Xbox Head Honcho Phil Spencer gave a realistic assessments of what you can expect from DirectX 12 on Xbox One, and about his expectations from first party studios as opposed to third parties.
Phil just crushed somebody's dreams. Lol
Pretty much what everyone else who's not an Xbox fan has been saying
No that is false, Xb1 fans haven't really mentioned DX12 that much. You can search all my comments related to DX12, and you won't find one comment saying it will double XB1 performance. I did say it will be nice to have a 50% more efficient CPU, which is still unverified. And I got that information from the slides of that GDC conference earlier this year. It's pretty funny this statement will mean more to ps4 fans than Xb1 fans. Don't believe look at the main ones commenting saying this will shut xbots up. lol Matter of fact there are only about 5 or 6 true XB1 fans on this site, so really where are all these xbots commenting talking about the cloud and dx12. @LeBruset that was a poor attempt to call me out, keep searching. In you 2 quotes where do I mention how well DX12 will help. i just found it odd an opposing developer cared so much. As for your deal, we need to sweeten the pot a bit, if you can get a couple more of your ps4 buddies like Kingthrash, New Monday, Lukas, and Heavy to join in it's a DEAL. I'm Kind of a big deal on these gaming blogs, TRUEFAN is a worldwide name now, whether you like me or hate me. @LeBruset it's starting to look sad that you are still trying. Keep on searching though, I'm sure I slipped up once. I basically control you, if I can get under your skin that much. It really shouldn't mean that much to you, video games are just toys. @LeBruset stop proving my point, look at all the research you are doing. PS I never said you shouldn't have fun commenting on your hobby, which is what I do. You are clearly irritated. I get personal messages all the time, but I think it's funny people get so upset. Nothing said on this site could make me go out of my way to privately message someone lol. Not saying you have messaged me, but you keep researching trying to find some ammo. Let it go man.
Ready the actual tweet. Person who asked. This might be random but will dx12 be a game changer for xbox one????? And how? why ? Phil@ It will help developers on XBOX One. It's not going to be a massive change but will unlock more capability for devs Phil confirms it is for x box something Sony fans deny on N4G all the time. Hes wording massive. It still going to be good for xb1. Directx12 unlock more capability for devs. So the API is going to help out the xb1.
Yeah, and he just fulfilled everyone else who's not an xbox fan dream with that statement. they're all probably high-fiving eachother.
Or not... Good attempt at igniting yet another pointless console flame war. Anyone who thought DX12 would bring massive, game changing enhancements to the X1 is just, not very intelligent. Hardware is hardware. There is no magic here.
To be honest, Microsoft has been very honest from the beginning. You have to listen to what they say and block out others. One of the system architects at Microsoft explained it a long time ago and people wouldn't listen. DX12 brings some of the advantages from consoles to PC. It also has an advantage of making cross platform development ubiquitous across Xbox One and PC. The major benefit is its ability to get better results from modern multicore CPUs much in a way that the Xbox is doing now. People were claiming miracles would occur but that is not what they said. They even gave a demo showing how DX12 was more efficient than DX11 with CPU time. I seriously fail to see how Microsoft misled anyone.
@truefan. Do u really think some one here is gonna waste time looking at u comment history!(BTW is must be very short with one lonely bubble). I am actually surprise I took the time to replay to ur comment.
'Pretty much what everyone else who's not an Xbox fan has been saying.' Pretty much they are the only ones that ever commented on it.... Half the time the 'non' xbox fans would even post the story and then comment first, too excited like a fat kid who found a smartie. @ megane, well, its better than those with 10 bubbles, with 10 times the trolling BS.
The only person who got crushed was MisterX. For the second time by Phil himself. I think people like that make Phil's job more difficult but promising things that are irrational and unrealistic.
Its great that Phil is upfront with this. I like the fact that he's been honest.
