Sony is charging a lot for its new PlayStation Now service. Here's why it's fair.
Any company can charge whatever they want for any product... Will it sell? Now that's the question Sonys pricing has doomed this to fail unless they get back to the real world before launch
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Well, since we should all be fully aware that the current prices are not final, I fail to see how anything is doomed.
@georgeenoob are you a mod on this site because i have looked at all your comments on here and they are ALL h8ing on Sony and praising MS i have seen people banned for stating facts about sony on here but you state bullshit about MS all the time and never get in trouble for it why is that ?
Just hoping the pricing structure is adjustable based on whether or not something is selling or not.
Saw the prices and I'm kinda disappointed, they need to change that asap.
They have different price points for different games this could be depending on the game age or lenth or something like that or maybe they are testing which games prices get rented the most for example if the games with the price point of $2.99 for a few hours $5.99 for 7 days $15.99 for a month then like $20 to $25 for the 90 days those prices seem fair to me and there are some games listed at those prices
Why should age or game length matter to price? It's all just data. That would mean people who love RPG's will end up having to pay a higher price than people who like single player FPS games.
Still, the point is to make a profit.
But if your expenses are so high that the price you have to pass onto the consumer is a burden... why even offer it in the first place?
But we don't know what PSNow's expenses are. There may be an idea of how much its cost to get it to the stage it is, but daily operating costs are another thing. Sony is trying to figure out the best balance for which they can recover costs and eventually show a profit, actually dumping a price and work from there, but in typical anti-leeway-ism the media isn't giving them a chance to change things before condemning it forever. @AnEwGuY: When MS was doing it they weren't showing anything. Only talking about the potential of Kinect or trusting them with DRM. I mean where Kinect was hyped for years before release, included with X1 and almost even made to be required and plugged in, with PSNow people are only acting as if the prices in its Beta are only set in stone.
@ Godmars290 But it was OK when everyone did exactly that to MS...and continue to criticize and mock them, even when they listen and make improvements/changes. Funny how that works... Fact is, the "old" Sony (pre-PS3 launch) is beginning to rear it's ugly head, and it's clear that they thought exactly like the article's author does...especially the title. Their smug attitude towards fan outcry over missing games from E3,or missing/delayed games in general,and their continued gloating over their early PS4 success, which was literally handed to them by MS, are obvious signs that they didn't learn from past mistakes. This generation is NOT going to be the cakewalk for Sony that everyone...including Sony...thinks it will be, if they don't start listening to criticism, and show some humility.
Ignoring the whole MS v Sony (cause it literally has nothing to do with the topic). We may not know their operating costs, but if the prices are indicative of them then this service will go down like the Hindenburg. However I have to say I don't see many media outlets "condeming it forever" but rather saying that if these prices aren't lowered than this will not work. See it's a thing in the industry known as "criticism". We usually levy this at things we want changed. "But it's a Beta!!!!" Exactly why we're letting them know now. If those prices come down to a reasonable amount then I will probably buy myself a PSTV (W/e that 99$ box thing is called) and rent the big PS4 exclusives until I can buy the PS4 itself.
"But we don't know what PSNow's expenses are" But we do know that Onlive's expenses left them bankrupt (having to shut down and start a new company called Onlive, then selling themselves for next to nothing considering the assets involved). They probably don't have much choice but to have high prices to profit. But then if not enough people use it, they still won't profit. I've said it a million times; server-based game streaming business models aren't profitable and they don't leave gamers with the best possible experience. No one wins.
@Godmars and Fireseed Since it is a streaming service, I don't know why Sony doesn't follow Neflix's model or something similar to it. First off, they should NEVER (<< I can't make that big or bold enough) let publishers dictate pricing. Publishers are f-ing leeches and if you give them an inch with pricing, they won't just take a mile, they'll take the damn globe. Second, they can just as easily flat rate the pricing on a per month basis and have tiered plans that give you access to a rolling set number of games each month. Basically you could have a set queue size that a PSNow subscriber can fill with so many titles until either they remove access to some titles in their queue or increase their tier level (say 2-3 game tier, 4-6, and 7-10, unlimited time as long as you're paying for the monthly sub). Think of it as a hybrid of Netflix Disc-Rental and Streaming services.
