Microsoft’s much maligned Kinect peripheral has been ‘unfairly judged’, the head of Criterion has said as the camera accessory is pulled as a boxed accessory.
He added: “Personally speaking, I think that Kinect has had a tough time from people judging it unfairly.” Honestly people just wanted a choice it should've never been forced. That's all there is to it. Some people couldn't afford the bundle and that also caused a lot of missed sales.
I don't see it as being forced on people. There were a lot of benefits from having it included in the box. Sony themselves were quite close to including it judging by what has been said before. I think sometimes this industry is far too hostile to change. But then again, I also understand why people were (and are) so critical of the device. Last gen, the first Kinect had little to no use for the core gamer and then with the new Kinect and its shortcomings such as its inability to carry out 1 to 1 tracking etc meant that people didn't see the appeal for the device. So right now, the Kinect device is in limbo. We still haven't seen a CORE gaming application besides some cool system-side uses and the longer that goes on for, the more the Kinect will be relegated to the sidelines and is regarded as a gimmick by core gamers.
@MrTehDiNGO Are you saying that it is the superior format and does exactly what it was created you do? Interesting point.
I want to see the face-modelling stuff (something like the champions from Kinect Sports Rivals) utilised in more games. For example Sunset Overdrive, if I could scan in a stylised version of me for the multiplayer that be enough to validate the device for me. The Kinect functionality can be enabled/disabled on the fly, so for modelling like this the Kinect would only use resource during the scan and would not hinder the performance of the core game at all. I'm sure that isn't worth the £80 for some people (or more likely £130+ when it is sold separately), but I think it'd be neat.
I think MS shifted focus away from kinect and decided to make AAA games for core gamers. Once there are enough games out and the core gamers are somewhat satisfied, than they will return to kinect. If they dont return to kinect, it will die a quiet death.
If the only way to buy the console was with the Kinect, then it was forced. If the UI works better with than without, then it's forced.
What major games use it that changed the way we play games? Non gaming features aside it hasn't been utilized in games properly. MS has promised and hyped up so much more than it can actually do, like those scanning features? Milo demoed on kinect? Major games like Ryse being nothing like their E3 demo and becoming a controller based game instead. Honestly over 3 years of waiting for this game to prove it's greatness and we have dance and exercise games. They're being fairly judged based on heavy cost and lack of games.
The fact that MS changed Ryse from a kinect game to a typical hack and slash, ie a more core friendly game, says to me that MS never considered the kinect to be a core device.
maybe not a core gaming device..
Kinect these nuts.
Kinect was never core. I honestly doubt k2 can handle core games either by itself. Ill add to septics comment that some of the ill feeling towards kinect was down to the shift ms made in order to support it last gen. From a core gamer perspective it was too rapid leaving little to no core releases from its release. Its a strange association but I've heard many people voice this. Kinect can still prove itself if developers have confidence in its hardware and their ability to utilise it efficiently, obviously whilst making an enjoyable game. Nothing is stopping them. I loosely compare the camera to the steering/gaming wheels which don't need to be forced on us for them to be supported.
I think a lot of people would have been OK with picking up an XB1 with Kinect if it cost the same as the PS4 from Day 1. The problem was, in my opinion, that people wanted a cheaper XB1 - and Kinect was the obvious target for cost savings. I've said before, if MS had the balls they would have cut the cost of the XB1 and left in Kinect to ensure their 'vision' was seen through. I am still convinced we could have seen a game that really utilised Kinect properly, and not as a gimmick in a hardcore title - now, we are unlikely to ever see that as Kinect is not mandatory.
^^^Exactly this! Microsoft could have simply cut the price of the xboxonekinect console, to match the PS4 price point. But instead they cut loose the kinect. Which suggests to alot of people that the vision for it was a bit to high in the sky for reality.
I think the Kinect still has some major shortcomings that will prevent it being used as the core control mechanism for any game. There is still noticable latency, and the fact that the device has no idea where the TV is severely reduces the practical application (for example one of the most intuitive gestures would be pointing at something on the screen, but the Kinect has no idea where the screen is so that cannot work). The voice controls can make sense in core games, but they don't require such a sophisticated piece of hardware. As I say above, I would love to see greater use of the 3D modelling capability. Kinect Sports champions, Project Spark mo-cap and such. A competitive FPS where you play as a stylised version of yourself, with mo-capped taunts you recorded out-of-game? That is something I think core gamers could appreciate. And it wouldn't hurt the performance of the game at all.
MS should have release more stuffs for Kinect. Only bundling and lack of software can't convince user to buy it.
