CCG discusses whether graphics really matter in games or not.
They shouldn't at this point, in fact not everything should be striving to look "realistic", but that is what all the major publishers are indeed striving for. And failing for the most part. So when they don't, because they can't, everyone goes nuts for no real reason.
Yes and No. Great Graphics and a Great Art-style are another way to differentiate your game form the rest of the pack. If you look at the Uncharted trailer, and they manage to hit that in game, then there's nothing competing with Uncharted 4 on console, and even most high end PC's. At the same time you can look at the Zelda for Wii U trailer, and even though the Wii U is much weaker hardware, it's still a great looking game that most people wouldn't think twice about what hardware it's running on. The first thing you see when you see a new game is how it looks, just like you're physically attracted to certain people. The most important thing is to make sure the actual gameplay is good, plays well, is fun, and enjoyable to you. Great graphics don't make a great game. Great gameplay does. Great graphics are just the cherry on top of a great game.
I'm tired of the constant talk on graphics. Yeah they matter. Just like having tight controls, solid fps and gameplay matter. I understand in certain games there's one emphasis on one thing then the other but at the end its all about balance.
Of all the things you mentioned graphics are by far the less important. Graphics will never make or break a game but dips in framerate, bad controls and most importantly crap gameplay will.
@Always Art style and graphics always matter of course. But tight controls and gameplay is what keeps ppl coming back. Its one of the main aspects of conversation is gameplay. A gamer can only talk about the graphic's for so long if the gameplay aren't great enough. They'll say "The graphics are top notch but gameplay is weak or uninspiring" At that point its only a matter of time until he moves on to something else.
"So when they don't, because they can't, everyone goes nuts for no real reason." You have the PC community to thank for that. For example, I watched Total Biscuit's thoughts on Sony's E3 conference today, and so much of it was dedicated to whining about framerate. Or look at The Order 1886. The devs want to go for a cinematic feel to the game, but most of the complaints about that come from armchair developers belonging to the PC community who seem to think that there is either no such thing as a "cinematic" resolution/framerate combo, or that you can get that cinematic feel at higher resolutions/framerate and there's no excuse not to. Or the constant emphasis on graphical enhancement mods. Hell, a site called dsogaming posts nothing but Skyrim graphics mod stories on N4G. Not saying that console gamers don't share any blame, but console gamers had no problem with 30 FPS before PC gamers started harping on and on about it. Console gamers didn't care about polygon counts, what kind of anti-aliasing is being used and at what count, etc... etc.. etc... Developers have been told, by the loudest members of a community that are known for entitlement and whining, that graphics are what is the most important aspect of a game. Total Biscuit himself will not buy most games if they aren't higher than 30FPS. He only makes exceptions for games like Bloodborne and only because, as a spiritual successor to the Souls series, his opinion is that the gameplay is robust enough that playing at 30FPS doesn't hamper the experience, but he'd still prefer playing at 60FPS. Graphics only matter to a point. Beyond that point is just putting them over substance. We've seen what the obsession with visuals has done to movies, games are next on the list.
Please... console gamers for years, were constantly telling pc gamers that none of those things mattered to them . It matters to them now because it gives them a sense of superiority towards people that choose to play on other consoles. They are nothing but hypocrites and I don't see how or why PC gamers are to blame for it. "Graphics only matter to a point. Beyond that point is just putting them over substance" this I agree with.
TB is a PC fanboy who is only going to complain/dismiss consoles. In fact I don't think he's ever touched or mentioned Nintendo. Unless it was about the dumb things they've done on Youtube, which he then uses as excuse not to cover Nintendo games. If he's ever.
Imalwaysright: You realize that you just proved my point right? If console gamers were telling PC gamers that that stuff didn't matter to them, that means PC gamers were bringing it up and saying it mattered, which is what I said. PC gamers compare apples to oranges all the time, console gamers can only compare apples to apples because all consoles are designed very similarly. Godmars290: I agree, he is a HUGE PC fanboy, but some of what he says is mirrored by people who mainly game on PC but also game on consoles. This attitude of "I won't buy a game that isn't over 30FPS" is stupid entitlement and unproductive and is part of the many reasons developers, like Rockstar for example, don't care for developing for the PC. There are legitimate complaints to make about games, such as when Bethesda releases any game and its filled with billions of bugs, and then there's stupid reasons to complain and not buy a game, such as the framerate isn't over 30FPS.
