it's still not hitting those numbers. Ok I get that by targgeting 30fps over 60fps, they are able to do a lot more....but I thought the whole point to these machines was that devs could do whatever "more" it was they had in mind and still do magic numbers and even have some juice left over. I mean that was the way it sounded at the time. I also get that "it takes time to learn the new machines etc" but again, wasn't that the whole point to making them so PC like in architecture ? Just my layman observations as a gamer based on the way these machines were hyped.
This is the problem with today's community. You only get 60fps on PC because you either have the expensive cards pushing all the fx, or you have a mid range card and drop some of the effects, while keeping 60fps.etc, also rez/aa/ are factors. If a Dev wants to Get 60fps on a Console game, it's the same thing. Either Drop some fx, or drop rez. So Basically every game could be 1080p 60fps. If you don't understand this, you have no reason being here.
I get over 150 FPS on my PC ultra settings on most games. But thanks for saying something you know nothing about.And I dont hav a $700 Gfx card.
@pennywhyz Even with my 780 Ti card I STILL suffer some fps drops or need to play in lower settings or rez to achieve a solid frame rate on some of my demanding PC games. 150 FPS with ultra settings on MOST of your games and you don't have a $700 Gfx card? You are either playing your game in the lowest rez possible OR "most" of your games are indie 8-bit games. In short,you are trolling or lying.
That is why many are disappointed with these consoles. They can't at least do what the *current* and soon to be outdated PCs can do. I know it is about cost. If they were made more powerful everyone would moan about price. Now they are cheap but weak everyone complains about low res and/or low FPS. Personally I would have paid an extra $200 to have a better console. If it means it will be relevant longer it is worth it to not have to upgrade again so soon.
I thought that the graphics will almost be very similar to PC for at least first 2 years, but it wasn't. Watch Dogs PS4 vs PC was very different to the point the it had to be downgrade badly on the console
Not quite sure the PS4 was the reason for the downgrade. XBOXONE has alot less power. Has cheaper shadows. Also Watchdogs had major problems with alot of PC'S stuttering, glitching. slowdown. I have it on PC. It's a decent game. But Infamous ss looks better.
I have Watch Dogs on PC and Infamous Second Son for my PS4 and they each do some things better than the other. There is no clear winner between those two games. How can you say this: https://pbs.twimg.com/media... looks better than this: http://doope.jp/media/14q2/... ? They both excel in different areas.
@starchild That is a bad pic of I:SS but a good one of modded WD on PC. Kind of unfair, PC will always be better. I have both too on PS4 but the low res of WD is bad. Then I:SS has much better particle and light source effects. Try this for Infamous: http://i.imgur.com/AzDVrD5.... No cheatin'!
Yes, for a console really getting started in 2014 there should have been the raw-power of pulling out 1080p and solid fps. And the visuals should be great at that resolution too. Things like quality anti aliasing should be standard in most games. But I think we are on a pretty good way. The PS4 has great games and they will improve even more. Same goes for Xbox One. It will get better. But will it last on the long run when games getting more visually stunning or complicated? Well, I don't know but exclusive-game on each console will make the difference.
At the point that the consoles released my PC was probably ~6x more powerful. Certainly the GPUs are that much better. MS and Sony both shot for a low price point rather than packing in power. It is obviously the right decision in business terms, but I would have been more than happy to throw down £500 for better hardware, which would be more in line with previous generations... Still, they are what they are. A huge step up from the 360/PS3, and devs will make the best of them to give us some outstanding games.
I agree with you. Ps4 for its time is a lot less powerfull then ps3. Ps3 was a 800$ machine sold for 600 that was equivalent to a high end pc in 2005. Ps4 is a 350$ machine sold for 400$ and is preaty much a low end pc... the leap isnt as big as people expected
1080p 60fps minimum*
1080p 60 fps is what we would all want as the minimum, however reality slaps us in the face and says not for 400 and 500 dollars. What we expected and reality are two separate things, at $400 i knew 1080p @60 wasn't happening. Although i wouldn't mind 1080p being standardized but i'm not holding my breath.
I don't think it works that way. We could get 1080p/60fps if the developers would choose to do that. If the new consoles would be more powerful the developers would just increase the visual setting even higher but still maintain 30fps in many games...It really bothers me that people haven't figured this out yet.
