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Xbox One vs PS4 Debate: 'PS4 has no games?'

Gameondaily discusses its findings after E3 and Gaz and Ilyas argue about the PS4 and whether or not it has any decent exclusives this year.

Please note that the video contains some strong language when things get a little heated so it might be a little NSFW.

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F4sterTh4nFTL1271d ago

I am sure that issue will be resolved when Naughty Dog, Sony Santa Monica, Polyphony Digital, Quantic Dream, Evolution Studios and other Sony First-Party studios will start releasing there games on PS4 and the the Xbox One will go back to milking its Halo, Gears and Forza trinity to stay afloat. But this time around PS4 has the edge in multiplatform games and will continue to dominate the Xbox One in all regions. Microsoft should just throw the white flag with Xbox One, they are just not going to catch up no matter how hard they try. People have seen the true face of Microsoft at E3 2013 and it was a terrifying.

Ghost_of_Tsushima1271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

They're talking about 2014 though. You're talking 2015 and beyond and sales and all this other stuff.

NextLevel1271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

I'll talk about 2014. I'll exclude indies cause the PS4 has more of them.

PS4
Last Of Us - GOTY winner
LBP - GOTY winner
Driveclub - Solid racer

Xbox One
Halo Collection - Great value
Forza Horizon 2 - Solid racer
Sunset Overdrive - Insomniac's last 2 game have an average of 66%

Multiplatforms

All better perform better on PS4, with a high resolution, better textures and more stable framerate.

Ghost_of_Tsushima1271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

@NextLevel

Might wanna add Fabe Legends and Titanfall in there. They're both 2014 exclusives. Also LBP3 is being made by Sumo not Media Molecule so we don't know if it will be as good as the previous LBP games.

GarrusVakarian1271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

Hilarious video. That guy eating crisps whilst those two duked it out had me in stitches.

In terms of the retail exclusives though, i think i would give holiday 2014 to MS and the X1.

When it comes to the two racers, it's a tough call. I may be anticipating DriveClub more than FH2, but i can see myself having more play-time on FH2 due to it being open world, and having an open world MP. But overall, i would give DC the edge, it just seems to tick all the right boxes for me.

I have little to no interest in LBP3, whilst Sunset Overdrive is one of my most anticipated games full stop. So the X1 "wins" there for me.

Then we have the two remakes, which is another tough one. Even though TLOU is one of my all time favourite games and i would take it over any Halo game....the fact that you get so much bang for your buck with the MCC gives it the edge, imo. There's just so much content, from one of the biggest and highest regarded franchises in gaming history. I may like TLOU more, but the MCC gives you more.

Of course, if you factor in multiplats, indies and free to plays, then it may become a different story. But in terms of big hitting exclusives in the holiday of this year, like what the article is talking about, then i think the X1 has the edge.

But that's just my opinion. Someone could think the PS4 has the better holiday 2014 line-up because of DC alone, just like someone could think MS has the better holiday 2014 line-up because of SO alone. There is no right answer in which consoles has the better 2014 line-up.

NextLevel1271d ago

@The Infected

Completely forgot about Fable Legends.

morganfell1271d ago

You can add inFamous Firsat Light since it is a stand alone.

@TheInfected,

If you are going to back up and add Titanfall, a multiplatform game as it was also on PC and 360, then you can back up and add inFamous which was PS4 only.

UltraNova1271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

@ FasterThanFTL

Have you given any thought about how would things be right now if Sony had thrown the white flag early last gen? Please take a moment...

Now that you have and realized your mistake you can see why MS shouldn't throw the white flag just yet.

Case in point- Fierce Competition = More for us for less. (and no DRM for god sake)

NukaCola1271d ago

Infected

Don't judge just yet. Mm didn't make LBP Vita and that is by far the best one so far!

Saigon1271d ago

I look at it like this; when you count everything side-by-side in terms of what is coming out this year it is even, I was able to count 5 vs. 5 for each console. But, if you get into the deep tidbits of each game it changes the landscape of what is wanted and what isn't. In all honesty I am interested in a few from each side but not the ones most think.

