Frostbite Dev on Far Cry 4 PS4/XOne Equivalent to PC at Ultra Setting Claim, "Embarrassing To Hear"

Johan Andersson, Technical Director on Frostbite at Electronic Arts takes jab at recent claim of Ubisoft that Far Cry 4 on Playstation 4 and Xbox One is equivalent to PC at Ultra High setting.

In addition to this, Johan Andersson also commented on The Order: 1886 Dev comment that "30/24 is WAY more cinematic". He termed it as "BS" and added that gameplay is alway better at Higher Frame-rate

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amnalehu1372d ago

Instead of throwing jabs, they need to focus on their own games and stop shipping broken products. Haters!

Bundi1372d ago

Oh so jabs and talking about other people's engines and stuff is only okay when is team ice doing it right?

Kayant1372d ago

When did they makes jabs?

"New SDKs can significantly improve performance on the same HW, yes. Dunno about DX12/X1 specifically, of course; not my dept."

"Good; always be suspicious of ANY perf. improvement claims. e.g. what *exactly* got 50-100% faster? Faster than what? Details!"

"looks awfully familiar :) Glad to see more gfx APIs moving closer to the hardware. New patterns are emerging!

GarrusVakarian1372d ago (Edited 1372d ago )

Jeez, Bundi, your insecurity is showing. No one is talking about team ICE here. Talk about Playstation on the brain.

On topic: This guy should probably get his facts straight before calling out other devs (and maybe learn to ship a finished product too). The Order 1886 devs did not say that - "30/24 is WAY more cinematic", they said -

"We're gonna run at 30 because 24 fps does not feel good to play."

I can understand gamers on the internet making statements like these, but these guys are supposed to be industry professionals. Unacceptable, especially when their own games are such train wrecks at launch for many people.

Septic1372d ago

"This is not all, Johan Andersson also commented on The Order: 1886 Dev comment: "30/24 is WAY more cinematic". He stated that "its BS, and gameplay is alway better at higher frame-rate"

Wait. What's this 30/24 business? Can someone explain?

Raf1k11372d ago

Septic, I think the 30/24 thing is to do with the aspect ratio for The Order 1886 which is a very unusual resolution. They say it's supposed to be more cinematic.

deepio1372d ago

I could be wrong but I think 30/24 is referring to the fps, 30 during gameplay, 24 during cinematics.

Madderz1371d ago


"Wait. What's this 30/24 business? Can someone explain?"

What they are referring to is frame rate.

Most films are output at 24 Frames per second.

They are aiming for a "cinematic" feel which you would naturally assume to be 24 frames per second. What they are saying is that playing a game at 24 frames would not be good. However having it at 30 frames, like most games is fine.

Make sense?

mcarsehat1371d ago


Bundi is obviosuly paranoid and should go and live in the woods but it wouldn't be hard for me to imagine the amount of praise Sony got fro this website due to those comments.

Like it or not, N4G is horribly biased now and i doubt it is going to change in the next 8 years. It's the same thing as last gen when the site was filled with Xbox 360 "fanboys."

(Even though the people who are to blame or the real "fanboys" are the gamers, we really need to sort our sh*t out)

MrSec841371d ago

This developer isn't talking about the ICE team, he's talking about Ready at Dawn, guys that don't have much experience outside of PSP games or using relatively weak home console hardware.

The ICE team are located at Naughty Dog & Naughty Dog are talking about their 1st 2 games on PS4 being 1080p 60FPS with the best graphics yet shown on a console, in both games.

Visiblemarc1371d ago

That said, ICE team is unparalled, the Frostbite team frequently underperforms on the same hardware as their peers.

fr0sty1371d ago

This guy will have a right to talk when his team can stop shipping broken games.

dcbronco1371d ago (Edited 1371d ago )

Bundi is absolutely right. Ice has commented on DX12 several times. Far too many for something they say doesn't make much of a difference. But Sony fans are way too sensitive to anything remotely criticizing Sony. Stop being such hypocrites.