They meet my expectations. I'm not expecting anything major out of hardware that's only $400.
No one familiar with PC gaming could have expected a lot of games to be 1080p60fps on $400 late-2013 hardware.
I expected 1080p30fps for most games; as usual, developers are more concerned about pretty screenshots than achieving 60fps. And fine by me, I've never taken issue with 30fps; even on PC I set it up to be as pretty as possible while getting about 30fps. So I'm satisfied. ~90% Ps4 games are 1080p30fps+.
... even the PS4, which is technically the most powerful 'next-gen' console that's out right now, was said to be (at least) 10 times more powerful than the PS3, so honestly I was expecting quite a big leap... ... especially as both next-gen consoles (XBO and PS4) were rumored to be easy to develop for, and also quite similar.... ... so it's a bit surprising when you see games like Watch Dogs and (rumoured) The Division 'downgraded' for these next-gen consoles. It's not a huge deal to me, cause I'm not a graphics whore, plus I favour visual DESIGN and STYLE over specs and stats, but when you look at how long last-gen lasted (360 and PS3), and you now see these next-gen consoles already struggling to keep up with new PC's, it just kinda makes you afraid that this generation might be quite a bit shorter...
keep up with new pcs in multiplats which only developers know if they are trying their best none of us do
The problem is they're dumbing down PC games like we saw with WatchDogs because they're trying to make things somewhat uniform across the three platforms. Which is dumb in my opinion. Here is what the game looks like with many of the removed features re-applied via the mod community. http://doope.jp/media/14q2/... http://doope.jp/media/14q2/... http://doope.jp/media/14q2/...
The short answer is no. The long answer for anyone that gives half a care about it is that this is the safest generation of consoles we've had. The PS3 in it's early days nearly destroyed Sony with it's $600 price tag and terrible developer support. The Xbox 360 fared a bit better but lost steam towards the end. The PS4 and Xbox One are both less than what both developers and gamers were expecting them to be. The 8 GB of RAM is a nice touch, but they're both going to be crippled by their computational abilities as games grow more complex. Both machines are using the same kind of APU, which essentially boils down to both of them being repurposed laptops from 2011. The good news is that there's enough in both of them for developers to achieve their visions and not be constrained by tiny blocks of memory like last gen. Developer tools will continue to get better, and the more persistent developers (and the ones closest to the hearts of the console manufacturers) will be forced to squeeze every last drop of power out of these machines in order to get them to run modern games at decent frame rates and resolutions. This generation will also be shorter than the last, as there's no reason for either company to drag it out for 7+ years.
I disagree. MOST gamers(COD, Candy Crush, Angry Birds players) don't even know what 8GB of RAM is. How can you say these same gamers were expecting "more" when most of them don't even know what they currently have?
I was referring more to the vocal gaming community. i.e., people that lurk and post on gaming websites.
RAM size doesn't matter if you can't process what's inside it fast enough to display it how you want...
I don't think the question here is whether gamers expect better specs or not. This is about the actual results in games. I also am disappointed that all games aren't 1080p 60fps.
To be fair, I was pretty impressed by the fact that games like Skyrim, GTAV, TLoU, etc were running on two 8 year old systems with less than 512mb of RAM in 720p. And you're right, with newer and better developer tools, games will continue to look better. Compare Gears 3 vs 1, or Uncharted 3 vs 1 on the same static hardware. So by the way some of these first wave of next-gen games are already looking, I'm pretty excited for the future.
It's because console-only owners tend to be cheap yet expect $1000 performance from a $400 console.
I've gotten what I wanted with the PS4. 1080p standard, great graphics, proper multitasking and very quick response times. Could the system have been better? Yeah, of course. But I'm still very satisfied with the system, especially at such a great price. And while 1080p/60fps would be awesome for every game, it's pretty obvious that even if the PS4 were twice as fast developers would still opt for 30fps in order to push for better graphics. I mean look at these graphics. https://pbs.twimg.com/media... https://pbs.twimg.com/media... https://pbs.twimg.com/media... https://pbs.twimg.com/media... These are compressed pics from Twitter that I took on my own PS4, and they still look great. The systems only been out for 7 months and we're already seeing some pretty big improvements over last gen. As engines mature and developers get more experience, the system will truly start to shine.