I will dig into a game from each that I have an interest. LBP3 surprised me, I didn't expect to see another sackboy. I played 1 but not 2 and I am a little interested in 3 right now but not extremely, just afraid it will get boring after a while. For SO, I am really interested in this game, but I haven't seen enough to warrant a purchase. From what I saw it was very similar to R&C with the grinding and other stuff. I just wish it was a little original. Though the mechanics do look good.

johndoe112111271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

@ Lukas

This isn't about which system has more games that appeal to you as an individual, it's about which system has more games. Some how x-fanatics, like the guy on the right in that video, always seem to downplay indies and ftp games as no-games yet a massive groan was heard throughout the xbox community when it was revealed that No Man's Sky (an indie game) was a ps exclusive (even if it is a timed exclusive).

FTP games like warframe and DCUO have done fantastic on the ps4 and now you have planetside2 on the way, another game that has been highly praised. Yet they don't matter apparently because they are not first party. Because as far as the typical xbot is concerned the only games that you can play on a console is first party AAA games.

As far as they are concerned consoles automatically stop working and power off the moment you try to play a game that is not first party AAA. I'm sick and tired of that BS argument and the guy on the right in that video represents the worst of the worst of the xbox community because people like him continue to propagate that false idea and belief that the ps4 has no games, just because it is ripping the xbox a new one.

Septic1271d ago

@Johndoe

"Some how x-fanatics, like the guy on the right in that video, always seem to downplay indies and ftp game"

The thing you clearly don't get is, we weren't talking about indies and FTP games. The TOPIC of discussion was heavy hitting exclusive titles, you know, the ones that Sony fanboys kept ranting on about in the latter years of the last-gen?

Most of these heavy hitters are what we really expect and want and look out for at E3. All of a sudden, these aren't important any more?

"I'm sick and tired of that BS argument and the guy on the right in that video represents the worst of the worst of the xbox community"

Dry your eyes. I'm not part of just one community but as you move goal posts around, take into account what this debate is actually about.

So once again, we're talking the major exclusive releases. So dry your eyes. No one is propagating anything. Similarly, 2015 will be a great year for the PS4 and possibly far better than the X1 in terms of heavy hitting exclusives.

kreate1271d ago

U gotta becareful though.
Whenever u make a ps3/ps4 has no games arguement, sony turns around and releases a ton of exclusives.

Xbox is known to struggle in that department.

Than the sony fanboys will be here getting their revenge.

Its an endless cycle. Just saying.

Its kinda hard to doubt sony when it comes to exclusives. But maybe they really dont have much and its all just hype and speculation. We'll just have to wait and see.

morganfell1271d ago

Planetside 2 on PS4 in 2014...and free to play.

johndoe112111271d ago

@Septic

Actually I had no idea the person in the video was you, but it really changes nothing and in fact after watching it over again I think you prove my point even more.

The first thing you said in the video was "Sony has no games" after the guy asked "they have no games?" you asked "what exclusives do they have coming up". That is exactly my point. People like you associate games with exclusivity and that is BS.

You cannot say sony has no games in your title and in your video and then say that you only meant exclusives. Either you are using your title as clickbait or you do not consider AA, indies and ftp games as games. Which is it?

Septic1271d ago

@john

Yeah the title is provocative. Heck I admit that. Its meant to stir discussion. But the titles stems from the exact same statement I made in that video.

"People like you associate games with exclusivity and that is BS. "

Actually, to give you some background on this, my mate in that video associates games with exclusivity. Last gen when we had our various spats I held my hand up and said, yeah, there are hardly any exclusives on the 360.

In fact, how much did we hear that, on this very site. MS has no exclusives bla bla. I'm just turning that on its head and I want to kind of expose what I think is a double standard.

I'm not scoffing at F2P games at all. No Man's Sky is Gameondaily and my NUMBER 1 game of E3 2014 by a large magin (you'll even see that in the next video or the one after...which was recorded yesterday before people accuse me of retro-fitting my argument).

"Either you are using your title as clickbait or or you do not consider AA, indies and ftp games as games"

I do consider the later types of games as games. OF COURSE I do man. As for the former accusation. Yes my statement to Ilyas was deliberately provocative to prompt a discussion like this.