This is for everybody that post on this article: please post only if you care or not about graphics , don't say stupid stuff like 'yes and no' or 'maybe or may not' , makes no sense saying stupid stuff like that.
They do matter but they are far from the most important thing.
"Do Graphics Matter?" Sure, and that's why i got a PC, end of story. exclusives are why you get a console. if you want the latest and greatest graphics don't look to something that ages.
It's very simple it comprehend isn't it.
this is such a bait article
They should matter. Would you enjoy and really get into playing an 8bit racing game or a game that looks like project cars? Depends on the game. But better graphics help immerse the player in the story and feel for the characters. Spoilers............... In The Last of Us where his daughter dies in the beginning, that scene moved a lot of people. Had they been graphically challenged, it would almost definitely have had no impact emotionally.
The point is that if a game comes in at 720P, it shouldn't be majorly chastised for not being 1080P. That devs and publishers shouldn't hold to such absolutes especially if it sacrifices gameplay. Yet they have to the point where the industry is pretty much stagnating.
They say video games is an escape from reality to another place and another time albeit virtual ones. But in order to create a believable place you have to create a the atmosphere of it. In rock music artists use sound to create it. In video games artists use both sound and graphics like they do in movies. As gamers gets more mature the demand for believable atmosphere is more important than ever. Wether its to convey grandeur, fear, horror, suspense, mystery, fun, excitement, speed, and specially story the role of graphics is very very important in video games. During the 8 bit & 16 bit era game developers try their very best to replicate reality in their game design using a handful of pixels & colours. They strove so hard to make their graphics believable in that obligatiry forest stage, or lava stage or icy snowy level design ; from Pac Man to Uncharted 2 and now Uncharted 4. Shouldn't we be proud that gaming has came a long long way and be very appreciative of progress? Why are we downplaying the importance of video game graphics for fanboyism's sake? John Madden once said that the top brass of NFL came up to him one day after seeing his Madden football game on PS3 and said " We want those kind of graphics in our broadcasts." This is how important video game graphics has become.
You don't need to make a photorealistic experience to have an effective medium of escapism. Books have been able to accomplish it by provoking your imagination to create realities in your own mind, so games don't have to mimic reality at all to be believable. All things in this arena are subjective. If the only way a person can believe a game is by that game mimicking life as closely as possible, then that person has the wrong hobby. Escapism is about placing you in unfamiliar territory, not understandable territory. Graphics are not important. You can't play graphics. People who focus so much on graphics are the kind of people who are divas. Specifically fashion divas. They are also the type of person that judges anything first and foremost by appearance and/or image, and that's NEVER a good way to judge anything. Graphics are the most shallow aspect of games, and trying to make them important will in turn make games shallow because all effort will be placed in making the games look good more than actually being good. There are a crap ton more memorable old school games with non-realistic graphics than there are new games with photorealism as a priority.
Are you serious??? You sound like Mr. Saturo " Shaders Don't Matter" Iwata. How can you show a game and its game play without graphics? So you are the type of gamer who plays on a black screen...was it fun? LMAOL! No graphics to show gameplay there is no game to play, genius. And who said photo realism is the be all and end all of graphics? "People who focus so much on graphics are the kind of people who are divas. Specifically fashion divas. They are also the type of person that judges anything first and foremost by appearance and/or image, and that's NEVER a good way to judge anything. " LOL! Tell that to Hiroshi Yamauchi of Nintendo in his grave. He never played a single NES, SNES, N64 or Gamecube game during his term as CEO & President yet he was able to approve a crap load of million seller hits just by looking at the graphics. "Yamauchi believed that technicians did not create excellent games, but artists did." http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... Yeah these NES games are the "crap ton more memorable old school games with non-realistic graphics than there are new games with photorealism as a priority." Of course they are non realistic given the technology available back then. But game developers wanted more than a few colors & pixels. I am glad many game developers don't think like you because if they do video games would have never progressed to the strong & successful industry it is today.