I'm happy with my PS4. Only three things I can complain about is the lack of a Youtube app, HBO Go, and a media center...all things that will be coming in several months I hope. Uncharted 4 (right now) is the best looking console game ever IMO and its not even finished yet. If this is possible less than a year after the PS4s launch, idk how anyone can complain, especially at such a great price point.
Logic wins, indeed.
because its so easy to complain i suppose. i love my ps4
whats the best looking game in your opinion?
Yeah, they did say the YouTube app will be out by the end of the year. Not sure when HBO Go will come out though.
"Uncharted 4 (right now) is the best looking console game ever IMO" Everyone was saying things like that about Watchdogs. It isn't "right now" until it's, at least, in the hands of reviewers. I hope it is but Watchdogs has shown that, even with actual game footage, it can still change. Devs will always want to show their game in the best possible light. I don't believe that they want to pull the wool over anyone's eyes but sometimes they're put between a rock and a hard place once they get further in to development. Since then I am sceptical of any amazing looking game on a console. I'll wait until I have it in my hands, here's hoping because it does look amazing.
Except it's not 1080p standard. There are about a half dozen of the small PS4 library of games that are below that. Worst of all, games have been slightly dumbed down in order for them to maintain playable frame rates @ 1080p. Most of the dumbing down is subtle. Like lower texture, shadow, and light filtering and the level of detail at distance. If the game is running 1080p on either console, while not looking as good as the PC version of the game (so far no multiplat console game equals the PC version), that is definitive proof both consoles are underpowered. Sony was so desperate to portray the PS4 as being a 100% 1080p console that they even flat out lied to EVERYONE about the resolution in Killzone Shadowfall. That had to have been so far the biggest bold-faced lie of this generation. Well... that and Ubisoft claiming Watch Dogs wasn't downgraded. lol
1080p is in fact the standard on PS4. Standard doesn't mean every single title is 1080p, it means almost all of them. BF4 and Watch Dogs don't display in 1080p, but pretty much everything else does.
They are exactly as powerful as I expected, but then again I didn't overhype them. If anything Uncharted 4 suprised me.
Xbox One yes, I don't feel the same about my PS4. Still enjoying my PS3 though.
Your not a nice person
so i just bought an xbox one today because me and my cousin were arguing as to what console was better. The ps4 (my pick) or the xbox one (his pick) first off im returning the thing this weekend because quite frankly its pathetic. It took five hours to get dead rising 3 ready to go (at 60% mind you) the ps4 installs games double the size in less than a minute. And we couldnt even get ten minutes into the game because the area didnt even load up. The ui is shaky, the voice commands are sub par, and you cant even download multiple things at once. That thing is hardly next gen and i really feel bad for those that actually trust microsoft after putting out a shit console like the xbox one. Its my opinion but after today i feel a hell of alot better going with the ps4. Oh my god and dont even get me started about the internet connection. Using fios all we could get was 23 mbs download with a 102ms latency. Don mattrick single handedly annihilated any chance for that console to be viable against the ps4
Trolling Edit: apparently a couple people actually believe you.
@superblunt We should trust you? I could say the same about psnow.... Latency lag etc.... Even with. 50mbps connection
So according to you the ps4 can install 38 gig in less than a minute or are you talking about pre - load times on ps4 which is only a percentage of the game
SuperBlunt take out the bl and add a c. Because your a big lying one.
Had the same problem with install times. Got the titanfall bundle. I picked up dead rising 3 to play while titanfall was downloading. Dead rising took around 5 hours till I could play. Same thing with ryse it took 3 1/2 hours. I'm gonna keep mine for the Xbox exclusives. Sunset overdrive looks really fun
You're so full of crap. I own both consoles and the Xb1 is nothing like you described. Seriously, get a life.
This console cycle has just started. No one has even seen more than 50% of what these machines can do. Infamous second son has only scratched the surface. I think there's a lot more to come. I took these with photo share. http://t.co/gIjyPAcPrn http://t.co/3O3SKM2V9m http://t.co/nkGdsrxwYL http://t.co/iTL8cp0A9s http://t.co/1EBjDoYV81 http://t.co/2fpoeKTphW