The ability to stream video of live gameplay straight from a console through a streaming service like Twitch has become an important, identifying part of next-gen gaming.
While I don't use twitch I can still see its uses. I would have to disagree with Nintendo here. You would think they would want to embrace as much as they could at this point, and by having Twitch functionality you are getting people to see games being played that maybe they wouldn't stop to give a second glance to. It's a chance for some extra sales. Only issues I can see is when it comes to the video broadcasting part (if they had that feature). I don't believe the camera built into the gamepad is really very good for video (never used the chat feature yet) and if a gamer is using the gamepad, how can they broadcast video? All you would see is up the player's nose the entire time XD. I guess Nintendo could come out with a camera peripheral to remedy that or they could only allow voice chat to go along with the streaming of the actual game. Still, I think it's a little narrow minded to simply rule it out right away.
"Nintendo: Wii U won't get Twitch gameplay streaming because it's not fun to watch" No the wii u wont get twitch gameplay, cause their system cant handle it. Unlike Sony and Microsoft, Nintendo doesnt that dedicates twitch streaming...
what do you mean their system can't handle it? It handles streaming via Netflix perfectly fine. Your statment makes no sense..
I don't own a Wii U so can't confirm but if it has a web browser and you can browse to twitch.tv then I would imagine it can *ahem* handle it.
im talking about streaming and playing the game at the same time...In other words livestreaming your play session and putting it on twitch...
@Neon It's hard to say if the system would have the power or not for broadcasting. Watching isn't the problem, but broadcasting takes up resources. You can test that by streaming a game via twitch on the PC. You will notice that your performance will be lower when broadcasting gameplay. The PS4 as example has an extra ARM chipset that os independent from the APU to take care of those things.
Nintendo won't allow Twitch gameplay streaming because they can't make some revenue from it like what they're trying to do with that whole YouTube fiasco. ;) Edit I also think the hardware isn't capable of it
This is exactly what I was thinking. "Not fun" = "not possible" on Wii U. I'm sure they'd have to dedicate some ram to it and also it'd have to use some of the CPU/GPU to some extent just to run in the background capturing your live stream of whatever app/game you are playing. They need every last drop of that power, considering the system is slighty above a PS3/360 in overal horsepower. So, I doubt we'll be seeing any crazy background stuff like that going on, as X1 and PS4 continue to expand on apps. I think the people responding to you don't understand for whatever reason. They think you're talking about Wii handling just going to Twitch on it's browser. Dunno why they'd be thinking that, obviously you mean it being setup to stream from and totally integrated from the OS side. I won't say it isn't possible, but the console really is massively underpowered, that's compared to the X1 which is already known to be around 40-50% weaker on GPU alone than PS4. If they could get it in there at the OS level like PS4, it would definitely use some ram up, and they only have 2gb total, 1 for OS, 1 for games. So, if that 1 for OS isn't taken up, they can use a lil ram from there to get it going, but it seems the system is underpowered enough that it'd be hard to get it all going without causing hickups or issues with the game/app you are playing at the same time.
"what do you mean their system can't handle it? It handles streaming via Netflix perfectly fine" *Facepalm* Rendering, capturing, and sending a stream with livestreaming is NOT the same thing as receiving a stream from Netflix. Wii U has a considerably weaker CPU and less RAM than it's 8th gen counterparts; it probably WOULD struggle with streaming performance. It's the streaming going OUT that would suffer, not just any of the streams being WATCHED. And, you know, maybe let your fans decide what's "fun" or not. People seem to enjoy Twitch.
@SilentNegotiator I guess it would depend on what game we are talking about broadcasting now wouldn't it? While you might be right for more hardware taxing games like MK8, it's hard to say that it wouldn't be possible with indie games, etc. make fun of me all you want but you have no clue for sure if it could or couldn't, you just make assumptions and try to put other people down without any proof.
I'm sorry if I came off too abrasive, but I didn't intend to direct that solely at you; I would have hoped that gamers had a better understanding of technology than that. And I certainly wasn't trying to "make fun" of you. My honest apologies if I was too much. I'm sure it would work well with less taxing titles and not as well with bigger titles, but then it wouldn't go very far with promoting their big first party releases if that was the case; only hurt it with ugly and/or choppy streams. If it worked with ANY titles or not, it still feels deceitful for Nintendo to claim it's "not fun" when gamers clearly do enjoy them.
