Dear Media: The GPU change was developer facing. Unplugging Kinect does not get you more HP. Devs have to code to the new specs
Ok, that's makes more sense. Thanks Major :)
Wait, what???? You really believe that Xbone now without Kinect get a new 10% GPU power?????
-Well if you actually read what they said it's just a matter of the new SDK allowing them to use 10% more GPU on the dev side already there but that was not available for use, now opening it up for future games. "Yes, the additional resources allow access to up to 10 per cent additional GPU performance. We're committed to giving developers new tools and flexibility to make their Xbox One games even better by giving them the option to use the GPU reserve in whatever way is best for them and their games." "GPU reserve" means the previous SDK partitioned 10% of the GPU for future Kinect functionality/games, this will NOT affect the current the UI functionality or current Kinect games as it wasn't being used anyway, just intentionally reserved for future Kinect based future plans/games. #1If you remember prior to X1 launch micro already stated that the Kinect based GPU resources along with the OS footprint will be reduced with new SDK's, similar to 360. #2 Again yes this will give devs who want it more power but I am dissapointed that this points to them not exploring bigger more advanced kinect implementation in future games. Edit threefootwang, wth are you talking about?, it has nothing to do with whether or not yyou are using kinect. Read u got owned comment if my explanation is too much for your brain he summed it up nicely.
The GPU always had the 10%, its just that was reserved for Kinect now they freed up that 10% for developer to use however they choose to.
Lol @ 4Sh0w That means MS would have to be changing things every time someone plugs in or takes out their Kinect...think about how dumb that sounds
@4Show I believe that if a developer want to, they can reclaim it for Kinect if they choose to do so, but this really sounds like the death of Kinect for real... Polygon was the biggest offender by making it sound like people who bought the new Xbox One without Kinect were getting a more powerful system than others have gotten. Everyone gets the boost but its developer independent so you have to wait for it. Microsoft announced that the new Dev Kits go out in June... although I hope they mean new SDK... because why would you need a new Dev Kit.... but yeah. Its a small boost for ALL Xbox Ones and all improvements are appreciated.
I will just copy/paste myself from another thread. I really can't believe that some people really believe new SDK added new 10% power! NO, IT'S NOT! Well, MisterX think it is. Anyway : Microsoft FREED UP EXISTING GPU RESOURCES with new SDK's, NOT ADDED NEW ONES!!!! Total of 1.32 TFLOPS 10% were reserved for Kinect!!!! I presume that i will get a disagree votes from someone. But i really didn't said nothing wrong.
@4Sh0w so before Kinect was using 0% resources? it just doesn't add up. and how about the millions of dedicated fans who paid the high price and bought into the so called "future vision"
@threefootwang No it doesn't mean that at all. It just means that if you are playing a game that is making use of the resources that were originally reserved for Kinect then Kinect functionality won't work while you are playing the game.
Everyone please refer to imt558 post above he sums it up really nicely
@imt558 Your below explanation actually makes sense to me the most as it is a little confusing But what does you mean by freed up GPU resources in a new sdk? Was the kinect using those resources for them to be freed up or have they just been there? And what will to the resources if you connect the Kinect back @tuglu pati Ah I see, but wouldn't that render the Kinect useless to most developers as they would want to utilize any power they can get out of the Xbox?
@GameDev1 It doesn't have anything to do with plugging or unplugging the Kinect. Its just resources that were reserved for Kinect during game sections, now those resources are freed up so Developer can chose not to use kinect at all during on their games. @below No the power wont increase they are not changing the hardware. MS just freed up some bandwidth which was reserved for kinect features. Why is that do hard to understand.
So let me get this straight..... Xbone's power will increase with the power of the cloud and now it's power level will increase even more without kinect holding it back?! Freiza... Are you trying to intimidate a super saiyan (ps4)? ;-)
Anyone that thought this news meant that unplugging the Kinect was going to automatically give Xbone a performance boost should be branded with a symbol that makes it illegal for them to work in game journalism. They clearly lack the understanding of technology and research ability.
Eonjay I agree with you, although I wouldn't say it's the death of kinect micro will still show a upcoming kinect based game at E3 to save face but it definitely signals a lack of pushing further advancements in kinect games (that's why 10% was reserved, to be exploited later). Kinect is still awesome with the UI integration but truth told I'm sad it seems micro won't be pushing deeper kinect integration, graphics are great but I like new ideas and new ways to immerse myself in games too. newmonday of course kinect always uses a small fraction of system resources for things like the UI but that has nothing to do with reserved allocations on the game side put in place for devs to do deeper coding for kinect integration or full kinect based games.
@imt558, threefootwang, NewMonday, tuglu_pati You guys obviously don't understand what was said. He was simply letting people know that unplugging the Kinect would not change the games you already have by 10%. Which is a pretty idiotic thing to think to begin with. The games currently available have been coded to allow 10% for the Kinect. But games going forward can be coded either to reserve the 10% for Kinect, or use the 10% to boost the GPU.