Your hyperbolic, exaggerated post is hilarious. Saying that artists make excellent games proves that Yamauchi valued art style, not graphics. None of the NES or SNES games could be considered graphical powerhouses, especially when compared with the competitors they had at the time. What was always unique about Nintendo's games were their style. That you continue to try and emphasize that graphics are the most important aspect just makes you a shallow person unable to appreciate anything more than a pretty game.
You can't compare a book to video games. You are the artist, GPU for the books. Do you turn off your tv while playing games and imagine what you are doing? Do you watch TV and close your eyes and imagine cartoon 8bit actors? Graphics matter and as for NES and SNES if they could of achieved graphics of today they would of. They had no choice. They were great games but graphics have a huge impact on story. The more real the characters look, the more we connect with them. If the entire industry felt graphics didn't matter they would never have wasted R&D and tons of money advancing consoles and games. PC should go back to 1980s GPU and processors for gaming as well right? No need to have a badass rig if all you want is top down C&C graphics or NES.
Final Fantasy 2 on NES still remains to me one of the best rpg ever and why was it ? certainly not graphic but gameplay and story. Literally i treated it as if i was reading a book and made images in my head. You dont need graphic to looks great or realistic it does not matter more than a great story and gameplay.
Yet another article talking about whether or not graphics matter.... talk about beating a dead horse
Of course they dont matter, thats why everyone is still playing atari at home and why no one bothers buying the new console on release day and why no one buys remakes of games when they come out.
Graphical leaps matter... but when the difference between them is so indiscernible it doesn't matter.
If games were still being made for Atari, people would play them. Your argument is weak.
Yeh you sure put up a good argument there your self derp. OT graphics matter as much as anything else matters people in general want the full package, otherwise why upgrade graphics at all. If graphics didn't matter we wouldn't have 100 pc elitists crying every time a dev says a console game looks as good or better, don't believe ? Go check the planet side 2 article about the ps4 version looking better.
My argument is fact. A gamer plays games, not graphics.
There are games being made for the Atari 2600, it has a very active homebrew scene. They've done some amazing things with it. But No, nobody who owned a 2600 ever thought the graphics were good. That's why Intellivision and Colecovision really pushed how much better their visuals were.
If graphics don't matter to you then don't spend the hundreds on a new console. Go out and buy NES, SNES, Genesis, Jaguar and the other consoles as there are 100's of games you have not played on those and fall into the graphics category you are looking for. Or buy a PS4 and only play indie low budget games.
Well if the new 2014 Godzilla movie looked like the 1950s original Godzilla, or if they kept releasing say GTA sequels with GTA san andreas graphics people would be complaining and wanting an upgrade. Also with "better graphics" and high polygon counts developers are able to portray more visual emotion and depth into their characters, if The Last of Us looked like minecraft it would have never captured the proper feel and atmosphere that made the game so great. So yes graphics do matter....Art Style on the other hand is completely different. I mean which would you rather play? http://i.imgur.com/cYPAoeT....
Personally I'll take good gameplay design over technically proficient graphics any day. That being said few games these days look bad, it's rare to find a game that looks ugly and play great.
Let me get a good story and great graphics is that to much to ask 4 ?
Visuals can certainly help make a game more enjoyable but IMO they are the least important aspect to a good game. For me personally, in order from most important to least. Gameplay Story Audio Physics Graphics Also as far as visuals are concerned, art style is more important than realism. Games like Okami and Borderlands are much more appealing to me than games like CoD or Battlefield.
Currently playing Tetris on my Black and White 20 year old Gameboy. Sorry, what was the question of this article again?
The problem is people treating resolution as graphics when they are not the same thing. The resolutions may differ by a good margin at times, but the actual graphics are virtually the same.
inb4 Someone makes some utterly retarded "DEN PLAY AT 640x480 AND SAY GRAFIKZ AREN IMPUTUNT!!!" argument.