They won't get it because it's primarily made up of people swearing and being generally offensive while hiding behind an alias. I've watched a few things on PS4 out of curiosity to see a game that I'm interested in buying, but trying to find a decent host or audience is near impossible. It's great if you want to watch some psychotic female playing Wolfenstein and screaming, '******* die, ******* die!', while people comment that they want to lick her *****. Yeah, I bet Nintendo is really down for that...
Having said that, it's amusing to see them contradict themselves yet again, in the space of a few days. Miyamoto sits there telling us that it's going to be great for people to sit around watching someone else play Starfox Wii U, then this...
i can watch twitch through the wii u browser and ustream too. The Wii U can handle it.
As far as I know the Wii U has a dedicated chip to do stuff like the Wennrowser in the background while the game is turned on and the webbrowser is pretty fast and fluid, so it is not some bad chip. So I guess it should be capable, capturing and streaming is not that demanding as some people make it to be, I could do that with my smartphone.
Maybe Nintendo can do what Microsoft did: make the next sdk have the gamepad become completely optional the devs. The gamepad "IS" nice, but does it have to be used in every game? Gateway MT6706 2008
That is not true, and the Wii U has been proving it can handle far more than people were giving it credit for. I personally could care less about Twitch.
I have seen old PCs that can handle streaming functionalities while playing perfectly. Oh sorry, the reply was for pwnsause_returns
Streaming in HD and playing today's games on the same machine requires a stout machine. And having at least a 3MB upload.
Good point. I've streamed HD gaming from an iPod Touch 5 with only 512megs of memory before with no lagging or loss of quality. It's funny how many people on here think they know what they're talking about. I guess blind fanboyism breed ignorance if all the times I've seen people on this sight making up stuff against systems they don't like regardless of the brand, is any indication. With the right software even the PS3 and Xbox 360 could probably stream game-play in HD. The only real hurdle for live streaming on any of today's systems would be transfer bandwidth. This is usually no problem when live streaming over a local network, but to do it over the internet you need a fairly decent connection. Oh and of course decent software to do it. A lot of developers today don't seem to know how to optimize their code very well so often more power is needed than should be necessary for their software. As for the headline, I personally enjoy watching people play Super Mario Bros, Mario Kart and Smash Brothers a lot more than I enjoy watching FPS, but maybe that's just me.
@Neonridr: the Wii U isn't capable of playing a videogame AND stream from Netflix at the same time, can it? I think that's where pwnsause_returns was coming from. He doesn't think the Wii U can play a videogame and stream it to Twitch simultaneously. And, to be honest, neither do I. Would love to be wrong, though.
yeah I have no clue on that one. I'm not a hardware engineer so I couldn't say that the Wii U isn't capable to do both. That could very well be the reason they are skirting the issue. You would think the better response would be "We are not looking into Twitch functionality at this time".
I actually enjoy watching people make fools of themselfs on ps4, so funny to watch intellectually impaired morons:-)
I think you might be describing yourself there...
I agree completely, idiot people having there ps4 cameras pointed at nothing, or acting stupid. Ripsta7th you just proved his point, Ur just not on video.
* People with a Wii U will most likely be too busy ACTUALLY playing the game instead of watching games.
Yeah, thats why they created MKTV and added video sharing to Miiverse for MK8... ;)
that is the whole point of live streaming , you show the people who dont have said games/console , what it is all about and go from there.
The Wii U was not designed with this in mind and probably would struggle if they tried to implement it now. Honestly this feature isn't that appealing for most gamers and Nintendo has always been more focused on people playing or watching together in the same space anyway.
Your spot on there.
LOL WiiU cant do it because of memory restrictions.. Pure and simple..
You can still stream twitch on Wii U. I was doing it for e3
or, ya know, stream the game with your own equipment...
From a business standpoint, i think ignoring Twitch isn't too smart, but i also don't think watching raw gameplay for a long time is all that fun. It's what made the smash invitational fun was the roaring, the commentating, announcers, fan voting etcc.. it was a real even that i could watch over a stream.