Woah! Am i suddenly in a different universe? I can't believe what im reading here from some people.... You guys were saying for months how much of a game changer DX12 was for the X1, how you can have the audacity to sit there and act all humble and move the goalposts in an attempt to redirect any shame from themselves is pitiful. You guys acted like DX12 was the absolutely saving grace for the X1, and that the power increase would be HUGE. I hate to say i told you so, but i did tell you so. I said again and again that DX12 wouldn't have as much impact as people were hoping for, that it was mainly for the benefit of PC's, and that pinning all your hopes onto it was just setting up yourselves for disappointment. And any time someone chose to doubt DX12, or question it in *any* way, like i did, we got labelled as trolls and downplayers. @KNWS "Phil confirms it is for x box something Sony fans deny on N4G all the time. " Hahaha....what? Stop moving the goalposts, no one said that. I heard many people say that it would benefit PC much more than the X1, never did i see someone say DX12 wasn't for Xbox, everyone and their dog knows that the 'X' in 'Xbox' is because of Direct X. Stop making things up, because you are one of the guys who thought DX12 would be a game changer, don't make me show people the PM's i have from you about DX12. "It's not going to be a massive change" That part of the quote goes directly against what ive been hearing from Xbox fanboys for the past few months. Maybe this will be a lesson learned about counting your chickens (and bragging about them) before they have hatched? Probably not.....
So it won't help the X1 in a massive way. But it will benefit the X1 regardless. That's good to know. What's also good to know is that this DX12 argument should be put to rest finally.
No, check my posts, like most X1 fans I've always said DX12 is just another tool/asset, plus many more to come that will improve X1 over the years which is typical of how ALL consoles/software works, all the secret sauce talk is from that mister guy and ps fanboys who hope X1 doesnt constantly improve. lol, which is so silly, I mean micro is a software giant so you would expect them to QUICKLY build better tools, SDK'S to improve their platform. -Tell 'em Phil: "It will help developers on Xbox One. It's NOT going to be a massive change BUT will unlock more capability for devs." "I don't think it's about a specific genre, more about creating exclusive franchises, taking some risks 3rd parties might not take." -Phil Spencer Phil is doing a great job, it's ambitious but realistic talk like this that I enjoy.
Check my previous comments....I've been saying that since February. Hardware is hardware. Software helps but its not gunna "even" things out. Truefan ..lol. OK whatever man.
@Eonjay You are right they did not, but every developer and wanna-be-developer said other wise. +b. That is the reason why the DX12 message is scrambled. Its good that MS has said something confirming what some of us already knew but it still does not change the fact that some still think there is some secret sauce. So I guess the next thing we will here for a while until confirmation is that the cloud will make a difference once Crackdown 3 is shown using the tech.
@truefan1 "Matter of fact there are only about 5 or 6 true XB1 fans on this site, so really where are all these xbots commenting talking about the cloud and dx12." And just what is your extreme standard for judging someone a true XB1 fan? Is it making extreme and hyperbolic statements like you engage in? You engage in illogical hyperbole routinely and refuse to be accountable for it. That's pretty disingenuous to challenge people to find in your comment history where you said that DX12 will double XB1 performance. xHeavYx didn't imply, directly or indirectly, that anyone did. What was being called out was the illogical hyping of DX12, and hyping is something you and others are quite guilty of. Kind of like when you said XB1 won't lose to PS4 more than 2/7 months from June on. So speaking of challenges and being accountable for outlandish statements, I'm still awaiting your response. http://n4g.com/user/useract...
Maybe Xbox Fanboys, but fans? Stupid fanboys war
@truefan1: "No that is false, Xb1 fans haven't really mentioned DX12 that much." *cough*BS*cough* you, out of everyone here, have consistently yammered on about DX12 ever since they announced it... This just confirms what everyone who isn't deluded have been saying for months now - that it won't benefit xbone as much as PC. And it comes from your saviour, too. Despite being proven wrong (again), you continue to move those goalposts, and try to pin the blame for the false hope of DX12's impact on playstation fans? Wow... I'm looking forward to whoever it is to post every single comment you've made talking about an exponential increase in performance because of DX12.