Also considering Frostbite is one of the better engines around, he might actually know a little more than most of us.

UltimateMaster1371d ago

"Dice" not Ice. Not the same studio.
One is EA, the other is Sony's.

XiSasukeUchiha1371d ago


You and all other insecure Xbox fans, are fearing Playstation greatness aren't you!

mistertwoturbo1371d ago

The guy from DICE is talking all that crap, at least people are able to play the games they buy that aren't made by DICE.

DragonKnight1371d ago

Didn't the guy at Ubisoft actually say high settings, not ultra settings?

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OwnageDC6501372d ago

EA has no right to call out Ubisoft but I do agree that it's a shame that they aren't taking full advantage of high end PC's. I guess it's cheaper for them to not bother.

windblowsagain1372d ago

So tell me, Where did BF4 take advantage of highend pc's?

BF4 on PS4/PC, there is about 5% difference. And that is mainly due to rez/aa. Everything else is more or less the same and i have the game on both.

As for BF4 And said games. Stop making a shit Singleplayer game that nobody cares about and ship with more MP maps instead of milking the fking DLC.

And my LAST jab is at Microsoft, you caused this fking DLC madness because you didn't invest in new i/p's./ You just bought stupid DLC for that shit game COD. Now everyone is doing it.

starchild1372d ago (Edited 1372d ago )

Quite talking nonsense, windblowsagain.

BF4 on PC offers better textures, better LOD levels, less pop-in, higher precision effects, better anisotropic filtering, much better anti-aliasing, 1080p+ resolution and a SOLID 60fps. That all adds up to a hell of a lot more than 5%.

And, yes, Battlefield 4 is one of the best looking games on the PC at the moment.

I own the PC version and have played the PS4 version.

Volkama1372d ago

@Starchild Quite right, the PC version looks superb in 1080p. My only quibble is that it doesn't really look that much better when you bump it up to 4k.

BF4 obviously had a lot of issues and I do think EA's servers are still letting it down a bit. But Frostbite is clearly a helluva good engine, right up there with the leasable rivals.

Hopefully EA will recognise how well Titanfall holds up on Azure, as there is nothing stopping them using it for BF.

I assume Johan was somewhat drunk for this interview though, as he isn't really being very diplomatic lol.

aquamala1371d ago

@wind you know bf4 ps4 is only 900p? 5% difference to pc that can run it at 1080p or better?

Nafon1371d ago

THIS ONE GUY ISN'T THE VOICE OF EA. Sure the engine he helped create is used in a buggy game that is developed by DICE and published (aka ruined) by EA, so how is "EA" calling out Ubisoft??

You can hate on this guy all you want for any reason you want, but that doesn't make his point any less valid!

"... the game is developed first on PC as the lead platform, unlike other Ubisoft games like Assassin’s Creed, which is developed on console first, which means that the developer starts on consoles and then tries to push their boundaries as hard as he can. Due to that, gamers have never really seen something similar to the “ultra-high PC version” on consoles before."

If you start developing on a high end PC with multitudes more processing power than the PS4 or XB1, and then port that code over to a console and get the same result, you did something extremely wrong. As a developer, you should use PC to show what you are capable of, to show off a bit. Using the extra power for AA, more FPS, and higher resolutions is NOT doing it right.

UltraNova1371d ago (Edited 1371d ago )


And I thought I was crazy! I can go as far as saying Battlefield 4 @ 4k looks worse (when one expects 4k caliber results)than 1080p...and dont even get me started on fps... my 290x just isnt up to the task I guess...


For some to call out other devs when their own product is a total mess for the better part of a year is stretching it to say the least!