I'm sorry but this is stupid.Twitch allows your games to be seen by Millions of people which could result in more sales. SMH Ninty! 1 step forward 2 steps back
Let the users decide if it's fun or not don't force your views and opinions on the consumer.
I do not use twitch, nor do I watch videos of a game or trailers, BUT all my gamer friends sit and watch it constantly. This is why nintendo is failing as a company, while twitch isn't big in japan americans love it yet nintendo has catered their whole system around their japanese ideals. They need a new CEO and some fresh foreign leadership to pump new blood into it. First step is to make a realiable, easy to use network infrastructure and payment systems, I shouldn't have to buy seperate point cards for a wii u and a 3ds.
And this is why illustrates why Nintendo struggles to move consoles. They stubbornly refuse popular features gamers want. Just because you think it isn't fun is irrelevant, Many games do.
Reggie as always just follows orders from Japan, it's obvious that he knows the power of streaming, it move consoles, while I agree this function it's kinda pointless, but it makes money, like it or not. This has to do a lot with the copyright thing I gues, so I hope Nintendo leaves the past soon.
In a perfect world Nintendo pulls a Microsoft and cans Iwata and hands the reigns to Reggie. Reggie is smart and can turn the tides around, but he can't do it without the freedom and having the power.
If Nintendo turns over Iwata's position to someone from the west, I will eat my socks. All of them.
Sony and Microsoft do what Nintendon't.
I'm not sure what to think about this. I think it might be a mistake, but then again, Nintendo IS making their own services for making clips and stuff out of Mario Kart 8, so maybe they'll do a Twitch equivalent down the road?
Nintendo tries to reinvent the wheel,news at 11.
Honestly, if you watch Twitch you probably still live at home with mommy and daddy and don't work. It's not fun to watch others play and it's time consuming for adults with lives to waste time. I'd rather actually be playing.
Tell that to the people who make their living streaming and uploading videos of games.
I hate to say it, but Nintendo is so far behind the times it's going to be hard for them to stay in the console game. I love that company, but they're ran by stubborn Japanese owners that are set in their ways and won't change anything until their console business is reduced to nothing. Reggie is a great guy and a wonderful human being that loves gaming, but there's nothing he can do to help. The guy is just Iwata and the higher ups whipping boy to North America.
I think the real reason is they dont want unecessary bandwidth being used in the nintendo network. But they are right, watching twitch is boring.
Doesn't matter if you find it boring. People like watching it. Enough people like it to the point that they should include it for their customers.
Then create an exclusive Nintendo streaming service for Miiverse.
Weren't you paying attention? That wouldn't be fun! They probably will do that one day.
That the point. If Nintendo creates their own it would be Nintendo style. That way it can be fun. That Nintendo can operate it themselves.
Not fun to watch. ? I think they are insisting that we should be playing the games instead of watching them. I think they are taking this a little to far this time, as I love Twitch.
I've never done any streaming, probably never will.
I use it all the time especially when I want to see a game that I plan on buying.
Nintendo is right, watching a stream isn't fun, regardless of the system it is on. I don't turn my systems on to watch someone else play.
They are right; watching a stream isn't fun. I don't see the fun in watching some idiot play a game as he rambles on incoherently. I don't understand the fun people see in this.... That being said, they should still add it. I know that watching idiots can be fun for some people and those people should be able to do it as much as they like. If the people want it, give it to them. There is no harm in it.
This is why Nintendo behind. They think they know what we want more than we do.
Please tell me why twitch streaming is a must have on games console? I just don't see the point in watching somone else play the game. I have Let's Plays for that and lets say that from all consoles available, only 10,000,000 people live stream, it's still too much congestion and sifting through the shite. Besides, haven't these features on PS4 and XONE been used for sex rooms and classy gentlemen undressing their sleeping wives for the other's from around the world to watch? Slightly hyperbolic sure but it's still true. Also, can't you just hook up a console to a PC and just stream it that way? It doesn't hog console resources and PC is better designed for streaming anyway. Someone, please explain why streaming in general, not twitch because its pretty clear N and Twitch are doing pretty well from one and another, is such a requirement now?