Kinect killed Xbox One, that is how I will judge it.
Well that and the weaker hardware.. Terrible reveal... The lies...the truth...the quotes like "just deal with it".. The DRM..the no trade in games...the720p,900p,792p vs 1080p...the lack of game releases... Lack of New ip's..bad indie policies ...paywalls...ads. I understand that they have 180ed some of these things...but they happened and they hurt the system too.
Like I said in that other article , Xbox is a complete mess I want to stay away from.
So why come here and comment then? Oh... I would be called the troll.....
I was one of the Kinect "nay-sayers" before buying my Xbox One. I was making my judgments purely off of Kinect Xbox 360 (unfair judgment). I was immediately impressed with Kinect 2.0 and now I am sad that it will, most likely, not be supported in the future.
Agreed i am enjoying my xbox one and kinect alot more than i thought i would using voice commands to do certain task just feels great for example the " xbox record that" rather than having to press buttons just feels natural. i really hope ms and developers keeps supporting it and not give up on it so easily.
It isn't a gaming device. That is the issue. It isn't being unfairly judged. It doesn't suit the gaming enviroment. The kinect is an expensive way to "improve" UI which is why it didn't catch on (after the initial buzz years ago). Improving UI needs to be cheaply done and not with an expensive add on. That and improving the gaming use side in a meaningful way (which is impossible due to the hardware limitations) would have made the kinect 2 popular
I haven't used it in games yet, but as a media controller I love it!! I know pressing a button is more accurate and faster but I have three kids and can never find the remote..
To be honest, given the choice between buying it in a bundle or w/o - I would be inclined to include it in the bundle. In the bundle it's only something like an extra £40, whereas in the previous gen it was something like £80? Also from what I've seen and experienced, it's actually really quiet intuitive and nice to have, if only for navigating the Xbox.
The titanfall deal was better value than the new gameless kinectless bundle for sure. Even if you didn't want the camera or game, you had 2 things to potentially sell or trade on.
Can kinect be turned to the wall, but still used for voice recognition ? Or does it need the sensors to be at the front to pick up your voice ?
Turning it to a wall would affect voice control, it takes a bit of trial and error to get the perfect space to recieve and respond to every command... You could however point it to the floor or roof so that the camera can't view you, there's even a hinge to do that, although personally I don't see the point, a light on the device shows you when the camera is on and watching.. which it turns out that it's never watching unless you use something that requires it (voice commands do not).
I realised the man talking is not Alex Ward... cuz Alex would never say something as dumb as this.
Isn't a gaming device, is just use for navigation, and tranversing and that is all!
Its not essential to gaming which is why the majority of consumers didn't want it.
That raises an interesting point of itself though. Right now the majority of buyers are core gamers. The 10 or 12million people that own at least one next gen console are core gamers for sure, so what you say is true. But eventually these consoles should hit 100million between them, and that "majority of consumers" will refer to a very different group. Would that group like the Kinect? I don't know. I am quite sure they like the cheaper price more though.
Well you did say 100 million as in PS4 + Xbox One sales and I can gurantee you that no PS4 owner will want Kinect and the majority of Xbox One owners probably won't want it either.
I've fairly judged it. It's a $100 gimmick that does nothing to push gaming and only helps Kinect owners to be even more lazy.
My guess is people don't want the Kinect because it doesn't work the way it's supposed to work. I have no idea why Microsoft appears to be baffled by negative reactions to this peripheral. When people buy something, they want it to work the way the creators say it works. Most people only give a product one or two tries before they take it back to the store and get a refund. In the case of Kinect, when people yell out voice commands and nothing happens, but an hour later a commercial being broadcast on television causes the voice command to work, people get put off by the peripheral and usually it ends up collecting dust or put up for sale on Ebay.
Had they not tried to make it more than it was it might have been selling out like the PS Camera.
Kinect, Google glass, smart watches... I think some people just aren't interested in it no matter how "cool" it is.
Judged unfairly? No, it was judged and found wanting. ZERO quality games for it on Xbox One...and the ones it does have, the Kinect DOESN'T FRIGGIN' WORK properly with! You need 100% accuracy with games, and Kinect is rating around 80% accuracy...even with "new" games. There was a review of "Fantasia: Music Evolved" recently, which highlighted the problem....if you are playing the game, and the Kinect can't accurately track your movements, it's just an excercise in frustration! I don't know about most Xbox gamers, but when I want to play a game, I want to PLAY THE GAME, not FIGHT with the controls!
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