@Eonjay "I seriously fail to see how Microsoft misled anyone." - Yep it was the fact someone people were going with this misleading article http://n4g.com/news/1487034... and the PC benchmark here comparing PC DX11 to PC DX12 "Tested on GIGABYTE BRIX Pro (Intel Core i7-4770R + Iris Pro Graphics 5200)" that people got the up to 50% improvement when MS has never hinted at that metric for XB1 none does it make that much sense looking the the low-end multi-core processors in both consoles. http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dir...
Xbox has been steadily closing the gap between the systems when you look at current multiplatforms compared to launch ones. Even just a little performance boost from DX12 is going to close that gap completely or put X1 ahead.
@Alex Wishful thinking much?
It truly was the sony fanboys making it a bigger deal than it was. No one said DX12 would make the x1 more powerful. Xbox fans and fanboys said it would make development easier and improve design. Sony fanboys kept going on and on about how dx12 wouldnt do anything while misquoting fans about how dx12 was a saving grace. There is no doubt Xbox One was built with DX12 in mind and I am positive developers will be happy once they get their hands on it for making xbox games. Edit: I love how the sony fanboys are having a party in this artcile. Stay classy guys.
@alex I would pretend to be amazed at your comment, but I talked to a couple of XB1 owners over the weekend that actually believed the XB1 is already ahead of the PS4, even in sales. @Truefan Remember when Naughty Dog tried to warn about hyping DX12 for XB1 to unrealistic levels and you responded with: "ND must be threatened to issue this statement, especially saying pure marketing hyperbole. He sounds like all of you, this must be pre June 2nd damage control. Also sony execs sure worry alot about what MSFT is doing, saying DX12 will do nothing and planning a reactionary E3. "This guy must be privileged to get access to DX12 this early lol. This damage control excites me, because if it was nothing the ICE TEAM wouldn't care. #1.1.4" http://n4g.com/comments/red...
@truefan - "Xb1 fans haven't really mentioned DX12 that much" Holy **** did I just read that??????????????????? Edit - Nice job johndoe. I wasn't going to bother, but that's a good representative sample. People who disagreed with statements like those were labeled trolls and haters. "Fear" was another word being thrown around if someone was sensible enough to argue with that crap.
@truefan1 The call out demonstrated exactly what it was meant to: that you are immune to reason and prone to illogical statements. Not only could you not accept what Naughty Dog was saying about DX12, but you went so far as to insist that they were afraid. Yet, do you take any accountability for being proven wrong, again? Nope. As for that deal, let's inject some reality. You have one, well deserved, bubble. I have five. Going by that, I already have more to lose than you. Now you want to involve others as well,including Lukas with his 10 bubbles? That's up to them whether they want to get in on that action, if they want to demand some of your ilk get in on it too, or whatever. The only thing in our control is you and I accepting the deal. So man up and stop trying to hide behind ridiculous conditions that are beyond my lone ability to consent to. Have some accountability for what you said, since you were so sure of it. Btw, I hope Phil has now made clear to you the "true power of DX12." "I hope June 2nd they reveal the true power of DX12 and show what the XB1 can do. I just refuse to believe MSFT spent all that money on a customized GRU for nothing." http://n4g.com/comments/red... "Say what you want, but the ps4 is already getting maxed out. It has essentially peaked and if you noticed their first party games are running 30fps, infamous, drive club, and the order. XB1 had been more frame rate focused and is expected to get better with DX12. XB1 already has a faster CPU, and a 50% utilization reduction could be huge. For all that 50% more powerful ultra computer, not one game has even looked 5% better. "For XB1 There Is just so much potential with titled resources using the esRAM and cloud computing. I'll take the jokes in the now, but by time Halo comes out you will see the complete package and see which was built for the future. Maybe even Remedy will be the first compete package by year end. "PS boyd said near future, E3 perhaps, I have a feeling some "cloud" "DX12" presentations are in order for the biggest gaming stage. MSFT leadership knows what's at stake, they know the skepticism, they are just putting it on people's radar." http://n4g.com/comments/red... "Don't be mad at him, he is just mad the ps4 has already peaked, what you see is what you get. What has been said about DX12 scares him." " http://n4g.com/comments/red...
