The mainstream press continues to dismiss gaming journalists as individuals who are merely “playing” at being professionals. It’s discouraging.
Well, Medical field is still in "practice" after all... So I guess game journalists can "play" and get payed.
Well, I would assume these people say the same things about movie critics. It is a convoluted industry it seems. There are those big name critics that are recognized by loads of people. Then those that start up a blog on their own and label themselves journalists. But everyone has to start from somewhere, so I dont think its fair to belittle them
Hardly , there are professionals in the movie industry , even if we dont have to agree with them . There have been very few , in the video game journalism and reviewing world , for bloggers to truly ruins . I actually happened to know a former writer , then editor , for a proeminent EU based game magazine from the 90s ... And his credentials and CV werent exactly journalist , even obituaries , material . He needed the cash , played a few games , he knew someone from the direction , he got in mostly because he already owned much needed consoles they couldnt provide in huge amounts for reviews and previews . And things havent exactly changed today , except better amateur got at least a shot at proving their worth online with blogs
Whh-whhh-what? You do not think it is correct to slam people that intentionally damage the efforts of companies and thus our hobby, for the sake of webhits and self promotion? I love how many people on this site must be under the age of 30. They are too young to remember what it was like when game reviews were not just a collection of slobbering opinions. They never experienced an organization that hasd printed standards on how they graded, or when the review was actually the amalgamation of takes from 5 - 6 people in the office that played the game. Nor did such youngsters ever read reviews that were picked over by a stern editor in chief that removed as much opinion as possible and insured there was a fair, objective take on the title.
Except i'm from that era you speak off , and i feel you and others are blinded by nostalgia .But i'll be probably remain in a minority Things did get worse , just like it did for journalism in many fields , as a whole . However newsfeed had plenty decade to display professionalism , while i feel videogame journalist barely even had time and a chance to exist . The internet and sensationalism took it by the storm to soon for it to be well organized . I had a bleak outlook on the field then , based on my experience and sh*t i saw , mine remains bleak and possibly even darker . i'm just saying that amateurism is available now "at least" to anyone with a net and website hosting accesses , instead of some exclusive club with posers . They are irrelevant to my hobby regardless
No. I have taken the nostalgia effect into consideration. It is one of the reasons I do not think much of games such as Goldeneye. Although I enjoyed it for its time and it indeed broke ground, I see it for what it is and what it was. The same with game reviews. I recognize latecomers such as trash editors like Dan Hsu. He came after the age of which I speak. I have stacks of magazines still from that bygone era and looking at those reviews you see not only a balanced approach but also one lacking in what sometimes comes off as pure angst and hatred in this day and age. Individuals write as if they have been personally assaulted. Juvenile. I can look at both the recorded as well as unwritten standards from those years. I will concede that none had as effective and thorough a set of published standards as I would have liked. Quite honestly two full pages are necessary to effectively relate how the grading system functions, to what is awarded weight and where one might detract from a score. It is not too late. A few people are working quietly behind the scenes as we speak to assemble an effective site that will once again embrace a degree of professionalism in journalism that has been as of late quite absent. It is journalism that serves the gaming demographic rather than the writers themselves. Articles will be assembled by journalists that are aware games are far more important than the reviewer and exist in an industry about which one writes, but does not actually work. These individuals are aware you are writing for the public and not one's self.
I just see the past differently . It's not the first time i look back at old magazines from USA , UK and France , and shake my head in dissmay . Of course i'm biased . The most shoddy works often involved import games and genres i love , that werent the most popular , with reviews that could bother getting game facts straight . Often a few jrpgs and quirky titles , way before FF7 had its break out mainstream success . In conclusion anyway , sure they gave more exposure and pages to games , and things were indeed better . And i was disgusted when back in the day i saw the trend from the like of IGN , or doing a one page or one paraph review , devoid of any substance , take the net by the storm . And in most cases , they did a better job at displaying enthusiasm (or in a few cases faking it) toward gaming . But , to me , it was just that , better than the gaming press of our era , but not really good either
In the truly great days we barely had internet and were still moving from the BBS. IGN? What the hell was that. They were no one, a blip when they were founded in the mid 90s.
Who's claiming to be a professional? They just write reviews and hope people like their opinions.
Kotaku always claim to be professional journalists, but then when they get a hint of backlash for something they suddenly become just bloggers.
While there are some great video game journalists out there, the majority of them are not professional at all. They steal stories and don't give credit to the original site/author, don't bother proof-reading a damn thing, and far too often they bring personal bias into their "professional" reviews. If you're writing an opinion piece and you're biased, that's one thing. But when you judge a product you need to judge it on its own merits, not what you wanted the game to be or how it stacks up to your favourite game.