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showtimefolks1372d ago

yeh your engine couldn't really deliver BF4 the way it was advertised to do so. A new BF game is coming yet the old one is still not fixed

how about shutting the hell up and fixing your damn game

also who the heck cares, its pretty obvious most publishers care more about consoles because that's where they make their big money. No doubt PC's are excellent(hear that i am not bashing PC gamers or pc gaming) but please build me a pc for $399 and we will talk

on consoles developers know what to target because everyone has the same stuff but on PC's they don't know who has a $500 PC and who has Ultimate gaming rig

infamous second son looks stunning and to naked eye of mine its hard to tell the different, because when i am playing its like playing a CGI trailer.

dcj05241371d ago

But.... they did fix it.

Sy_Wolf1371d ago

I can very easily build you a PC for $400.

Aceman181372d ago (Edited 1372d ago )

meh let him talk all he wants, but he better be ready for the extreme backlash when the next game he releases doesn't operate the way he's claiming they should.

oh dear some people here must think BF4 operates at its maximum peak performance on consoles and PC lol.

MuhammadJA1372d ago

He's right, though. Lots of people claim certain multiplats on consoles are similar to their PC counter parts on ultra settings when this is never and will never be true.

I don't know about exclusives because those are not on PC.

Mithan1372d ago

Clearly far cry 4 won't take advantage of the PC.

esemce1371d ago (Edited 1371d ago )

It probably will take advantage of the better PC hardware even it it's just higher res and framerate.

Just sounds to me like they don't want to lose console game sales.

All this PS4/XB1 version will be like the PC at ultra is pure bollocks there will always be options with the PC versions to push way beyond what the consoles can do even if it's with mods.

Anyone that owns a decent gaming PC and a PS4 knows this.

Johan Andersson knows what he's talking about and you can't blame him for the flaws of the Dice team.

allgamespc20121372d ago

true, but they still have a point. they do push pc hardware and have a very good engine. so theyre not so wrong.

Azzanation1371d ago

Its crazy how you fan boys all think. Last years E3 had Sony take more jabs at any company I have ever seen in the industry of gaming and iv been playing games for more then 20 years. I think Sony need to work on there own games just as much as Frostbite. The best PS4 AAA game made from Sony has a 80 meta score in Imfamous followed by a 73 in Killzone and a poor 54 in Knack. Think before you start hating on others.

warczar1371d ago

Thank god Sony called Microsoft out for there BS anti-consumer policies they were about to unleash . You think DRM and a 24 hour check in were solid ideas? Cause I think they were crap ideas and someone needed to throw jabs, Haymakers, uppercuts, whatever it took to keep Micro from screwing up the console industry worse than they already have. And just so you know, it's better to be a Sony fanboy than a Microsoft apologist.

truefan11371d ago

Even though Battlefield 4 was a broken mess, that does not take away from the facts he stated. 1. Consoles are not PC's and never will be. People build PC's for maximum power and output, consoles are built for convenience. 2. The Order devs are getting carried away with everything EXCEPT gameplay.

r2oB1371d ago

Please explain more about the gameplay mechanics, since you've obviously played the game already.

Ashunderfire861371d ago (Edited 1371d ago )

Yeah it is a shame that Destiny in Alpha build looks good and plays smoother, than a buggy Battlefield 4 game at launch. These guys have a nerve to pick jabs at Ubisoft. Plus Ultra settings on PC for Battlefield 4, don't look that much different than current gen version anyway.

rdgneoz31371d ago

Yep. What's embarrassing is when an Alpha is less buggy than a supposed AAA game at launch. Took them how long to fix things?

user56695101371d ago

NIts funny people say he's hating and taking jabs for saying things that's common sense. This has been known for the longest and I know he's annoyed he have to say it because a lot of people are in denial and will believe the BS PR pub be feeding them.

On this site I have to countlessly say stuff that has been known for decades. And if far cry 2-3 looked miles better than their console counter part what you thing is going to happen on the forth. These use more word play than a pimp. The maybe be was saying these console can NOW do ultra FROM PC's from the last couple of years.