It highlights Nintendo's arrogance and lack of ability to adapt to a changing market. Streaming may not be a big thing right now but the current trend is that streaming is becoming more and more important (especially when Twitch, Microsoft and Sony make their services better and better)
@iamnusuperman Inability to adapt to a changing market? 1080p has been around for about a decade yet that's still the hot topic. Im not saying that streaming doesn't have its positives and what not but why it is important? From a gamer stand point, why is it important to me to have millions of people trying to get my attention and to watch them play a game? Im sure some are fun and have their highlights but as the comment below says; "I've seen a number of people on Twitch literally play a game of Minecraft with a facecam feed of their stoic, emotionless expression, all with nothing interesting happening on screen." Wouldn't the time and money spent on streaming integration be better spent on games development and marketing? If i want to watch people play a game, i'll watch a Let's Play. As i've said, why not just hook it up to a pc and stream it that way? Doesn't that give more control and flexibility of the stream, including its quality, the comments and the general community of that particular streamer? Im not saying streaming is a bad thing, i just don't see why it's something that's so important that time and money has to spent on it when i just want to play games.
"1080p has been around for about a decade yet that's still the hot topic" So was the DVD before it became big. But Sony and MS were prepared for the rise of streaming, Nintendo was not.
@SilentNegotiator That still doesn't answer why it's so important to me as a gamer. I buy a £70 Gelato or any other capture card and i'm set for streaming and i can use it on any other piece of hardware i choose, from any other generation i want. I'm not saying that streaming is a bad thing, far from it. What i want to know is why would it be a good idea for Nintendo to spend millions on a service that a majority of people won't use and don't use on either PS4, XONE and even the PC. Onlive has a streaming option where you can jump in and out of game streams quicker than Twitch can load, in my experiences anyway. Onlive requires a pc and the internet, to not only watch the streams but then to jump into and play the game you were just watching a stream of. Should we all jump over to Onlive now and say how everyone else is behind the times? It seems to me that it's only important when one group has it and the other doesn't. As i have asked repeatedly, why is important to me, a gamer, that Nintendo, Sony or Microsoft make streaming an integral part of its system, post-launch? Next generation, sure put it in there and build a system around it, like Onlive. Don't just shoehorn it in because i want my games machine devoted to playing games, not watching them. Otherwise we may as well just be watching a DVD.
Streaming can be awesome, but it depends entirely on who is streaming it. I've seen a number of people on Twitch literally play a game of Minecraft with a facecam feed of their stoic, emotionless expression, all with nothing interesting happening on screen. While I have an Elgato that can stream Wii U footage any time I want to, I'd also be curious how Twitch streaming would work on Wii U with the Gamepad. That's two screens worth of content to broadcast. Eh...I think Nintendo should consider it.
"I'd also be curious how Twitch streaming would work on Wii U with the Gamepad. That's two screens worth of content to broadcast" That's a great point. That added complexity is probably just another reason why Nintendo is sweeping it under the rug.
Nintendo is always late when it comes to more integration/features. It would't surprise me if they added this a decade after it has become the norm which it practically already is. ;)
Always late? Really..ALWAYS? They have never once had a feature before anyone else? Not once? lolwhat
I don't want to go into muppet mode but: D-Pad, analog controls, shoulder buttons, menu buttons (i.e, start + select), online gaming, z-targeting, rumble, actual savegames not just password systems, 4 player local multiplayer and a bevvy standards and philosophies in actual game design which are still used today. Always late? Really?
Well at least they, Nin, are honest. They're system is better off forgotten than in the forefront. Plus like another commenter said the system, souped up GC known as Wii-U, probably can't handle it anyway.
That "souped up GameCube" will be running the first Bayonetta at 1080p 60fps with dual-audio while the 360 and PS3 never achieved that(360 got close but has awful screen tearing). All that AND Bayonetta 2 is on the same disc. That doesn't sound like something to be forgotten. Just because it doesn't have twitch doesn't mean it should be tossed aside. In fact, anyone who even suggests that notion is a complete fool. twitch streaming is a bonus for consoles. Not a requirement.