MysticStrummer1271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

@Septic

"The thing you clearly don't get is, we weren't talking about indies and FTP games. The TOPIC of discussion was heavy hitting exclusive titles"

Yet the title is "PS4 has no games".

"...as you move goal posts around…"

That's a laugh.

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but as a rule I won't reward an obvious click bait title with a view. What you did there is like having the title "Can I survive without food?" which leads to a discussion about not eating hamburgers.

@Infected - Titanfall still isn't an exclusive, but if you want to include that then PS4's list gets expanded also.

Tito081271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

Guilty Gear Xrd Sign is more than enough for me this year, but I might get some more games in the meantime just to keep me occupied, most likely Last Of Us since I haven't played it on PS3.

But having-
MLB 14: The Show
Infamous: Second Son
Guilty Gear Xrd Sign
Drive Club
+ Multiplats is good enough for a console's first year on the market, so it isn't as bad as some fanboys make it seem like. That "PS has no games" crap is getting too old and boring.

DragonKnight1271d ago

@Septic: We've already been discussing this, but your friend who's supposed to be the "Sony fanboy" seems to lack the necessary knowledge to defend his position at all. He knows next to nothing about Driveclub other than its existence, and focuses solely on LBP3 as his exclusive of choice. It was pretty painful to watch.

But neither side has much to brag about this year in terms of exclusives. This year is all about the multiplats.

Chevalier1271d ago

Uh no Infected is an wrong Fable Legends is NOT included because all that is out is the Beta this year. Sorry, but, since when exactly do we count that as a release? Nothing else releasing so they are grasping at straws.

There are other console exclusives not mentioned;

Bound by flame (out now)
Final Fantasy 14 (out now)
MLB The Show 14 (out now)
Tropico 5
Natural doctrine
Dynasty Warrior 8 Extreme Legends
Guilty Gear Xrd
Samurai Warriors

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bicfitness1271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

There is no "issue", other than peoples' skewed perceptions of reality. PS4 has twice as many announced and available games, when compared to the X1. Why is this fallacy still being perpetuated. The reality of what is available on each platform now:

(PS4) http://www.metacritic.com/b...

(X1) http://www.metacritic.com/b...

And that ratio 2:1/ 3:1 persists for the whole year, especially with Sony's flood of indies and F2P titles. Not to mention that 2015 starts off with a bang with The Order and Bloodborne, compared to the tumbleweeds in MS's camp.

Edit: I just saw who submitted the article. Priceless. And sorry mate, but its a busy day, and you're on ignore, so try to save your free speech for some other internet squabble.

Septic1271d ago

"Edit: I just saw who submitted the article. Priceless. And sorry mate, but its a busy day, and you're on ignore, so try to save your free speech for some other internet squabble."

Mate relax. The video is about upcoming, heavy hitting exclusive titles in 2014. 2015 is a WHOLE different story.

I'm busy here too so no time to do my famous doodles p_p.

MightyNoX1271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

@Bicfitness: Fun fact, Septic once made this post when it came to PS3 exclusives. (Can link if you want)

Septic: ROFL! ROFL! What PS3 exclusives ARE coming this year?

Immediately, he edited into a more respectful post.

Septic: No, I'm serious. What PS3 games ARE coming this year?

I gave him a long ass list detailing things Witch and the 100 knights, Ace Combat Infinity Jojo and the likes. On the whole, he's not as BAD as some of the folks around here but he does purposefully skew and blot out information when it comes to Sony's exclusives. Give him a chance. That quick edit I mentioned shows he has the capacity to backtrack.

Anyway, this video was bad. He stuttered too much. I would have immediately shot out Natural Doctrine, Planetside 2, Driveclub, Guilty Gear Xrd, Oddworld, Soul saga, Warriors Orochi 3 Ultimate, Hohokum and possibly Rime.

Septic1271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

@MightyNox

"Fun fact, Septic once made this post when it came to PS3 exclusives. (Can link if you want)"

Yo can you send the link here? i want to have a look at this.