10% of more crap is still crap guys,
Another PR disaster courtesy of M$... But this time Microsoft's funded websites jumped the gun Now prove how Eurogamer and Polygon are Microsoft's reputation management website. Jumping the gun on false information trying very very hard to get a scoop. And they got a very big scoop of crap! LOL! I told you people Xbox One will never recover from the PR mess the house that built the Xbox brand makes every time they open their mouth. You have to go to the root cause of all these disasters.
It's super easy to understand. 10% of the GPU was reserved for Kinect for developers to use. Now the Microsoft has removed the reserve for the kinect, developers with the new SDK will be able to take advantage of that 10%. Kinect development will go back to what it was with the 360. It will now to be up to developers to decide what percentage of the GPU will be used for kinect, instead of having 10% available and only using 2%. I dont think this is a PR blunder, it's fairly straight foward. Kinect 2.0 is now going to be an accessory like Kinect 1.0 was, instead of being part of the console.
@Gozer i dont know where you arw getting that. I understood that from the beggining.
I totally read it as hit points, lel
yeah but 10% isnt that much it may help a little. this was already on the xbox but both companies will continue to upgrade thing in their cnsoles. so there will be more further upgrades but not hardware upgrades of course
If I understand it. It's like you have 10 apples but they used to force you to donate 1 of the 10 to charity (kinect being charity) but now they're allowing you to keep it if you want. So games up to a point already gave away their apple but newer games might keep all 10.
Does this make the kinect useless when you use game which takes advantage of the 10%?
Some people needed the clarification for sure. If only MS had never included the Kinect and concentrated on giving the Xbox One more power for the devs....
The thing most people dont understand is that 10% of the 1.3 tflops gpu was reserved of the kinect. so its not getting more power but used in a different way..
Exactly! Now the full 1.3 tflops are able to be utilized by developers, before freeing up the 10% only 1.18 tflops was available.
Technically nope. Ihe console still won't use the 1.3tflops. Even without kinect, the console still has two OS to managed.
okay, now i understand.
who thought that? lol
Sad he had to clarify. People that spun all of those poorly written articles was just sad.
I knew it didn't work like that, but why wasn't this already the case when the Kinect became not mandatory for the system to work.
Because it takes time to re write the SDK.
And the usual culprits stirring the pot in the comments section on here was just as sad. This is getting really sad and pathetic now.
@Septic Do you enjoy visiting articles (over, and over again) just to find 'Pots' and comment about the 'usual culprits' stirring them? If anything is sad and pathetic, it's someone who trawls through the very articles/comment sections they purport to loathe.
Its not the article sections I loathe as much as the 'gamers' who infest the comments section. Whats your point though culprit?
For some reason fanboys always demand that Microsoft clarify their statements, or show evidence for everything they claim.
You don't have to be a fanboy if you're demanding clarification of statements made by a company that hasn't been on the up and up to begin with! For further clarification just look at the trail of messes they've made for themselves this past year. You'd be a fool not to question things at this point.
That's because they talk so much bs, you can't believe anything coming from MS, they say one thing and then change their minds
@hugo You are right. Just take a look at stuna above.most of his comments in every xbox article are always downplaying and accusing Ms of one thing or the other @stuna its no surprise you are here again and the first to reply Hugo. You hate the system but you and others like you are always in evry xbx thread,this article is a clarification being made out to all xbx one owners and those who plan to get it. Do you own one or plan to? Cos the way you keep talking trash abt MS I don't think you will ever own the console and if that's true,what you doing here? How does the 10% increase affect you? @hellsvacancy Talk BS?lol,I think you guys need to give it a rest.Its funny cos it seems anything which tends to help make the xbx one a better console is automatically labelled BS by you guys i.e Dx 12, 10% gpu, cloud = BS? Why is that so? You guys really need to spend more time worrying about other things than following MS with pitchforks 24/7. Let those actually interested in the console worry about the BS. Imo and that of most xbx fans, the new team is doing a terrific job.if MS has found a way to give devs more gpu hp then it is highly welcome and something xbx owners should be happy about. How can this be so difficult to understand?and most of you are quick to spin it into something bad.
@Christocolus Yes it ia BS, Microsoft has made more that enough lies to your face and you just accept it. Just think of Microsoft as your StockBroker promiaing you all this stuff only to not deliver and the opposite thing happens. DRM can't be removed its not like flipping a switch, BAM gone Kinect can't be turned off its built into the UI, BAM gone Kinect is integral part of the system, we wouldn't remove it we want a unified system for developers, BAM gone The they give you false hope which you eat up on and they still haven't delivered The Cloud will give the xbox one processing power of three sun!!! Still haven't seen its relivance Kinect Processing power will make new games up to 10 percent better, up to...which you can never really disprove this statement and if a game still allows you to snap you probably won't get more than like 4 percent if that. Dx12...O man they just like saying things to give people hope, the xbox one already does most of what dx12 does, they know people like you will eat it up just like the cloud until you wake up its 2020 and you realize....the cloud is a lie!!! Noooo
@LordDhampire You have no knowledge of the networking industry do you? The cloud is very real, and so is cloud compute. The technology is in it's infancy so it will take a while before the infrastructure is in place and servers are optimized. You saying cloud-compute isn't real or going anywhere is like someone saying the same thing about the internet in the 80s.