@truefan1 Alexxkoepp – “DX12 is going to be a game changer.” http://n4g.com/news/1512546... Georgenoob - “you just can't deny the huge leap in performance it will bring.” http://n4g.com/news/1512546... Morepowerofgreen – “DX12 could allow XB1 to do things no other console can hope to achieve” http://n4g.com/news/1512546... KNWS - directx12 full features will be coming to xb1 http://n4g.com/news/1532306... Lifeisgamesok - Directx 12 and by what Nvidia, Intel, and AMD are saying will be one of the biggest tech advances in some time http://n4g.com/news/1495045... A lot more i can post but I'm too damn lazy to do all that writing.
How on earth does truefan get a "well said" for that drivel. Who should be banned for the amount of flaming lies he just spewed
@Wh15ky What I'm going to say are not facts, just assumptions, but if there was a mod who liked Xbox more than PS, and if that mod were to rate a comment by, let's just say, Truefan, it would automatically show as "Well Said"
Thanks heavy, I always wondered about that as there are quite often some very dubious "well said" and "intelligent" comments. Does he not get another bubble now though?
@Heavy: I've suspected this for a while, thanks for giving this theory some credence (the 'well said' theory, I mean) @John Doe: Excellent research, my good man.
@truefan1 "it's starting to look sad that you are still trying. Keep on searching though, I'm sure I slipped up once. I basically control you, if I can get under your skin that much. It really shouldn't mean that much to you, video games are just toys." I don't need to keep trying. Herb Dean has already jumped in to stop the fight. It really wasn't difficult. You provide a lot of material, which I just copied and pasted in the rest period between bench press sets. I guess my holding you accountable is getting to you, as you've gone from trying to pretend my comments don't exist to laughably trying to dodge that challenge by trying to involve people that had nothing to do with the claims you made directly to me, while delusionally referring to yourself as a world brand. And you're obviously keeping that one post of yours alive to be edited so you can respond, so that's a fail for your attempt at reverse psychology to get me to back off of criticizing your hyperbole. Oh, and thanks for the ammo: "I basically control you, if I can get under your skin that much. It really shouldn't mean that much to you, video games are just toys." My account — The only one I have ever had. Can you say the same? — with 5 bubbles, has 831 comments, including this one. You, with one bubble, have 710 comments, which doesn't take into account the edits you use to get the most out of that bubble. I've gone months without commenting, outside of the giveaways where I simply typed an ellipses to be eligible. How about you? Can you even say you've gone a week? A day (Bans don't count.)? Here's another stat for you: My join date is 21 May 2013. Yours is 06 Jan 2014. Your account is 7 months and some change newer than mine, mine has 5 bubbles vs your 1, yet you are already at 710 comments — NOT COUNTING YOUR EDITS! — versus my 831. Goodnes, Truefan1. It really shouldn't mean that much to you. Video games are just toys.
One of those articles that makes you wish N4G had a better searching tool, so you could pull up certain users' comments that mention Dx12. Or maybe that would just cause things to get out of hand. Not many people like to be shamed :)
@truefan1 Wow! Comment 3hrs ago, last edited 12mins ago. Still keeping this comment alive after 3 hrs! You may as well be PMing him, he's obviously managed to get "under your skin that much", why else would you keep your comment editable?
@truefan1 How embarrassing. Have some dignity.