"On the whole, he's not as BAD as some of the folks around here but he does purposefully skew and blot out information when it comes to Sony's exclusives."

Completely disagree but then again, show me what you're on about here.

Flutterby1271d ago

The next article will be about another falsehood like is psn always going to be worse than live even tho its just as good if not better. This no games bull is just getting tired now the ps4 has more games right now than the xbone and also has more coming this year than the xbone , so where is the article about the xbone having no games? I myself don't think the xbone has no games, but if we are to class the ps4 as a barren wasteland then surely logic would dictate the xbone is worse off.

These sort of articles should not even be submitted let alone approved because they are full of bs.

HeWhoWalks1271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

@ MightyNox: I once called him out for the exact same behavior, and boy was that pot stirred (he even sent me a message with harsher words than he would ever dare to say in a post).

OT: All-in-all, the video changed nothing of what I already know - the PS4 has more games out and plenty on the way. The X1 has less games out and plenty on the way. No big deal in either case.

Edit: If you replied to me, Septic, I've had you on ignore since you sent those PMs a while back. Thus, I won't see anything from you (with good reason, I prefer reasonable discussions and you, too often, needlessly ruffle feathers here).

XiYakushijuAkeginuXi1271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

Septic's true colors are coming out

Septic1271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

@Hewhowalks

I've just gone through every single page of my inbox as well as sent messages and the only message I can find that I sent to you was this, to which you did not reply:

http://i.imgur.com/FQimG2e....

So where you say:

"I once called him out for the exact same behavior, and boy was that pot stirred (he even sent me a message with harsher words than he would ever dare to say in a post)."

Please show us this message. By all means post it on here but right now, to me, it seems that either (1) I missed out this so-called PM or (2) you are lying.

"Septic's true colors are coming out"

What's that? The fact that I back up everything I say and then people make accusations but don't bother backing them up? It says more about everyone else than it does about me that's for sure.

@HewhoWalks edit

"Edit: If you replied to me, Septic, I've had you on ignore since you sent those PMs a while back. Thus, I won't see anything from you (with good reason, I prefer reasonable discussions and you, too often, needlessly ruffle feathers here)."

Where is this message where I'm being harsh to you though?? I went through the trouble of going through every single page of my inbox and sent stuff, surely you could do the same if you're gonna make a claim like that?

Back up what you say mate.

Volkama1271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

@Flutterby Live is vastly superior to PSN at the moment. That isn't fiction or BS, it's hardware. Measurable, quantifiable, real hardware making up the infrastructure.

Similarly the GPU in the PS4 is better than the GPU in the One, that is not fiction or BS either.

Of course, PSN can and will improve over time where as the XBox GPU is fixed where it is.

Pick your poison.

@below yes. Vastly superior. Sheer volume and location of servers, orders of magnitude better. It just is.

I'm not saying MS are leveraging it well to make amzing games, and I am not saying you should go out and buy a One instead of a PS4, I am saying that the infrastructure behind live is better than the infrastructure behind PSN. Flutterby is implying that is a myth, when it is not.

XiYakushijuAkeginuXi1271d ago

@Volkama

Vastly superior?

Liar, liar, pants on fire

Flutterby1271d ago

@volkama

In what way is live superior to psn? There is nothing different between the 2 besides the name, if you think live is far better you haven't used them both. I myself have to use both because I am manager at eb games and neither are better than the other. You are just conveying the same lie as other people. The same as the people saying xbone has more games when factually it has less now and less coming.

Volkama1271d ago

@Flutterby

I am in South East England. I can download games on PSN and Live to get a very direct and clear comparison between the services. I can also cite that the premier 1st party multiplayer FPS for the Playstation 4 uses P2P networking.

Microsoft are a service provider, Azure is absolutely huge, and Live effectively gets to piggyback on that infrastructure. It's an advantage. If PSN works well for you that's great, but saying PSN is as good as Live is akin to saying "The XBox One is as powerful as the PS4 because the graphics are good enough for me, and to hell with anyone that uses facts to disprove it".

I am not sure why I should care where you work. Is "manager of EB" supposed to somehow add weight to what you say, while you sing songs for your favourite console?