@Markusthe cloud isn't some magical thing, the cloud is just data stored on a network vs locally, literally almost everything uses the cloud these days. Its just no one else trys to usecit as a marketing tactic like microsoft to the masses who have no clue what anything is.
@LordDhampire Fair enough, I can definitely agree that Microsoft talked about its use like it was something easily deployed and currently feasible. I just got annoyed by all the statements making fun of cloud compute when it is possible and will get better with infrastructure upgrades and server hardware/software advancements.
Good, the misinfo and FUD is appalling.
Can XBOX's new Slogan be the following "Better Without Kinect"
Lol, Game Journalists are like kindergarteners, have to explain every little thing to them. And even then most of them don't get it.
That's because most of them are heat seekers and really care nothing about getting the truth out.
Paging Polygon.... Although it's not surprising seeing the misinformation around when you make a developer related news via twitter to the public without in depth explanation because of the constraints of twitter.
I still cant believe how this was flipped by some people lol. Did you guys really think that you would need to unplug your Kinect to get the power? lol, that is beyond me to even think that some of you thought that the new X1 bundle without kinect would be stronger...
Lolwut? People actually believed that their X1 gets a 10% power boost by unplugging the Kinect? That's just bonkerz.
...errr, why would it give you more HP, it is not a healing spell? I guess I am not sure what "HP" means in this instance, so I am reverting back to my 80's D&D days.
I think he means HorsePower... ... have no idea what horses have to do with the equation though...
HAHA i was thinking the same thing!
It's funny that anyone thinks 10% more power will a) be used by devs - as it'll need to be additionally coded for kinect users. b) that it's anything but PR move to foster good will.
um what? when has extra power ever been a bad thing? Im so confused when people say these things lol.
Well the 10 percent power can be used in a new SDK simply. am not just fully sure how they will separate it from the Kinect usage power
OKAY! The Kinect functionality, Snapping, Video chat through skype, voice commands will still always work. In a game built with the new SDK, the developers have access to 10% of the GPU's power which was earlier set aside for FUTURE updates to the Kinect. They ran into this problem with the 360 where they wanted to build something bigger in the tiny footprint allowed by the 360. When it originally launched they had no intention for the console to do the tasks it does today. Instead the only real Kinect upgrades we'll see will be from games where the developers have a reason to give the Kinect more juice. Developers looking to develop games without Kinect functionality or major Kinect functionality will be free to use the extra horsepower however they choose. This is really flipping simple here guys.
Of cause you need code to use the extra 10%. It'll be interesting to see it being used and how close MP games get
It don't think it will put MP XBO games on par with MP PS4 games. But sure it will help, more power for dev means better games. There is no way to spin that up.
Yeah that's true you'll always get a better experience on PS4.
the fact that he had to explain this is just stupid, and i know the gaming media outlets are sensible enough to know what it actually meant but they had to spin it to make it into a really good story for clicks
Thank you, is it clear now?
It amazes me that media outlets would some how NOT understand this simple premise. This is such a sad statement on the state of our gaming/tech journalism.
See my comment below. Microsoft take great advantage of Media outlets and their mis-informtion. Wouldnt be surprised if it stems from MS themselves. They've done it before!
Come on dude, take off the tinfoil hat. Nothing about MS's messaging around this has been put forward in a way of trying to take advantage of the Media. This is them publicly stating to the world that they are not the ones going around saying unplugging kinect free's up power. I have no doubts after some of the quick articles that went up that MS CSR phone lines got hit with countless people asking how they unlocked the GPU by unplugging it. And lets be clear, the "press" manipulate statements from companies all the time to meet their own agendas of site traffic.
lol @ tinfoil hat. Fair call. I'm a marketing analyst by profession. Although it is very true what you say: "And lets be clear, the "press" manipulate statements from companies all the time to meet their own agendas of site traffic." Very true. However, it also works the opposite. Media manipulation by companies to broadcast their own agenda's. I see it all the time. And Microsoft sure know this. It's a form a free, inaccurate advertising. I have seen them do it many times. May not be noticed by the untrained eye. Its my job to keeop a look out for these kinds of tactics. Now I could be wrong. But i doubt it.
dude this wouldnt benefit ms the way the media has spun it, how would it benefit ms if xbone with kinect is weaker than xbone without kinect? then early adopters would have thought they got screwed.I expect to see a handful of opinion pieces on here in the next little while saying that xbone with kinect is not as powerful as xbone without kinect
Aragon, yeah that kinda makes sense too. Just seems MS are really clutching at straws this Gen. they had their fun last Gen. Now step aside for the Sony monster.
lol, no maybe before but not this time. This is the worst kind of information to have bouncing around the internet. I do have one question though, if Microsoft are such masters of the media and can manipulate things oh so easily. Why on earth do friends and colleagues still come and ask me about the Xbox One's online requirement or the ability to trade in games? Seems like that's something Microsoft and their Illuminati friends would want to clear up.