I think I'm starting to like Phil. He just made a ton of Xbox fanboys eat crow.
you know full well that this article has crushed lots of xbox fanboys dreams when truefan1 is the 3rd comment down and it's almost the size of an essay excusing everything away. Fantastic! :P
Everyone but hardcore misterxmedia fans and the delusional xbone fans on here knew this, the whole point in dx12 is to make pc gaming as efficient as console gaming, who ever thought it would do much for console is just stupid. @LeCreuset and johndoe11211 LMFAO you guys ate the troll alive.
Oh my god this this whole reply thread is hilarious!
You MS fanboys are right, Phil is an alright guy. He just squashed the delusions/beliefs of all you MS fanboys. We've been telling you this all along. And I love how Truefan thinks he's a big name, but doesn't realize that people know him for being a big joke.
Quick, my X-brethren! Help me move these goal posts before it's too late!! "Graphics don't matter!" "The Kinect changes and cloud will be enough to bridge the gap!" Whew! That was close!
Lol MisterXmedia! Just lol! http://i.imgur.com/vECyKnZ.... @LeCreuset & johndoe Well, well done. I just wrote similar shit in post bellow and get lots of disagree votes.
@truefan You really have to learn when to back off, especially when your are full of shit. We all read the comments about the second coming aka direct x 12 and the cloud both of which turned out to be 'of some help' and dedicated servers respectively. Trying to downplay your blind reaction/support on both those xbox1 'upgrades' (both officially debunked) is embarrassing to you and all Xbox supporters out there. Just be quite for a change.
lol, truefanboy got owned.. repeatedly. I almost feel bad for them... but I don't.
Not really, he didn't even mention anything in regards to power or performance. He said it wouldn't be a big change, and im sure he was referencing the API for developers. But ofcourse this is n4g and this thread is already nearly 200 posts deep. Let the fanboys revel in their victory lol
He's being honest and realistic, which is what some people tend not to be. Gotta love that. Remember the dude (which is actually a developer) that said it's gonna double the power of the GPU?
I dont think that developer had access to it yet. He spoke too soon.
@ausbo: The funny thing is that he seems to be developing a demo for it.
Well, their word should have been taken for a grain of salt. Officially, Microsoft never made those exaggerated claims. But by the same token, we have to trust Phil when he says that the Kinect reserve will boost performance, which also seems realistic on a per title basis.
I've been saying the same thing for weeks. Consoles already have that "to the metal" aspect that DX12 is trying to bring to PC. So glad someone finally cleared it up. Nothing like having a good chuckle at all the people that argued self imagined misconceptions about how this was going to work and then being shot down by their own favored company. I just hope they take advantage of DX12 and start porting some games over to PC, even if it's a year after the console release. My most anticipated game is a new Fable, but not the Fable Legends spin-off, I want a story-oriented one like before and I want it to really have passion put into it.
The whole "makes xbox 50% more powerful!" claim stemmed from a ****ty gamingbolt article that stuck some slides from a presentation together without the correct context. It was never actually what Microsoft said.
Abriael we know dx12 is not going to double the performance but I can guarantee that it will increase the performance by at least 15-20%. So it is great news anyway.
@aussibadger If you really think its gonna be anywhere near a 15% increase you need to see a DR, the xbone will at most get a 5% increase, its an update that basically just does what the xbone already does, nothing new, all it does is help pcs be as efficient as consoles when programming software for it.
Taking risk can usually includes financial risk. Most indies can not afford to showcase the full ambition of their intended design. What Phil has done hear is quail the expectations of some fans who may have expected DX12 to blow PS4 away performance wise. But he still leaves open that fact that improvements are to be expected. @Eonjay: good sensible commenting. So many people here go out of their way to tray an insult or degrade other because of their choice of a GAMING console. So what if a few X1 fans had high hopes for DX12. They are not the developer and are getting info enforces those excitements. Boy will be boys though and of course this is going to be used by many to say X1 is trash and will remain trash. But it is not trash and is already performing even better in upcoming games.