TheWatercooler1271d ago

Everyone knows Septic is a closet Xbox fanboy

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kennyg37391271d ago

They're talking about 2014,the fact is Xbox will have better games this year. I know it's hard for you too see this through your Sony glasses.

HeWhoWalks1271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

Care to explain to us how it is a fact that: " Xbox will have better games this year"? You're calling someone out for fanatic behavior and then, in the same breath, hit back with a reply like that.

Edit: Interesting read: http://n4g.com/news/1536879...

Rainstorm811271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

Better games is a personal opinion....what happens if u don't care for Forza Fable and Halo.....again?? .......Sunset Overdrive??.....meh give me a multiplatform title like Shadow of Mordor instead, but that's my preference.

Forza Horizon 2 looks great though

SoulSercher6201271d ago

LOL sorry but the fact is the PS4 has better rated games.

pornflakes1271d ago

"Naughty Dog, Sony Santa Monica, Polyphony Digital, Quantic Dream, Evolution Studios and other Sony First-Party studios will start releasing there games on PS4"

Ok, so you agree that PS4 owners have to wait at least 2 years from Launch to get finally some good exclusives.

Rainstorm811271d ago

2 Forzas on Xbox1 within one year? Halo is released yearly in some way now? I'm truly not a fan of MS way of sticking to the game plan....... Halo,Forza,Fable,Gears... I understand building upon your franchises and sticking to what works but its getting ridiculous

If I have to wait for AAA variety so be it.....otherwise what's the difference from buying CoD every year?

DevelopmentArrested1271d ago

Why do people constantly confuse '13 e3 with the Xbox One reveal? The 2013 e3 for Microsoft was mainly games.

CYCLEGAMER1271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

WOW...I have never seen a Sony fanboy damage control for Sony and contradict themselfves like that in real life. I thought that only happened on the internet..LOL.

They asked the guy to list Sony exclusives for this year, he throws TLOU (remastered)in there but tells the other guy he cant bring up HALO (remastered)???? WHAT???

This conversation is like a real life N4G discussion...lol

@develpmentarrested
EXACTLY!!! It's like people are programed.....IMO MS had a better E3 last year than they did this year, with all of the new IP's that were announced/launched. Even the media is confused about this.

MS reveal = Talked about features, tv, and a few games

MS E3 2013 = about 95 percent games

MS E3 2014 = nothing but games

Sony Reveal = Controller and games

Sony E3 2013 = Same games from the reveal, tv, social features and the console.

Sony e3 2014 = Games, project morphues and even more tv than last year.

Sony showed tv crap two years in a row at E3 the gaming conference but MS gets flack for showing tv at their REVEAL??? Amazing how the brain works...lol. Goes to show that some people have selective memories and believe what they want to believe. Sometimes your fandome can get the best of you.

Ausbo1271d ago

Sony always gets off to a slow start. Same with the ps3. They will be fine.

Magicite1271d ago

If you talk only about quantity, PS4 got most games out of all current gen consoles.
If we talk about quality...well, thats debatable.

ajax171271d ago

It's a f*cking broken record with PS haters! They said the same damn thing about the PS3's early years last gen! Look how that turned out in the end.

AngelicIceDiamond1271d ago

@Faster "I am sure that issue will be resolved when Naughty Dog, Sony Santa Monica, Polyphony Digital, Quantic Dream, Evolution Studios and other Sony First-Party studios will start releasing there games"

Sony right now has the games. Blood Borne, No Mans Sky and UC4 plus AAA multiplats.

Once those games get released it'll only get better.

"the Xbox One will go back to milking its Halo, Gears and Forza trinity to stay afloat."

What makes you say that? I hope you didn't forget who's in charge now. Phil will continue to cater to the core and release new Ips and continue the established.

That's ridiculous I really don't know what made you say that.

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GribbleGrunger1271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

Yep, that's a fair representation of an XB1 fan V PS4 fan. Let's ignore FTP games and Indies in order to create the idea that the PS has fewer exclusive games. Once again: The XB1 has fewer games.

pyramidshead1271d ago

I'd link wikipedia, which out right states the number of games on each system, but I'm only going to get replies like 'Sony has paid off Wikipedia' or some hot nonsense.