You can say that about any entertainment/ tech criticism that's on the internet and on print publications. Reviews are 70 percent personal opinion pieces and 30 percent objective legit technical faults the game has pieces. Reading reviews for games, in my opinion, is useless because games is an immersive artform. I don't understand how video game critics are any lower than film critics or music critics. The way I determine if I will like any game is still by reading a bunch of reviews from reviewers that usually share my taste in games and then watch more gameplay and trailers to make my final decision. I've played games that got burned by critics that I absolutely enjoyed and I've played games that were so praised by critics that I scratch my head wondering how they thought it was good. In the end, go read a bunch of reviews and stick to the guys that share your tastes.
" how video game critics are any lower than film critics or music critics." Because while it will always be flawed and subjective opinions in various degrees , there are actual professional that stick to their set of standards and ethics . You dont see that a lot in gaming press . It's apparent already in the degree of intel searching and fact checkings about the games they reviews To review a film, you'd think one needs to have a good sense of the film industry, the history of film and especially the genre they’re reviewing, and a reasonable sense of the politics and pop culture of the day. You see a lot of reviewers from the most known site that proves they dont have much in terms of videogames history and experience , and dont try to make up for it . You dont see as often movie or tv critics plainly get intels anf facts wrong about the plot or content of said movies . This happens a lot in game reviews
What sites in particular are you talking about that lack video game history knowledge or any of the other things you listed?
Easy places , like Gamespot , IGN , gamespy , , Jeuxvideo.fr , Joystiq , 1up (once upon a time) , Gametrailers , PCgamers , Edge ...and sigh , Kotaku and Polygon , to name the big ones Of course it vastly varies on who's employed and when ... but you'll notice that almost none of the big names will look positive from my outlook and experience . Too many punctual cases reeking of amateurism , when not corruption , involving those . Mind you , I dont even wanna discuss perceived bias , that's another irrelevant matter
Well, a daily visit to n4g pretty much turns the mainstream press's opinion into an undeniable fact. 90%+ of the articles that get approved on this site are bad enough to make one weap for humanity. For example, the article titled "Game Critics Aren't Professionals, They Just Pretend To Be" is a prime example of one of n4g's many articles worthy of being classified as a digitized turd.
weep for humanity over video games? I love my games but I think that's going a little overboard.
"90%+ of the articles that get approved on this site are bad enough to make one weap for humanity" The poor quality of articles makes people weap, not videos games. Overboard? sure, but he/she didn't say what you claimed they did. Reading comprehension ftw
negativity ftl, games are about fun regardless of how smart you are, most of you dummies act like your scientist, get a life. lol
Stuff like this annoys me, because there are websites that hold themselves to higher standards. Not to toot my own horn, but we have every article checked before its published, reviews are first based on the quality of a game over someone's opinion, and the look and feel of the site is something that is incredibly important. Then again, we've never said were professionals at it either. Lumping everyone that writes about games into the same pool isn't exactly fair. There's good websites out there, it's up to the people who come to mine to determine that much, but most people go to those websites that create flashy headlines, write pointless opinionated articles to stir up controversy and so on. Sure, making money for what we do is great and I love what I do as a part-time thing, but comments like the first comment on this article just bug me. There's no criticism, just a plainly stupid comment worth no value. If you want things to improve, don't act like a child. Go to the websites and critique them, things might not change right away, but complaining about it here doesn't help anyone and writing comments like that, sorry to say it, makes people look ridiculously unintelligent.
Going to the sites is useless, too. Frankly, there's almost nothing that can be done at this point, short of dropping use of gaming journalism altogether. The problem is that these places all have followers who will keep the owners and maintainers of these sites thinking they're doing alright. And as long as they write crap that generates traffic, why would they change anything? To be sure, there are some out there who can be labeled as professionals. But they are few and far between now, and the general image is one of the fanboy as blogger.
If you dropped gaming journalism all together that wouldn't fix a single thing. Then people wouldn't have reviews to go to for guidance on purchases and we'd hear complaints about that.
With sites like Gamespot, Kotaku and Polygon, for sure they are not professionals. But there are good journalists, not on these sites, of course.
when AAA games all are getting 9s and 10s these days its hard to trust em
To be fair, there isn't a lot of professionalism in any form of entertainment journalism. Even the news has laughable standards at times.
game critics are just whatever..we never had this kind of stupidity before in the 80's-90's..its you yourself who decide if you love it or hate it..this is why we see lots of developers lay offs left and right, company closing etc..game critics are much worse than we thought yeah they provide points of view but most of us rely on what they said and we never had the chance to experience what they did like and didnt like on that particular game they review..this is just sad, thats why we are getting price hike on our videogames nowadays..less story more dlc's, preorder bonus to blind us to buy game earlier and many more..sigh
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