I've told some fanboys that but they did not listen to me lol Good job Phil you just Smashed hopes lol
Big changes are not massive changes. They've already demoed big changes that dx12 brings . Massive would be achieving graphic level of Blizzard's CGIs which is ridiculous to even think of. 30% boost? Sure. They've already showed 50% boost in cpu load on PC thanks to dx12 and that's what we should expect. That's still pretty big, especially for a console like XBOX ONE where you can snap browser/videos/skype calls and whatever else in the bg. That's CPU heavy.
do you even understand how Dx 12 works for pc?! Phil Spencer "console like API" its going to reduce the latency from cpu to gpu. its going to be huge for pc but almost nothing for console because they are built with that in mind
Phil basically prove to everybody that DX12 won't magically powerup but just give it a boost.
Phil Spencer is a pretty smart fella indeed.... DX12 impact on xb1 is going to interesting.
So it will be a standard boost for X1. Meaning X1 will still benefit from it in some way. I'm glad Phil's honest and isn't giving us a PR circle now we can move along.
"So it will be a standard boost for X1." What exactly is a standard boost? "Meaning X1 will still benefit from it in some way." Yeah, the main benefit for Xbone, is that it will help Xbone developers port games from PC (and vice versa).
The boost comes from better allocation of the memory bus/controller and better overall use of processing threads within the APU itself. DX12 gives developers API's to do such abilities as routine things, instead of having to make up workarounds to get it to work. I explained it in detail once a while back(can't find the comment now) and got a lot of disagrees, even though I was saying it would improve things some. Probably because I said there's no way those things would add up to doubling X1's processing power...which was the current assumption at the time. Otherwise, this was good of Phil to clear the air about. Seen way too many assumptions on this subject, and way too much hyperbole while I was at it. It's never a good thing to set the customers expectations to an unachievable level, which was done more by a few very passionate Xbox fans.
Not really...EVERYONE has been saying this same thing. The only people saying otherwise is really just PS fanboys trying to build a strawman argument...and a few Xbox Fanboys...other than that everyone else was being much more realistic. Please stop making up arguments to try and make others look stupid for things they haven't said. Everytime DX12 comes up we are reminded that X1 already has a low level API...we all know this, and the advantage will be more about tools that it can give devs...everyone with half a brain has been saying this as soon as it was revealed. Every little bit helps, I just hope that is makes using the ESRAM much easier for Devs to take advantage of, that's what I've more so been concerned with the whole time. Either way, it's already looking like with the June SDK, there is less need for a "massive" boost in performance. @skydragoon To be fair..the "delusional arguments" have always been from the PS4 side of the camp on this issue. I keep hearing Sony fans say that Xbots are saying this will change the world, but I typically only see Xbox Fans saying that it will help, but it's more about giving tools.
Alexxkoepp – “DX12 is going to be a game changer.” http://n4g.com/news/1512546... Georgenoob - “you just can't deny the huge leap in performance it will bring.” http://n4g.com/news/1512546... Morepowerofgreen – “DX12 could allow XB1 to do things no other console can hope to achieve” http://n4g.com/news/1512546... KNWS - directx12 full features will be coming to xb1 http://n4g.com/news/1532306... Lifeisgamesok - Directx 12 and by what Nvidia, Intel, and AMD are saying will be one of the biggest tech advances in some time http://n4g.com/news/1495045...
"EVERYONE has been saying this same thing" Come on man… You're on N4G enough to know that isn't true.
@John Holy crap. You just owned the biggest Xbox Fans on N4G plus you made them look like a bunch of fools in the process by using their Idol against them. The Xbox fans that I respect should do something about them because they are only ruining the image of Xbox One owners.
@Johndoe: Giving you another bubble, just because~
I implore anyone who is anyone to screen cap @johndoe11211 for future ownage of said users that are mentioned in his comment. Truly a sight to see and now we have all resident xbox fanboys now denying that they were even banking on DX12 being a massive game changer. Holy lord this is a fun day on N4g. The hypocrisy is flowing green today! edit: Corvusmd you just got served sir.