CYCLEGAMER1271d ago

@pyramidshead
Well the landscape of gaming hasn't changed much so far when you really look at it.

Indies weren't a prominent force 7 months ago, but now they are? Why...because Sony says so?

"Now you say that 360 owners 'loved' indies last gen and PS3 owners hated them, doesn't that make it even more stupid for Xbone owners to hate them this gen just because PS4 owners like them now"?

I never said this but I will attempt to answer your question anyway. First off, I don't think that xbox gamers hate indies, I think that after having them since the original xbox and all of last gen xbox gamers have an understanding and a higher standard for indie games, and also realize that they are not the main course meal. They are nice to have to fill the gap but at the end of the day, you buy a next gen console for a next gen experience.

Again...nothing against Indies, I would say that the majority of gamers like them. But after eating so much candy, you are going to eventually want some real food. I think xbox gamers want more of the real food, and don't mind a really good snack every once in a while.

pyramidshead1271d ago

"Indies weren't a prominent force 7 months ago, but now they are? Why...because Sony says so? "

Did I say that? No. Re-read what I wrote. I told you to look passed the BS of the warz and think about WHY indies are extremely prominent today, because they ARE. It certainly has changed or people wouldn't be focusing on free2plays and indies as a great alternative. A lot can change in a decade you know?

"First off, I don't think that xbox gamers hate indies"

Certainly not the case, so far from comments on n4g since November last year or before anything but AAA is considered less of a game just by their definition. Which is confusing since Xbox gamers apparently held them to high regard for the entirety of last gen, why hate them now? Just because PlayStation owners like to talk about them now? Sheeh lol. lol @ the higher standard of indies games remark. *rolls eyes*.

Your food analogy doesn't make much sense considering a gamer's tastes and gaming needs will be subjective from one to the next. What someone's 'candy' could be someone else's 'meal'.

A similar irrelevant 'last gen argument' could also be why Xbox fanboys now favour exclusives and not mulitplats. And we could then say that, with using your own food analogy, xbox gamers don't mind what's put on their table just as long as it's a 'meal' no matter how badly made or gone off the food is(Xbone's launch line up). "Xbox gamers will eat anything since they were systematically starved last gen". Of course this is more notably directed at the lack of exclusives for the 360 as last gen progressed.

Just an example of another useless view point that can be brought up. But if you're gonna get into it you need context and the context is the shift in the market to favour indies which can be seen running up to the end of last gen.

CYCLEGAMER1271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

LOL...wow!

I never said that you said anything....I was making a statement and giving an opinion.

"Now you say that 360 owners 'loved' indies last gen and PS3 owners hated them, doesn't that make it even more stupid for Xbone owners to hate them this gen just because PS4 owners like them now?"

This^^^^^^ is putting words in someones mouth and saying that they said something that they didn't. Is it not?? Please show me where I said this and don't ignore, I really want you to answer that one.

Now on to your comments: Your comment about why Indies are so prominent today, is YOUR opinion. My opinion is that Indies have always been popular, however their popularity has amplified over the past 7 months because one of consoles biggest fanbases, Sony and its fanbase has now fully adopted them. It is also my opinion that Sony has now FULLY adopted indies and using them as a marketing tool because (like Yoshida said) they will have less AAA exclusives due to cost.

To your other comment, about xbox fans hating indies....so I guess since xbox users aren't bragging about indies, they hate them right? I cannot speak for everyone on n4g but I will say again that more people like them than not, but using indies in an arguement about exclusives is a little pathetic IMO.

"Which is confusing since Xbox gamers apparently held them (indies) to high regard for the entirety of last gen, why hate them now? Just because PlayStation owners like to talk about them NOW?"

Again...I don't think that xbox gamers hate indies but thanks for proving my point with this comment.

Fanboys like to talk up their console of choice and brag about the little things to make them feel better about their purchase, and that goes for both sides, xbox fanboys probably bragged about indies last gen because of lack of exclusives toward the end of the 360's life cycle, and playstation fanboys are doing it now. The xbox has more new next gen exclusives, so they are bragging about it.