I too think people are getting a little too up in arms about PSNow's pricing and completely forgetting that this is NOT a finished, polished product yet. Sony wants as much feedback as possible. Of course initially they are stating that they want to leave rental pricing up to the content holders to decide on, but you, I and many others agree this is a horrible idea as there is no check and balance between what publishers are going to charge leading to disparities between different publishers, developers, and even game types. People need to keep doing what they are doing and speak up about this issue because Sony really is listening to the feedback. Microsoft's DRM fiasco last year is proof in the pudding that Sony listens to consumers' voices and interests. PSNow is by all means a revolutionary new idea. Yes, it is in the same vein as what ONLive was attempting to do, but PSNow goes one step further than ONLive of being both platform/device independent on the content AND device ends of the equation. We are talking about a service that allows PSP, PSVita (limited), and PS3 (maybe PS4 in the future) games to be played and streamed to devices that are different from those platforms and some, like Bravia TVs, RADICALLY different. This is the revolutionary part! PSNow has TONS of potential and so long as pricing and service quality are "up to snuff" once the product sees the true light of day, I really think it could take off and open the doors for all new innovations in the gaming industry. With my personal experience with the Beta, lag and latency have been VERY minor issues. I think the people with high bandwidth connections that are having major problems with these issues are either playing over WiFi on their home networks (which ANY online gamer will tell you is a bad idea and not only from a networking point, but also in terms of controllers) and/or they have a "bad apple" gateway between their internet service provider and Sony's PSNow servers (this is completely out of the user's control and partially out of Sony's control -- at least for the Beta). For the latter issue, better distribution of servers worldwide can reduce collisions with choked up internet backbone access points, but for the Beta period that kind of early investment is just not financially possible -- this is something you want to leave until MUCH closer to a soft-launch of the final product once all the policies are finally set in stone for the service and consumers have shown true interest in a long term investment.
MS's reaction to the DRM mess is not a good example of a company listen, since they only started listening to months of complaints the day after they saw pre-order numbers. As for Sony its pretty apparent that by general reaction they should have done better research before serious commitment - done surveys, taken those results to publishers if they going to be given any say, then decide a median with further room for fine tuning - but gamer reaction is coming off as too strong. As if whatever changes Sony make it wont be enough.
A key element for determining price is to figure out what is the maximum they can charge to get a large number of people to buy it. At its current price structure, it's simply too high for a large enough demographic to support it and lower prices might take "longer" to turn a profit, but you have to ask yourself what makes more sense... Like 8 people buying a 4 hour trial for $.99 or 1 person buying a 4 hour trial for $5.99. In the end you'll probably get more people to test the product (how many people want to pay $3+ just to see what PlayStation Now is like?) and probably get more support if the prices were lower and thus probably turn a profit.
People is blowing this way out of proportion they are more than likely testing price points yet people want to act like this is not a beta how about you wait until something comes out before saying it is a failure yea some of the prices suck but it is a beta it is where they would test something like the prices so how about a lil bit of patience to see what they do Sony has been getting a lot of unwarranted hate lately like the idiots writing about Sony not giving them refunds for the last of us people was writing hate articles hours after the price drop didn't even give Sony 24 hours to make any changes or announce anything about refunds how about we give these companies a chance to respond before calling them out.
Everything can't be free. Little expensive but still it's worth the charge
Don't warp this; no one asked for it to be free. It's just quite expensive.
They can make it "fair" by making the prices much lower, or giving a 1 year subscription service where we can play all games available at a reasonable monthly price.
They can't do that. Sony doesn't own the game, or at least not all of them. There is no way the owners of the games let's gamers play all of their gamers as much as they want in return for a flat fee. Doing that would break the video game sales model.
Wow, I didn't know they were charging the beta testers.
They're not being compensated at all? I figured they'd at least get X free rentals to test the service. If they're charging them, how the hell is it a beta?
There are a few games on there that are still free (Space Ace comes to mind).
The games were free up until a few days ago I think they are done testing the service to a extent and now are testing price points. And the games I was able to download for free on both ps4 and ps3 are still free for me I was playing just last night because I heard about all the problems people were having but I am not having any of those issues really think it is peoples internet connection
The original beta was free. Now they're just testing the price structure. The service itself works like it's supposed to.
I'll just continue to go to redbox
Ill just continue with gamefly 3 games out for 28 dollars a month.. PS now is a rip off.