Graphics do matter to a certain extent. What's the use of new consoles if doesn't?
Well to some green fanboys, it does matter if their console of choice is superior in hardware. But its not in reality so they will say gameplay matters rather than graphics. But the last 2 consoles they always brag about how powerful their console is. talking about double standards.
"Do Graphics Matter?" has become such an intelligence-blackhole of a question. No one discusses it in the same context and fanboys just love it for dismissing graphical differences that leave their system behind.
If they dont then why do we buy new consoles?
In the long run the gameplay and story are usually the biggest part if any game but sometimes the games visuals and graphics are what tell the story (journey) so in some games the graphics are the most important part
for me yeasssssssssssss i even throw ugly games in trash bin .
They do matter, thats why you have so many "ps4 is 1080p, x1 is 900p" flamebait articles, people love hearing that their console is one upping the other one but once you bring PC in to the equation graphics dont matter no more its all about the gameplay! bunch of hypocrites.
This whole concept skirts the issue. Sure good graphics don't make a game good, and poor graphics can ruin the experience. But the whole graphics fight shenanigans really only applies to multiplatform. If i have a ps3 and a ps4 i'm likely going to get the ps4 version because it's prettier. Same idea but to a lesser extent with XO. If i had both next gen systems and assuming everything else was equal, why wouldn't i pick the one that's slightly prettier if it was indeed the only deciding factor.
To a certain extent but it does not mean it will be successful, look at Planetside 2 its so ugly and grinds bad but some people actually like it.
Of course graphics matter, the question should of been do numbers matter?
Look the whole comparisons, head to heads, digital foundry stuff. Is totally obsolete. I mean who games with a magnifying glass on there heads. If you truly want to make a comparison on how graphics matter or not.. Then film a tv or 2 tv's next to each other to do a console comparison and then film the tv's 3 meters or so from the sofa. Yes Graphics Matter. but it isn't going to be a big issue anymore since the graphics "are" and going to look very nice this gen! In the end it's gameplay that keeps a gamer committed. I mean if the Order is Linear it is less fun! if Fable legends is less open world its going to be less fun.. If battlefield 4 is buggy it's going to be less fun. It's not Graphics, it's Art Direction and Gameplay that defines a great game, and indie titles are proof of that!
Gameplay over graphics anyday.If I want the best graphics I will go back to pc. All consoles look good graphicwise to me.
Depends on the game
Graphics only matter if you are comparing the PS4 to the Xbox One but if you bring in PC than they don't matter.
The articles dealing with this topic need to stop being promoted...the answer is no, graphics do not matter when it comes to console games. The most important attribute to any console game is the gameplay mechanics, without solid/fluid gameplay mechanics, games might as well not exist. As long as the visuals are acceptable is all that matters, beyond that they're irrelevant.
Graphics do matter. But Game play matters more. And just because some games have great graphics and poor gameplay, that's nothing to do with it. The game would have been poor anyway.
Art direction is more important than graphics.
yeah graphics matter to an extent, no where near how important gameplay is. people get to focused on the pixels these days rather than gameplay. ill take a game at 900p any day as long as its got good gameplay
Graphics definitely matter... the question is how much though.
Gameplay, story, characters, pacing, and graphics all matter truly great games have all of these. Graphics matter to help set the tone of a game and the feel of that world. Games can have great graphics in all art styles. Take E3 for example look at Sunset Overdrive, The Order and Zelda all looked great but all looked really different. Can you imagine playing Mario if it looked like Splinter Cell, or COD that had Zelda WW graphics? The graphics have to fit the game
Yes, if you are programed for them to matter.
Saying that graphics dont matter is like saying, dick size doesnt matter.
Strange... Last gen they did, and then this gen with the xbone being the lesser visually suddenly then don't matter? Coincidence? Nope! If visuals don't matter then we could have kept using the ps2 and original Xbox. From then till now everyone thought they were important. The ones that have changed their minds this year are just making excuses for a console that isn't up to par. But if they are serious about visuals meaning nothing then they will happily not buy whatever ms comes up with next.
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