I personally am a exclusive guy...I like big games that push the hardware of the system that I am playing on. One thing I have realized over my years of gaming since the NES is that all consoles have their "down time" which is why I ALWAYS buy them all. Think of last gen, there were times when the xbox had better/more exclusives and Sony didn't, as time progressed Sony ended up with more exclusives while MS pulled back. Thats just the way it is and always has been.

I hope this help you think more logically instead of taking the Sony almighty route.

pyramidshead1271d ago

"Where was all of this "indie love" last gen. The 360 literally had THOUSANDS of indies last gen. So based on YOUR logic, the 360 had a better exclusive lineup"

That was your original remark, why even mention something like this if not to imply that the user base of the 360 had more love for indies than the PlayStation community? You may not have said it, but reading between the lines is easy.

My comment was perfectly acceptable judging by initial reactions from gamers of the Xbox community. So when you brought up the divide last gen with Xbox for indies and Playstation supposedly against, I found it equally interesting to see why Xbox hasn't just kept in favour of indies while PlayStation has naturally shifted with the market.

I disagree entirely with that opinion of yours. I find it laughable that PlayStation, by it self, has cause this huge indie awareness they have grown themselves over time as they don't have mid-tier developers over shadowing them anymore. Lot's of studios went bust because they weren't smaller enough to be indie and not big enough to keep up with AAA development. Furthermore Sony have just capitalised on the market shift, which is kinda smart. Also What yoshida said is basically the truth, foreshadowing the future market for all game publishers, not just nintendo, MS and Sony. AAA development has sky rocketed and the bubble will burst at some point, hence the massive shift to support independent developers who can make quite considerable quality games in cheaper smaller teams. Take No Man's Sky for instance, indie game but looks AAA, made by a very small team. Indie games didn't have that same kind of quality a decade go.

What did that comment prove? It proved xbox gamers may have used it as a 'leg up' last gen but don't seem to hot on the idea of doing it this gen, quite frankly some seem to want to remove themselves almost entirely from the scene. Amazing. So yeah confused on that part.

This has nothing to do with any 'Sony almighty' route. As I said, it's more about the market than one particular console manufacturer. But if you're going to point fingers you can't deny Sony did a lot of stuff right with the PS4 and that's why it's selling extremely well, why is it selling? Games. What kinds of games does it provide? All kinds. It's a logical deduction from what's happened since nov 2013.

I'm personally an all round gamer guy who's only disadvantage is his internet connection.

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CYCLEGAMER1271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

Why is it now that Sony is pushing Indies, a lot of Sony fans are now treating them like AAA exclusives?? Where was all of this "indie love" last gen. The 360 literally had THOUSANDS of indies last gen. So based on YOUR logic, the 360 had a better exclusive lineup of games than the ps3 because it had many more indies correct??

Many including myself would laugh at you if you said the 360 had more exclusives than the ps3. Just saying!

Nothing against indies, but they are icing on the cake, not the main course meal.

pyramidshead1271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

Maybe look at how the landscape of the gaming market has changed. Indies may not have seemed like such a prominent force in anyone's gaming appetite back then, well Xbox 360 owners may have done like you say. Fact of the matter is throughout last gen you saw the demise of the mid-tier(AA) developer which usually bridged the gap between indies and AAA. Both in price and quality.

I have a feeling lots of people caught onto this including Sony and that's why we saw some late last gen indies like Journey and such the like cropping up out of no-where. Granted these aren't your typical 8bit or 2D side scrolling shmups but games like Journey no doubt gained indies more awareness of what they can achieve(among other highly rated indie game devs.

Now going into this gen you have ONLY indies(& ftps) and the AAA market, nothing to fill the void in between. Not to mention bloated costs for AAA development means they'll be less and less as time goes on if publishers don't get their returns.

Now you say that 360 owners 'loved' indies last gen and PS3 owners hated them, doesn't that make it even more stupid for Xbone owners to hate them this gen just because PS4 owners like them now?