My Library has Xbox One and PS4 games. I can basically get any game I want for free for a week.
i havent even seen a library in a few years lol...pretty sad
Why do people write stupid articles like this? People keep noting that this is a beta and keep forgetting that the complaints are just feedback given through unofficial channels. Furthermore, certain issues tend to do better when they become a bigger issue (like this price issue is becoming) than a bunch of people complaining on the official PlayStation forum or blog. Also, lets not forget that many products have gone into LONG betas, like I believe PlayStation Home is still considered a beta or at least was for years. Anyway, lets not forget that the beta is now mostly charging people to use the service (thats why we have these prices!) and there needs to be feasibility in a pricing structure. For instance, look at the DriveClub price fiasco. Someone thought a $10 savings was enough to get people to both buy digitally (removing the ability to sell it later on) and obtain a version of the game that only works with a PlayStation Plus membership. On NO LEVEL does this make sense, yet someone sure thought it was a good idea and no one stopped him.
I understand the complaints about the price as saying they need to change bout time this comes out but for the most part the complaints are like PS now is a rip off from people like AutoCad now if they keep the price yea it can be a rip off but to not even wait to see if they keep this price structure and just flat out call it a rip off or a failure is premature and unwarranted it's people like that who ruin it and cause some people to never even try it out because they think these prices are real when it is a test and people voting with their wallets buy not renting these games in the beta will get the point across not crying about it on random websites cause I can bet that Sony will take notice from the people who are not renting anything before they listen to the cry babies and if you are going to complain go to the Sony blog and let them know there that is the only place they are going to check peoples reactions so crying on N4G is just a waste of time.
"just flat out call it a rip off or a failure is premature and unwarranted" Perhaps it's because I read so many articles off N4G, but jumping to conclusions, hypocritical stances, overreacting and lack of information are fairly stand staples for modern game journalists and to a degree commenters on N4G. For this reason I don't see why people are surprised, since it happens daily, nor do I see why this is special. "because they think these prices are real when it is a test" What about these prices aren't real? Sure, they aren't finalized, but if I want to play Catherine via Now, it will for realzies cost me $4 dollars or whatever. "people voting with their wallets buy not renting these games in the beta will get the point across" If you want the gods honest truth, it's hard to actually say. Yes, Sony will see people voting with their wallets, but the lack of sales does not simply imply the prices are too high. It could also mean... Selection is poor. I mean, there are only 34 games available, with 6/7 being former Plus titles (though most of these include the DLC and 1 was a former PS4 plus title.), 5 being ports, 1 game being a title that scored a 40 on MC, several extremely niche games (like farming simulator) and only 4/5 titles being free (low tier stuff like Alien Spidy, Order Up!!, Space Ace, etc). Said person does not care for Now. I tried streaming a game and despite the app saying "you can stream games at the highest possible quality," I still experienced lag. Nothing absurdly bad, but enough to make me not want to stream. They're doing other things. How many people get into a beta and then endlessly play the beta? etc In the end, the journalists will always jump to conclusions for easy views and only a fool would make their final call based off a beta. With that being said, I really don't think the pricing complaints are uncalled for, if only because someone thought these prices would fly. It's certainly troubling and I think thats where a lot of these comments are coming from.
It will come out at a price point that is the most profitable, it will be adjusted as that profitable price point shifts over the years. Rich people and fanatics first then moving down the poor scale as is common in business.
If they want a lot of people to use the service then no, they can't charge whatever they want.
Exactly, we will just vote with our wallets. Until price drops - are deemed fair.
Sure they can charge whatever they want but once they see that the numbers a low,they'll change their tune.
Looks like Pachter was right on this one. Playstation Now is going to fail or be effectively limited to just the titles owned by Sony. I say "effectively limited" because other publishers may list their games there, but they will be so over-priced that no one will buy them.
I can't wait to see what they announce as a subscription price. Fifty dollars a month? Based on single game rentals I'm not sure if it will even be that low.
They have every right to charge what they want, just as we have every right to not pay for it.
Sony aren't charging these prices though?
well, when ps now gets anything worth playing( while streaming no less), much less worth paying a ridiculous price, then the service will be something worthwhile. so far i've seen nothing even close to anything id try to play on my, one moment super fast internet, the next moment not so much. no thanks
"Sony is charging a lot for its new PlayStation Now service... " Story Quality? WTF? Like this Website? No. Prices aren't final, don't care how fair you think it is. And it's the publishers who set the prices, not Sony... so to say they can charge whatever they want is false trollbait.
Prices are absurd!
Sony could have a hit on their hands if they could just get the price structure right. Originally they made it sound like they were trying to be the Netflix of video games, but at the prices they are doing I find it unlikely. If they can at least get it to $50 a month then it should be ok, but if they can get it down to $30 then your talking crazy bank.
Money grabbing much. Eh Sony?
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