Don't believe me people are going to be playing metro 2033 and thinking this looks amazing. Not know its the PC version from a couple of years. Of gamers are going to see in be like $60 wasn't the collectionnon steam for. $8

I guess this is why they are in denial and hate on us

KeeseToast1371d ago

They are doing much more improvements in Metro 2033 it is not just the PC Version.

Blacktric1371d ago (Edited 1371d ago )


He's literally pointing out a fact you unbelievable manchild. Stop branding everyone who doesn't agree with your one sided opinion as "haterz!". I mean how petty can a fanbase be? Jesus christ...

DLConspiracy1371d ago

I am sorry but people shouldn't blatantly make things up to sell more games. WatchDogs was supposedly running on high settings on consoles. It wasn't. They ended up curbing the PC graphics to make it so though. Now there is a patch for E3 graphics.

I own both the new consoles and there is NO way their game runs far cry on ultra settings with either console without dropping the frames to unplayable. The guy is right. Ubi shouldn't be saying that.

geddesmond1371d ago

Lol as soon as I heard EA I LMAO. All their games are broken and full of bugs on release. I only buy Bioware games from them now cause their the only decent dev they have.

Sounds like this dude is mad that the Frostbite engine doesn't compare to many other peoples gaming engines that are out there.

dcj05241371d ago

To be fair the shipped one broken product which is singular. Not products which is plural.

mediate-this1371d ago

Oh be quiet, bf4 blows the order outta the water in technical graphics, has full on destruction environments, order does not have that.

And he is right, when it comes to games higher framerate is ways better. Bf4 is the most trchnically demanding game on next gen consoles. Fact

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Priestwithgun1372d ago

It actually is a shame ubisoft,I have nothing against consoles(in all honesty) but forcing a ferrari to run like a chevorlet,shame,SHAME!!

starchild1372d ago

I would agree, but I think the quote is taken out of context or the guy simply misspoke. At the time it was released Far Cry 3 on PC was almost like a next gen game compared to the last gen console versions. It was DRAMATICALLY better on the PC.

I have no doubt that Far Cry 4 on the current gen consoles will be equivalent to about the "high" PC settings, while the PC version will have ultra settings as well as far superior anti-aliasing, 60fps+, and higher resolutions.

GamersHeaven1372d ago

It's a shame your games are trash don't be hating on other developers because they can ship a superior product.

TheBurger291372d ago

You may be right but its still pretty pathetic.

bcrazy181371d ago

Ubisoft has already stated that PC is the lead platform. They are making the console versions based off of what is done on the PC version. So, the PC version will be the best version possible and then the consoles will follow suite with similar looking graphics since the architecture is similar to a PC.

Mithan1372d ago

Far cry 4 doesn't have superior graphics if the PC and console versions are the same.

allgamespc20121372d ago

except far cry doesnt hold a candle to frostbite 3 in any way shape or form.

ironfist921371d ago

So Forstbite might look visually better, but Far Cry blows away on the gameplay front by miles.

Tempest3171371d ago

Youre saying the dunia engine doesnt hold a candle to frostbite 3? Because I call shenanigans on that lol yes FB may be better with more potential, but I dont think a single FB3 game so far looks near as good as far cry 3. So saying it cant hold a candle is a massive overstatement

OsirisBlack1372d ago

Battlefield 4 and UFC have made it so EA no longer has a right to criticize anything anyone else does. UFC is 900p on PS4 with only 3 characters on screen in a frikin octagon.Meanwhile Battlefield 4 is still a broken mess and Battlefield Hardline is basically an overpriced expansion to BF4 yes I have played the game and quite a bit. Unless they change EVERYTHING from the PS4 beta it is using recycled BF4 assets.

imt5581372d ago

DICE, why is BF4 a broken online mess?

MGRogue20171372d ago

It used to be.. but not any more, EA has more-or-less sorted most of the issues. Go play and see.

shivvy241371d ago

I played today, hell they have improved it alot. Theres some little minor stuff but its pretty much great now.