Weird. I only see one console gaming faction limiting their gaming needs based on budget for the sake of the 'warz'.

SoulSercher6201271d ago

"Why is it now that Sony is pushing Indies, a lot of Sony fans are now treating them like AAA exclusives??"

Umm maybe because they're great games.

"Where was all of this "indie love" last gen."

Journey, Sound Shapes, Hotline Miami, Braid, etc. were all considered great games.

DigitalRaptor1271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

Do you want to know why Sony fans are "treating them like AAA exclusives"? We know they're not AAA, but focus on the potential, and there's your answer.

What INDIE games last gen had the budget, scope or proposed quality of something like Outlast? The same with upcoming indie games this gen include No Man's Sky, SOMA, The Witness, Shadow of the Beast, RiME, Everybody's Gone to the Rapture, Primal Carnage: Genesis and many more.

Not many... is the answer. We got a taste with games like Journey. There have also been TONS of "AAA indies" on PC, that don't get the same exposure as some of the more mainstream games on consoles.

Just look at something like HAWKEN... that's indie. https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Look up those games and tell me THAT is what was expected of indie devs on consoles last gen. Go on. There's more to indie devs this gen than 2D pixel-art sidescrollers. If you can't see the difference in scope and potential of indie devs this gen compared to last-gen, you'd have to be just a bit shortsighted.

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Regarding the "THOUSANDS of indies last gen":

The 360 had lots of quality "Arcade" games that were quality-controlled by Microsoft. The PSN had lots of quality "Arcade" games last gen too.

Their indie channel on XBL is a completely different story to XBLA. The limit for developers publishing was 50MB, and there are thousands of games also rated badly by the community cause a great deal of them were godawful games or just really badly made. That's the true definition of a diamond in the rough.

The way Sony has handled indie development on both PS3, PS4 and Vita is completely different. It's never been "free reign" so to speak. Sony treats indie games this gen, like they treated "Arcade" games last gen, but are more closely interacting with these devs than ever before. Those devs produce some of the most unique content out there and Sony knows this - unique experiences are what makes up the DNA of the PlayStation brand.

And last gen, indies were completely welcomed on PS3 and highly-acclaimed - Flower, Journey, The Unfinished Swan, Sound Shapes, PixelJunk, Braid, Limbo, Guacamelee, Hotline Miami, and far, far too many others to mention.

KinjoTakemura1271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

That video was funny as hell. It took twelve minutes for both of the fan boys to admit that neither console has much in terms of exclusives coming to either console in 2014. LOL

Septic1271d ago

Lol yeah this happens with us all the time. Get lost in moments of nerd rage and then come to an agreement. It has been worse before though! If only I recorded the time we were at the gym and pretty much the whole gym got involved. The most unlikely people that you would hardly have guessed were gamers forgot their workout and a massive argument broke out.

THAT was legendary.

Chevalier1271d ago

Back up the clickbait title which is PS4 has no games. Clearly there are a lot. Nice changing goal post though with the Big Hitters and exclusives.

Volkama1271d ago

I would say both consoles have a very limited catalogue of games right now. The numbers may say there are quite a few games available, but when you whittle it down according to any one person's personal tastes it becomes quite slim pickings.

Normal for a transition between console generations I suppose. I suspect the next next gen transition will be a lot smoother, the choice run a well-established x86-64 architecture will be significant when it is time for a refresh.

XiSasukeUchiha1271d ago

Fact: PS4 Games count over 9000! XB1 game count under 9000!

Rainstorm811271d ago

That's DBZ not Naruto........ You effed up

Zizi1271d ago

Of course, PS4 has video games. inFAMOUS: Second Son, Watch Dogs, Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition, Murdered: Soul Suspect. And the upcoming ones; The Last of Us: Remastered, inFamous: First Light, Middle-Earth: Shadow of Mordor, Alien: Isolation, Drive Club, The Evil Within, Uncharted 4: A Thief's End, The Order: 1886, Rise of the Tomb Raider. Should I mention more? :D

kalkano1271d ago

You could mention some games worth buying, if they existed. And no, I'm not a Microsoft, Nintendo, PC, enter-platform-here fan.